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if they get abuse take it further? - don't stand for the abuse regardless, All i know is ours for night tend to have figured out that if they set off after a certain time from the said depot, they can unload it and by the time they get back they don't have time to go do another trailer, whereas we get some at times that are like yeah i just wanna keep going and just deliver it 3 hours earlier, So I dunno how long you guys are generally on the road / in places for or whatever but ones that deliver to our store at night are typically at the depot most of their the shift anyhow so they may aswell just fit it with everything since they typically either aint in it or aint moving from it.

Yes drivers have checklists, but they can't see inside sealed trailers & even if it's a barn door trailer/double decker they can only see the back row unless they unload everything which they can't do. How many stores follow the reporting procedure on mpro? How many actually segregate the bad cages rather than fill them back up? Some drivers do refuse cages and get abuse from the storestaff, but most try to be helpful.

True... not the fault of the driver as such but are drivers not given like a list of checks to go through of "is everything safe" "do you know what your carrying" etc  - incase they get pulled over?

they can also refuse to take the cages / dollies from stores if they aren't acceptable...

whereas stores have to accept the ridiculous mess that gets delivered to us with the message when complaining of "just transfer it to new cages" - Yes 55 cages / dollies / pallets of delivery to transfer over to new ones because Oh... look atleast 10 repair labels are still clearly showing but "can't be seen", bright as hell can can see them from opening of the truck.

Hardly the fault of the driver who has nothing to do with stacking the cages or loading them onto the wagons at the depot.

The same accusations could also be levelled at store staff who can't understand (or are too lazy to care about) the difference between plastic and cardboard, how to secure a cage door or how to segregate the different waste streams despite the PDA telling them how to do it, nor can they tell the difference between different tray types and sizes or even follow simple instructions such as labelling and segregating broken cages and dollies.

especially cause they kept their 3 course meals at their canteen, with their salmon dishes etc. if they wanted morale spend the money.. company just goes more and more downhill trying to leech off of the stuff they give staff

Given the mess we have to deal with in store every morning because the DC staff are too lazy or stupid to stack cages properly, the Depot CHIMpS* are lucky they get paid, never mind fed.

*CHIMpS: Completely Hopeless In Most Situations.

@oldfashionedplayer i would probably say i didnt ask as wasnt unsure what unattended means as i have always considered that to be reasonable to expect unattended to mean it wasnt in my sight and that i wouldnt get to it before any potential thief, but in the circumstances that day the employee could get to it in time so therefore it wasnt in my view unattended

Quote from: penguin on 01-05-24, 05:01PMSo much has fallen by the wayside over the years, for example rumble, strict standards of dress (although I have no issue with that one, im all for self expression) stock control being done correctly, general store standards, proper training, decent canteens and hardly a word said by most of the older staff in the stores I worked at and I joined back in 05 so witnessed the decline myself, yet the second anyone dared to ask a question around the checkout rule and it was like a nuke going off in the store such were the arguments that would follow.

The comments made about the closure of staff canteens, at least in my store, would have made a Royal Marine blush. I will never forgive the penny-pinching, lazy tossers at head orifice for that.

Quote from: londoner83 on 01-05-24, 10:25PMWhy work in retail if you won't serve customers?

End of the day regardless of how amazing you fill your department, if customers can't get thru the tills your efforts are in vain.

Plenty of people, "work" in retail and never serve customers. These employees are called, "managers". 

And if your department isn't filled properly, the customers won't be able to find what they want to buy in the first place.

@lucgeo the initial investigation was for idling and leaving unattended, the disciplinary letter however states the reason for disciplinary as "leaving van unattended and idling"

However the disciplinary letter also states improvement required as "if leaving the van then ensure van switched off and locked", I've noted that they use the word "leaving" as an substitute for "unattended" since this incident which differs from handbook or training.

My presumption is that the disciplinary issued letter only states 1 improvement required as they know virtually all the drivers have been idling vans up until this incident (due to one plug socket for 2 vans and also for heating to keep van warm for driver on cold days)
I hope this clarifies what your asking.

The return correspondence since appeal letter says a meeting will be held normally 28 days which i think is a mistake on their part, im hoping as me and employee have not agreed to this that the process will be out of time after 14 tho.

Thanks again