Can we use this topic to track the number of :
- Staff made redundant
- Staff offered and taken redundancy
- Staff that have left and position not filled
Permanent staff in full or part time positions in any section of the company.
Please keep this topic for facts or the numbers that are to the best of your knowledge correct.
Since the new Livi depot has opened 29 drivers have left and have not been replaced.
I can remember before AB (union rep) left magor he told me that the chocolate brownie, was bragging he made 6000 people redundant and he was very proud of it.
It looks like the workforce is being run down on purpose, i think bad trading results are on the cards and cuts are already being made. I have a feeling of deja vu having seen this all before at a number of other companies i have worked. The management have now completely lost the workforce and i see nothing ahead but derision, dereliction and destruction.
over the last 6-9 months my department [fresh nights], had a total of 12 full timers and 5 part timers. Now we have 8 fulltime and still 5 part timers but 2 of them are temps, and the way my stores figures are going they wont be with us much longer.
and every night the work is just stacking up all over the place.
>:D
As some will know already Express area managers, APM's, LPSS, SCS, GOS, SD's, have lost their jobs, yes a small few have stayed to take on a much bigger role, for the same money. But over 1400 have gone.
Work level 3 help desk - gone.
There are also talks about removing SM's from cat A stores and getting them to run 2 stores in a similar area. This is not confirmed, just talk at the min, but so was the AM's, APM's going.
With self serv being rolled out in all stand alone sites, for every 2 self serv tills installed stores will loose the budget for 3 full time members of staff (based on a 40% usage figure)
Statutory redundancy pay increased to £380 per week in today's budget.
Tesco must have knew this was coming, that's why everyone got the push a few weeks back, ooohhh dear I can see some unhappy people out there.
I'm not in the know on this matter, but did Tesco do this in the guise of "Right hours right place" at the beginning of the year?
I know that the older members of staff, including myself, were targeted for the chop under that premise. A bit of fancy footwork kept me in.
Tesco I cutting staff left right and centre, a few superstores up this end have been told they are not permitted to contract perm staff only temps on 8-12 week contracts. The area organiser has even been in to agree some lengthening of peoples temp contracts.
Every penny counts !!
it is a known fact that tesco is cutting costs heavily this year I use to have 15 staff in fresh( night shift) now I have 10 and triple the amount of work people are just burning out slowly. And every manager struggles to keep staff motivated to come in to work every night and deal with the same problems over and over again.
Right hours right place does operate in many stores including mine but it doesn't work regardless. Different people work at different speeds we're just robots to MM >:D
every one of the poles we got has gone and not been replaced, every department we are told has too many hours i have been told grocery is 200 hours over budget , days have 2 full timers, nights don't have one person for each aisle we have 5 night managers and several team leaders but not enough staff, managers jobs are created willy nilly, three years ago the night shift was run by 2 managers and 3 team leaders and 16 more staff and we struggled then. it would not be as bad if the managers pulled their weight but the majority don't even stay on the shopfloor all night and god help you if there is any type of incident as they dissappear completely. we are now being barked at and told that this job should take 2 hours and that one is 1 hour. how wouldthey know when non of them has ever done any of the jobs themselves. they are just wastes of skin in my store. if the jobs market was better tesco would have no staff as they would all work for asda!!!!
job losses start from senior team 2 or 3 have to fight for 1 position which is not fair those that don't get it have gone down to team leaders so it's scary for everyone else, please don't take your jobs for granted there's always someone after it, keep your nose clean, don't moan, get on with it xx >:D
Our Night Shift (won't say which dept, or where, to protect myself) has gone from 6 staff on Saturday nights, down to just 2. We're in the middle of the warehouse-to-shopfloor reshuffle and the two of us are currently expected to work 25+ cages of delivery, 25+ cages of backstock plus stock on capping shelves for 9 aisles, plus face up to highest standard (What Good Looks Like). The workload is impossible, but no one in Management is prepared to accept this. The pressure they're putting on us to achieve is intolerable. Something has got to give.
I work on provision cabs and over lat 4 months we have had our tl move to express, one full timer fired, another moved dept, 3 part time student transfer out to other stores and another part timer is having a career break over christmas. Its about 130 hours we lost just on days, brought up the situation with our new manager whos never done a fresh chistmas and he says all will be ok because we're getting 2 student returners
our grocery team has lost 500 hours (i work nights by the way) and all the xmas temps were fired last week now grocery again have to lose 300 hours non food and h+b 400 hours and we are still expected to cope our night manager spends most of his time with his head down walking round and not talking to any one and the section managers/line managers are like are either like jekle and hyde or might as well be sat upstairs having a coffee it seems the only2 team leaders who know what they are doing are stuck down isles all night and the other 4 well what can you say
put it this way its only gonna get worse
Quote from: DairyLee on 30-10-09, 03:32PM
I work on provision cabs and over lat 4 months we have had our tl move to express, one full timer fired, another moved dept, 3 part time student transfer out to other stores and another part timer is having a career break over christmas. Its about 130 hours we lost just on days, brought up the situation with our new manager whos never done a fresh chistmas and he says all will be ok because we're getting 2 student returners
People cannot get fired and anothere started to do the same job for no reason. ;)
Presumably there was a reason for the dismissal - "fired". Not the same as made redundant, therefore different rules apply to refilling the post.
Quote from: Shifty on 30-10-09, 12:33PM
Our Night Shift (won't say which dept, or where, to protect myself) has gone from 6 staff on Saturday nights, down to just 2. We're in the middle of the warehouse-to-shopfloor reshuffle and the two of us are currently expected to work 25+ cages of delivery, 25+ cages of backstock plus stock on capping shelves for 9 aisles, plus face up to highest standard (What Good Looks Like). The workload is impossible, but no one in Management is prepared to accept this. The pressure they're putting on us to achieve is intolerable. Something has got to give.
the question is if you are not achieving to get all that done (and i agree it is impossible) if they pull you for your performance i would say 2 things 1,you show me how to do it and i will follow your lead, 2, i am doing my best this Bering your get out of jail card if they want to discipline you my union area organiser has instilled that phrase in me as no one can do any more than their best and its up to them to prove you are doing any less :P
It is interesting that the consultation period etc. for the wages and Ops redundancies has meant that at the DC's nobody can be signed off on options.
tesco are the only company that wants max profit from british people but wants to employ foreign agency labour and send other jobs to india. all what briish workers can do better. but tesco dont care about the british worker or there lives.
I don't think that that is totally accurate, Tesco do not really care which nationality they employ, they do however care about the output and return from employees, with indigenous workers not willing to apply for "menial" positions within the company they must spread it's nets farther afield.
We cannot defend the "life owes me a living" attitude of certain sectors of the "British" workforce, so as long as employees are on a level playing field of pay and conditions, then Tesco have every right to seek employees within the legal range of the EU.
OK so some overseas employees can claim child benefit for children not in the UK and send it home, where it is of much greater value than in the UK and by paying National Insurance in the UK can claim a full Uk pension at more than 4 times the pension in their home country in some cases, but if they are paying in then they are entitled to be paid out. The biggest problem is that the company make no effort to encourage the integration of migrant workers into the indigenous workforce creating an us and them problem. I'm sure that just as there are good and bad Brits that there are good and bad [fill in the blank] but we will never know as self segregation seems to enforce itself in communal areas. This causes resentment on both sides, thus widening the gap between workers.
Not being English myself but on missionary work from another land, I am accepted by my peers by being fluent and inclusive in my language and thought by most to come from this fair land, I have no clique of my countrymen to hang out with and so am forced to adapt to the people I work with who I must say accept me as one of their own, and fully involve me. There seems to be a greater resentment of agency workers from any country including UK, than of nationality. If you want to work for Tesco then work for Tesco not an agency.
OK rant over sorry :'(
Quote from: tiffany on 17-10-09, 05:01PM
job losses start from senior team 2 or 3 have to fight for 1 position which is not fair those that don't get it have gone down to team leaders so it's scary for everyone else, please don't take your jobs for granted there's always someone after it, keep your nose clean, don't moan, get on with it xx >:D
Sorry bro got to disagree with ya if senior team not up to the job then they should GO.
Please moan, if you don't management think all is GOOD (WRONG)
Don't get on with it, work to your contract or your job description that's what they pay ya to do we are not allowed to use our common sense.
Raster
I currently have the misfortune to be totally messed about by Tesco, I started 4th June on 3 month Temp contract, on 10th July myself and others were given our notice due to shrinkage and going over budget on wages (nonsense for the company claiming 3.14 bn profit), my wages had not been paid to my bank as requeted instead they were paid to a Tuxedo card set up on my behalf by Tesco, to top it all my wages are short by hundreds of pounds which I am now going to have to fight for.
I worked night shift shelf filling, can I ask someone to explain some of the wages rates as I have found with Tesco you get a different answer with everyone. I am just trying to work out what I have been paid for.
I know Basic Rate, Night P1 (10pm-Midnight) and Night P2 (Midnight-6am).
What is Night 1, also what are the rates for OTIME NT & NSUN OT?
Thanks in advance
The overtime rates are laid out in the handbook you should have been given when you started...
Sunday rate is time and half for you.
10pm til midnight is an extra £1.38 per hour
Midnight til 6am is an extra £2.05 per hour
(for hours worked sunday midnight to 6am, the sunday premium also applies).
If an express store the rates are different.
Everytime a new store opens Tesco proudly announces how many new posts are created. They do not say how many are lost in the stores of the small shops they are affecting or the livelyhoods of people who have been serving the community for years and wallop Tesco takes over an empty building and smashes them up!!
They also don't admit to how many of their own staff lose their jobs!
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/biggest-employers (http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/biggest-employers)
QuoteBut of the world's biggest corporate employers (our chart excludes state behemoths like China's army) Tesco, Britain's biggest retailer, shed the most jobs between 2009 and 2010, cutting its workforce by 18%.
18% in 2009/10In 2009 there were 285000 UK employees. 18% of that means at least
51300 jobs lost in that one year. >:(
THAT, is truly outrageous :( considering the spin they put on the jobs they 'create'.
http://ar2011.tescoplc.com/overview/financial-highlights.html (http://ar2011.tescoplc.com/overview/financial-highlights.html)
just a follow on from savebrickhillstores post - they may proudly announce how many jobs they have created when they open a new store but they also conveniently forget to mention how many of those are temporary. How many times have we seen a new store open only to find a few weeks/months down the line that they quietly end the contracts of those same staff. In my store alone far from creating jobs i'd say we've lost 3/4 of the posts we opened with.
they also never say how many are full time.
Tesco have created 200 jobs sounds a whole lot better than.......Tesco have 200 new jobs on offer at 9hrs per week
I am an electrical and entertainment team leader.
I have been in this job role for roughly a year now, all my departments have suffered from staff leaving and not being replaced. These numbers are what I had when I started the role and what I currently have.
Team Leaders - 2, now just me.
Photo Lab - 7 staff, now 4.
News and Mags - 4, now 2.
Electrical Desk - 5, now 3.
Entertainment - 5, now 3.
Electrical Replenishment - 1, now 0.
So in just under a year I have had 10 members of staff leave the store or move departments not to be replaced, plus 1 team leader.
Quote from: Shifty on 30-10-09, 12:33PM
Our Night Shift (won't say which dept, or where, to protect myself) has gone from 6 staff on Saturday nights, down to just 2. We're in the middle of the warehouse-to-shopfloor reshuffle and the two of us are currently expected to work 25+ cages of delivery, 25+ cages of backstock plus stock on capping shelves for 9 aisles, plus face up to highest standard (What Good Looks Like). The workload is impossible, but no one in Management is prepared to accept this. The pressure they're putting on us to achieve is intolerable. Something has got to give.
So nothing has changed in the 4 years since I was on Tesco nights. It is interesting how much stock is left unworked if you go into the store in the early morning. My experience is that it is in growing at a considerable rate.
Surely filling up is far more important than facing up, stock on shelves sells,not a pretty picture of stock in nice rows. Please try to explain that FACT to many Tesco Managers.
Therin lies the problem.
It's a Green Grocer for f***s sake.
None of it is important.
We have quite a few staff who have moved here from stores,now i know why,but..out of the frying pan sort of thing. :p:, to be honest,I don't care if items are all " facing " ?,and looking all prim and proper,( no disrespect to the people who carry out this work ) :d: if i want something, I"L find it( without rummaging ),be it on a shelve,in a box,or on a pallet..( and where the hell do all those tins of tomatoes come from )??surely it really isn't that important ! is it ??.it must be galling for staff spending hours of their time preparing the stock layout continually,i know items have to be replenished,but not set up for a photo shoot.
Quote from: Klobasa on 16-12-11, 07:56AM
We have quite a few staff who have moved here from stores,now i know why,but..out of the frying pan sort of thing. :p:, to be honest,I don't care if items are all " facing " ?,and looking all prim and proper,( no disrespect to the people who carry out this work ) :d: if i want something, I"L find it( without rummaging ),be it on a shelve,in a box,or on a pallet..( and where the hell do all those tins of tomatoes come from )??surely it really isn't that important ! is it ??.it must be galling for staff spending hours of their time preparing the stock layout continually,i know items have to be replenished,but not set up for a photo shoot.
Tell me about it!
You have to wonder what is the point of facing up when as soon as dotcom have been around there are gaps everywhere and it doesn't look like it's even been faced! Managers don't take into account how long it takes to split and to face up.
We too have lost a lot of staff, none of which have been replaced. Surely getting the stock on the shelves should be the priority not making it look pretty which doesn't last very long anyway.
I don't see why night staff should have to do all the facing up as well as filling the shelves, personally I don't think facing needs to be done every day - it's unnecessary and too time consuming.
our store has taken on a couple of part timers for days but we have lost hours on nights to go to day staff rhrp ?? so we on nights have to work even harder to make up AGAIN! :'(
How can none of you see that an unfaced shop looks c**p, and if stock is left at back of shelves that customers cannot see, they cannot buy it...
Gods sake this workforce is supposed to be the best,
DONT ACCEPT 2ND BEST
in my opinion customers would rather see full range of stock on shelves rather than a few items pulled to the front to try and make it look pretty 8-)
Quote from: Hammers1985 on 29-04-12, 07:26PM
How can none of you see that an unfaced shop looks c**p, and if stock is left at back of shelves that customers cannot see, they cannot buy it...
Can't disagree more. If there is something I want to buy I will look all the way to the back of the shelf to see if it is there. I don't think my eyes are are that different to most other customers and are able to see that far back. A fully-faced up display with no gaps sends me the message that no-one wants to buy those particular items so they can't be worth buying.
Quote from: Hammers1985 on 29-04-12, 07:26PM
How can none of you see that an unfaced shop looks c**p, and if stock is left at back of shelves that customers cannot see, they cannot buy it...
How can
you not see that that an unfaced shop is due to:
Lack of staff, therefore:
Lack of availability, therefore:
Low sales, therefore:
Low share price, therefore:
Price increase, therefore:
Low sales, therefore:
Lack of staff, therefore...
... a vicious cycle caused by mass underinvestment, cutting corners and jobsworths like yourself, who's only concern is painting over the cracks.
Quote from: Hammers1985 on 29-04-12, 07:26PM
Gods sake this workforce is supposed to be the best,
Workforce? What workforce? We are facing staff cuts left right and centre. Imagine our main military defence being made up of
ONLY the Territorial Army instead of a Regular Army.
Quote from: Hammers1985 on 29-04-12, 07:26PM
DONT ACCEPT 2ND BEST
Second Best? You are being generous. The other Supermarkets are eating into Tesco's share of the market. Mediocrity at best methinks.
In the Metro I work in we used to have 18 people on the Twilight shift filling and looking after grocery with a minimum of 3 people (Normally 4 unless someone was on holiday) working Sunday - Thursday nights with 5 minimum Wednesday night, Friday night and Saturday night.
Now we have 9. Including our manager (Who only works on the 'easy' nights we have no delivery or 1 small one) With 2 more people leaving the end of this month and we only have one full time position available. (With the hours mainly allocated to the days where we struggle but get by not the days where we are drowning!)
