Team Managers about to get demoted-lose pay!

[Davethebave]

Not to mention the fact that a lot of negative feeling is out of managers control and directly down to tesco.

I can see voluntary redundancy being offered to everyone

[Sizzle1968]

I was told that  dot  com managers were too hard to recruit & retain, so we weren't put into the mix......shame.

[Baby it’s cold outside]

How can they mark on 2 years reviews which include Covid?

[Sherwoodforest]

@davethebave you keep telling yourself that.

@babyitscoldoutside why not?  what has covid got to do with anything?  it would be same for every manager surely.

[londoner83]

I doubt they will offer voluntary redundancy to everyone. There are areas of the country with high labour turnover that are probably at or extremely close to the new structure.

As a business why would you want to let experienced people go with redundancy payments then potentially have to recruit new inexpierenced managers in one area whilst paying to lose others in different areas.

[Mrbline]

There will be no voluntary redundancy, because old schools will take it with no issies

[5fdp]

Because of covid some mgrs would have been sent home and had to isolate, twice. Leaving the remaining mgrs to deliver the store under extremely difficult absence conditions.  The year end reviews the covid mgrs got mets regardless of performance.  Hence this would be unfair to mgrs who stayed to manage the store.

[Nightworker]

Because of covid some mgrs would have been sent home and had to isolate, twice. Leaving the remaining mgrs to deliver the store under extremely difficult absence conditions.  The year end reviews the covid mgrs got mets regardless of performance.  Hence this would be unfair to mgrs who stayed to manage the store.

After reading through all the comments on here and everyone's perspective of what the criteria may be and what is fair and just for selecting a team manager to an available roll. If Tesco and Usdaw meetings are having similar discussions and coming up with similar outcome as the good people of verylittlehelps then I believe there can only be one solution to selection and that is to ;-
Offer voluntary redundancy

[NorthbyNorthwest]

Offering voluntary redundancy would be a good solution to the issue. There are people out there who have bought new houses, had kids etc, etc that do need the stability of the line managers job. And there are those of us who just want to go. The company would probably find that it evens out as they intend.
But of course, what makes sense to us means that the company and the union will not find that viable.

[Danman]

Just out of interest, do the chosen team managers maintain their current wage, or is there a new wage structure for this role?

[NorthbyNorthwest]

I would think that as team managers ( along with leads ) didn't get a pay increase when everyone else did late last year then they should. Of course we're flying blind at the moment, so who knows? New job title, new pay structure? Or ( as I'd expect), new job title, remain on this pay structure.

[Davethebave]

There is no increase to pay for any remaining managers. Just the usual review based pay rise

[whatajoke2019]

Role packs are back online - couldn't see any real differences myself.

[Sherwoodforest]

Aernt the shift leaders going to take some of the pressure off managers with new structure?

[Morris999]

Yes and no, if you get good shift leaders then that helps a lot, if they are not very good or still training then it makes it worse!
It will also depend on the Team managers too, frontend managers should find it easier due to having a lot of the pressure taken off them with a lower headcount etc, yet the others who will have picked up head counts could struggle with it.
I'd recommend everyone read the role packs and then stick to them!
A lot of people's concerns on here are stemming from not knowing the role packs and thinking there role will be exactly the same as before with more departments, that's not the case, the role packs are all online, read them it's in your interests!

[madness]

Re this equal headcount thing.

Checkouts and dot com pickers are easy to manage. Don't steel and turn up for your shifts. pretty much done for checkouts. Picking turn up for your shift and hit minimum pick rate done.
Also both are very very easy to pick up and get up to speed fast ie easy to cover.
Can't just throw Agnes from checkouts onto stock control witha couple of hours training.

So more technical departments like stock control, wages etc should have a lesser headcount.

[Sherwoodforest]

@madness whys that?does it matter if everyone is doing their job properly,stock control count something out,its dept shrink,waste,no accountability,they miss a low line,gap scan its dot com,dept problem for availability,no accountability,most over rated,under performing  dept in  most tescos I've worked in

[King1999]

It one of the most s*** on departments that's for sure.

[lucgeo]

@madness whys that?does it matter if everyone is doing their job properly,stock control count something out,its dept shrink,waste,no accountability,they miss a low line,gap scan its dot com,dept problem for availability,no accountability,most over rated,under performing  dept in  most tescos I've worked in

Oooo sharp intake of breath here..." if everyone is doing their job properly" what part of the stock control routines do you think R'Agnes off checkouts is proficient in??

The SC team would often be called to support checkouts, but never had that support reciprocated to help fulfil their routines as "no one knows what to do!!"

Admittedly the stock control routines have been in demise over the last few years, but to assume it's just a gap scan routine with no accountability is seriously creaming over the top!

I worked on various departments whilst a Tesco employee, and was trained in depth in every one ( as was the way in those days ) but when I ended up on stock control, due to dept redundancy, I can honestly say it was the most complex dept I'd ever encountered. Eight years in the job and I still only understood three quarters of it??? The older long serving members, were a constant source of knowledge, they knew routines that even the senior managers were oblivious to! One GSM we had, would often tell the newer managers to listen and learn from them!

[forrestgimp]

You make it sound like some kind of specialist appointment, If that were true no one would be doing it because the money is not there to pay people who could do it.

I get from what you write that you dont work for tesco anymore and as such have only memories to fall back on when routines change on a weekly basis, So what you remember is probably not happening anymore.

[King1999]

Let's face it none of the  jobs are that special or interesting anymore at tosco and its all their doing,they keep using the word skill what a joke, they systematically destroyed all of them all to justify a s*** contract they told usdaw to agree to.

[lackofinterest]

  @king

[Sherwoodforest]

@lucgeo my last store forum comments"why havent i seen an overstock label on my aisle in 3 months,why are gaps missed on gap scan,why when i come back after my days off is stuff scanned out but sat on capping shelf,can i be trained up to do my own"and yes i can do my own overstocks now,and agnes on tills,if her tills short a tenner ,she,l  be in a meeting,cant ever remember a stock controller being in one for counting stuff out thats there

[stockcontroller]

The reason for that is that it can be counted back in or vice versa.

Prime example is someone doing bakery backstock count in my store and putting everything through as cases instead of singles. Resulted in £1.4 million of stock being counted into the bakery one day and £1.4 million out the next day. Bakery manager was the one who did it because none of the stock control guys had any time to do it and that was the result.

[Sherwoodforest]

@stockcontroller oh thats ok then,lets (a) pay someone to do the job twice (b)if you count it out first,then in,let someone else waste productivity racking it away or trawling through backstock till its sold (c) if its fresh stock lets blame someone else for high waste its never stock controls fault