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Title: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Modena on 28-10-21, 01:31PM
We now have 6 drivers who have applied for Ocado because of there wage increase,  2 so far have been accepted this is going to be a fun Christmas with no  drivers.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: fatboy on 28-10-21, 02:01PM
They'll never learn but are too tight to do anything about it. We have 2 drivers applied for Ocada & we're already short.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: baldeagle on 28-10-21, 03:19PM
Tesco is risking empty shelves this winter after sparking a nationwide strike ballot amongst its logistics workers with an 'offensive' pay offer, Unite warned today (Thursday 28 October). 

The ballot of 3,500 Tesco lorry driver and warehouse workers for strike action at the Belfast, Didcot, Doncaster and Thurrock regional distribution centres comes after a four per cent offer was rejected.

Unite general secretary Sharon Graham said: "Tesco made more than £3 billion during the pandemic yet pretends it cannot afford to pay the workers responsible for such staggering profits a decent pay rise.

"Offering four per cent is offensive when RPI inflation is running at nearly five per cent. If our members vote to strike, Tesco can expect Unite to go all the way to support their fight for a fair pay rise."

Each of the four ballots for the distribution centres opens this Tuesday (2 November) and closes on 23 November, with the exception of Belfast, which closes on 26 November. The strikes would impact Tesco stores across Northern Ireland, Yorkshire and the south of England.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 28-10-21, 03:51PM
They have never given the workers a decent pay rise why start now.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: VladPutin on 28-10-21, 04:51PM
"Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold, mere anarchy is loosed upon the world..."

I'm actually looking forward to things going mammary glands vertical; I did the vast majority of our Xmas shopping weeks ago. And I enjoy watching customers suffer. That look of crushing sadness and disappointment when you tell them you don't have what they need for Christmas? I feed on that. >:D
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: lackofinterest on 28-10-21, 05:12PM
 it's their own fault. i've been telling them for years to shop elsewhere  >:D :-X :D
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Nomad on 28-10-21, 05:18PM
A timely reminder.

https://www.gov.uk/if-your-business-faces-industrial-action/nonunion-employees-and-strikes (https://www.gov.uk/if-your-business-faces-industrial-action/nonunion-employees-and-strikes)

QuoteYou cannot hire agency staff to provide temporary work cover during a strike.

Agency staff who are already in place as part of normal business can carry on as usual.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Modena on 29-10-21, 06:52AM
So if it's happening with lorry drivers why can't we the drivers, pickers, turnaround complain to our union and get some action taken, not sure how strong all of your reps are but we have a new rep and he seems on the ball.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: VladPutin on 29-10-21, 08:04AM
What action? USDAW's agreement with Tesco bans any form of industrial action.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Modena on 29-10-21, 09:20AM
Thank you I didn't realise that.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: baldeagle on 29-10-21, 11:28AM
Vlad USDAW have taken industrial action in distribution. Dagenham 2018. And given this years pay talks not going well at least one has balloted on industrial action in the last few weeks.The problem in retail is the almost impossible ability to have a ballot that would be deemed legal. And Tesco and USDAW know it.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: VladPutin on 29-10-21, 11:33AM
Fair enough, Bald Eagle, but I stand by my point: Stores and DC's are two very different beasts. There hasn't been a strike in stores since I started, and that's 20 years ago.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Modena on 29-10-21, 12:05PM
Well I still think if drivers from each store go to there rep and raise issue's and concerns something must get done re pay, abusive customers,  extras every day.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: fatboy on 29-10-21, 12:10PM
I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. We will get f*** all like usual.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Hammer10 on 29-10-21, 12:29PM
That's what I like keep going for more money in distribution then when store staff get their back dated compo it will add up to a pretty penny let alone the massive pay rise we will get Tesco won't know what's hit them.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: baldeagle on 29-10-21, 01:02PM
Vlad I agree and can i say that in the 50 years I spent in different unions(mainly unpaid working as a union rep) that USDAW was the worst union  that I represented. I gave up with the full time officials in the end.Its only function now is to raise funds.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Modena on 29-10-21, 05:49PM
A driver who has been here years did tell me the gap between the drivers and pickers was a lot bigger.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: fatboy on 29-10-21, 05:54PM
Sure was, drivers now only get the skills payment of 69p p/h more than the pickers.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: VladPutin on 29-10-21, 06:36PM
Quote from: baldeagle on 29-10-21, 01:02PM
Vlad I agree and can i say that in the 50 years I spent in different unions(mainly unpaid working as a union rep) that USDAW was the worst union  that I represented. I gave up with the full time officials in the end.Its only function now is to raise funds.