We are still expected to work the full delivery and have the shop fully faced and tidy with half the numbers of staff each night and they can't seem to understand why things are getting missed or being done sloppily or completely ignored because we haven't the time or staff to do it.
Underappreciated** - Typo's pain in my backside!
Our store took on 25 new day staff in the last 2 months. The night shift however are not allowed to replace any one who leaves! We started nearly 3 years ago with 28 night staff, we now have 14, only 5 of which are full time but we are still expected to kick out the same amount of work AND clear up after the day staff. Thanks Tesco, great place to work!!! >:D
its always the same if only top mangers could see no staff to fill shelves then there is no stock to sell to the coustomres and they wonder why we lose costomrs my the ceo should go under cover a take a look in stores and not sit in his office all day long
Our store has got rid of 15 staff and taken on 5. 20,000 new vacancies my f****ng arse.
ditto.our store is also letting staff go.this announcement of 20,000 new jobs is complete bo**ocks.
As are most things Tesco come out with.
would'nt it be refreshing if tesco admitted what an a*se it has made of things
and started employing more staff to get on with the job.
How many of the temps would each of you kept in your own store? If its anything like the situation in mine I'm not surprised staff (specifically temps) haven't been kept on. On nights for example the same temp has been responsible for over 50 fill errors on SRP in the last two nights! Even excusing the first night through possible lack of training the second time surely is something else?
eric 79 you sound like a manager to me.
training happens over a period of time. not just one night.
definitely not a manager my face certainly doesn't fit there!!
The temp in question has been there over a month now. besides which its a simple bit of training at the end of the day... 4 point check. Filled the red cage with cereal today and considering the impact on the store for dotcom and time spent by stock control investigating all that it really isn't acceptable is it?
i work in stock control.the person you are refering to has been in store for just over a month.how well did you know
your job after a month.more training required at me thinks.
Well enough to be able to fill a shelf when asked!
i still think you are a manager.
Haha you're entitled to your opinion but I'm definitely not a manager been a general assistant on stock control for 4 years both food and non-food. I'm surprised as a stock controller you don't agree given the situation I described. Apologies to all for going off topic
haha no i dont agree with the situation you have described.
my hubby has just been fired from p/t nightshift for no reason at all,he's gutted and i'm fuming. no reason was given othe then "we're not renewing your contract" so yeah...reallly ticked off!
his line manager said it was because he injured himself at work a few weeks ago(hurt himself at work,because of another member of staffs idiocy i might add,think we'll sue them for unfair dismissal AND injury at work)
what do you make of that?
I don't think much of it, however if it was a temporary contract which had reached its end then I forsee no mileage in an unfair dismissal claim.
The injury issue is another matter, witnesses, accident book, accident report, doctor/hospital report, is hubby in a union.
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1. If the contract had an end date and is not being renewed then there is no unfair dismissal case.
2. If you haven't already started proceedings for the injury at work, them I'm afraid it could now be argued that you are making a claim out of vindictiveness due to your posting above.
It wouldn't take a junior barrister many minutes to link an injury at work, your hubbys contract ending and the timing and nature of your post to come to a conclusion.
If I was you, I'd delete your post.
There is no need for that, the two are definitely linked as they used the accident due to another as the reason for the termination. One of the major concerns and key factors in claim settlements is the effect the accident has on your employment and ability to earn money.
The fact that your husband is unemployed and his ability to earn is reduced as a result of being involved in an accident that wasn't his fault is very relative and a considerable factor with regard to a claim both in the decision to make a claim and in a compensatory amount.
At my store, we've had one staff move over to the Tech team and their hours were never replaced on the department they were last on. Not to mention about 2 years ago, 2 members of staff left and their hours never got replaced. We never seem to have enough staff in when needed, I myself work by myself for the last two hours of my shift, and Xmas 2011 was a bloody nightmare.
I can relate to what "Shifty" has said. The workload keeps increasing yet staff levels continue to fall. Our temporary staff are all being let go. They have been told they can re-apply for a few jobs as and when they are advertised. "Tiffany" if you do happen to be a manager then your reply is quite typical of the attitude of managers within Tescos. Jobs are scarce so be thankfull of having one regardless of how we treat you.
Quick question, If you terminate your contract with stresco without notice are you entitled to holiday pay owed to you?
Yes, the working time directive makes sure of that
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QuoteTesco cuts 2,000 distribution centre jobs
:( :'( >:(
Quotenew ones that will give our customers a better service and improve working conditions for our colleagues
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being offered a job hundreds of miles away is no good to chesterfield staff whatsoever >:(
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Following on from the forum on team leader and management changes within all store formats excl dot com and checkouts, does this mean that there will be more team leaders coming into dot com or changes to dot com manager role? just heard that there are several stores local to me with dot com getting 2 driving team leaders now from week 9 all being on 8 or less vans plus there normal 2 or 1 picking team leaders. Being a driving team leader myself should i be prepared for major changes in dot com management structure?
There might not to be a job as Team Leader in Tesco anymore.
They are planning to get rid off all TL if possible. At the moment it will be some trial in some stores across country. It might take few years but ...........
If you are TL you will be redutant or you will have to step down to GAs role.
Stores should have just managers doing whole paper work etc.2
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Not sure why you think that they are getting rid of Teamleaders in Dotcom? This is one of the areas where they are keeping them aren't they?
Agrees with picktocube. Dotcom is not affected by the current TL trial.
Dotcom n checkouts not affected......yet!
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Quote from: tescotimmy on 07-10-09, 07:20PM
every one of the poles we got has gone and not been replaced, every department we are told has too many hours i have been told grocery is 200 hours over budget , days have 2 full timers, nights don't have one person for each aisle we have 5 night managers and several team leaders but not enough staff, managers jobs are created willy nilly, three years ago the night shift was run by 2 managers and 3 team leaders and 16 more staff and we struggled then. it would not be as bad if the managers pulled their weight but the majority don't even stay on the shopfloor all night and god help you if there is any type of incident as they dissappear completely. we are now being barked at and told that this job should take 2 hours and that one is 1 hour. how wouldthey know when non of them has ever done any of the jobs themselves. they are just wastes of skin in my store. if the jobs market was better tesco would have no staff as they would all work for asda!!!!
as per timescales, tell(dont ask) them to lead by example. as per jobs market, they would work anywhere else but tosco
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1. If the contract had an end date and is not being renewed then there is no unfair dismissal case.
2. If you haven't already started proceedings for the injury at work, them I'm afraid it could now be argued that you are making a claim out of vindictiveness due to your posting above.
It wouldn't take a junior barrister many minutes to link an injury at work, your hubbys contract ending and the timing and nature of your post to come to a conclusion.
If I was you, I'd delete your post.
in my opinion your last sentence should have read " i want you to remove your post( because tesco are in the wrong but i dont want to admit it)"?!!!
I just read this whole topic start to finish, its amazing - in general - the amount of staff we have lost from 2009 until now.
Is there anyone else around who can help chime in numbers on an average shift - I'm talking people who have been here 5+ years and can say they used to work in a higher manned hours shift. I can say certainly the £ targets have not gone backwards so I would be very interested to see some figures.
E.g 4 Non food staff, 2 tech, 1 news+Mags, 1 click and collect 2009
2 Non food, 1 tech, no news+mags (handled by non food ga's now) ect 2014.
Im taking very general stuff, but I want to see after all this news I see about more hours invested where we have actually arrived at as a company.
Only just seen this thread. Back in 2009, we had seven full timers and four part timers. Two guys who started at six in the morning and finished at ten, one who did a 6-10PM shift and another guy who did a full days shift on Thursday/Friday/Saturday.
We currently have five full timers, and two part timers. One who works 6-10 in the evening but only three days a week. The other part timer works a full days shift on Thursday/Friday/Saturday.
Hi I am a Long term employee , and have worked evenings then nights . In the last two years we have gone down in numbers ie fresh has had two full timers leave. one change departments because of RHRP , one retire and two who are taken off most nights to go on to other departments , but apparently we are over staffed :/
In the last 18 months we've lost 5 staff, that's in express. Barely enough people left to keep the store open :o
As I'm SURE I mentioned somewhere :P our store 'is' 1200 over contracted. As this figure equates to nearly 33 full timers, I'd LOVE to see what would happen if they actually stripped the store of this. I REALLY, REALLY would, and have said as much in the comments of our viewpoint or whatever they decide to call it these days. Yes, we might get o/t (eventually, when we have paid back our overspend) but who would do it?
our store was 120 hours over contracted. rhrp/ ga,s droping hours and folks leaving. 120 hours found. weeks later pm stated we were 220 still over contracted. funny thing is no mangers are over contracted. c**p place to work nowdays.
We have lost loads of staff and when I was in express we got down to so little staff our SM was either on till or doing stock, the situation is a total farce job losses are going on in store as hours and staff never replaced, the company is now past caring about the staff or how it looks if large numbers of store staff are gone and the current team leader / manager trial and the bakery changes are nothing more than cost cutting.
2011 my store had 245 staff for approx. 10400 hours a week,
2014 we have 186 staff totalling 6600 hours per week....staff down 25% hours down 35%
Last month the local paper covered us "creating" 35 new jobs in our DotCom...
Thats quite a shocking reduction in staff. Can only see it continue with the new bossman in october. The first thing to go to "save money" is the staff.
big drop however we have lots of overtime available to top those hours up so we are ok according to head office. What they assume though is that we are using just the overtime we need and do not max the budget therefore everything is hunky dory.......reality is we cannot get the overtime filled and are regularly short of staff to operate, especially on nights where 15 people are needed but they can regularly have only 6-7 staff these days. Less than a year ago this would have rarely happened as people had more hours on more nights creating a solid core team.
Quote from: tl_ffsc on 21-07-14, 12:19PM
2011 my store had 245 staff for approx. 10400 hours a week,
2014 we have 186 staff totalling 6600 hours per week....staff down 25% hours down 35%
Last month the local paper covered us "creating" 35 new jobs in our DotCom...
Would you know how much you where taking in 2011?
I mean if your takings are down like they have been in all the other main stores then jobs would have to be cut
Quote from: penguin on 13-07-14, 03:57PM
We have lost loads of staff and when I was in express we got down to so little staff our SM was either on till or doing stock, the situation is a total farce job losses are going on in store as hours and staff never replaced, the company is now past caring about the staff or how it looks if large numbers of store staff are gone and the current team leader / manager trial and the bakery changes are nothing more than cost cutting.
we don't have a problem with Budget,
What we do have a problem with is not being able to take new staff on fast to replace ones that have gone,(having to wait for anyone that wants to transfer from main store)which never happends
And another problem would be a lot of staff on old contracts that just seem to go off sick
I work on the combination des was told on Monday morning that we are the first store to close the desk and direct desk to merge into a collection point pod x it won't work x so 19 of us are on a consultation period for 45 days be carefull if anyone works on the c9mbi desk bloody move now x
I work on a combined desk (direct & electrical) and we keep getting told different things from different people. We have recently been told that our desk opening hours should be 10am-8pm. I think opening so late is ridiculous. We are a big store and out direct and electrical has a steady flow of customers especially at this time of year when it's slow but to send customers off to another check out when wanting to buy a 50" tv especially when next to us is the phone shop who open at 9am and then in front of us is the clothing desk with opening time of 8am. We are located upstairs on a mez floor
Quote from: in the poo on 22-01-16, 10:23AM
I work on the combination des was told on Monday morning that we are the first store to close the desk and direct desk to merge into a collection point pod x it won't work x so 19 of us are on a consultation period for 45 days be carefull if anyone works on the c9mbi desk bloody move now x
Your just the first this year!
Many direct desks were removed from stores last autumn!
Many were put with the CSD the rest were put with electrical desks!
To say it's been a disaster in my store is an understatement!
We had about 90 hours on our direct desk, they removed it and added 15 hours to the CSD so they could do all the work that was done in 90!
The last time a daily audit was done was on the last day our direct desk was open!
We all know the problems the company had with direct in the run up to xmas, we had people walking out the store because they couldn't buy a lottery ticket or fags!
The Csd colleagues and manager spent all day dealing with direct customers, the SM just avoided the CSD area completely and told the CSD manager to just get on with it!
Quote from: selfservice on 12-07-14, 07:56PM
In the last 18 months we've lost 5 staff, that's in express. Barely enough people left to keep the store open :o
Before I left Tesco, we went from 10 Grocery staff ( 6 Full time, 4 Part time) down to 5 staff (3 Full Time, 2 Part time). Two of which went on holiday after their girlfriends gave birth and I left the same week. One of the lads on leave left at the end of his time off, leaving just the four ( 2 Full time, 2 Part time). How the hell they expect the work that a team of 10 could do to be completed by 4 is beyond me. I recently heard staff have taken a few sick days and one has gone off with stress. Doesn't surprise me if furthe job losses/reductions in staff are coming.
When I started nights around 2008/09 there was enough staff for 1 person per isle, 3 managers and a couple of team leaders to sort promo ends, do training, holiday planning etc.
When I left in 2014/2015 there were still 3 managers and a TL, though the TL has since gone. The actual number of general staff was on average 4-6 a night depending on who was on holiday/days off. God forbid if anyone rang in sick. I remember some nights going in and there being like 3 staff and 1 manager to do the entire shop lol. Still expected to get the same amount of work done also. The store manager used to come in like a bull in a china shop in the mornings and no excuse was good enough if something wasn't perfect, was a bit of a bell end to be honest!
Does anyone know the likely hood of being signed off options(nights) in the south I was told quite easy as desperate for team managers on nights, however if there are changes a foot ( management clear out perhaps or nights in some stores going to twilight) I would expect there was little chance of successful completion as there may be need to be a redistribution of staff.
Are job loses only for Express and Metro or is this going to include Large Stores as well??
Quote from: chris9997 on 11-02-16, 04:44PM
Does anyone know the likely hood of being signed off options(nights) in the south I was told quite easy as desperate for team managers on nights, however if there are changes a foot ( management clear out perhaps or nights in some stores going to twilight) I would expect there was little chance of successful completion as there may be need to be a redistribution of staff.
Nights is an easier progression route than days. Partially due to the undesirability but if you can do it for a few years you can get to senior level much faster than on days.
Was not the case in our store. Everything was done on days training and courses etc and because we were so short staffed they would not let people go etc. That was our store. (-*-) (-*-)
Quote from: bigcheese on 17-02-16, 03:47PM
Are job loses only for Express and Metro or is this going to include Large Stores as well??
There is nothing happening in convenience its large stores only.
Are Tesco Direct next to be culled? The £2 charge for orders under £30 is hitting hard.70% reduction in parcels coming in to Store.
I have bought items recently on ebay instead of Tesco Direct because of delivery charge, but I find 70% reduction a little extreme.
Maybe people are opting to have it delivered to their home as the delivery charge isn't much different.
Is the 70% reduction based on the same period as last year?
26% loss in sales from same week last year, 70% less parcels per week from Jan'16. Silly thing is CD's and DVD's are £2 to come in to Store but free home delivery!
The majority of our orders are under £30. Used to receive 40+ parcels a day now between 9&18!
So in other words, they're trying to make money from something that clearly is no longer viable.
It used to strike me as funny when they announced the costs of home delivery was about £16 per delivery, yet it would cost a customer about £2 for the slot. And then there is the added cost of delivering products to the stores which then has to ship it out again.
Why didn't they just build RDC sized DotCom centres, ship large amounts of the needed products into them and roll out online shopping from there. Surely it would have saved a fortune.
Equalizer87, that's the way ocado do it. Pick the order in massive purpose built picking centre's then load onto trailers and ship it out to the little delivery hubs that they have all over the country, load onto delivery wagons simple. Wait till Amazon really get going in the online grocery market, it will hit the takings of dotcom, drastic needs to open more dark stores.
Stockrotateman,
Yes I am aware that's what Ocado do, but you would have thought Tesco would have thought of this by now.
I agree, once Amazon start hitting the ground with their Amazon Fresh it will obliterate DotCom. Amazon customers being able to use their customer benefits in more ways than the big supermarkets can offer.
And for Morrisons to be in league with them is a real coup. Drastic must have seen that news and cried when he heard it break.
Quote from: Equalizer87 on 28-03-16, 03:07PM
So in other words, they're trying to make money from something that clearly is no longer viable.
