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Paying Overtime

Started by trivi, 01-09-22, 12:36PM

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trivi

I'm twisting in an express and I'm learning wages while here. the shift leader training me on wages pays her own overtime and for any breaks she doesn't take cause of low staff. Is this right because it doesn't feel okay to me and that she should be asking someone else to do it

Bobmay

If she doesn't take breaks than she should be paid for it. As does overtime if she is also being done she should also be paid for it. There nothing wrong in that.The problem while be if she was telling you to pay her for overtime if she wasn't doing it

trivi

So it's okay for her to pay them herself without someone overseeing it?

Sherwoodforest

I assume express similar to extra,your shifts are in the system,then anything you clock over your system  hours has to be authorised as overtime,which is fine if youve worked them hours,as for breaks the company has obligation to give you legal requirement for length of shift,if there saying they didnt have a break for a whole shift,that dont sound right

lucgeo

No it's not ok! The T/L should be getting it authorised from their manager. Very similar situation happened at my store, the T/L resigned during the investigation, think it was heading down the gross misconduct route  ???
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Littleredone

So as a SM in Express the official guidance is 'if it was reasonable that you could have taken your break then you wouldn't be paid. If there was no choice, as in 1 on 1 or physically unable then yes you are justified to be paid. In my experience it depends on the SM of your shop. I' ve always been straight up with it, my S/L understand the process and policy fully as I never wanted to be in a position of denying one of them pay they were entitled to. However, I would state it the SL's responsibility to take their break where possible.

barafear

Think everyone seems to be missing the OP's point - unless of course I'm completely misunderstanding it!
He/she seems to be saying that the Wages Clerk is "updating the wages system to pay themselves "overtime" for extra hours or untaken breaks" - seemingly without any sort of manager "signing it off" - clearly if that is the case, then I would say it's wrong - what's to stop the person just adding in 100 hours a month? When could it ever be found? Clearly, someone who has the "power" to update/manipulate the wages system has be to supervised/audited regularly? I think Lucego understood the point!

Sherwoodforest

I thought store manager still had to sign wages off at the end of week anyway,

Redone1

Express shift leader here. If am unable to leave the store for my break. I make sure am paid for it. Regardless how many staff are in.

Bobmay

Quote from: Littleredone on 01-09-22, 03:59PMSo as a SM in Express the official guidance is 'if it was reasonable that you could have taken your break then you wouldn't be paid. If there was no choice, as in 1 on 1 or physically unable then yes you are justified to be paid. In my experience it depends on the SM of your shop. I' ve always been straight up with it, my S/L understand the process and policy fully as I never wanted to be in a position of denying one of them pay they were entitled to. However, I would state it the SL's responsibility to take their break where possible.

Express store are extremly understaffed so it isnt shocking she has to miss break.

trivi

#10
Yes it is the paying herself I was querying she does end of week herself and store manager just signs it from what I have seen.  I know the policy around paid breaks but I don't think it is right she's putting the payment through herself.

Redone1

Jeez, What difference is it, If she does it or the store manager, The outcome is the same. Can't take break = she gets paid for them. The only issue, Is if she putting more through then she should be doing, That's the only issue here. Clearly the store manager is happy for her to do the wages for the store. In express you have to think of the shift leaders as more as the duty for the store. As they run 95% of the shifts

penguin

Shift leader can pay her own paid breaks and any overtime agreed with the store manager, SM should then sign off the wages reports weekly, as long as shift leader is not overpaying herself deliberately then nothing wrong here.
Do not let anyone tell you there is not a decent job and life beyond Tesco.

0olg222

Whats the cut off date for pay? Is it a week before

whatajoke2019

It depends on when your wages are 'signed off' in store.

Understand it to be either Thursday, Friday, Saturday or Sunday in the week before pay day.

Our store is a Thursday.

Redshoes

#15
It depends on if you are a work&pay store or not

For sites that have moved to the 'Work & Pay' payroll system, the cut off for making permanent changes and paying overtime is 5pm on the Saturday, 6 days before payday.