You're not alone, mate. I know a lot of reps who have jacked it in because the full time union officials gave them zero support.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: FarmerFred on 29-10-21, 11:28PM
Quote from: Modena on 29-10-21, 06:52AM
So if it's happening with lorry drivers why can't we the drivers, pickers, turnaround complain to our union and get some action taken, not sure how strong all of your reps are but we have a new rep and he seems on the ball.
Store based workers are bound by the "Collective Agreement" between USDAW & T, even if they are not members of the union as it forms part of the employment contract & that has been upheld in tribunals. Unfortunately, one of the provisions of the CWA is that store based staff will not undertake industrial action.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: lackofinterest on 30-10-21, 09:18AM
i find it mind boggling that members voted that in!!!!
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: baldeagle on 30-10-21, 10:42AM
Can anybody point me in the direction of any no strike agreement between USDAW  and Tesco. Because I cannot find one and its not in the partnership agreement so far as I can see.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 30-10-21, 12:11PM
Why waste your time waiting for a rise find your own.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: LucyJ on 30-10-21, 09:49PM
Usdaw are completely useless!,😩 They are working for Tesco and are in their back pockets! Do naff all for the staff!
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: horatiocain on 01-11-21, 11:33PM
I'll settle the strike question.
USDAW cannot have a no strike agreement with Tesco no union in the TUC is allowed to have one  so they don't have a no strike agreement USDAW could ballot the retail members for strike action  and could strike.

The problem is actually getting a strike.
The problem is that the majority of staff won't actually vote to strike and if you call for the ballot and lose you lose bargaining position.
So USDAW will call for a ballot if they think they can win.
But that's not likely as the vast majority of staff are on the poverty line already  they can't afford to strike, and both sides know that.

So while there is no agreement not to strike.
There is the reality that it will not happen.

Although if my place is anything to go by a ballot would actually succeed so we never know.

As to the original point  drivers will flee in droves because Tesco are a joke to work for
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Hammer10 on 02-11-21, 08:14AM
So if you can't strike just work slower make it harder for Tesco to get what they want . Collective sickness say all one department go sick at same time but don't talk about it plan it out of work on the quiet.That's if you can afford it .
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: horatiocain on 02-11-21, 09:03AM
It's called a  'blue flu' and it's considered an illegal strike.

The first option is much better, working to rule is brutal  because the management have to sit there and watch it happen and are powerless to do anything  because you're following every rule.

Like the rule that you can only carry a single tray at a time  its common place for staff to carry 2-3 to speed up the process.
Actually looking and observing before turning  taking your time and correctly following your pristine training.
Going at the customers pace on the checkout.
Cleaning as you go and putting the equipment back correctly.

For DotCom it's brutal  the drivers risk assessment has to be made dituatilnally and they have the final say  because the unique risks might not be present next time.
I've watched a driver bring back a third of their deliveries because of unacceptable risks.
We saw 4 drivers bring back every drop one winter night a few years ago because they didn't have torches and there was not a single street light where they were sent.
No disciplinary hearing ever took place because no rule was broken.

That's where the power lies  working to rule  and a reasonable pace.

