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BWS H&B and Frozen moving to days?

Started by btblackbird, 16-08-21, 09:24AM

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whatajoke2019

Think our store is still expected to fill it at night, despite what the big T want, but it never happens  :D


Nightproduceworker

Hi, our store has bws moved to days months ago, non food and frozen is next. It's a slow process but eventually it will happen, each section at a time to days/twilight. September will be the next phase then after Christmas. If it's all done at once it will put pressure on warehouses to move their delivery loads around. Said it all along, all they got to do is bring in delivery couple hours earlier and slowly move how's where it fits days/twilight's. Alot of people have left which is good for Tesco because they don't pay redundancies and the hours drop down to meet their criteria.

We have 3 night managers and 1 senior manager. One manager is moving to days in 4 weeks as another change. Again, it's a slow process, the news broke out months ago about Tesco going to simplify their business, nights are going, the money to save on night pay premium is huge,anyone on the verge of retirement, leaving ect is what Tesco will hope for. Any redundancy it will be full timers. We now have less that 10 on nights.

Checkouts going self serve with new installations is another key. The new contract and training for .com and checkouts, roles you can or can't do in the contract is all point towards this big simplified move. Once they get to the point they have cut down staff, like ours some managers have moved to small stores. If they get new staff and need to fill hours they will, but they know having no full timers, offering the overtime is what staff already there will take.

Why I say full timers will be the first in line for any redundancy/paycut/ours cut.

We are an extra with .com. we have .comers come in early hours to fill aswell as they want extra hours. So when Tesco move to days/twilight. That night premium will be gone.

Of course Tesco can't just get rid of you, so you will have meetings. You already have the new contract what shifts/hours and jobs you can do. But when the move comes, your meeting will consist of weather you can move to these hours, fit your lifestyle ect. You leave no redundancy which means Tesco don't have to pay out. But on the grounds they can't fullfil the hours in your contract, you may get offered redundancy. It's abit of tough one as I've heard your old contract, your hours and pay still stand with the new one. I'm not with our union, haven't been for couple years now. Never used or needed them. I feel after they agreed on Tesco behalf for all their union members to a new contract, we don't have a say either way.


Tesc0Wow

#52
Please do not quote immediately prior post(s).  VLH Administrator.

Are nights going in this store completely? Sounds like a store I used to work at same structure. I just would be surprise if nights went to twilight due to the heavy twilight trade in the store I worked in... literally had to have 3 cashiers every night in till 00

Tesla

More nightshift colleagues are going next quarter.

Sherwoodforest

Is that a fact?or guesstimate


londoner83

If you were running a business would you want to pay staff extra to fill the shelves overnight or would you get someone else to fill them at lower cost thru the days?

With the new contract rolling out, a expansion of self serve tills and any colleague effectively being able to work anywhere anyone instore can be used to replenish.

Expect a lot of cashiers who are used to a day of sitting down serving will soon be faced with having to fill cages of stock during their shift. Won't be able to claim redundancy as they are only being asked to be a Tesco Colleague.


whatajoke2019

MM was telling me last night they've had something mentioned on the daily news thingy that BWS is a "priority" and if Twilight colleagues are struggling to replenish Night colleagues should focus on that over other areas of Grocery...

Hmm. Perhaps a) you shouldn't have been so damn eager to take it off Nights in the first place and b) try having a "wonderful" SM who has a face like a wet weekend in Barbados (other holiday destinations available!) if you so much as dare leave a couple of cages because the delivery was late and, like most stores, not enough staff to finish the job.


Razorc

We've been part of the 12 week trial for H&B and frozen, I think we're about 7 or 8 weeks through & been told this week that it has been deemed a failure - due to delivery constantly being left & night staff having to finish it. So in the next few weeks it will be coming back to nights, as will BWS that went to twilights in February (BWS was also a complete mess which days had to constantly fill each night).

Anyone heard anything similar?

