Just seen the news on Jack's closing. Also more job loses. Not nice anyone losing their job. Good luck to everyone effected.
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Not surprised, Jacks was a flop from the start and a laughable attempt from Tesco to try and compete with Aldi/Lidl because their greed cannot stand to see somebody doing miles better than they are. Couldn't care less about Tesco - but I do wish everybody who's job is at risk my best wishes. Hopefully people can be moved into other stores or roles. This is yet another shameless greedy move from Tesco to try and squeeze every penny (not that they're short of it anyway).
After reading the artical in the news about store closures and whatnot my store yesterday announced that night shift will be going at some point and twilight fill will be coming back. Seems ironic that bomb was dropped at more or less the same time!!
So how long have you had nights for? If you are going back to twilight? Are you a busy store? City centre?
I'm one of the affected. I've done the twilight shift as overtime and I can tell you that in our shop it won't work. I'll spend more time dodging in-between customers and answering their questions resulting in less stock on the shelves. Our morning shift will be affected too as I usually do the bake ready for opening as well as taking in all the deliveries. In short I'll be working less but the pressure will be on the early shift who are sometimes one on one for the first 2 hrs
Do we have a list of stores going twilight?
Sad to see anyone losing their jobs but why is anyone surprised by this - it's just the latest thinking in retail as determined by some Muppet in HO. We've been here before, Nightshift, to twilight, to morning fill and back again all because said Muppet thinks they know better, while forgetting it's people's lives they are playing with. In reality Head Office are just making an awful shopping experience even worse.
Quote from: blablabla on 01-02-22, 01:20PM
Do we have a list of stores going twilight?
Don't know about the big stores but I have been told all express stores will lose the night-shift, which is ridiculous as there's a reason why there's one to start off with. Still in my honest opinion HO is clueless most are ignorant about what happens at ground level.
I'm rather hoping that there will be such a customer backlash that they will, for once, have to actually LISTEN to their customers. and have a rethink about getting rid of nightshift.
Quote from: Dkdiablo on 01-02-22, 01:04PM
I'm one of the affected. I've done the twilight shift as overtime and I can tell you that in our shop it won't work. I'll spend more time dodging in-between customers and answering their questions resulting in less stock on the shelves. Our morning shift will be affected too as I usually do the bake ready for opening as well as taking in all the deliveries. In short I'll be working less but the pressure will be on the early shift who are sometimes one on one for the first 2 hrs
Does this suggest that colleagues in the shops effected have already been told about the switch to twilight fill?
Nothing was said to us before or during our night shift last night.
Quote from: Dkdiablo on 01-02-22, 01:33PM
Quote from: blablabla on 01-02-22, 01:20PM
Do we have a list of stores going twilight?
Don't know about the big stores but I have been told all express stores will lose the night-shift, which is ridiculous as there's a reason why there's one to start off with. Still in my honest opinion HO is clueless most are ignorant about what happens at ground level.
Can you tell us what level you heard all express night shift are going? Is that going to be all of themin this wave. Any info would be great
Even large Extra stores could be filled during the day. This puts colleagues on the shop floor to assist customers, stops some theft and would mean the company wouldn't have to pay some of the most costly managers especially the lead managers and the TMs on 55k everyone talks of nowadays. (-*-)
Tesla we've heard it all before, unfortunately that's the view from the accountants office. The reality is something rather different as customers don't like it anymore than colleagues and even less gets done.
We where told last night that our night shift are going by the store manager ends sometime in April..we are tesco xtra .. we were all quite shocked 😲 as there had been nothing mentioned about it at all ..redundancy here I come .. will not be doing twilight's
We were told last night our store will be going on twilight end April beginning May all shocked didnt expected it.
Do you guys have dot com?
Quote from: tescopleb on 01-02-22, 03:23PM
Tesla we've heard it all before, unfortunately that's the view from the accountants office. The reality is something rather different as customers don't like it anymore than colleagues and even less gets done.
It's about profit not customers/colleague. You don't need to fill as fast when you strip out the management budget for starters...
Quote from: tescopleb on 01-02-22, 01:45PM
I'm rather hoping that there will be such a customer backlash that they will, for once, have to actually LISTEN to their customers. and have a rethink about getting rid of nightshift.
Will make no difference, plenty of backlash over the years, think counters being removed from some stores in the past, 24 hour going, changes to checkouts back in the day (anyone else remember the days of checkout staff sat on a till waiting for a customer, no one in front etc back then) even the smaller things, we had one bloke who kicked off when all the rules on staff dress code changed in about 2017 and people could for example turn up for work with green hair etc, and did anything come from any backlash, nope nothing plans went ahead as per head office wishes.
please, please, please stop shopping at tosco. vote with your feet it's the best way to treat the greedy s*** at the top >:( >:( >:( >:D
Obviously feel for anyone on night shift who doesn't actually want redundancy BUT it's gonna be hilarious in my store (extra) if they get rid of nightshift.