And remember the legal definition of legal applies, which is the average person's opinion, how hard does the average person think they should work for minimum wage?
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Modena on 02-11-21, 09:03AM
Thank you for your reply our place is the same some drivers will miss there lunch just to get a extra delivered, where as the rest of us will stand our ground bring back the job if we have to or come back late have lunch go back out late, there are two types of drivers here some who live for tesco others it's just a job.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: horatiocain on 02-11-21, 12:05PM
We had a group of 7 drivers always got every single drop done
Managers pushed at them so they worked to rule and in 1 day brought back a total of 14 drops,all because they didn't like the way these guys stuck together, working to rule is massively powerful because it isn't breaking any rules.
My place can hold on to drivers at all  its a joke now.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 02-11-21, 02:34PM
People sticking together  :o

The norm usually is everyone thinks they are grafters in comparison to the other and fire there coworkers in at every opportunity to keep the managers off the shop floor. End result people leave and not replace and the grafters are expected to do more.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: hesketh on 02-11-21, 02:38PM
A week on strike loses you 2% of your year's earnings.

Striking to rectify a wrong decision or action has it's place, if you are prepared to sacrifice money to make your point. As a wage negotiation gambit it is rather counter productive. There are also pension and continuity of service implications if Tesco decide to play nasty (Don't think they won't).

As Horatiocain has pointed out working to rule is the most effective method, and it costs you nothing.

Just take a few minutes to look at your job and all the little things you do that make it simpler or quicker. Every procedure that you shortcut is a gain that the company is making whilst you are the one at risk of injury or disciplinary. Don't forget that all the "heatmaps", schedules  and such nonsense are worked out on current performance levels, which include those "shortcuts".

Simply do your job "By The Book" and their system doesn't work anymore.....

As a distribution driver, it would be easy to find several reasons why your delivery will either be delayed by hours or not made at all. Whilst these "discussions" are taking place your gate will be blocked and no other deliveries will be possible at the backdoor.

You will be told go completely against procedures and unload another vehicle in the carpark without safety shoes, Hi-Vis and training. Will you do it.....NO!

Follow this theme through and it is easy to bring the whole shebang to a shuddering halt......
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: NightAndDay on 02-11-21, 02:56PM
If the reason for striking is due to pay and conditions then Tesco could negatively affect continuity of service and pension for the strikers, however if the reason for strike action to begin with is non-competitive pay and benefits then that will only act as a deterrent for potential future applicants, especially in an employee market which we are currently in.

Tesco "playing nasty" will only result in more hgv drivers and striking staff to jump ship to better pay and compensation elsewhere, the cost of losing staff at present, especially staff that fall under sectors with government acknowleged severe worker shortages is many times greater than what it would cost in normal times.

HGV drivers are the backbone of all supply chains. To maintain the picture of market dominance, Tesco can in no way afford to lose hgv drivers to competitors. As it stands at the moment in todays scarcity led economy, whoever has the most availability wins.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: BUY TESLA STOCK on 02-11-21, 03:24PM
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Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: gomezz on 02-11-21, 09:56PM
Quote from: horatiocain on 02-11-21, 12:05PM
We had a group of 7 drivers always got every single drop done
Managers pushed at them so they worked to rule and in 1 day brought back a total of 14 drops
In my experience it usually more work and a more of a hassle to bring drops back.   Unless you leave them on the van to be unloaded by someone else.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: horatiocain on 04-11-21, 12:04AM
They rolled all of the drops back in to the debrief desk infront of the store manager  clocked out, said goodbye and walked to the nearby pub, all those unhappy customers because Tesco didn't like these guys working the way they did which might have bent the rules  but always got the job done and the customers always happy.

I think only 1 still works there, and he's now only there occasionally because they behave like spoiled brats.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: VladPutin on 05-11-21, 10:16AM
Quote from: horatiocain on 02-11-21, 09:03AM
It's called a  'blue flu' and it's considered an illegal strike.

The first option is much better, working to rule is brutal  because the management have to sit there and watch it happen and are powerless to do anything  because you're following every rule.

Like the rule that you can only carry a single tray at a time  its common place for staff to carry 2-3 to speed up the process.
Actually looking and observing before turning  taking your time and correctly following your pristine training.
Going at the customers pace on the checkout.
Cleaning as you go and putting the equipment back correctly.