Sherwoodforest

#59
BWS was company roll out I thought as ours went twilight ages ago, as for trial you won't be the only store, and vast majority fill H&B, frozen during the day.  Not everyone has night shifts. if deliveries consistently late, your store could have moved a member of staff to early and one to twilight to combat it, as for frozen day team in my store can usually work delivery before nights get in.

Tesc0Wow

Does anyone actually work in an ALL twilight store that works? IE grocery/BWS/Frozen/HB is filled in evenings and fresh in the morning? I'm yet to find one that works well, we're constantly chasing our tail in ours and it never feels settled.

fscer

Yep deliveries never finished, lead manager moaning at me the other day that fresh gap scan wasnt complete, showed her a chiller rammed with cages and told her to go do it.

Redshoes

My store has not had a night shift in years. We do put one on at Christmas and odd times it's required. On the whole it works fine but it's only if the delivery is late that we have problems. This has been an issue with the rail strikes but on the whole the delivery arrives as it should. We do sometimes have cages left over but we do an all hands until it's all worked. We try to leave an aisle if we are going to have problems, it's easier to control and stock control can just miss one aisle. What we leave is a duty call made according to delivery and who is on shift and sometimes who is picking things up in the morning. We never miss facing the store though. If we abandon facing the store is a mess and we still have delivery to work. It's easier to just have one problem.

Tesc0Wow

Interesting, similar structure to us to be honest. How does backstock work? Is it done every day? By days? Interested to know as our backstock never gets touched

Redshoes

We do backstock and then delivery, daily. Grocery team start from 1300, this includes BWS colleague. Delivery mostly comes in between 1500-1700. If it's gets as late as 1800 it has an impact on being finished. We don't get a delivery on Sundays so whole of grocery is turned. Of late this has been difficult as we are still often working sat delivery.
In the morning the priority if fresh, bws and then left over grocery delivery. Backdoor colleagues do bulk juice and beers. If we fall behind we put a colleague on in the morning to catch up on bws. I'm unsure of trade times in England but in Scotland we can only sell alcohol between 10 and 10. Someone in early can do a huge catch up. We have a stock control colleague who used to do bws and she can get through loads. We also have three managers that jump in to help bws. Our store manager is one of them.
It's a huge financial loss if not worked. Shrink is through the roof but then there are lost sales too. Then add in customer comments and the impact of bws not being worked hits so many measures.

Redshoes

At Christmas a team is put into bws. It starts before the aisle is open for trade and goes on all day and into the night. We put a Christmas team on from about the second week of dec until after new year. A person on bws is part of this but we still need people during the day. It tends to be two people all day and one person on nights. Feedback from last Christmas was that we needed more than this but was partly down to the wrong person going on nights.
Our bws does well. We take more than the local extra on some lines.

T.C.1

#66
Well by the sounds of it most of the Tesco stores are getting rid of main bank checkouts to have more space for there seasonal goods. Be interesting to see if this the final straw for those on checkouts and leave.

Duff McKagan

#67
After years of our night crew being stripped to the bone, leavers never fully replaced and certain areas being transferred to days to fill we are now getting several new night staff on 30 hour contracts... they've been told they're permanent and we, the current night staff have been told they're only temporary so who knows what the truth really is? Why, when it's pretty clear Tesco no longer want night staff...or should I say no longer want to pay for night staff, would they be taking on several new staff on permanent 30 hour contracts, it doesn't make sense to me....why now when the summer is almost over? Surely it would have been better to have these people in place back in June ready for the summer.
Surely if they were going to get rid of our night crew, now would be the best time since there's so few of us...less people to move or make redundant?
Allegedly our store was on the list to lose it's night crew in the last cull but somehow we were saved.
It all seems peculiar to me.

Sherwoodforest

Taking collegues on for nights would have little effect for redundancy,as those with little service would most likely get next to nothing and probably would take a twilight position

newguy20

#69
Quote from: Redshoes on 10-08-22, 11:52AMIt's a huge financial loss if not worked. Shrink is through the roof but then there are lost sales too. Then add in customer comments and the impact of bws not being worked hits so many measures.