Gonna be some right mess when staff get in for the morning shifts. Or when the pickers need all of the stock to be on the shelves...
On the other hand, at least the day staff might get an easier ride with a bit more help instead of being expected to fill stock, do Dotcom and go on checkouts all in one shift. They can share all of the hassle from customers also.
my store has no-one on grocery until 11am,and no backdoorman until 10am,if nights go,I wonder if the people who were moved to these later shifts due to business needs,will be asked to change back to the 5am starts!
Quote from: BarryZola on 01-02-22, 04:37PM
Obviously feel for anyone on night shift who doesn't actually want redundancy BUT it's gonna be hilarious in my store (extra) if they get rid of nightshift.
Gonna be some right mess when staff get in for the morning shifts. Or when the pickers need all of the stock to be on the shelves...
On the other hand, at least the day staff might get an easier ride with a bit more help instead of being expected to fill stock, do Dotcom and go on checkouts all in one shift. They can share all of the hassle from customers also.
The pickers will be picking the nose soon this jobs getting automated.
"The pickers will be picking the nose soon this jobs getting automated".
Most probably, but it'll take them several years yet to roll out that infrastructure. Then they'll still need staff in those centres to make sure everything runs smoothly etc. It's not going to happen overnight.
They only staff will be a techno king engineer not a £10 monkey.
Any of your stores affected have .com? .com what saved us a few years back but reading the article night shift is going completely.
Just wondered if the stores losing the night shift have PI and Merchandisers there overnight and if they are going to?
It will just get done in the day too, can't see only certain things being kept on night while filling goes etc, it's all or nothing.
I don't know what the hours for merchandising would be but in terms of PI you'd have colleagues in until close of store to complete the first wave of labels then someone in again around 5am to complete the second batch.
We've been twilight for a good few years, pi yep split and the hours they get cut massively, we went from 145 down to 60, it's tight! Have to use the stock controllers to work an hour over to help the big changes.
Merchandisers are interesting as ideal base has it in the evening when grocery are trying to fill, so we flipped it to morning 6-12 works much better, just ask twilight not to fill certain areas before merch, it's a tad gappy for a few hours but we bring a grocery colleague in 12-7 to replen these areas as needed after merch.
Trollyboy does your store have a dot com and how does that work when there picking in the morning is there much hassle?
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Quote from: Dkdiablo on 01-02-22, 01:33PM
Quote from: blablabla on 01-02-22, 01:20PM
Do we have a list of stores going twilight?
Don't know about the big stores but I have been told all express stores will lose the night-shift, which is ridiculous as there's a reason why there's one to start off with. Still in my honest opinion HO is clueless most are ignorant about what happens at ground level.
Can you tell us what level you heard all express night shift are going? Is that going to be all of themin this wave. Any info would be great
Heard his from my manager as soon as he came off his 2 conference calls. He wasn't at all happy about losing his night team. He is a great manager and always has his teams back. As for moving us to twilight it was his strategy, even if it means that he loses staff through non replacement of leaving staff.
We are a large Extra with busy dot.com, night team staying , beers, wines and spirits going to twilight fill. ( 6.00 to 12.00 )
Has anything been said about the senior team who lost the job roles but didn't get made redundant? They have sat in our Store all year doing nothing & get paid a fortune for turning up ? What's gonna happen with these managers using up all this extra resource??
I'm in a large store, and we're losing our night shift. The general view is that twilight won't work for a number of reasons. Not least because night shift was already understaffed and more than a few of them have already said they will take redundancy.
On top of that, it will lead to serious congestion in the aisles, less room in the warehouses - because deliveries will arrive earlier - and less availability for dot comedy.
Classic head office: they never saw a problem they couldn't make worse. 8-)
Have the stores losing nights already been informed we have not been told a thing
Our night shift team was told Monday, I think.
With us they only told us about the changes after we asked about what we read in the news . Secretive as always and trying their best to keep the staff in the dark . But BWS is moving to twilight fill the rest will learn as we go along . People already looking for other jobs willing to take redundancy. They are getting rid of old contracts looking only for flexi. Good luck if you are staying it's only going to get better as they try to keep up with competition . Where our SM is doing his weekley shop in Lidl and most of managment goes to either Aldi or Lidl . Found them shopping in there personaly and confirmed unofficialy of course that tesco branded products are horible and wouldn't shop fresh /frozen knowing they sit out of the controlled temperatures for hours .