It used to strike me as funny when they announced the costs of home delivery was about £16 per delivery, yet it would cost a customer about £2 for the slot. And then there is the added cost of delivering products to the stores which then has to ship it out again.
Why didn't they just build RDC sized DotCom centres, ship large amounts of the needed products into them and roll out online shopping from there. Surely it would have saved a fortune.
When you look at the resource that is used to run Dot.com I can't for the life of me see how it is profitable even in larger format stores. :( :( :(
Which begs the question why they throw so much into running it? It drains resources from other parts of the business to sustain itself, while making no profit in real terms.
No one in the right mind would throw money into a fire. So are they really that scared of axing DotCom just because they lose a market sector in favour of making profits?
If that's the case they really deserve the pain the company is going through. Sad thing is the staff will always suffer first.
Quote from: Equalizer87 on 28-03-16, 03:07PM
So in other words, they're trying to make money from something that clearly is no longer viable.
It used to strike me as funny when they announced the costs of home delivery was about £16 per delivery, yet it would cost a customer about £2 for the slot. And then there is the added cost of delivering products to the stores which then has to ship it out again.
Why didn't they just build RDC sized DotCom centres, ship large amounts of the needed products into them and roll out online shopping from there. Surely it would have saved a fortune.
There are are a few Dot com centres that have been around for several years and I believe that Tesco are in the process of getting more.
Does too little, too late come to mind?? Tesco could have been a market leader with massive DotCom centers that covered large areas, but they decided to go for more stores instead. They will be competing against retailers whose bread and butter is making money through the Internet and be a latecomer to this. It's all reactive, not proactive, which is what is needed to stay ahead in the modern retail world.
My original post is about Direct,not .com. We obviously have problems in so many areas.
Quote from: Equalizer87 on 28-03-16, 04:23PM
I agree, once Amazon start hitting the ground with their Amazon Fresh it will obliterate DotCom. Amazon customers being able to use their customer benefits in more ways than the big supermarkets can offer.
Can't say too much but that day is coming sooner than you think
Let me guess June.
Quote from: Weyoun on 28-03-16, 07:23PM
Quote from: Equalizer87 on 28-03-16, 04:23PM
I agree, once Amazon start hitting the ground with their Amazon Fresh it will obliterate DotCom. Amazon customers being able to use their customer benefits in more ways than the big supermarkets can offer.
Can't say too much but that day is coming sooner than you think
It certainly is, just waiting to see the next spouting of garbage from the High Tower about how things are "improving".
Is it this week or next for end of year results.
I think it's about two weeks off, they usually announce around 14th- 16th April depending on which falls on a Wednesday ( as I last remember ).
Ideally check it up online if need be.
April 13th, preliminary results announcement.
Thanks, probably let us know about the bonus at the same time.
The bonus is still not confirmed????
The Turnaround bonus ,if achieved should be announced in May.
So all the rumours back in February about it being garrentee was garbage???
Yes.. Never was guaranteed . My management put up posters advertising the 5% turnaround bonus , they came down when it was pointed out you MAY get UP TO a 5% bonus . So MAY means perhaps and UP TO could mean zero to five percent .
Exactly as I thought, my old TL was spouting bs about the store manager saying it's confirmed as it came by email. As I told him it's not confirmed and I said we most likely won't get it.
Loads of staff at my old store are holding out for it. Can't wait to see their reaction if it's pulled.
Once They know what the profit is they will decide what percentage will go here and there, they still have to pay back our £250 million pounds deficit into our pension.in other words we will be paying for it our self's.just a thought.
That's not including the £250 -£500 million they are looking at for a fine from the SFO.
Either way, it's looks to be an even bigger unlikelihood of getting 5%. Surely with results about two weeks away from being declared they would have an idea.
Quote from: Equalizer87 on 28-03-16, 09:03PM
Exactly as I thought, my old TL was spouting bs about the store manager saying it's confirmed as it came by email. As I told him it's not confirmed and I said we most likely won't get it.
Loads of staff at my old store are holding out for it. Can't wait to see their reaction if it's pulled.
Turnaround bonus? Forgive me but surely the turnaround would have to be successful first. So far the place is a complete disaster with very little turnaround achieved. My local store for example is seeing sales continually decline and no matter what plans are being put in place nothing is arresting this. The giraffe cafe went bust and had to be replaced with a new Tesco cafe... they cannot afford to replace staff that have left, and very little is changing in terms of the store improving. I think anyone who thinks they are getting a turnaround needs to wake up and smell the coffee.. (If there is any on the poorly stocked shelves!)
Quote from: Equalizer87 on 28-03-16, 09:17PM
That's not including the £250 -£500 million they are looking at for a fine from the SFO.
Either way, it's looks to be an even bigger unlikelihood of getting 5%. Surely with results about two weeks away from being declared they would have an idea.
Dependant of the receptiveness of the company to facilitate an ongoing review, a DPA is a strong possibility, which could/would mean no financial impact to this years %'s.
What do you think they would do to at least defer £350+ cost.?
Also
With regard to the concept of turnaround, will he sacrafices his bonus to forgo yours?
Improvements is all that is required.
If he can't show better than, what ammounts to fraud, then he is gone. To not pay you your bonus surely means he isn't doing his job?
Also if he don't pay yours, what qualifies him to have his?
Has that ever stopped a Tesco CEO in the past???
The reality is he can afford NOT to get his bonus. Is stripping the company to its flesh and bone worth the bragging rights to say we get a bonus and things are looking better? Would he sacrifice his bonus though? I wouldn't think so.
Would they sack him if he fails this year? No. Why? It would only add to uncertainty over Tesco stock market value, and yes shareholders would be dumping their stocks If that happens
As for the DPA, there is as much liklihood of there not being one as there is for one to be accepted. And if it were, it just adds to the 17.5 billion debt the company still carries. Either it has to get accounted and will hit either this year's or next year's finances, so it will hurt when it hits. Another part of the DPA, the payment of the fine has to be agreed by SFO, if they feel it's not good enough for them. They will refuse it.
I wouldn't hold my breath on anything until it happens, but will not be surprised if it all ends badly because of an extreme balancing act the Drastic is trying to perform.
Britains number one employer!
Steam rollered to pay fines?
Foriegn company shown for tax avoidance .. ASKED to pay 1/10th of their bill!
I feel an intervention coming on.
Intervention???
A divine one is needed ;D ;D
As it looks like BHS will go into administration tomorrow with the loss of up to 11,000 staff I wonder if Drastic Dave will be looking at the situation with a very large knife in the grinder ready to chop again??
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Whats to say the fool might not try and buy the BHS business and put Tosco ito even more debt ? ??? ??? :-X
The company is fighting against a tide of clueless management....so many department managers promoted to their posts without having a clue how their section operates .graduates taken on who have a degree in "anything" and are given managerial posts in retail without having a clue how retail businesses operate.Tesco is reaping what it has sown over the past few years...most G.A.'s have a better idea of how their sections would run more efficiently...but their opinions are ignored by the blinkered attitude of line managers and ultimately store managers who seem to spend most of their time covering up the deficiencies of the business by making the store "look good " whenever they get a visit from their superiors.I see my store crumbling under the constant tide of incompetence and find it very demoralising to the point I hope they offer me redundancy as I cannot bear going into work and feeling I am spending my day doing pointless routines that in no way affect the way the business operates.
...and you get so demoralized that even when you know of a better way of doing something you no longer say anything because they have never listened in the past so why would they listen now.
Even if/when they ask me for my input these days I just say I have no ideas and play dumb, why should I pull them out of the c**p that they quite gladly and headstrongly got themselves into?
I have been 'there' for a while :thumbup:
Totally agree optout almost everything any of us do is to make sure the dept/store achieves the correct coloured tick in a box, to make everything seem as if it is running smoothly, when it is patently obvious to anyone with half a brain that it's anything but. Absolute bloody shambles of a company. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
:thumbup:
ONE OF OUR TEAM MANAGERS WAS TOLD THE COMPANY HAD AN ASPERATION FOR THERE JOB ROLE TO BE REMOVED BUT ITS NOT A REDUNDANCY SO THEY TOOK UP A NEW ROLE BEFORE THE JOB WAS REMOVED.
NOW THEY ARE SAYING THAT ITS A CHOICE OF TWO OTHER MANGERS TO RUN THAT DEPARTMENT ASWEL AS THERE OWN DEPARTMENT AND IF THE DON,T AGREE IT WILL GO TO CONTRACTUAL DISCIPLINARY.
CAN THEY DO THIS
Before others trample all over you.
Please do not use all capitals as this is often viewed as shouting in the world of netiquette, unless of course you intended to shout. :thumbup:
I'm full time have been for 19years and I heard today that tesco want to get rid of all full time staff
My store is one of the ones that are losing all our night colleges all have been made redundant and with very little shops on board for them
It's rumour at the moment. But judging on what Tesco have been up to recently, it's looking more and more concrete in my opinion.
So many rumours of a massive cull of nights and or full time staff in January, and the company wants us all to join in silly Christmas events and do extra hours for the promise of time back in December, someone somewhere is taking the you know what.
Please can anyone tell me about any news on the night managers supplement that has been changed today and embargoed until today day too
Managers who are doing overtime on nights to cover hols or whatever will get the same as what a GA would get now
Managers who are contracted nights will still have the same supplement, no changes to it
Tesco want every body on flexi contracts and they dont want any full timers in stores any more, so they are starting to get rid of full timers to make way for part timers, by the time the £9.00 anhour comes in there will be no full timers left.
Last night the team lead told me I would be investigated for not putting my tea on a tray in the canteen. Sat in office with him for ohh a good 20mins ;D. Yes too many know that you can get £20/hour for stacking a shelf and the easy aisle at that. Skilled labourers don't even get that and are out in all weathers and actually need qualifications. Why would you want to do any other work when you thing about it like that. Believe it or not the GAs actually like working in my store as sitting/standing around makes it a long shift. The managers could pitch in more FULL shift and maybe we wouldn't be in this position. To be honest the same amount of work is done in my department regardless if there is 1 or 4. :-[ :( :thumbdown:
I take it your taking the P... about the canteen? !!
Quote from: cheesedoff on 06-10-16, 08:37PM
Tesco want every body on flexi contracts and they dont want any full timers in stores any more, so they are starting to get rid of full timers to make way for part timers, by the time the £9.00 anhour comes in there will be no full timers left.
Stress Co are getting rid of the night teams so they don't have to pay night premiums to make way for the £9 an hour come 2020.
we had a couple of people given informal discussions for not using trays in the canteen repeatably,yet when the aircon was being fixed by maintainance they were standing on the tables with their muddy boots and nothing was said!
On the Plus side your Air Conditioning was being fixed!!
Oh the spare part finally arrived from Russia/ Nova Scotia/ Poland / Bulgaria (delete as appropriate ) ???
I suspect it had more to do with an account amount due was paid. Allowing the CYCLE to start again.
Hi, I'm just wondering if anyone has heard any more about full time GA losing their full time position and how can Tesco go about taking it off them?
I've got 19years service in the same store and would like to know in advance what to expect.
There are rumors but after the night staff have gone the full time staff will be next is that true are full time staff being made redundant or having there hours cut I know they would love to get everyone on a flexi contract
I've heard the same rumour, at the moment that is all it is, but it really wouldn't surprise me. in my opinion I think full timers will get culled.
Quote from: Leicestercity on 12-11-16, 06:52PM
There are rumors but after the night staff have gone the full time staff will be next is that true are full time staff being made redundant or having there hours cut I know they would love to get everyone on a flexi contract
Yea I heard that rumour also February 2017 being the start date
I have heard that only 5 stores in n.i. are to keep their nightshift,my own store being one of them,does anyone know any different
does anyone know if any of the stores in n,i.,have already lost their nightshift,i have heard that some have,but I have heard nothing concrete
Like me most people do just under full time hours, so not officially full time.
What exactly count's as full time hours some tell me 35, others say 36 and some insist it's 30.50 know ones seems to know exactly what is classed time
36.5
Nights generally 4 shifts 10..7 and then one shift 11..7
Thanks for that The Hooch, I wasn't to sure
hi winks alot Tesco class 32 hours as full time
As far as Tesco are concerned, 30 Hours + is classed as 'Full time Hours'
Went to Great Bear last night what a waste. More s*** paid jobs. Just what the country needs.
The only thing that might actually prevent them getting rid of full time staff is the political fallout which might be more than they can handle. Don't forget they are still one of the largest private sector employers in the country and the ramifications would be huge
Political fallout would mean jack all, if they are employing a greater number on lower hour contracts, the government will back it either way.
So, I was given a nice letter at work. Don't know what to expect. Big changes or small.
Looks like all of services got letters too.
https://s12.postimg.org/4ttea2t71/work_letter.jpg
Smartass
Is it an Express you are you at? Is the consultation not usually 45 day?
This letter probably about Right Hours Right Place with 30 days notice a change to contract/hours. Might only be in your Store but good luck it might not change you that much, at all or better for you.
The ones it mentions that will affect & they will be notified are probably ones that might have to switch to another department due to yours having too many hours & another having too few.
Fingers Crossed :)
so is this the beggining of the new service rollout,all the managers had training for?
I don't think it's anything to do with express, as smartass mentioned about services.
Whatever it is, the fact that the consultation period is 30 days not 45 days indicates that redundancy wont be an option.
there still can be redundancys 30 days is if it effects under 100 colleagues which they use like in this instance when its store specific.
Hi we are a super store.
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With the current climate surrounding our partnership with usdaw petitions will not work. They are now the puppets to the puppet masters. The only way to hurt the union is by withdrawing from it and not giving them our money. The likelihood that anything they do will ever effect is has surely been displayed through all of the cuts and job losses that have effected staff and managers. They will take our money but give nothing back. There is only one
just been maid redundant. redundancy money has gone into bank,, yet I've had no letter of confirmation of how much exactly i should have received, so how do i know if its correct, as no figures have been mentioned the whole way through the redundancy one to ones just how many weeks, when questioning the one to one team members they only stated the number of weeks you were entitled to, but never mentioned figures !
I have just been made redundant from Welham Green . We all received a letter about 10 days before the final shift ,which had a breakdown of our payments on it including PILON and bonus and showed us what figures they were using for calculating our redundancy payments. We also received a copy of our reference enclosed with this breakdown. If people were not going to be at work ,these letters were sent to home address.
There are no full-time jobs being offered and all flexible the only way to get full time is during the consultation of jobs you have applied for job or jobs offered to make up a maximum 35 25 hrs pending on number of leavers to store availability and applications my hours made up of 3 shifts to make 35 hours
What do I use to calculate my redundancy, contracted pay or average of few payslips?
The weekly pay on your latest contract :thumbup:
Thanks Tom Hardy the basic pay on my wage slip is never the same to divide by 4 to get weekly.
I will ask for a copy of my contract so I can get more exact amount. :thumbup:
Quote from: JL on 07-04-17, 12:37PM
What do I use to calculate my redundancy, contracted pay or average of few payslips?
I am sure it is your Contracted pay, This should not change on your pay slip each Month ,
The first thing on your pay slip is Basic pay,
Use the week in which you do not have any sick pay/holiday pay in it ,
Has anyone on here been directly affected by the 'pilot' of removing PM's and compliance Managers? Apparently 2 groups are affected at the moment but the rest of us has been 'briefed' yesterday . Not really any info in the 'brief' so a bit lost as to whats happening. Are the two groups affected in consultation? Are there any timescales mentioned? Cant even find any info on what this 'pilot' actually consists of. Can anyone already affected shed any light on what happened in their brief/consultation? would appreciate any info
In stores that are losing compliance managers who exactly is going to manage pi department
In stores losing PM who is going to manage the redundancy?
Quote from: Tom Hardy on 23-02-17, 05:36PM
This letter probably about Right Hours Right Place with 30 days notice a change to contract/hours. Might only be in your Store but good luck it might not change you that much, at all or better for you.
The ones it mentions that will affect & they will be notified are probably ones that might have to switch to another department due to yours having too many hours & another having too few.
Fingers Crossed :)
Quote from: JL on 07-04-17, 12:57PM
Thanks Tom Hardy the basic pay on my wage slip is never the same to divide by 4 to get weekly.