A few weeks ago we had an awful day when hours had been cut and combined with various staff sicknesses, lead to pretty much every member of shop floor staff spending the whole day on checkouts.

The next day the SM was happy because there'd been no thefts of spirits that day,  it was pointed out that the reason for that was that there was none on the shelf, as nobody to put it there!

Bobmay

Quote from: Tesla on 07-07-22, 08:06PMMore nightshift colleagues are going next quarter.

I believe you sre correct they will be removing night shift by February 2023 which is that they will tell us September 2022 about it.In my store which was metro but became express they are already saying changes are coming but not telling us what the changes are. We are already struggling in the night with many staff leaving since the last 2 years and them not hiring anyone.Which has made tesco night shift difficult. My store manager had asked me fo change my shift to morning or evening which doesn't make any sense as we are already struggling in the nights.

Bobmay

Quote from: NightAndDay on 24-03-22, 07:41PMTesco is a sinking ship, if the degradation in pay and conditions hasn't been indicative of such in the past 8 years then the coming cuts and p**s taking will be, best jump ship while you all can, Everywhere but Icelands pays more atm.

If cuts are coming than you might as well stay.Take the redundancy than leave.

Bobmay

Quote from: biggguy on 17-08-21, 02:51AMWe've already moved them to days ,I thought all stores were the same

In my store we changer from metro to express.We have had many people leave throughout the years I am wondering if we will be having night shift removed.I was told changes are coming this September.

Bobmay

Quote from: Nightproduceworker on 06-07-22, 04:52PMHi, our store has bws moved to days months ago, non food and frozen is next. It's a slow process but eventually it will happen, each section at a time to days/twilight. September will be the next phase then after Christmas. If it's all done at once it will put pressure on warehouses to move their delivery loads around. Said it all along, all they got to do is bring in delivery couple hours earlier and slowly move how's where it fits days/twilight's. Alot of people have left which is good for Tesco because they don't pay redundancies and the hours drop down to meet their criteria.

We have 3 night managers and 1 senior manager. One manager is moving to days in 4 weeks as another change. Again, it's a slow process, the news broke out months ago about Tesco going to simplify their business, nights are going, the money to save on night pay premium is huge,anyone on the verge of retirement, leaving ect is what Tesco will hope for. Any redundancy it will be full timers. We now have less that 10 on nights.

Checkouts going self serve with new installations is another key. The new contract and training for .com and checkouts, roles you can or can't do in the contract is all point towards this big simplified move. Once they get to the point they have cut down staff, like ours some managers have moved to small stores. If they get new staff and need to fill hours they will, but they know having no full timers, offering the overtime is what staff already there will take.

Why I say full timers will be the first in line for any redundancy/paycut/ours cut.

We are an extra with .com. we have .comers come in early hours to fill aswell as they want extra hours. So when Tesco move to days/twilight. That night premium will be gone.

Of course Tesco can't just get rid of you, so you will have meetings. You already have the new contract what shifts/hours and jobs you can do. But when the move comes, your meeting will consist of weather you can move to these hours, fit your lifestyle ect. You leave no redundancy which means Tesco don't have to pay out. But on the grounds they can't fullfil the hours in your contract, you may get offered redundancy. It's abit of tough one as I've heard your old contract, your hours and pay still stand with the new one. I'm not with our union, haven't been for couple years now. Never used or needed them. I feel after they agreed on Tesco behalf for all their union members to a new contract, we don't have a say either way.



I work 22 hours will I get redundancy? My store became express from metro. I heard there will be changes coming this September I dont know what that is. The store manager gas asked me to change my shift from nights to morning which us strange as we have an shortage if staff in the nights. Around 60 percentage of night has left in the last 2 years with no one being hired to replace them.

Redshoes

Redundancy is way down the line. It's not going to be offered in the way it was in the past. Stores will only be able to offer new shifts and possible changes to primary dept. To get redundancy you will have to go through a long process of not being able to move hours. The store will have to send off paperwork and each case will be looked at on an individual basis. Many people took redundancy and left but came back as soon as they could. They are doing everything to prevent this from happening again.

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