How many stores still have night shift after the last batch losing nights and how many will be left after this one not many I suspect
Quote from: Amon24 on 02-02-22, 04:39AM
Trollyboy does your store have a dot com and how does that work when there picking in the morning is there much hassle?
We don't have dot com, we are a med sized superstore.
Yes we have dot com
we are a superstore taking 750k with busy.com,we are losing w&s to days from nights,but keeping our night team and our fish/meat counters are staying.It seem the w&s to days/twilight must be a national rollout,where the other changes seem store specific
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That's the same with my store. Keeping deli and bws going to a twilight fill.
Large stores have a keyholder on Christmas Day and New Years Day. These managers are the first point of contact if an alarm goes off and the police are summoned. They will now need to appoint a keyholder every evening. Because you can bet the local bad lads will see the opportunity of a store filled with valuable goods being left completely empty for several hours every night.
We are a superstore format taking just under a million per week (with no Dotcom in our store) The store is old dirty and needs knocking down. They announced Monday night that our night team were moving to twilights. We have about 10 staff who have been there 10 plus years and they are anticipating them all taking redundancy. The ones left have been in the business less than a year. For the past 6 months nights have regularly left 30 plus cages which days have had to fill. The store is manic most days with elderly in the day and younger customer early evening, I can't see the customers liking these cages on the floor even if there located correctly. It's sad the decline in the last 7 years if I was given the chance I'd take the money and run.
Quote from: VladPutin on 02-02-22, 10:26PM
Large stores have a keyholder on Christmas Day and New Years Day. These managers are the first point of contact if an alarm goes off and the police are summoned. They will now need to appoint a keyholder every evening. Because you can bet the local bad lads will see the opportunity of a store filled with valuable goods being left completely empty for several hours every night.
That will 100% happen. 3 superstores near me. All went twilight a few years ago. All 3 were robbed in the same night :D
Are stores that are loosing the nightshift going to twilight fill. Are you getting the option to either take redundancy or change to twilight?
Potofgold what else would they do
Just they could say it's twilight shift or nothing! They might not offer redundancy?
Can any one tell me will we only get statuary redundancy pay
Try the redundancy calculator on vlh homepage
Nikki have you been told you can take redundancy?
Pay day
we are a non dot com extra. keeping nightshift except bws. no job losses
Is there a list of the stores moving to twilight? Can't be many night shifts left now.
We are losing half of our main bank tills shortly to have more self serve till installed so that'll mean less cashiers needed. I can imagine they'll all be card only as well so hours will be lost in the cash office as well.
The last store I worked in is having a load of main bank tills removed and more self service fitted, one of the staff still working there posted a rant about it all on facebook the other day ,a bit ill advised to post that sort of thing on his social media I just hope nobody reports him for it as we all know Tesco take a dim view of that kind of thing.
Oh i remember when my store lost nights, I think the bosses thought everyone would jump to twilight fill. They got a shock when all but 3 of them took redundancy and left. They all got a good payout as well. It's been a mess ever since.
Just read that Tesco is expecting year end profit is going to be a modest £2.6 billion. Obviously it's not enough.
£2.6 billion is only around 4%... not exactly stellar performance
£2.6 billion more than they deserve!!
Is the value of the stock the nightshift would have put on the shelf across stores until they had the great idea to scrap night work. >:D
No zombie shift means deliveries early morning rather than late evening. With all the carnage on the shop floor that entails. Aisles can be congested enough with three or four dot comedy trollies getting in everyone's way. Now imagine GA's trying to work and post sort a full wagon's worth on top of that. The stores will look like excrement and the availability - not just for dot comedy but for real customers - will crash and burn.
Still, that's head office for you.
vlad, they'd probably miss >:D
Will distribution cope with having loads more day only delivery stores? There is far less traffic thru the night so deliveries are seldom delayed...good luck putting hundreds of extra trucks on our crowded motorways in daylight and expecting deliveries to take similar times.
We have been told our store is to small to go from nights to day fill , this I find hard to believe as over the last 6 months huge amounts of stock have been left unworked some nights as deliveries have been very late, the next night we come in everything and the back stock has been worked, as others have said I think it is all about distribution and getting the delivery rearranged.
Any dot com stores losing their night team?
They are doing the culls bit by bit so as not to put too much strain on distribution at once. It puts more staff on the shop floor during busy time giving a better service and keeping the place cleaner during the day. It will also reduce shrink and paying expensive night management and premiums. It's nothing to do with going the way of the discounters as others have said. Many of the discounters have a night crew but are just not open to the public...
