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Pay review 2023

Started by person7, 05-02-23, 02:55PM

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Er17

So basically an increase of 17p an hour once you've lost the Sunday premium

Duff McKagan

I'd think it likely they'd use that excuse as the person in that scenario would be taking home more money rather than less.

Himynameus

#27
But that won't work in all cases I do 14 hours - 7 on a Sunday and 7 on another day so will be worse off. There's hardly any full-time staff any more all on small contract.

Hammer10

Get ready for those old timers to drop Sundays en mass.

oldfashionedplayer

a lot dropped sundays when it went from time and half to time and quarter, once it goes to just time (which is what's being offered for the £11.00 per hour), don't think many will even do it anymore.. many of us lost a lot of money when they "increased" wages before while cutting it, lost in the short term, gain over the next few years.. so that'll be stripped again.. Company just trying to commit suicide to be honest.

NightAndDay

That was an underhanded disingenuous payrise when they did that, comparing the overall pay over 2 years from a year before the 2 year deal started, in effect the overall increase year on year was half what they stated (sometimes even less) because of how they did it.

To be fair though, It seems Tesco learned its lesson from that, they won't be doing it again.

grim up north

Quote from: FruityLoopy on 07-02-23, 09:50AMThe Sunday premium will be interesting because scrapping it for new starters is one thing. Scrapping it for those longer term colleagues who do overtime  is something else entirely.

Lets say Betty, Nancy and Jon all joined in 2009 and work on potential reductions/counts. Both Betty and Nancy are contracted Sundays while Jon isn't. Nancy goes off sick so Jon as one of the only people trained on stock control is expected to come in and do her shift. Exactly the same work load as Betty but Jon is getting paid less.

Can you imagine it?

It will be the same on checkouts, Joyce who has worked for Tesco 25 years but is  not contracted Sunday will not come in and be paid less for doing a Sunday than Lola who joined in 2022 is.

Currently happening in distribution. A person who walks through the door and starts today will be on more than someone working along side them with decades of experience

barafear

I'm normally quite vocal on these threads about the "upcoming pay review" - i like to discuss different options etc. I'm still not quite sure where this £11/hour and no premiums has actually come from - is it still just a rumour or has an Usdaw rep mentioned it?
Either way, it obviously shouldn't surprise most people.

As for Tesco "compensating" those people adversely affected - given there's not much "fat" to trim anymore - there's unlikely to be much need for compo! And I'm sure they will probably do as they did before, i.e. if you work more than 15+ hours (And Sunday's are only a small proportion) then you're likely to see an average pay rise of "let's say 3%" compared to the announced 7% - but won't be eligible for compo because they haven't suffered a pay cut.


Charlie Harper

Quote from: Hammer10 on 07-02-23, 04:35PMGet ready for those old timers to drop Sundays en mass.
This is the exact situation in my store & they're short enough on a Sunday as it is!!

rayinski

If and I do mean if we get the £11ph at the cost of sunday/bank holiday premiums then good luck getting people in. I won't work bank holidays as I don't agree with shops being open and I'm currently contracted to a sunday and can't get a replacement shift

GotAClubcard

The Sunday premium was always going to go at some point, the wheels were set in motion for it last summer, but I suspect they will keep bank holiday premium for another year.

Redshoes

#36
Quote from: Charlie Harper on 07-02-23, 05:12PM
Quote from: Hammer10 on 07-02-23, 04:35PMGet ready for those old timers to drop Sundays en mass.
This is the exact situation in my store & they're short enough on a Sunday as it is!!

We have done this all before. The old timers lost Sat premium, they lost double time etc. For me personally I'm better off without double time. It was just not worth me working as I just paid so much more in tax.
I'm in a Scottish store and we have a longer trading day. We take more money on a Sun than we do on a Tues or Wed.
I would happily take on a contracted Sun, it would work for me. It's not about the money. I would gladly work Sun so I can have two days off in the week. I was lucky enough to be contracted to Sun once and it made life so much easier by being able to be at home two days in the week.