I will ask for a copy of my contract so I can get more exact amount. :thumbup:
Your hourly rate x number of hours contracted per week , gives you a weekly figure.
Quote from: Issey18 on 07-04-17, 03:46PM
Has anyone on here been directly affected by the 'pilot' of removing PM's and compliance Managers? Apparently 2 groups are affected at the moment but the rest of us has been 'briefed' yesterday . Not really any info in the 'brief' so a bit lost as to whats happening. Are the two groups affected in consultation? Are there any timescales mentioned? Cant even find any info on what this 'pilot' actually consists of. Can anyone already affected shed any light on what happened in their brief/consultation? would appreciate any info
Got the brief today, they are starting a pilot in these stores that runs in conjunction witht the new payroll system. Usually these pilots run for 6 months and make no mistake it will be rolled out, don't think there has been a pilot that hasn't (as long as it saves money). 6 months bring us up to October time, stuff like this usually happens at the start of a quarter and q4 starts at end of Nov so I guess that is when we will be put in consultation.
can someone help me please i have retired this year i received my last wage slip but did not get my bonus for 2012
am i still entitled to this payment
PMs and Compliance Managers to go. No surprise really, they've been reducing the compliance managers jobs slowly for the last 2 years with hours, scheduler, no more log books, everything going to the store manager and PMs We're just there to do the restructures.
The theory behind it is that PMs and Compliance just do the other managers jobs for them anyway by pushing them to do absence and audits etc so they shouldn't be needed if the managers did their jobs properly
The restructure is still taking place is it not?
If PM goes now who is going to consult night staff when more night teams go?
I'd imagine it would be night manager and store manager
our night manager would have plenty of time to do it if you can prise him off his phone that is
Quote from: countyman on 07-04-17, 05:30PM
can someone help me please i have retired this year i received my last wage slip but did not get my bonus for 2012
am i still entitled to this payment
I think you will get it in a months time . Some info here .
https://cdn.ourtesco.com/2017/02/27125545/Cash-Bonus-2012-Award-%E2%80%93-5-year-anniversary-QA%E2%80%99s.pdf
There will be no manager role to replace either position. The group team will have a new role who will be there for consultation and advise on policy for the instore managers and an General assistant admin role is to replace the compliance manager to do administration. Group PMS have now been made to have 2 groups each also.
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Quote from: countyman on 07-04-17, 05:30PM
can someone help me please i have retired this year i received my last wage slip but did not get my bonus for 2012
am i still entitled to this payment
I think you will get it in a months time . Some info here .
https://cdn.ourtesco.com/2017/02/27125545/Cash-Bonus-2012-Award-%E2%80%93-5-year-anniversary-QA%E2%80%99s.pdf
The payment is due May 5th into your bank.
Quote from: Yorkshire dave on 07-04-17, 04:45PM
In stores that are losing compliance managers who exactly is going to manage pi department
stock control /then electronic labelling in the near future ??
Hope its instore security next please
So with an end to compliance, would that spell the of stock control teams??
Can anyone shed a little light on the compliance trial please...so part of compliance goes to stock control, what options are available to the stock control managers? No say/take on the extra workload? Consultation/redundancy???
If the Compliance role was to go to the Stock Control manager that would be one hell of a job. Combined Fresh & Non-Food Stock Control with SRD AND Compliance?? That's a lot of responsibility.
I'm curious as to how the rumoured "simplificatiin" of Stock Control has gone, if it was actually happening.
Stock control not getting compliance, just Pi . Each dept team manager is to be accountable for their own audits.
Quote from: SAMCRO on 11-04-17, 04:03PM
If the Compliance role was to go to the Stock Control manager that would be one hell of a job. Combined Fresh & Non-Food Stock Control with SRD AND Compliance?? That's a lot of responsibility.
No if about it, compliance will go to the non food stock control manager in the stores where they have two stock control managers, with obviously the entire role combined with compliance in the stores with one SC manager
Quote from: Hippotime on 11-04-17, 04:11PM
Stock control not getting compliance, just Pi . Each dept team manager is to be accountable for their own audits.
So this would lead to Stock Control teams being disbanded???
I don't like people losing their jobs but the PM was absolutely pointless in my experience, never supported their GA staff in any way shape or form, just tried to make their lives miserable.
I know they were supposed to be there for all staff but in my experience they never fulfilled that job description.
In short, stuff them, reap what you sow and all that jazz!
Quote from: Equalizer87 on 11-04-17, 06:09PM
Quote from: Hippotime on 11-04-17, 04:11PM
Stock control not getting compliance, just Pi . Each dept team manager is to be accountable for their own audits.
So this would lead to Stock Control teams being disbanded???
Why would it? I'm confused. In stores where there is a NF Stock control and a fresh stock control, pi will go to NFSC. In stores where there is just the one SC manager, they will now inherit PI. I think promo changes will be passed to relevant fresh/grocery managers too rather than PI team. PI will simply do day to day workload until electronic POS comes?
Still don't get why we haven't gone down the electronic SEL route. It's works well in stores across Europe including Tesco in Hungary.
We haven't gone fully electronic yet as the cost is massive and we have been developing this technology for years to get it right. Our first pilot was in Brighton and Hove around 2003 so still 14 years later we are slowly improving and perfecting this technology and ensuring it's doesn't become a cost we have to renew regularly
Quote from: Issey18 on 07-04-17, 03:46PM
Has anyone on here been directly affected by the 'pilot' of removing PM's and compliance Managers? Apparently 2 groups are affected at the moment but the rest of us has been 'briefed' yesterday . Not really any info in the 'brief' so a bit lost as to whats happening. Are the two groups affected in consultation? Are there any timescales mentioned? Cant even find any info on what this 'pilot' actually consists of. Can anyone already affected shed any light on what happened in their brief/consultation? would appreciate any info
Please can you tell me where you got the brief? Nothing seen or mentioned in our store.
Quote from: Om12nv on 11-04-17, 03:56PM
Can anyone shed a little light on the compliance trial please...so part of compliance goes to stock control, what options are available to the stock control managers? No say/take on the extra workload? Consultation/redundancy???
Anyone know the answer to this :thumbup:
I doubt they would offer the current stock control managers redundancy for moving a few extra staff from another department that has lost its manager :D but hey if that's what you are hoping for then good luck :thumbup:
So In stores with 2 stock controllers, the food stock controller just does stock control, whilst the non food stock controller, as well as having merchandising foisted on them a while ago, is now getting PI as well?
Wouldn't you rather have a few extra staff to manage than lose your job?
Just reading about pm/compliance managers going. Who will wages fall under?
I know in cat 10 stores there is already a seperate merchandising and PI manager. I would imagine it would follow this model and for smaller stores combine with stock
Your store manager SHOULD be answering the questions 😁
Is this change to pms and compliance happening everywhere?
Quote from: happygirl on 13-04-17, 10:46AM
Your store manager SHOULD be answering the questions 😁
You think? They don't have any information and in some cases any interest!!
Bulshido Iv heard pi is going under groc/fresh stock control not non food.Also heard today a store up north has done away with pi and staff on the aisles are given the price labels to put out!.Anyone else heard this please.
It wouldn't surprise me if all PI and Stock Control duties are moved to the replenishment teams. Just another way to kill off a department.
@ Thevamps Wouldn't surprise me if ga's were expected to put out labels,next it will be put a brush up our backsides and clean as we go will save on cleaners lol 😂
thevamps I work in a extra I can't see how it is possible to fill and put out labels especially on promo nights we can have up to 2000 labels the fillers work hard enough as it is plus we've got this rubbish going on with getting green on double scans and labels done within time scale etc big push to get green on all 5 at the moment
plus when this new system with new pdas starts pi and stock control are linked so it makes sense for us to go under stock control manager don't know if our compliance manager is going yet but I suppose eventually it will happen
I know it's a bad move but that's what I was told this am,can't say the store but its come from a good source.Cant imagine the overcharges if that was to happen in our store don't think there's a regular person on any aisle or they would care about the customer being overcharged.
The reality is the company want more and more jobs being done by fewer people, workloads have increased and this isn't going to stop.
thevamps you are right most of the labels would end up in the bin legals would definitely not be done by 12 lol
Tesco headcount
"23/02/2009 = 364,015
"23/02/2017 = 464,520
Ups and downs along the way, highest level was last year
"23/02/2016 = 482,152
https://www.tescoplc.com/investors/reports-results-and-presentations/financial-performance/five-year-record/ (https://www.tescoplc.com/investors/reports-results-and-presentations/financial-performance/five-year-record/)
Quote from: is_it_that_bad on 29-05-17, 04:19PM
Tesco headcount
"23/02/2009 = 364,015
"23/02/2017 = 464,520
Ups and downs along the way, highest level was last year
"23/02/2016 = 482,152
Head counts also include Full and part time,,
So how many full time jobs have been cut to be made up with part time jobs ?
In another words , how many depend on benefits due to going from full time , to part time ?
Agree, head count is an erroneous figure if trying to gauge (un)employment level, man-hours (or woman) is a better indicator.
Good point. If you read Silver Rob's link, average employees is up this year compared to last, but average full time equivalent employees is down. Suggests more staff on part time contracts.
Due to the loss of FT and PT staff on nights our store is a mess. The managers think they are getting less people to complete the same amount of aisles. The reality is items are in wrong place and there is no standard.
Dave Lewis just announced 25% redundancies across all areas .
Why should we be surprised !!!
All areas? Welwyn Garden City and Hatfield.
Where was this announced ?
http://www.cityam.com/267480/tesco-cutting-1200-jobs-its-head-office (http://www.cityam.com/267480/tesco-cutting-1200-jobs-its-head-office)
Quote from: Julia12 on 28-06-17, 12:06PM
Dave Lewis just announced 25% redundancies across all areas .
Why should we be surprised !!!
Was a bad briefing by a manager, yes, this is Head Office. Now says 25% of that area, not as a whole..
So 1,100 from Cardiff, now 1,200 in the UK and India.
Dave Lewis, in his recent message is saying that Tesco is still too complex, and that we have a high degree of duplication. They have been working on a new 'service model', to simplify the business, and there will be 'role reductions' in different areas. There will be difficult weeks ahead, we've been warned.
Any ideas what the 'service model' is, and what the role reductions will be?
Not difficult for him, just the colleagues waiting to find out if their job is going
Quote from: cupcake29 on 29-06-17, 03:56PM
Dave Lewis, in his recent message is saying that Tesco is still too complex, and that we have a high degree of duplication. They have been working on a new 'service model', to simplify the business, and there will be 'role reductions' in different areas. There will be difficult weeks ahead, we've been warned.
Any ideas what the 'service model' is, and what the role reductions will be?
Where is David1?
In the pub getting p**sed with the other 1199 :D
He also said operating costs were still too high..
Expect a lot more cuts.
He is getting rid of people and buildings.
No-one is safe as we are discovring.
As well as all these people loosing their jobs, because optician's are being shafted to vision express, the supplier galaxy who makes the glasses are no longer needed so all the staff there will suffer too so more people loosing jobs.👹
Well with PMs and compliance I thought he would get rid csms ? When he puts in other company's won't need lead GM or some gm managers either
Quote from: Julia12 on 28-06-17, 12:06PM
Dave Lewis just announced 25% redundancies across all areas .
Why should we be surprised !!!
Is that 25% of store staff too?? Christ, large hours contracts will get it fir sire if that is true.
Has anyone heard anything about the combined/direct desks going in the north west?? We have been told they are going but waiting every day for a date??
Does anyone know if redundancy will be an option???? 😣😣😣 stressing 😣😣😣😣
A Store in Liverpool has lost the Direct Desk. The staff were offered redundancy. Jobs for some were found in store.
Quote from: cupcake29 on 29-06-17, 03:56PM
Dave Lewis, in his recent message is saying that Tesco is still too complex, and that we have a high degree of duplication. They have been working on a new 'service model', to simplify the business, and there will be 'role reductions' in different areas. There will be difficult weeks ahead, we've been warned.
Any ideas what the 'service model' is, and what the role reductions will be?
If Dave Lewis is looking at duplication, he needs to start at the very top, with his exec board and distribution leadership team, retail leadership team, stream directors etc , I can see lots duplication in the roles they perform
Yes you are right, why do we need a bunch of store directors who are as much use as a chocolate fire guard, when if the store managers are doing their job right then they should not be told if they are good or c**p in many cases. Now if they are c**p it should be drastic sacking them as he is the one in charge cutting the sds out would save a lot more than a few GAs .
It's not just the SD's that need to go but the whole regional teams. If managers in store are paid to manage and are responsible for their store/dept why do they need a group team as well.
ST should also go and approx 50% of team managers. If you look at stores on a Sunday you will see very little management on a busy day.....
Quote from: fruitdogs on 04-07-17, 10:51PM
A Store in Liverpool has lost the Direct Desk. The staff were offered redundancy. Jobs for some were found in store.
Thanks I've since found out a few other stores are looking at Oct/November to close the help desk. :-X
Quote from: his scots tie on 29-06-17, 05:16PM
Quote from: cupcake29 on 29-06-17, 03:56PM
Dave Lewis, in his recent message is saying that Tesco is still too complex, and that we have a high degree of duplication. They have been working on a new 'service model', to simplify the business, and there will be 'role reductions' in different areas. There will be difficult weeks ahead, we've been warned.
Any ideas what the 'service model' is, and what the role reductions will be?
Where is David1?
Perhaps he has been made redundant?
Is this 'help desk' that people are talking about, the 'customer service desk' or are these two different things :question:
hi everyone i have worked on the direct desk now for ten years on October 14th. We were told this week we are to be made redundant.....or change job.....NO FULL TIME POSITIONS AVAILABLE IN STORE....also further slap to the face they have taken on 8 new staff for the store yesterday {we were not offered these hours or positions} so in effect they have taken our jobs!!!!!!!!!! The direct .com is now being shared between csd and gm. the till is on csd......NO help from union.....they said that as no additional hours have been given to those departments then technically they haven,t taken your job role. Yet in 2 weeks time the new heat maps are being released and i bet they will have additional hours to cover the direct till and to do collections/returns for the direct desk FUMING ++++++ STRESSED+++++++ proves yet again we are treated as a number not a person and no consideration for all the hard work we have given Tesco over the years :'( :( :( :( :( >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Take the money and don't look back
I agree with the above statement, take it and get out of dodge.
Yup, take the money and don't look back!! Good luck!
Best getting out of this sham of a place while you can. But it is easier said than done if you have a bills to pay and many wont be able to find a job straight away. Dave Lewis knows exactly what he is doing but he is not being open and honest as it would have too much impact on the business. By the looks there is not going to be one role unaffected by his plan. It is going the way of McDonalds. No hours, low wages and few that stay. Our night shift took on lots of staff on 1,2 and 3 day a week contracts and already people are leaving as they can get more hours and the same/better money elsewhere. Instead of training the new staff the managers leave them to it and when they cannot complete the job a good staff member has to finish the job.
its only going to get worse in the future. in my opinion anybody given the chance to escape with a payout should grab the money with both hands and run, and never look back. people willing to leave rather than wait for possible redundancy says it all
Yes escape while you can.
For most the redundancy will only keep the mortgage/rent going for few months.
It could take people long to find work.
I repeat
Is this 'help desk' that people are talking about, the 'customer service desk' or are these two different things (http://www.verylittlehelps.com/Smileys/verylittle/question.gif)
Optout
My understanding is both. The helpdesk that is going is in Cardiff and it's the one that helps with customers problems with electrical, tv's computers etc and I think mobiles. It's moving from Cardiff to another call centre.
Then there is something also going on with the desks in stores. If a store is big enough to have several desks they are being combined into one and called combined. Some stores have done this ages ago.
Several years ago around 10 I think they started combining CSD and Kiosks into a combined desk..they stopped it because customers hated it...people with complaints hated being behind others wanting a lottery ticket or cigarettes and people wanting cigarettes and lottery tickets hated waiting behind people with long winded complaints...why is now different...because it is a way of saving money..sod the customer
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This is do do with the combined electrical and direct. The customer service desk will have to do alto more including electrical returns etc. There will be a non manned kiosk with a call a colleague set up. The customer will type in their order number and it will page a non food member to get their parcel.