Wasn't the plan to have team leaders on nights and get done with managment or did i miss something now with the night shift cull? They are starting to get rid of nights crew even in dot com stores BWS in mine is the first to go to twilight . I already have a foot out the door so all the best to you that still belive in tesco bullsht i see the ship going down and i'm not waiting around to drown .
Its about stream lining the business,henry ford did it,its nothing new,putting staff onto the shop floor during the day when needed for service,if there are any dot com stores losing there night team,that maybe a trial run for the rest of them,if more shopping goes onlinr maybe dot com hubs like london could be a rollout,
We are as well
Quote from: misty-2001 on 05-02-22, 12:46PM
We are losing half of our main bank tills shortly to have more self serve till installed so that'll mean less cashiers needed. I can imagine they'll all be card only as well so hours will be lost in the cash office as well.
They carry on like this they'll have no customers!
The back to back double checkouts they introduced are unfit for purpose on a big shop! With all the paraphernalia bags for sale stand, card reader, receipt box, all crammed into the packing area, there's no room to open even a single shopping bag to pack! When they do eventually remove the plastic shields, the chute is still less than half the width it used to be on the old single checkouts.
But then that's probably what they intend, rid the paying customers from being served by an operator, and push for self scan or self serve.
Other supermarkets who have installed self serve/scan checkouts , still have full size, manned checkouts!
Just scan every second item and remember to say hello to the guard on the way out. >:D
Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 08-02-22, 06:24PM
Its about stream lining the business,henry ford did it,its nothing new,putting staff onto the shop floor during the day when needed for service,if there are any dot com stores losing there night team,that maybe a trial run for the rest of them,if more shopping goes onlinr maybe dot com hubs like london could be a rollout,
We've gone way beyond 'stream lining', that ship has long since sailed. We hit the bottom of a dried up well some time ago and started digging to find water.
Any person in line to be made redundant can try an alternative role, if they find it is unsuitable they can advice(in writing) their employee of that fact prior to the end of the trial period, and their redundancy is unaffected.
Forgive me for repeating this again but...
Anyone taking redundancy, can sign on at the job centre straight away, and are entitled to the basic job seekers allowance for 6 months, your redundancy payment is disregarded. It's around £75 p.w.
Which stores are losing their night teams altogether??curious if any have dot com operations
We are and we do.
I've heard on this post even people with dot com are still loosing nightshift, I'd gladly take redundancy 👍
@vlad sorry to hear that,which store are you in?does the store names get edited out by admins or is everyone tight lipped
Our store has dotcom and is going
Crazy amount of stock far more productive doing it in nights considering they guy does 14 cages if beer n 2ltr
@mrbline losing nights or just bws nights?which store are you in?
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speaking to a magor driver yesterday,he said several of the .com stores are losing their night crew this time round,he said a lot of night workers thought .com in a store made them safe,but obviously not this time around
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I remember working through the last culls the store manager visited the nightshift to tell them roles are safe as store is too big busy dotcom. Now it's lights out early. Best o luck to all that take redundancy. Lots of work out there.
Quote from: misty-2001 on 05-02-22, 12:46PM
We are losing half of our main bank tills shortly to have more self serve till installed so that'll mean less cashiers needed. I can imagine they'll all be card only as well so hours will be lost in the cash office as well.
They tried to go all card at the store I work at a couple of years ago so I was told but there was such a level of complaints that they had to bring back half as cash and card. to be honest when its busy you end up stood at the top of the queue asking cash or card and directing customers as there is always a queue for the cash side.
Rumour is they are increasing the self scan at our store as well and a number of the older staff are already saying they can't do the self serve/scan as you shop as its "too complicated" lol. I am in my 50's and picked it up and the lovely lady at our store who is fast approaching 40 years of service and is 80 can do it, guess they want an easy sit down life. I have been there about 6 months and am now trained on main checkouts, selfserve, scan as you shop and customer service/kiosk. Even done some basic training on petrol so I can help cover breaks.
I actually quite enjoy it but for me its not the be all and end all. Our mortgage is nearly paid off, hubby and I both have 20 or more years in good pensions we can claim at 60, so its a way to earn extra to pay the rising bills and save towards holidays and kids uni costs. I am on a 7.5 hr flexi contract but the managers are good and I have rarely done less than 20-25 hours and at Christmas was closer to full time as well as being able to say I can't work a shift if I have other stuff to do, which is perfect for me and fits around my kids (12,14,19 and 23). BUT I can see if you have younger kids or are starting out with a career and need to pay a big mortgage then these flexi contracts are rubbish.