There is a trial beginning on Sunday 15th August where payroll sign-off should be actioned before Sunday 12pm. If at your location the Payroll is signed off on either a Friday or Saturday, overtime worked on or after these days will not be paid in this pay period but will be paid in the next. Please check with your wage/admin clerk (in stores) to confirm the day that payroll is signed off at your location.

Where the payroll is signed off before 12pm on Sunday (the week before payday) all overtime worked up until that time will be processed and paid on the following payday Friday.

overworkedexpresslad

Quote from: Littleredone on 01-09-22, 03:59PMSo as a SM in Express the official guidance is 'if it was reasonable that you could have taken your break then you wouldn't be paid. If there was no choice, as in 1 on 1 or physically unable then yes you are justified to be paid. In my experience it depends on the SM of your shop. I' ve always been straight up with it, my S/L understand the process and policy fully as I never wanted to be in a position of denying one of them pay they were entitled to. However, I would state it the SL's responsibility to take their break where possible.

It's  only going to get worse. I work in express as a shift leader and its a joke. no staff and now even more jobs given so no extra staff. if i dont get my breaks to right im claiming for them. why should we give tesco free time.

lackofinterest

#17
I thought it was Tesco policy that you MUST have a break after 4 hours.  Everybody is entitled to their breaks. Leave the premises if you have to.  Sod em!!


Preacherpauly

If the store manager is signing off on them at the end of the week then I see no problem.

person7

Quote from: lackofinterest on 09-09-22, 11:09PMI thought it was Tesco policy that you MUST have a break after 4 hours.  Everybody is entitled to their breaks. Leave the premises if you have to.  Sod em!!



thats what i thought? i once offered to "work" through my break once as it was only 15 minutes as i was only in for 4 hours overtime - manager said "no you HAVE to take it or we have legal issues. legally not allowed to let you not have a break so wont get paid anyway"

heck other day a new girl on tills said she will work through her break because .... we are a superstore with ONE TILL staff on sundays! ,, Busiest day and ONE STAFF (hence why 3 of us couldnt do our departments because we kept being called over and over and over and over and over to cover the 100s people in the queues)

store manager had to throw her off for her 30 minute break to "avoid being sued" - and naturally customers complained as no tills were open for the 30 mins as the store manager "wasnt trained to use the tills" and no other managers in except one already manning the cusetomer service desk due to lack of staff. like...wtf

Sherwoodforest

#20
This is break policy from government website, maybe manager should read up on it, could of paid the colleague for the break instead of creating carnage, Rest breaks at work
Workers have the right to one uninterrupted 20 minute rest break during their working day, if they work more than 6 hours a day. This could be a tea or lunch break.

The break doesn't have to be paid - it depends on their employment contract

BasketMaster

Quote from: trivi on 01-09-22, 12:36PMI'm twisting in an express and I'm learning wages while here. the shift leader training me on wages pays her own overtime and for any breaks she doesn't take cause of low staff. Is this right because it doesn't feel okay to me and that she should be asking someone else to do it

To answer your core question, yes someone should be standing over any changes the SL makes to her own scheduling. In my store, we have a separate folder for any exceptions, long term or short term changes that are made to the wage clerks shift pattern. That's not policy but it keeps everything above board.

That said, if the manager is signing off payroll and resource, he should be aware if the SL is doing something they shouldn't be.

Tinkerbell1234

#22
Can I ask how much step up is, as she's paying herself 4hrs overtime is this right.

penguin

Was an extra £1 per hour on top of the CA rate when I work in express several years ago.
Do not let anyone tell you there is not a decent job and life beyond Tesco.

lucgeo

Quote from: Tinkerbell1234 on 07-10-22, 09:00PMCan I ask how much step up is, as she's paying herself 4hrs overtime is this right.

You're obviously uncomfortable with the situation, but at the same time your there to train. Adhere to your own moral compass and don't get roped into any bad practice! Just leave her to bury herself, the buck stops with the manager!
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