This means that the electrical desk will no longer exist and a seating will be in place!!
If had my 1 2 1 and now to decide if I'm staying on another dept depending on hours I can get or take the redundancy deal 😣😣😣😣😣
Does anyone know who gets electrical items for customers, and things like games, where do they go in this new set up. Would it be the csd or this new checking area. The electrical colleagues have access to the lock up and there are very few shop floor or csd staff.
We are also on 45 consultation for desk closure.
HR haven't a clue of any vacancies in store so we are having to wait for them to find out.
Glad redundancy is an option as someone nearing retirement is going to gain and good for them.
For others who have several years left to work, this is a very awkward situation,we always say we would get out but when faced with the option it is rather frightening.
I know as a company they really do not care about long serving staff as they know some other mug will do the job.
Decision now, do I want to be that mug?
Essexgirl you are not alone. It's the scariest thing ever. But fingers crossed when the time comes we will make the right decision. The amount of people coming to me and saying the wish they were offered redundancy have no idea how scary it really is! X
That is very true, a number of my ex colleagues were very vocal in saying they'd jump at the chance of redundancy, but when push came to shove , they grovelled shamelessly to keep their jobs )stabbing others in the back , in the process)
Arizonarugby
Yeah there is a few like that at my place too. And just the ones that want some gossip to start some Chinese whispers...
I was off for a week and a certain person. Asked a college of mine where I was... the reply had me in stitches..
"We are not allowed to talk about what happens or even mention her name, it was awful" then left it there....
Of course she questioned everyone about it until I got back.off my week off!!! Hahaha her face was a picture... time to winde up the talkers 😉😉😉
Anyone know when redundancy gets paid please?
You should have the date in the letter you are given when you sign to say you are taking redundancy.
In my case payday was a week after I left but had to wait for the following months pay date for the redundancy.
We had our first one to one meetings two weeks ago and are still waiting for HR to find out our redundancy package or any available jobs in store and the hours.
Feel we are not being helped in any way.
We had the redundancy figure from head office a day after asking for it in our one to ones.
Obvious some stores HR are more on the ball than mine. If it wasn't written on the notes in front of them, they wouldn't have had a clue for any of the answers to the questions we asked. I just think it's disgusting how they tell you that you are a valued member of staff that they don't want to lose but then don't help you to stay in the company.
Too busy employing flexis to be bothered with us obviously! >:(
I had my redundancy offer 2 days after asking essexgirl. I hope you have yours by now. So after 15 years with the company I have decided to leave. I'm gonna miss the staff more than anything (well the ones I like anyway)
Scared of the unknown and what happens next but fingers crossed it's the right decision. :'(
I took redundancy in May after 16years, I was very lucky and got a new job within a week, the pay is less but NO stress, best thing I ever did, good luck to you all, hope everything works out for you
When Tesco supposedly quit night-shift in our store, I was offered redundancy which I accepted. 3 weeks later I was asked to return to the store to sign paperwork and get what I was owed. This deal was backed by my union A.O. I waited patiently in the training room for 30 minutes only for the A.O. to walk in and tell me the deal was off. "you have broken the confidence of this deal and told the staff the amount you were being offered and the head of personnel is very angry" Total shock and anger and I think you can imagine the language was not very nice. The A.O. offered no further help and instructed me to return to work (I had been off work since the redundancy package was offered) I point blank refused and instructed the A.O. I would be taking legal action immediately. It took me about a week to send Tesco letters of intent and then the A.O. got back in touch with an invitation to a meeting in another local store to see what agreement could be reached. I attended this meeting with my solicitor and was told immediately that was not acceptable which I just laughed off.It took about an hour of me and my solicitor sitting in the canteen but eventually the A.O. came back to say the head of personnel was willing to give me a "Compromise Agreement" to the same amount as the Redundancy package and I went in and signed a few forms and agreed to come back in 3 weeks time to collect my back pay and agreed termination of contract fee. Of course Tesco being the liars they are and with the backing of the A.O. the deal ended up me being given paperwork that I had resigned from the firm so blocking me from claiming the benefits that I should have been entitled to. I ended up claiming "Carers Allowance" at £62 per week / 35 hours for an ill friend. This lasted for 7 months but sadly came to an end for other reasons. I'm now claiming job-seekers this past 2 months and no sign of getting a job locally. I've applied for many jobs and the standard reply is "sorry you did not meet the criteria" I've asked what this criteria may be but I suspect it's likely to be my age (61) that is stopping me being offered work. Thanks to Tesco, I lost my job and any money I received has been used up during the past 9 months as I supplement my benefits. Tesco have never quit the night shift in my store. There is now a young guy doing exactly the same job 10pm - 7am on the freezers. I met the guy 2 weeks ago and he told me he was shifted from another store a few weeks after I left. Of course I have a legitimate case for legal action against the firm but I have no desire to waste any more time with these liars. I was not alone in being treated so poorly. Others just left and started in a job they had lined up, which was great for them. Two actually got a great redundancy package but I've no idea why they were treated differently. I miss working in Tesco as the staff on our team were great but the management were totally useless. The Union failed to be of any assistance to staff over the 8 years I was employed and I was constantly being asked for help in any dispute. Maybe that's why I was literally kicked out the door.
Forgive me if I'm reading it wrong but you said tesco did not want to make you redundant telling you to go back to work but you went to great lengths to make sure you got made redundant. You then blame them for you losing your job!! I feel you may have thought nice Lump sum and go straight into another job but as it hasn't gone to plan tesco are getting the blame
Quote from: Haggis on 03-08-10, 03:15AM
I currently have the misfortune to be totally messed about by Tesco, I started 4th June on 3 month Temp contract, on 10th July myself and others were given our notice due to shrinkage and going over budget on wages (nonsense for the company claiming 3.14 bn profit), my wages had not been paid to my bank as requeted instead they were paid to a Tuxedo card set up on my behalf by Tesco, to top it all my wages are short by hundreds of pounds which I am now going to have to fight for.
I worked night shift shelf filling, can I ask someone to explain some of the wages rates as I have found with Tesco you get a different answer with everyone. I am just trying to work out what I have been paid for.
I know Basic Rate, Night P1 (10pm-Midnight) and Night P2 (Midnight-6am).
What is Night 1, also what are the rates for OTIME NT & NSUN OT?
Thanks in advance
Did you manager to get the card thing sorted? I was told that when this happens it's easily sorted out by telling the manager. But I've also heard from people who have done that and still not had any change. I was just curious if you'd tried telling your manager?
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Community champion was told this week that the job no longer exists gone by the end of this week
Yeah Usman!!!
Stop trying to rush that manager into getting it sorted!!
Your just soooo impatient :o
Fair play,
First I've heard ??? Is the champion being offered redundancy??
Not in our store no, trying to find her another position but she was well upset as she only found out yesterday by another source.
Is that a company wide decision to get rid of community champions or just selected stores?
If the job no longer exists, then it's redundancy! I think this may be isolated to your store for some reason ???
Don't know if it's every store but it's definitely more then ours. There was a get together today in our store with other community champions. Not happy.
Heard all in house security going
Any idea when Micky?
Not yet just told Union Ao it looks likely as most stores only have 1 tesco guard and it would make sence
They'd be as well anytime a shop lifter needs held our guard goes for his dinner break leaving it to the **** Duty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi9U7k-YxGA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi9U7k-YxGA)
apparently the company has scrapped farm to fork,that is probably why community champion hours are going
Senior team going because their jobs are superflous due to current technology which will be implemented as costs are decreasing exponentially and many have been observed filling shelves which does not justify their wages as although they are doing this to justify their existence due to uncertainty about their jobs, it has backfired on them badly .
Store managers will be responsible for multiple stores.
Shift leaders introduced to store level to reset MM wage structure.
Community champion gone with hours on twilight being offered.
PM gone after Christmas along with compliance manager .
Shift leaders responsible for compliance and are being trained by those about to be made redundant.
Quote from: Mickymouse1962 on 16-11-17, 09:14PM
Heard all in house security going
Is this just stores or is distribution getting hot as well?
Quote from: Mickymouse1962 on 16-11-17, 09:14PM
Heard all in house security going
This rumour has been doing the rounds for years....
^ probably because the company seems to endlessly tinkering with security, it's structure and who it reports to, I'm not sure there is, or has ever been a cohesive plan for it.
I agree with what darklighter says but for slightly different reasons, the role that I think will see most transformation is the role of SM, the days where they can walk round pontificating and trying to look important are numbered, if you want to know what the SM of the future looks like just look at what Senior Team are doing today, they will be much more hands on with more specific operational responsibilities as they are in any other retail business - Tesco's thinking and structure in stores no longer serves the purpose needed and is very far behind the industry.
Why not just have a good amount of GAs, a few Shift Leaders and an SM in the largest of stores. The Shift Leaders will do the LM job on reduced rate and the SM will make sure all is being done and report to head office. The SM could oversee a few stores in the group with the Store Director overseeing them all.
This will happened all the time as long as tosco got the same leader. Type of leader that more worry about their position and pay rather than real manager t manage a business. Its been too long we had loads of managers who don't understand a modern way of retailing. Stuck in the era of 80's and 90's.
So sad sometimes hearing and looking what these big bosses come up with, along with some lower manager. More into cutting cost without thinking of basic fundamental business organization. Don't bother about effectiveness and efficiency as a big retailing company. It is retailing company in the first place fgs.
So many times SM or upper manager came to shop just discussed about putting things on the shelf, do it this way, it is not high enough, think that front end as the best place ( unless tosco still have that policy that suppliers pay more for placing their stuff on certain shelves ). Make a decision or policy base on one accident, try to find one wrong thing from staff regardless all the good thing.
How about start thinking about cost to resources ratio. How about start thinking about volume against time and staff cost ratio. How about start thinking about the ratio of size of the self with profit. How about listen to people who work on the bottom on the pile what is the problem. How about start doing carrot and stick properly, not give carrot to the lazy staff and stick for a hard working staff. How about start thinking of strategy, "meat and vegetables" for sale, what is pull what is bind if they can understand that.
And for once, how about start trusting your employees and stop accusing us for stealing in so many ways, how about start thinking that the system is bad, hey we loose a lot of money just from self service that got simple bug need to be fixed but no one care, and these people don't even understand what it is all about.
And they wonder why company like aldi or lidl grow so fast, because they do what a retailers have to do, not like a company who tinkering to much about anything but the retail business itself. If you want to cut a cost, cut it where it needed. But again, it is not about how to make tosco a good retailer, but to save their position and pay. Such a shame a big family of company years ago that make this company big and now been chipped so much with new generation.
Like I've posted before if a store can run on one of its busiest days (a Sunday) with 1 ST and at most 2-3 TM why do we need 30+ managers on other days of the week.
Once OT booking/holidays etc is done online by staff why pay 30+ managers pay.
TM can easily do ST tasks at much cheaper cost. If they can't they should be replaced.
If SMs were held accountable do you you need a SD?
I agree, if a store manager is to look after several stores, why have their superior? why not have an area sd and NO store managers? Just shift-leaders.
Lets cut out the middle-man.
An obvious advantage is a more direct reporting structure to executive level, which is where decisions are supposed to be made.
In a customer focused business, i would have thought that, the shorter the reporting route between customer and executive, the better.
Any other community champion job going?
Not in my area, they know nothing about it ???
The champion in my old store has been told there jobs going but they will find them something else in store and the farm to fork lady is going back to dot com when the current visits are done.
Why is the company still obsessively scraping the barrel for pennies by getting rid of these things when we all know there is much much more to be saved if the knife cut just a bit higher up?
:thumbup:
The knife Doesn't seem long enough to reach Work level 3. Symbolic knife?
The work level 3's have protected themselves throughout this whole fiasco (pensions, restructure, salary review etc etc etc) with the full support of Lewis's little helpers sorry USDAW in stead of fighting fir it's members rights the senior USDAW mangers are more interested in taking selfies with Lewis and Davie at (for example) the national event at the NEC
I was at the event where people started taking selfies with them two, I've never seen anything like the arse licking that went on that day, one could have been forgiven for throwing up it was awful and of course the bosses were loving being in the limelight.
I believe the work level 3's were still affected by the pension changes, although apparently they get a better deal. Everything else though is true, they have avoided the rest of the changes - can only be a matter of time as they are very expensive compared to Community Champions?
Taking selfies with executives is so ridiculous :D
Opticians gone on the 4th December. Another one bites the dust.
Why have 8 GA's filling the shelves at xmas when you can have one store manager doing it?
Why were senior team on a 2day course at the beginning of the week. Rumour has it, it was to learn how to coach and work more closely with individuals in store. This suggests that they will have to deal with all the audits that stores get and therefore have to make sure all line managers know their role in being able to pass these audits. I am afraid to say it that this suggests the demise of the compliance role, so by mid January they will be gone along with the personnel managers. >:(
A lot of mixed rumours regarding the compliance manager trial not going well?
Huge changes at Lichfield DC.
All non performance jobs at Lichfield DC being subbed out starting with the Pallet area.
Quote from: Beanny on 01-12-17, 01:54PM
Why were senior team on a 2day course at the beginning of the week. Rumour has it, it was to learn how to coach and work more closely with individuals in store. This suggests that they will have to deal with all the audits that stores get and therefore have to make sure all line managers know their role in being able to pass these audits.
No, it suggests that senior team managers didn't know how to coach and work more closely with individuals in store. Because it's cheaper to do this than employ enough people to do the job in the first place. And people wonder how we're a mess.
That's
if this is what the 'courses' entailed, I suspect there was more to it than that...
Doncaster night team are losing merchandisers Manager clothing team Not many staff left gost shop.
Jeanjean is your n/s losing night managers as well as merchandisers and clothing team, if so were are you getting the information have you been told officially..
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Will we be offered redeployment b4 redundancy?
If they can find you hours within your availability, then yes
Thanks, this wait is killing me. I hate the unknown had a full on panic attack the other day and I cant sleep!
Also been ill with the anxiety. Been to docs this morning, yay more pills! :/
Ramjet I understand how you feel.
My husband has also been put on pills and taken on a 2nd job which he thinks he needs to do however not at the cost of his health. We should all be going out on strike! No company that makes £1billion profit a year should be forcing redundancy on anyone.
Can someone explain if there is a cap on so-called parachute payments and what it is?
Personally, I would grab redundancy with both hands and run. Problem being that as I have got over 40 years servitude and only 2 years to go for long overdue parole(retirement) (-*-) It really wouldn't be cost effective to grant me my wish. One of my colleagues with much less indentured time will be put out of their misery instead >:( All to save a few quid to award themselves as a nice little earner. >:D
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Personally, I would grab redundancy with both hands and run. Problem being that as I have got over 40 years servitude and only 2 years to go for long overdue parole(retirement) (-*-) It really wouldn't be cost effective to grant me my wish. One of my colleagues with much less indentured time will be put out of their misery instead >:( All to save a few quid to award themselves as a nice little earner. >:D
Thats what annoys me most there are plenty if staff who want redundancy but will not be offered it and other staff forced to take it that do not want it. How is that legal its certainly morally wrong in my view
It is within the gift of tesco to offer bumping, and any real union would have negotiated voluntary redundancies first, BUT usduuuuur it seems have EITHER not tried to negotiate this with tesco OR have tried and failed. SO you decide whether your union is trying hard enough for its members.
the first one more than likely. they're a f****ng disgrace to the workforce >:D
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It is within the gift of tesco to offer bumping, and any real union would have negotiated voluntary redundancies first, BUT usduuuuur it seems have EITHER not tried to negotiate this with tesco OR have tried and failed. SO you decide whether your union is trying hard enough for its members.
Unsure how that would be feasible? With so many colleagues on different contracted hours, no company would pay a full timer with long service a redundancy payment, in place of a low hour, few years service colleague.
But the future of retail appears to be having multiple employees on short part time flexi contracts. Surely it would make sense to offer voluntary redundancy to people sitting on full time fixed hour contracts. Yes it could cost a lot in the short term but long term the business would be leaner and fitter.