For DotCom it's brutal  the drivers risk assessment has to be made dituatilnally and they have the final say  because the unique risks might not be present next time.
I've watched a driver bring back a third of their deliveries because of unacceptable risks.
We saw 4 drivers bring back every drop one winter night a few years ago because they didn't have torches and there was not a single street light where they were sent.
No disciplinary hearing ever took place because no rule was broken.

That's where the power lies  working to rule  and a reasonable pace.

And remember the legal definition of legal applies, which is the average person's opinion, how hard does the average person think they should work for minimum wage?

Indeed. The term, "Blue Flu" originates from police officers using sick days as a form of protest. But police found out that working to rule is actually much more effective. Years ago, two armed police officers shot dead a man who was carrying a table leg in a plastic bag. When it looked like the officers could be charged with Manslaughter, almost a third of all the Met's Authorised Firearms Officers threatened to hand in their, "tickets". Because police officers cannot be ordered to carry firearms, it's a volunteer role they can withdraw from at any time.

Faced with the horrifying prospect of their not being enough armed police to protect Westminster and the so-called VIP's, the government and senior ranks quickly backed down.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Zx81 on 09-11-21, 06:43AM
Quote from: Hammer10 on 29-10-21, 12:29PM
That's what I like keep going for more money in distribution then when store staff get their back dated compo it will add up to a pretty penny let alone the massive pay rise we will get Tesco won't know what's hit them.
come and work in distribution if you want the money, I'm sure you'd be surprised how difficult it is, give me a warm comfortable store any day, rather than sweating at minus 25 degrees id definitely swap with you if the money was the same, who would work in distribution then😜
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Modena on 10-11-21, 12:22PM
So just a update 3 drivers have been accepted at Ocado 1 has gone to a removal firm at £14.50 a hour they are looking for people long days though and 2 have gone back to the airport.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Modena on 03-12-21, 02:53PM
I have just seen Aldi pickers earn £11.05 more than our pickers get it surprises me that our girls don't move on unless they don't know.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: fatlad on 07-01-22, 03:27PM
Sainsburys drivers pay going upto £11.50 in March plus minimum pay in store going upto £10.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: T.C.1 on 07-01-22, 03:40PM
Experienced shop staff at Sainsbruys will be  on £11.40 an hour making Sainsbury the best paying supermarket.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: fatlad on 07-01-22, 04:06PM
Nah, that's lidl.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: T.C.1 on 07-01-22, 04:45PM
My bad read it wrong still be interesting what Tesco will offer at the pay review.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: fatlad on 07-01-22, 05:19PM
Surely they've got to offer something before the pay review is due as from April they will only be paying shop floor workers 5p above minimum wage.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: NightAndDay on 07-01-22, 06:21PM
They've just gave their pay raise in November, Tesco moving their pay rise dates closer to the end of the year saves them money, ca's will be on £9.55 an hour until next November most likely, the later dates saves Tesco on payroll and allows them to see what their competitors pay.

The risk to their strategy of course is the negative press that would ensue if the government raises the national living wage higher than what Tesco sets it as, but Tesco always pays at least 16p above the minimum anyway, but in these high inflation times, who knows what will happen.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: fatlad on 07-01-22, 06:50PM
Tesco won't be paying 16p above nmw as from April it will be £9.55 & Tesco will be paying £9.50.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: MerchMan007 on 07-01-22, 06:58PM
Nah , that's the wrong way round Fatlad
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: fatlad on 07-01-22, 07:32PM
Sure is  :-[
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: lordadmiral on 07-01-22, 08:23PM
Well new pay rates are interesting
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jan/07/sainsburys-pay-increase-store-staff-drivers-shop-workers (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jan/07/sainsburys-pay-increase-store-staff-drivers-shop-workers)
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Modena on 04-02-22, 10:47PM
So am I right in saying other than Asda we are the second worse payers for drivers that is shameful as we are meant to be the biggest supermarket
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Nomad on 09-12-22, 03:50PM
You should consider the type of company you work for.

A driver at a DC who had 27 years service left the company yesterday, his fellow drivers etc did him proud with cards and presents.

MM QUICKLY SCRAPED TOGETHER A £25 TESCO VOUCHER.