Charlie Harper

#37
Yeah, each to their own. Everyone's situation is different.

For me, well I'm ready to drop a day anyway, & getting paid less than I was previously on a Sunday just doesn't sit well.

If I ever need a little extra, then I know I can always pick up hours elsewhere (always O.T. available in my store).

It's all just speculation for now anyway.

Voulezvous

Quote from: NightAndDay on 07-02-23, 04:56PMThat was an underhanded disingenuous payrise when they did that, comparing the overall pay over 2 years from a year before the 2 year deal started, in effect the overall increase year on year was half what they stated (sometimes even less) because of how they did it.

To be fair though, It seems Tesco learned its lesson from that, they won't be doing it again.
I can't see why the company wouldn't do the same scenario again when they went from time and a half to time and a quarter, im sure in our store 2 members of staff out of 400 got compensated because they were worse off and those 2 members of staff were only contracted on a Sunday, I'm guessing it will be the same scenario again if they removed the time and a quarter.

NightAndDay

#39
They received a lot of backlash from it, they haven't done a "2 year pay deal" since, they risk alienating a lot of staff causing them to resign for the competition if they do it again, especially in these times of labour shortages, stiff competition and the cost of living. USDAW wouldn't allow it either for the same reasons as it would mean less members.

Saying that though, Rishi Sunak is toying with the idea of Workfare 2.0 to get the NEETs and economically inactive into these sorts of jobs to assuage the labour shortage problem (read, interfere with the natural course of supply and demand) don't imagine it will go down well though.

T.C.1

Interesting read on ITV online news, they were going on about a Tesco in Hampshire and how self service tills were taking over the store and how few till staff there was. In the article  Tesco said it was going to make a substantial increase in there base rate and have far more hours available for staff the article was dated last Sunday.

Redshoes

This has already happened. Checkouts have been so tight on hours but it has been better in the last couple of weeks. Early Jan was awful but just as bad for whole store.

Voulezvous

Quote from: NightAndDay on 08-02-23, 11:10AMThey received a lot of backlash from it, they haven't done a "2 year pay deal" since, they risk alienating a lot of staff causing them to resign for the competition if they do it again, especially in these times of labour shortages, stiff competition and the cost of living. USDAW wouldn't allow it either for the same reasons as it would mean less members.

Saying that though, Rishi Sunak is toying with the idea of Workfare 2.0 to get the NEETs and economically inactive into these sorts of jobs to assuage the labour shortage problem (read, interfere with the natural course of supply and demand) don't imagine it will go down well though.
So you think Tesco would compensate all colleagues who are contracted on a Sunday if they removed the premium, it would certainly be a lot fairer

NightAndDay

It would form part of their contracted pay if they are contracted Sundays, protected pay would kick in for all those affected at a minimum. That's what happened last time (even if it was skewed because they compared the 2nd year of the pay deal to earnings from 2 years ago).

Himynameus

If they do get rid good luck getting anyone to work Boxing Day or New Year's Day.

chris9997

To lose Sunday/ bh payment would be a blow for most another case of Sunday workers subsidising week day workers pay rise, if this is sanctioned by the union they need to think about who pays them.

Charlie Harper

If we're pinning our hopes on the Union, then we're definitely screwed  ;D  ;D  ;D

Rumblerumble

The Skills Payment will be one to watch out for.
Shift Leaders get same skills payment as Service Team Support in Large stores, which to me is unfair

Cbatt566

Quote from: Charlie Harper on 08-02-23, 05:21PMIf we're pinning our hopes on the Union, then we're definitely screwed  ;D  ;D  ;D

It'd be interesting to know how many people pay into the union, cos I don't! Waste of money plus I'm only 1 day a week.

fatlad

I've been there over 10 years and never paid a penny to them cos in my opinion it isn't worth it.

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