Just been browsing job sites online & there appears to be lots of jobs advertised for travelex in Tesco stores? Anyone heard anything?
I have been with the company 26 years and 24 years ago the store I was in wax offered voluntary redundancy. It was a nightmare. It's not about full or part time, it's about the skills. When the people left we all had to shuffle round afterwards and try and fill the gaps. Targeting a role just removes that role and can be planned for. On the plus side that store ended up with a team of people who were trained in several areas, but it took a while to build. It shook up whole store and people worked hours they had never done before and we lost some of the experts. The feeling in that store was harsh for many years after and is still remembered by all those who went through it.
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But the future of retail appears to be having multiple employees on short part time flexi contracts. Surely it would make sense to offer voluntary redundancy to people sitting on full time fixed hour contracts. Yes it could cost a lot in the short term but long term the business would be leaner and fitter.
Aye that's the future....also why Tesco wants everybody as non dept. specific GA. No one dept being affected, and the whole store absorbs any future hour reductions.
As we all know tesco is very tunnel visioned, there has been talk for years of buying out contracts etc..all to no avail, as the natural wastage option has always been the preference, ever since the Saturday premium buyout. I would wager the remaining full time GA's are few, but they also carry long service records which is around 28k p.p. Why pay that to people who aren't affected and may well retire within the next couple years.
Hi.
Is the beauty world going in stores? I have heard this is happening in the annoucement?
I have heard today from an in-store manager that there is to be a discussion on Monday about cutting all full time workers hours to flexi contracts.
Anyone else heard anything as rather concerned as I have a full time contract?
They do not need to pay PT staff as much sick pay as FT staff when they go off sick for a week. They have 2/3/4/5 PT doing the hours of 1 FT who they can get to do the overtime. More staff are visable visible on the shop-floor to help customers.
Does anybody know what happens to save as you earn and buy as you earn shares if one gets made redundant.
You can have the money back. Buy shares with the money you have built up to keep or sale. You don't have to pay tax on them if made redundant.
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Hi.
Is the beauty world going in stores? I have heard this is happening in the announcement?
From the collective consultations BW management and colleagues is being removed from 9 stores
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QuoteThe supermarket said in a statement on Monday that the main change in its stores would be to its fresh meat, fish and delicatessen areas after it recognized that fewer customers were frequenting those counters.
The grocer said it expected to close counters in about 90 stores, with the other 700 trading with either "a full or flexible counter."
Isn't that the job losses earlier in the year? It sounds identical to those
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47023001 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47023001)
the fact is stuff that was the norm in all stores in the past,is now deemed wrong,and a lot of people have not been trained in the new way of doing things
Trystan1988 you're right, I was unsure as to if there was anything 'new' in this article.
Let's have a vote who wants redundancy me me me
Me as well.
That would be very welcome.👍
Me,me
Just praying for this before the company goes the same way as
BHS
Thomas cook
Woolworths
It's just a matter of time...praying hes coming after the 36.5 hr contract...had can have mine with Bells on it.. :thumbup:
Show me the money 👍🏻
Don't bank on it!!
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Has anyone heard anymore about this?
Have heard a rumour about Tesco making a big statement at the end of the month.
I expect bakery going part back Pfs going pay at pump all security going agency
There is no doubt that this, the final of Daves changes, will be substantial.
Lots of theories, but no-one will know until they are supposed to.
Possibly bring smaller superstores into metro style management - team managers to shift leaders?
I heard rumours again of bakery's, space range and merchandising all being affected. Same every year just waiting to see who's next.
Our SD rep said at the last meeting something going to happen but was embargoed until the anouncment
Hoping it's pi, most nights there's hardly any work!
Heard from a union official high up security are going this time and bakery possible pfs going just pay at pump
I don't get pfs going to full pay at pump, as ours seems to take a lsrge amount of instore cash transactions plus cigarattes and meal deals all sell really well in store.
Dont see how you can cut PI unless it's part of a bigger plan. On both Jason Tarry's Yammer chats, various people have asked why do we bother with promotion changes?
If the business adapted a aldi/lidl model and didnt have promotions you could save huge sums on replenishment and PI wages, stock could also be controlled easier without spikes and dips from the current promo cycle.
We had to hire extra hours for PI and on top of that nights H&B took over role aswell. We never had so many PI hours in the history but still when it comes to promo change its c**p. Always something is missing:D
I am so hoping the bakeries are going.
34 yrs is long enough.
Surely the bakery is going poor sales no investment for years no new products for ages :question: :question:
Maybe next time
Anyone hear any news about the meeting then?
Bakery won't be going new confectionary ovens being rolled out and brioche buns coming in the summer for scratch bakeries.
Morrisons have an over inflated and cheaper management structure. I have a relative that works there, service manager, pi manager, stock control manager, cash office manager in bigger stores as smaller stores don't have them also going. Teams to work for other managers or merged into other teams. Services and cash office report to checkouts, pi move to night team, stock control move to grocery or fresh depending on hours/roles.
So nothing we haven't already seen within tesco.
Our pi team is only busy on promo night
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Blackcat3, snap! Most nights it's hardly worth going in. All we do is help out filling and then people moan they don't have enough to do themselves.
I work in PFS and I honestly hope they offer redundancy. During the day there's very little work to be done as its left to the poor sod in overnight to so, paying someone to be in every night and not serve must be losing money badly
I also work in the pfs , I realy do hope it will go pay at the pump . With all the drive offs and no means to pay Tesco are losing out .This section does not require a manager as it runs it self if you have good staff
Jason Tarry has said on Yammer this week that PFS will not be going to pay at pump only
Any news on remaining superstore night teams going to twilight ...I live in hope 🤞
Dont think anyone on here knows anything about anything at the moment, nothing's leaked for ages
Shift leader/TM structure change looks likely to be announced for superstore.
Blackcat I agree i work on PI dept and its mainly Grocery change theres me who works 7-12 then we another who works 5-1 i can usually do 1000 labels in my time so sometimes i am legal before i go and sometimes not, Rest of the week is easy and have plenty of time to PV and always help filling, So if you think PI have it easy I think you should look at filling as many nights there on therre mobile, walking around the store etc etc So its not us just have it easy i think everyone have it easy not always but on occasions, Our PI runs by it self as its very rare I see my Manager, Tesco is a good company when run right and have the right managers in place instead of putting kids in charge who know sweet fa,
NightAndDay, what makes you say this? Do you have any info or is it just more speculation?
"Shift leader/TM structure change looks likely to be announced for superstore "
Haha. This has been comical so far ;D
@Fatboy, it's pure speculation at the moment, however that being said most managers and switched on CA's have seen it coming since Express went that way afew years back.
Only last year Metros changed, that coupled with the managing by hours instead of payroll introduced last year, the switch to electronic training record cards and online safe and legal books in week 1.
Holiday and overtime eventually moving online too after my shift launching in afew weeks.
Investigatory meetings are now a matter of completing the online training for shift leaders upwards( lead team can dismiss colleagues as long as relevant training is completed).
All colleagues being given there own @tesco logins, plus everything else currently in the pipeline, there won't be much left that Team Managers do if anything that Shift leaders cannot pick up.
Why would Tesco pay most Team managers £24k+ when they can switch everyone to Shift Leader pay.
There's a Team Manager restructure coming, whether it's this year or sometime in the next few years is to be seen.
Suppose it depends if DD wants to go out in a blaze of glory🙂
How can people not see this coming.Senior management also needs a big shake up we dont need 2 senior managers in our super store one of them is getting paid for doing sweet F.A...
The T.M are just overpaid shelf fillers...
Said it all along if you can run a £1million +'extra on a Sunday with just 3 managers in why do you need over 15 on a quite mid weekday
Not happening this year.
No further nights to days this year either.
Nice to see you back m360.
Can you give us any info around what's going on at the moment & in near future? Thanks
Hopefully the bakery will go part bake loads of mangers have been saying the bakery will be next so something is going on
Yeah deffo something going on but too much speculation as to what. Hoping m360 can shed some light on it as he has done many times in the past.
m360 is still around he comes up on the users online but unsure if they have been sussed
Definitely good to see you back on here m360
If they hit merchandising again i'm gone there is little enough time to get everything done, that is unless they put hours back into the business because they realised it was a mistake.
Definitely something going on. Zoom call with Jonathan Taylor for all SMs at 10am Monday followed by a big meeting in the afternoon. Makes me nervous.
Bring on the letter
Good to see m360 back on here
Another day another zoom :thumbup:
Who is Jonathan Taylor, the guy doing the zoom call on Monday, not come across that name before.
Head of superstores and extras.
Hopefully all the TMs will be pumped just like when the TLs went and shift leaders will be introduced to large format. Too many people have had it too easy for too long. Most of the TMs in my old place were too busy thinking they were better than the other. I think they should have 1 Sm, 2 senior and 3 Box Supervisors on the day shift and in stores with a night shift just send a baby sitter.
Great to have m360 back only person who gives us the info we need
In our superstore we have had our non food/clothing TM removed due a "soft" structure change and both departments are being given to the Ambient and Twilight TMs. Any other shops had this done recently?
We had this done in our store (superstore) when they first started getting rid of night team and using the twightlight set up.
we had non food/clothing allocated,to days when it got taken off nights,and the women now come in at 6am to work delivery,seems a silly system really as no one is on non food after 3pm and the delivery comes in each day,just as they are leaving so they are always running a day behind
Any news on remaining security as was told by union area organiser last year we had one year left
Why speculate m360 will tell us at the earliest opportunity. ;)
Common m360 please put us out of our misery........... :-X
We all know there’s a big meeting tomorrow!
No smoke without fire here!!! :(
If there is a big meeting tomorrow, m360 may be waiting until after it has taken place as not to give any indications as to his identity.
Non food and clothing manager has gone and come back in our store 3 times. They take them away and then realise there's not enough duty cover
Who said a Meeting is taking place? Our Store manager is in no sign of him going out today?
Ours on confrence call at the moment
Was it another false alarm then ?
Maybe it's just all about everything going digital. Training , record cards etc.
Lots of small projects removing hours
e.g. IDQ moving to 10%
Counters changing to 9-7 opening
Capping shelves in stores that don’t have them already
Review of pharmacy, PI and trolley models, only small changes to hours
Stores without a combined desk going combined e.g CSD and kiosk moving to one department
Very little redundancy impact in the first quarter, will be lots of conversations around moving hours though.
Nothing on management at the moment, stores that lose lots of hours may have some management roles informally removed, but no redundancy impact.
As I said before, no further nights to days, no shift leaders in large stores at present.
Anything on food stock??
Anything said about remaining tesco security guards
Where will the removed hours go??? Redundancy or just a pay off and less contracted hours?
Thanks for the update M360
So bakery ok for now
Thankyou m360
Yeah thanks again m360, your input is always welcome :thumbup:
Thanks m360 any idea on what’s happening with pi? Just had the brief, was very vague and no details given as yet.
Whats IDQ?
I don't queue.
What do you mean by idq going to 10%
In our store, our counters went to part time and already open 9 to 7, in this case, what will happen to them? Any more changes please?
Thanks m360 the info is very much appreciated.
IDQ the target has been relaxed slightly and they’ve taken away some hours.
Counters if you’re already 9-7 then no change
PI change is quite small however you may be asked to change your hours
No change at the moment on stock control or bakery
They must surely be reviewing the Food Stock Manager role soon, how they can justify paying them for the little work they do is quite astonishing!
I know I have nothing to do, my day passes so slowly and the only time I'm actually busy is when there are colleagues on holiday, even then it's not really a busy dept anymore!
Thank you very much m360
Sorry if this comes across as stupid lol. When you say idq been slightly relaxed, how does that change things I.e 15 min readings and actual queueing at front end thanks
Do we know if pi are losing hours or are hours been changed thank you
Sorry small as in less workload for pi? Our teams already only do 7-11 evenings and 5-9 mornings with no cover thurs-sat evenings and none Saturday Sunday as only gets an hour on the heat map.
our pi team do 9pm til 6am spend most of night filling then morning shift are 7am til 1pm they don't do much at all do not help other depts. so does this mean pi will finally be put on to right hrs or can management continue putting their head in the sand and ignore what is going on
Any thing happening with shift leaders in express store
Our pi currently do a full night shift, generally filling, and the day shift do 4-12. I'm thinking 7pm-midnight and 4-9 will be brought in.
Witch69 - no changes for shift leaders in express.
sounds right our store was supposed to change to the hrs you mentioned about 2 years ago but it never happened all refused to move hrs will it be compulsory now do you think
Flowerpower, if that happens then what would happen to all our hours? We'd all be drastically down on contracted hours. Maybe we'd work more than 1 department.
What do you mean no change to stockcontrol at the moment m360?After all the previous changes in metro surely nothing else can happr? >:D >:D
M360 any thing about security I know there are only a few of us left
@stinkypoo same on ours we have 2 full timers and part time staff as well so we would have a lot of hours cut
stinkypoo I know but back then they offered protected pay dont know if that would still happen hopefully they will use over hrs as multi skilled and we could at least keep ours hours and money I'm not trying to scare people but you must remember all the fuss last time I think some people in other stores lost hrs as you say hrs are supposed to be 7 til 12 on batch one and 3 til 9 on batch 2
the company want everyone who works within Tesco especially those in larger stores to be able to work on all departments This limiting amount of over time spent because they can then take from over contracted departments (PI perhaps in most stores). In our store now we have atleast 7 members of staff that work on multiple departments.....work for 1 manager and that manager moves them to the other department on the MBH tablet.
Just find it a massive insult staff I worked with got made redundant and they were always willing to work on more than one department.Things are so tight in our store now all I can do is my stock routines nothing else,occasionally help on the backdoor when they are short for health and safety reasons......the scope has gone,it's just a miserable grind.Lets hope osi gets knocked on the head in the future redundancy will be most welcome.
Massive focus on OSI on our group right now, so doubt that's going anywhere anytime soon.
Hopefully in the future,didn't appreciate having to investigate it all myself this year p**s take and some.
So when will stores concerned hear about this
Hi does anybody know anything about the bakeries staying or going ?
They said no change for bakery this year further up in the thread
Thank you 👍
flowerpower .... if it's osi your asking about nothing yet it's just wishful thinking on my part.They did stop it in metros so you never know.
Big change at front end guys and PI!!!!
there really isn't
Sure is
What changes for pi
Can you elaborate? :o
There really isn't
Thanks m360 is it just a few hrs changing
Blackcat3, no change for bakeries in Q1. Can't guarantee nothing will happen later in the year.
All the other questions, if it's not listed then it's not impacting all stores in Q1
Those people wanting redundancy, Tesco have finally twigged that it costs a fortune and you lose loads of experience so they are looking to avoid where possible.
Will probably mean that a lot more people will be spoken to around move their hours/department
M360 when you say little change to PI can you explain how little
Main areas I see are front end, team supports trollies and Desk's plus some PI and it's store specific
Funny how not getting redundancy is more depressing than getting it.
Anyone noticed on click and learn, the isn't a team manager role listed.... its only shift runners.... any thoughts?..
Today all managers had a communication that change of right hours needs to happen more quickly, but then they couldn't tell us anymore...? Anyone have any idea what's going on....
So more changes to desk? Already very thin on hours, maybe closing earlier? Not long gone through rhp.
the problem is most stores have managers with" favourites" who get left on cushy hours still,when everybody else gets mucked around with rhrp
The changes to the desk have already happened across most stores, the changes happening now are just the last 100 odd shops catching up to the rest of us.
There's more money to be saved in Supply Chain efficiencies, cutting costs by restructuring the floor level staff to this level gives marginal cost savings at best.
No managers are affected, it's all to do with closing mainbanks earlier and using self serve more and the same in morning, open main bank later. Desk is going to be one manned by the looks of it 😱😱😱
How are team support affected? What time will the main bank checkouts open and close?
Store specific as to what time main tills open and close
Store specific as to what time main tills open and Close.
Does this mean that more SS tills will be introduced and cashiers will eventually become obsolete?
Makes good business sense and eventually every supermarket will be cashier less keeping the profit margins high and wage bill down.
Maybe cashiers need to diversify and learn a job that doesn't involve being fat and sitting down.