Yes 25 pound, think about that and let it sink in.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Twinkeltoes1 on 09-12-22, 09:29PM
Lol I spent 20 years working for this Company, both here in UK and in Europe, went back to store after Europe, store manager used to see all people retiring who had completed over 10 years, gave the females a bunch of flowers, I never saw a senior manager and left with feck all, not that i wanted anything, would of been nice to have had a handshake and a thanks, but that's  problem with some of the store managers, so far up their own backsides and look down on people, in my honest opinion.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Spidercatcher on 13-12-22, 07:36PM
in my opinion, Tesco don't appreciate their good staff half enough, they do nothing to try and hold on to them. In my store we had a complete gem of a home-shopping delivery driver who'd worked for Tesco for over 20 years. He had a great personality, very friendly chap and I'm sure he was loved by all he delivered to, he was just one of life's really nice people - even helping one elderly lady by changing her lightbulb when she couldn't reach it, that sort of thing. Then Tesco nit-picked about something minor and he left and found another job.

Talk about bringing your personality to work?  They don't want you to have a personality, they want us to be robots.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: NightAndDay on 14-12-22, 03:48PM
Unfortunately I see it all to often, working in the office as I do, I'm shielded away from tesco's socioeconomic class warfare culture that they have in store, in fact, if i described my experiences in my past incarnation at Tesco, they wouldn't believe a single word I would have to say about it. Working at Tesco in the office, you wouldn't believe that the front line were treated as anything less than human.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: BarryZola on 15-12-22, 05:33AM
Part of the reason this happens in stores is that Tesco has this sadistic tradition of constantly moving managers into different roles and into different stores. Why would a manager care if they lose the best member of staff ever when they know that in a year or two they'll be moved into another role where they won't be affected by the loss of that member of staff?
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: NightAndDay on 15-12-22, 05:05PM
The problem store operations face is that there are razor thin profit margins in that business area, therefore productivity and operational efficiencies have priority over long term staff retention strategies, unfortunately, for that area of the business, they face a series of long and short term challenges. In the short term, they are facing levels of inflation that haven't been seen since the 70's and 90's which has a result of increasing price sensitivity among customers forcing them to be as competitive as they can and prioritize their value range of products, they are facing stiff competition from the discounters and staff retention is lower than historical averages. In the long term, apart from losing market share (primarily as a result of Aldi and Lidl still having real estate to expand in to, Tesco does as well, but are more limited in options) and Amazons plans to invest a lot into stores in the UK to become the largest market share holder within the next 5 years, there is (accelerated by inflation) a drive for automation and a service and experience led operational model, this will mean fewer staff on the shop floor and fewer management positions, delivery drivers will still be in demand, but as a result of structure changes yet to come (and they will come) the pool of managers that they'll be able to rotate and hire into the position will shrink substantially, and in all liklihood, their responsibilities will be merged with other departments
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: MiltonCasey on 03-04-23, 10:53AM
Quote from: Modena on 28-10-21, 01:31PMWe now have 6 drivers who have applied for Ocado because of there wage increase,  2 so far have been accepted this is going to be a fun Christmas with no  drivers.
It sounds like your company is experiencing a shortage of drivers due to increased competition from other employers who are offering higher wages. This can be a challenging situation, especially during the busy holiday season.

One solution could be to offer competitive wages and benefits to retain your current drivers and attract new ones. Additionally, you could consider offering incentives such as bonuses or flexible schedules to encourage your current drivers to stay with your company.

Another option could be to invest in training and development programs to help your current employees grow and advance in their careers, which can improve job satisfaction and retention.

Overall, it's important to prioritize the well-being and satisfaction of your employees to maintain a strong and reliable workforce, especially during busy times.
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Pnoom on 03-04-23, 11:26AM
What a curiously anodyne reply, MiltonCasey. If I was of a cynical turn of mind, I'd say that someone has been playing around with ChatGPT...
Title: Re: Drivers leaving.
Post by: Maintenanceapp on 16-09-23, 03:08PM
Hi, off topic but does anyone know if Maintainence technicians can be given automatic work vans ?