That tech is already here to run without cashiers and can be pretty easily brought into every store but the public are not ready for it.
Retail is a dying occupation could see years ago the counters were a big loss (and not just loss leading but bringing customers in)
Pi even in the Ski resorts of Europe the Spar shops all have electronic pos no need for time consuming changes of labels.
Filling the shop the tech is not there yet to retrofit into stores but a ground up custom build you could do it. That would require an overhaul of the entire distribution and manufacturing system to achieve. Picking dot com is a little bit on the way to this.
Impossible to single man desk all the time, we do for breaks then you end up with a queue of 15
Is IDQ not incorporated on the CSD??
Morrisons latest restructuring is concentrated on management, and like tesco, is likely extremely top heavy...what is interesting is that they are adding staff to the shop floor, in particular their "market street" branding section, i.e. ISB, fish and meat counters. Perhaps they are reading the market trends better? Customers are preferring less plastic packaging, moving away from the pre weight, pre packed sections, for healthier food and lifestyle options, individual choice on food weights purchased which, though initially may prove more expensive, it results in less food waste. Small bespoke high street shops are becoming very popular, especially the ones that cater in selling ingredients and daily household goods by weight, with customers re using their own containers. This was quite popular in the early 80's, before the big supermarkets arrived in most towns. Yet in some European countries, the large supermarkets have little pre packed in their produce and in their frozen food sections, it is still big bags and scoops for individual choice.
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What a stupid statement! Your obviously such an arse manager that will hopefully be sacked and not lost through redundancy.
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The cashless pay with your phone Sainsbury's in central London was a bit of a disaster. Everybody ended up having to deal with one or two stressed out front end colleagues. And this would have been tech savvy millennials. Rolling this out across the country to all shops is a long way off.
people have been asked in my extra store if they would like to train up as shift leaders any news on this ?
A lot of metros that moved to the shift leader structure last year have vacancies.
Not sure if there's one in your area?
yeah there is that format in my area but also heard all xtra stores to ask of people want to train up so was just wondering why ??
Is there plans ahead for xtra to follow this style like metro etc
Read my post on page 16.
My Store in the north west all extras to provide a % of headcount for shift leader training. I know m360 u say it's not coming to extra this year but surely this is laying the foundations ready for removal of team manager roles in large stores to bring them in line with metro/express
I really thought bakeries were gonna go with all the rumours.
I guess on the bright side bakers still have their jobs but I know a lot were probably holding out for redundancy.
Shift leaders are going to be replacing team managers, just not yet, the current meetings seem to pertain to getting a uniform structure across the group by implementing the finishing changes in some stores and reducing hours where needed.
If I was a betting man, I'd say any big changes would occur mid to 3rd quarter after seeing the impact to supply chain that Brexit will bring.
Nice that you have the inside information and able to share it.
How is the new job with the new company going?
Really well, thank you for asking. It has really opened my eyes to how underpaid the non-managers who work at Tesco are, even most of the managers now aren't exactly paid appropriately for the work conditions and stress they have to endure. It has also highlighted the contrast in professional attitudes and attributes between typical Tesco managers and project/technical managers and consultants, a big difference being personal integrity and innovative thinking between the 2, less reliance on business buzzwords and more focus on key deliverables.
Making every team and lead manager redundant?
The redundancy bill would be astronomical, not to mention the disruption and vacancies that would be left as hardly any of the shift leader jobs would get filled straight away.
They're saving loads of money by removing management roles informally as departments lose hours, why pay out a fortune in redundancy?
I'm a checkout team support in large format and I'm just counting down the days until we are cut. The changing of SAYS to card only last week is pretty much the final nail in our coffin I'd say
Be very aware, the will be NO team managers this time next year, only shift leaders on peanuts.
I take it shift leaders are very similar role to that of former team leaders or just team managers with a different name?
They need to save the redundancy money for the bakers , not waste it on the managers !
one of the big questions for the future is will team support roles be scrapped with no redundancy,just protected pay for 6 months,so that managers roles can be scrapped and can be re-named shift leaders,again with protected pay to avoid redundancy
There are only so many management jobs in retail, Morrisons, Sainsbury's and soon enough Asda will be cutting down the fat so to speak, if they handle it like the Express restructure, they'll offer the TMs a one off payment to step down to SL level ( most new TMs are on 22.5-24k a year, so it won't be a massive loss in earnings, in fact, SLs can earn more than that with the Express policy on paid breaks for being unable to take it, won't apply to Superstore though).
The retail sector as a whole with few exceptions in a state of decay, with this in mind, most will take the SL position if offered. This will come after Tesco informally remove the management positions they can to save on redundancy costs.
Anyone have info on pi changes plz
When are these changes plz?
In the shift from TM to SL will checkout TS be scrapped then?
I can't imagine it going any other way, as currently SL and TS are the same pay grade so there's no way they'd keep both considering how different the responsibilities are. Unless of course large format SLs are on a higher pay grade than the convenience ones but that kinda goes against the whole convergence of formats that they've been trying to do lately
The level of responsibility Express SLs have compared to their Metro counterparts, if there are going to be disparities based on responsibilities in SL pay, they would be in favour of Express SL purely for the fact they are more often then not, the duty manager (i.e no higher levels of authority in the store at time of working).
Agreed, although we all know that Express workers have normally got the short end of the stick when it comes to this so I suspect the pay will be the same across all formats
The redundancy bill to remove all managers out of large stores would come to billions.
Then you'd lose all the experience in the business as 90% would leave rather than take a pay cut.
Then no-one would want the shift leader vacancies so would cause another massive issue.
It's not happening.
Any chance of the skilled bakers getting redundancy ?
What's not happening m360? Management redundancy or the switch for team managers to shift leaders?
M360. Are you aware of any upcoming changes to dotcom? Thanks
The question is when will people in store actually be informed there are changes occurring?
M360 what is going on with security was told today they dont have hours so will be replacing with agency
They are probably going to wait for brexit to hit before anymore big changes,they will just have to watch Aldi and Lidl go from strength to strength......envy the green eyed monster I said years ago in a managers meeting we need to take a note of what they are doing everyone in the room said no we don't.Typical arrogance,lost too many friends because of that attitude the grind, continues lets hope we all get what we want in the future.
Don't get either why experience matters all of a sudden,stock control and merchandising hasn't been right since last May too keen for a short term fix.Pisses me off,pay your experienced staff more they are more than worth it.👍and somebody admit they were wrong.Yeah right.
M360 has provided a sound insight into future changes and does so in way that does not offend people with generalisations and opinions just because they no longer work in this sector. M360 does not also elaborate on themselves to the extent that like some do they sit from a position of "armchair critic " and "I know best " which currently gets posted on here .
Mickeymouse can i ask you who gave you this information about Tesco security please. I was told on Monday there has to be no changes to Tesco security guards
Sparkles76, they're pretty much the same thing. If you were going to replace a manager's role with a shift leader, you would have to offer redundancy (which the vast majority would take instead of being paid less)
Stinkypoo, unless you get asked to change your hours then you probably won't be.
Fat boy, I've listed the changes for Q1 on page 16
Mickeymouse, security hours are store specific so it will be individual to your store
A lot of people know best ......experience no short cuts to it.
M360....surely stock managers will not be made to wait until after Q1???
Hi M360 Wondered if you'd have any answers for my question please.
Can Wage Clerks expect big changes this year or even redundancies ?
Om12nv, for what?
The informal move of stock managers was initiated back in September and based on the paperwork provided it was given a timeline of 6 months to find alternative suitable role...but if that doesn't happen and the six months is up.....?? The 6 months is up in February according to a previous post!! So that we'll within Q1
They'll keep asking you to move roles and offer alternative local vacancies.
Hi m360, any information with regards to extra stores that trade 24 hours but don't have dot com reducing their trading hours to closing their doors at 12pm and opening up at 6am? This would obviously save on security and front end staff.
The first informal meeting of food stock control managers clearly stated the likelihood of formal process after six months, following a second informal meeting after three months.
M360...good to see you're back...lets hope this time people just take on board what you say, use or don't use the information you provide, without trying to call you out for proof. :thumbup:
@Mildew
Are they following the agreed timescales? Did the second informal meeting take place after three months?
As time goes by your store manager will be under more and more pressure to find you a suitable vacancy.
I very much doubt there'll be a pay out in the next few months.
Good luck to them enforcing a move into a vacancy on an informal basis.
Dougall, there are retail consultants and SMEs that don't work in front end retail anymore, their job is to analyze data based on trends caused by a number of external factors such as Brexit, industry 4.0 and alternative business models, you underestimate the level of expertise and insight these people bring. It is extremely short sighted and foolish to not give any weight to their words of wisdom.
In Tesco there are no words of wisdom. And to the comment about if management were made redundant it would cost billions. Getting rid of all managers and paying them off would cost no more than 10 million. Or knowing Tesco they will just start firing everyone for some ridiculous reason so they don't have to pay out
As you are "Long Gone" you are not in a position to say that someone else who has consistently given reliable information is wrong.
M360 has said huge cost to finishing all managers and the figures are probably right.
They also said that there are issues with retaining shift leaders and this is also correct. Just in my local area this is a huge issue. It was and is an issue in express stores and has continued to be an issue in metro.
I give weight to their words of wisdom....just not yours
If the company offered all managers redundancy they would at a stroke lose years and years of experience.
As shown in last year's stock control and merchandising restructure probably a much higher number of managers would take it than expected and multiple stores would then struggle with skills gaps.
When managers leave of their own accord every year its probably more effective to just not backfill their roles.
Ten million for redundancy for all managers?! :D Our store alone would cost half a million .
Regardless of how they do it, they will do it so there's a sense of congruity between formats, if TMs were made to go down to SL in one format they'll do the same with others. They may well keep lead team and just downgrade the TMs. Metro still has TM positions in place, mass redundancy might not have to be an option.
Surely m360, if the process was 3 month informal then the 6 month informal conversation with Food Stock guys, and the lack of jobs in certain areas, what is the plan do you know?
There is only so many times that can be said, how can the store manager push you into a role that doesn't exist or is not similar to current role. given the lack of jobs, I have only Been asked twice over the last 5 months, and one of these was a PT manager!
They have to keep to their consultation deadlines, any diversion from the process risks breaking the law and becoming susceptible to unfair dismissal cases, make sure you keep the law in mind if they let you go without paying redundancy, specifically that any alternative position offered has to be "reasonable" which could mean no difference in salary, distance to location or work timetable.
Just need to know if pi haven't been told to change is it not happening to us or has no one been told yet thanks
Thanks NightandDay, I've looked into what you have said further, it's very interesting reading in relation to what they can and can't offer to me.
I'm just hoping the latest announcement does not detract from the fact we were spoken to nearly 6 months ago to be told the job is going and integrated into the Stock and Admin role.
Two weeks to go.....
https://www.gov.uk/redundancy-your-rights/suitable-alternative-employment (https://www.gov.uk/redundancy-your-rights/suitable-alternative-employment)
@strebor there hasn't been an official announcement yet just what's been said on here
Blackcat3 ok thanks . Will it be long before we find out do you know . We didn't change hrs on pi last time just trying to find out if we will have to this time thanks
Ours was the same didn't change its usually sometime in Feb and changes come in may unless its leaked like last year
Will have to wait and see then
If managers and or staff from a department like pi are displaced it surely would not always be a redundancy situation. Also I was under the idea that managers signed up to be moved when signed off options.
Just because a member of staff on say pi are not required could they not then be put on say checkouts.
My contract says I am a xxxx department manager. The store assistants say replenishment as opposed to bread and cakes. This changed a year or 2 ago.
I've just been asked for all pi to fill out availability forms. The manager claimed it was store wide. Pretty sure an hour change is coming now.
It would suggest that RHRP is being looked at, as m360 said the SM's had been told in last week's meeting.
Are you on a permanent, fixed hours contract? As the ruling used to be that these colleagues were not obliged to fill in an availability form, but I'm unsure if this is still the agreement ???
I've heard on the grape vine that they're re-introducing the people managers into the shops, but putting them as a team managers instead. And F+F night team is coming back, as well as meat and fish. Dont know how true it is though
So some departments in stores have been looked at and they are over hours mostly checkouts,SAYS as the one in front fail rate has increased to 10% so they think that will make checkouts over hours also SAYS is now card only so they are looking to save hours there,hours are store specific so will vary from store to store also RHRP is being looked at across stores not sure what other departments are affected
All managers at my store were in a 2hour meeting this week - New heat map to come down week 3. One manager told me hours are being stripped back again, I suspect he knows more than he can say.
Got told yesterday we are to lose 10 hours on csd in our store and that's before they stop selling menthol & dual cigarettes 🙄..we single man on all breaks including Saturdays when there's only 2 people on at one time... it's a joke 😡
"Loosing 10hrs", only "two staff on a CSD desk"- poor old you! Try working in an Express for a week. I'd swop with you in a heartbeat.
If that's a big superstore or extra then 1 during breaks on a sat isn't enough. The footfall can be huge and take more than an entire express just in fag sales. And i'm not biased because i say this f****ng hating the desk.
If you do moneygram on your desk, no way will one person cope on a Friday or Saturday
Teddybonkers no need for Poor old you... everyone's in the same boat regardless if it's express or superstore. 🙄 It's a superstore and can guarantee at least 2 money grams go through daily. The only time there are 2 people working at same time Monday to Saturday is between 12.00 & 17.00 All other times we are single manning. That includes a Saturday. As for break cover 🤔 not one person is trained on other departments so we have to rely on the duty manager to cover (which their not happy about) but hey ho tough luck on them.. by the way I have worked in express before so I do know what it's like.
Meant to say 10.00-17.00
Does anyone have any knowledge about rhrp.. I'm sure if you are contracted staff you dont have to fill in a rhrp form..is it in writing anywhere?..I was under the impression it was only for flexi staff..TIA in advance...
Everyone is expected to fill out availability form wether contracted or not . Tesco only have to give so many weeks notice to change anyone's hours , nothing is set in stone
Availability sheets are for everyone, flexi or fixed. If hours are removed from a dept and they go into consultation the availability sheets match you to a role, or not. If you work 8-5 but are available 7-9 you may be offered a shift starting at 7am. The difference is that you won't get a flexi overtime sheet. Once consultation is over you will work the same hours each week, you still may be asked to help out in times of need but you can refuse. You can pick up overtime but it won't automatically come your way.
There may well be some changes to hours coming but it's soft structure so you don't have to. If it suits you and the company/dept you can move and its win win situation. If you can't or won't you don't have to but they can still ask.
Stores don't know any detail yet. How far away it all is I don't know. I just know it's coming and its all going on individual store shopping trends.
People managers are not going back in store as team managers.
Why are staff members asked to fill out availability forms or do RHRP constantly ? It seems to be happening almost monthly. The results from RHRP aren't going to change in such a short period of time and they will have availability results from the last time they did it so what's the point? The incompetence of this company beggars belief
Rhrp will happen a couple times a year every year from now on , there will always be changes .
We have not filled one out for years but think this might change now especially if the pi rumours are true
Huge piece of work coming re RHRP, colleagues will be placed into jobs that match their availability - including moving store if required. Movement of idq to 10% will lead to a sizeable reduction in checkout hours.
RHRP would work if the management working on RHRP actually knew what they were doing in the first place. It wouldn't even be needed if the company was run correctly by the upper echelons.
The problem with RHRP is traditionally Managers ignore what's right for the business in order to keep certain GAs happy - which as instore hours drop is now becoming a issue as our customers increasingly shop early evening and at weekends.
With retail a 24/7 business and other chains closing, we cant continue to carry a load of Mon-Fri earlies only staff.
Use my old store as an example. We had 70% of the department finishing at 2 o clock in the afternoon because they came in early. Only me in late at night on my own to manage a full department by myself. RHRP was done and they were told to do a 10-7 shift at least once and one late night each until 10-11pm. It lasted about 2 weeks before they complained about it and the manager just put them back on their old hours and people like myself had to face the brunt of it. I complained about it big time but nothing got done, then management had the cheek to try and tell me I had to do more late nights when I already did 3 and the others went back to doing none
Movement of idq to 10% will lead to a sizeable reduction in checkout hours. Can someone explain how this works per quarter of an hour
10% means that the schedule is designed so that 10% of customers have to queue any given 15 minutes where before that target was 7.5%. This needs fewer hours because you need fewer tills on if you are going to accept more people queuing.
For example, if before you had 100 customers going through the main bank in 15 minutes then your idq target for that slot would be 7(you can't have half a person). That's the number that appears in the daily checkout performance screen that you get either a fail or a pass on. With the new target it means that you can now make 10 people queue in that same 15 minute period.
So if you needed 6 tills on to pass idq at 7.5% then you might only need 5 on to pass at 10%. The scheduler system is adjusted to account for this and demand fewer tills as appropriate using computer voodoo.
Self service targets also went up not so long back. Now 50% of customers should be going through self service. It's all to do with idle time and IDQ. We need to pass IDQ but not by too much. If we pass big time we have colleagues not doing anything. The system can't be cheated and some of the idle time is being removed. However, it's soft structure. No jobs at risk.
Reading between the lines this is not a random decision. The point is to clearly incentivise customers to be using scan as you shop and self service more. I predict in the coming years this is a prelude to reducing conventional checkouts to nothing over time.
Simplest way to encourage self serve or scan as you shop is to give a bonus to customers who use it ie discount or extra clubcard points. Manning tills costs the business more, so shouldnt some of the savings the business makes thru using self service go to the people who use it?
That would be simple but it would p**s off a lot of long standing customers.
If you want service by a cashier you pay for it, if you want it at cheapest price you do it yourself. Personally think money talks and a lot of groans would stop.
Out of interest does this mean those of who are till trained but are contracted to other areas e.g. Grocery will spend more time answering service calls rather than less?
Can't say too much in case it identifies myself but one common complaint is customers being unable to find someone on the shop floor when they are looking for stock etc.
In theory it shouldn't make any difference tree service calls. If anything there would be less. In theory...
Our store is looking at losing around 30-40 hours off tills, the brief we have been given is that there will be no change on how the team support manage IDQ.
That coupled with potentially less team support hours too, less hours on CSD, which Checkouts will end up covering when busy, always having to double man the PFS ( including break cover) again checkouts covering.
I foresee more call outs, the move to 10% is just a cost saving exercise and customers will still expect/demand that a checkout is opened up if they are queuing.
They don't care about the new 10% target and won't expect to be that 10% either!
Couple with the issue of the company increasing the self-service target without putting more self-service into stores it's just going to make the issue worse!
Queuing at main bank, queuing at self-service and queuing at CSD!
Looks like customers will be getting great service from the frontend when it gets busy!
You've got to realise,the people number crunching and coming up with these decisions are so far removed from store day to day running operations........they may aswell as be working in a totally different sector.The only outcome is less of everything,including customers.Like I've said before nothing feels right,you've got a toxic work environment where you never know what's around the corner.Change yes,but this much I bet Aldi and Lidl are laughing.👍🏻
In my honest opinion the people who crunch numbers for things like checkout schedules actually do a s*** hot job.
The problems come when stores and managers don't follow the processes properly and f*** the system up. Then they complain that it doesn't work.
Most of the damage in terms of in store performance is mostly down to managerial underperformance and not following the correct process.
So it looks like Tesco is finally going to get rid of all stock control staff and pi, with the new equipment they are trialling
in some stores at the minute.
Check out what they have been using.
https://connect.zebra.com/smartsight?tactic_type=SLO&tactic_detail=RT_SmartSight+Global+Launch+Organic+Campaign_LinkedIn_NA_None
ESELs will get rid of PI quicker than that thing. It doesn't look like it can do much of stock control except say when a product needs replenished? Fascinating stuff though.
How will ESEL be implemented when merchandisers are constantly changing shelves and redoing new plans and having to raise or lower shelves or remove them completely because they are not needed, it sounds like something else to go wrong
It's just a little LCD thing that clips into the shelf edge. Can be changed and moved easily.
Ah I see, doesn't it have to be connected to anything with wires or is it all wireless?
I can already imagine so many wrong readouts on these things because they will be purchased on the cheap, if they anything like the pdas that never work that is
Anybody know if there going to get rid of night fills in superstores?
It's wireless and has a barcode. Doesn't use much power because it's like a Kindle so once the display is updated it doesn't use any power so doesn't need to be plugged in. Like you said Tesco usually cheap out with this stuff so I'm sure there would be some horrendous flaw with it haha.
The ESELs won't need to be moved if the displayed info is centrally
processed. Only downside is cost of replacing if heavy handed customers/colleagues/shoplifters damage it.
Let's hope they get rid of stock control can't wait.
Why would you wish people would lose their jobs. This is peoples livelihoods >:(
Dont think Tesco is planning large scale redundancy so even if depts roles do change you are likely to be moved to a different position instore
the store I worked in last was notorious for power cuts and systems failing or shutting down constantly, literally every week there was an issue so I dread to think of all labels became electronic and systems not working
@lambchop it was said earlier in post that no nights to days this time
Thanks for the post starworker. I know of many store managers who'd love one of these for Xmas.
Even less need to speak to their lowly staff ....
I do believe I was speaking for myself,i wouldn't wish anybody out of a job but personally working for this company which has no scruples about who it off loads,has worn beyond thin.Seeing the mental health of friends and colleagues being challenged everyday isn't pleasant.s*** hot clever number crunchers,bless em what equation do they use on a human level.......and yes I know they are paid to do a job.
toscos is overseen by greedy, nasty, capitalistic scumbags as are the majority of large companies. unfortunately it will only get worse
Thoughts on checkout main bank hours changing?.....
It's a situation of attrition, it's how much can Tesco cut from it's means of production (the bottom line) before customers shop elsewhere due to lack of service function or quality (due to lack of front line resources). At this point, Tesco is relying on the "buy in" from their management and leadership teams and its conservative demographic to continue to support them while providing a gradually worsening service. And just like with general elections where the heartland voters vote for the colour of the ribbon regardless of what's wearing it, conservative customers will still continue to shop regardless of how much they're getting ripped off.
Main bank opening times are going to be store specific.
Imagine my shock and anger to walk into work tonight to have all the checkout staff look at me this pi full time and one for them ask if I'm alright? Oh I'm sorry to hear about your hours. Apparantly some manager in my store has been telling people pi are to lose 40 hours and it will prob result in me losing my full time position. I'm outraged my livelyhood is the subject of gossip
I found out tonight that pi is being restructured, all paper work going online from week 1. But my manager did not know!
Bloody unbelievable!! You'd think by now, after all the practice, tesco would be past masters in dealing with the restructuring and following process, regarding informing those affected first and foremost.
Don't jump the gun though...you will have rumours abound...if it is correct, you will almost certainly be informed by your SM "there will be no redundacy", depending on your circumstances, either take an alternative role offered, which will likely be less hours, or hold out for redundancy.
Why do they do this time after time the conference call was over a week ago staff should be informed straight away . Pi always the same small dept they dont think its important, stinkypoo will paper work going on line really make a big difference we have lost a lot over the years not that much anymore has your manager found out exactly what's happening
tobybeecher 40 hrs seems a lot what size store are you have you spoken to your manager it's a disgrace
tobybeecher 40 hrs seems a lot what size store are you have you spoken to your manager it's a disgrace
Strebor, we hardly ever have enough work for everyone every shift. Only grocery promo keeps us going. They'll probably use online paperwork as an excuse to cut hours!
If it is the case that the department is coming under restructuring and loss of hours, you will likely be given an availability form to complete.
If you are in a position to accept redundancy, then state only your contracted hours and times to the same as you are on now. If you are keen to remain, then only state what Windows and amount of hours you are able to work/ drop to.
When it has happened before we have had people thinking they will dictate their hours so they would put availability of 9-3 mon-fri. Then when there wasn't a job for them their availabilty changed. Yes you need to do what's right for you but this is a business that runs (in some cases 24hrs a day) but 5am-midnight 7 days a week. There is no such thing as a monday to friday job in retail.
we have managers and several ga's who work mon-fri on .com and nights,so obviously if the face fits it's still ok
Stinkypoo you are probably right do you think you could pick up hrs on other depts you work on at least your wages are covered if they let you do that
The reality of retail is not working office hours. Some will be given some office hours shifts and jobs as we still need those hours filled. Some have had for a while. What we see with restructure is that evenings and wknds are factored into new shift patterns. This may in time result into those who only work office hours having trouble fitting into new structure hours going forward.
In a store near me all the CSD colleague have a late night each but all want off but it has not been allowed. If you have one colleague that is willing to do 5 late shifts that works until sickness and holidays. People always say they will do the lates to support but don't want them contracted, the reality is they never do. Recently one colleague in my store closed down the desk one evening but it had been years since last time she did it. Had to come in to learn how to do it. A small team needs flexibility as few people to pick up shifts. A large team needs it too as they have more shifts to cover.
I much prefer quiet days off during the wk but my retail hours have suited me for nearly 30 years because of this.
The way to resolve this is premium payments for unsociable hours, nights are fine (for now, I can see staff retainment being an issue for night teams if they don't maintain night premium payment differentials) but say, an extra £1.50 an hour between 8pm-11pm would help with this supply demand issue.
Can't see Tesco offering the incentive suggested above. Remember is only a couple of years since they did away with NP1 for the night shift staff.
You might think reading this nobody wants to work evenings but the reality is people will and do, and Tesco know they can fill the hours without giving extra pay on top of the usual rate.
People do, but it's always going to be short term as they're usually casual workers or students which results in high recruitment and training costs. By implementimg a minimal 3 hour evening premium window they'll save money in the long term.
If paperwork goes online that will affect pv which fills some of the time as we are only busy on grocery change and the h&b change but the last h&b wasn't as busy
Blackcat3, same in our shop! We had h&b done by 10pm last time; all we do is fill at night and then the day crew fill a bit more when they come in. This has been going on for months now.
Seeing as most promotions rotate (one cycle on and next off) the business could save serious hours in PI by adopting the discounters model and just having a set low price.
With regular leavers you could probably move PI staff into replenishment or tills.
They are reducing hours on checkouts as well maybe for part time staff but what about full time staff I don't think the hours are in replenishment to move people
In my store they are attempting to reduce over 200 hours on checkouts, and over a thousand across the store. It's a highly stressful time for everyone. When I see in the news that other big name companies are struggling, I try to remind myself the company is just trying to survive, but right now it feels like service is being greatly affected (none of us staff will even go near the place on our days off, as it's so understaffed). But also the health and safety of staff, who are trying to do the work of three or four people
You don't try to do the workload of numerous staff...you do your usual work, at your usual pace...as in your job description and nothing more...if you're told you're expected to cover more hours, ask to see your allocated hours for each task, and for a capability study.
Eee pet...if you're going down, you go down fighting :)
Hi folks
Has anyone heard about hours changing on Counters. Thanks in advance..
it's store specific for counters as far as our store manager told us
The IDQ target has gone from 8% of customers not receiving IDQ to 10%. The self service target changed a short while ago to 50% of customers going through self service. These wo things have reduced hours on checkouts. The aim is not to reduce service but to reduce idle time on checkouts.
The changes that are made are down to individual shopping trends in different stores. If you get 1-2 customers going through a main bank till first thing in the morning or last thing at night it could be that the main bank tills open an hour later or close and hour earlier and it's just self service for that time.
If you pass IDQ by huge numbers during school hours you may have hours cut, to reduce idle time.
So, if you are within the cut in hours the move is not enforced. It's "would you be able to start an hour later" sort of conversation. If fresh struggle at that time of day you may be asked if you would support fresh for an hour before you start your checkout shift. If you refuse you are not out of a job but you don't have the right to sit idle on a till so you could still be pulled to work on shop floor. Could be PI, stock control, fresh or grocery. It's all about putting hours where they are needed.
Stock control etc have to support checkouts when needed. This is now working the other way, it's that simple. If you are not required to serve a customer at the tills you need to support your store in delivering a better shopping experience for that customer. There are numerous different ways you can do this and if you have health issues and can't work on the shop floor due to lifting you may be offered doing PI. It's about a two way flow and making the most of the hours that are in the business without people losing jobs.
If you have time on your hands and you are able to chat and are not under pressure to deliver your job role it may well come to you. We are all one team and checkouts are very good at delivering service at the front end but they are not so good at giving back. Things can change very quickly and we can go from no customers to queues in a very short space of time but that is why colleagues from the shop floor need to support. This is just giving back. Some people may choose to move hours or dept, that is win win situation. Some will resist. Change is often scary. This is soft structure change, no jobs at risk and no forced movement of hours or Depts.
"If you have time to chat""
So what about pfs nightshift , I could chat , read a book , watch a movie , run a marathon around it and that's after doing the things I have to do . It's so quiet , I spend at least half my shift getting paid to do nothing !!
My understanding is that PI is part of this soft structure. Your time of easy money may well be over.
Well the pi team in my store don't have it easy! They fill every night...
It's about time checkouts were made to help out in other areas of the store. It's been going on for years in which us shop floor guys are supporting checkouts time and time again, when under alot of pressure ourselfs. We all work for the same company, about time this happened 👍
Sounds like it's very different in my store..
Checkouts are so busy that there's barely time to visit the rest room! We call for support from other departments, which doesn't come. And yet we will close a checkout to lend them a person for replenishment, drag out or to cover PFS, CSD, Dot Com and even trolleys!
We've also been told there will be job losses. And no redundancy, as a job is there, in a different time slot/department/even store, and if staff don't accept that, they are willingly leaving. Today I was told the minimum hours someone can be contracted for is going to increase. It used to be 8, which was mainly for students. Now it's increasing, not by a lot, but a few hours. We have a couple of very competent, hard working employees who won't be able to accept the increase, due to family and other commitments. It's going to be a blow if we lose them
Does anyone know when the official announcement will be released for the affected areas also @cinderella we have full time staff that are in the areas that are rumoured to be changing and I don't think there is full time jobs to accommodate staff not in our store anyway
@Redshoes
Welshie said PFS not PI !!
@Cinderella
They'll tell you any old c**p, and hope you'll believe it...no redundancy as job is there in different time slot/ department/ even store....only if you're matched to the availability Windows you've agreed to, as for store?? Well that depends on locality. Regarding the employees who can't work more hours?? They have a contract of core hours, if the new hours are more than their core hours, their contract hours can't be increased to accommodate.
@Redshoes
From your usual stance and replies I take it you are either a checkout manager or team support, as you often state how shopfloor should be supporting the checkouts under the "one team" banner!
Indeed your last post stated that..." Stock control etc have to support checkouts when needed. This is now working the other way, it's that simple" therefore am I to take it that all of the checkout teams are fully trained on stock control routines, readily available to assist in delivering the set targets within daily set timescales for the s/c department to achieve green...stock control are expected to be trained on checkouts, how many checkout teams are trained to use a PDA, count stock on or wipe off, check bookstocks, locate and instore, gap scan, DSS, product enquiries etc...etc...yep..."it's that simple" :-X
Have you personally ever used a PDA for stock control enquiries and routines?
And to add further to the above....how many cashiers, who have helped on the shopfloor, return to a backlog of customers waiting for them to catch up, like the backlog of routines waiting for the shopfloor colleagues when they eventually get to return to their own departments...many are away from their sections for hours, "supporting" whilst the cashiers are sent for their breaks, ignoring the fact that most of the "supporting" shopfloor colleagues are way past their due break times!
The most time cashiers spend on shop floor supporting is 15 minutes tops!! And then it's only filling...so no payback or use to stock control there then...One call to return to checkouts, off they go...never to be seen again! Immediately followed by the checkout manager calling all the shopfloor colleagues back again, regardless of the fact they've not long got off the checkout...and then given the third degree if they say they're going on an overdue break... :-X
I'm really getting confused...
Obviously, you can only be asked to carry out a role if you've been trained on it.
Personally even though I'm a checkout worker I started out working counters before moving to tills, and have been trained on Produce, Grocery, Backdoor, Fresh, self-service and Trollies.
Obviously, I help support other departments when there is a quiet spell.
This doesn't seem to be about that,. Despite what Redshoes says it really seems more about cutting hours on checkouts. Checkouts won't be "supporting" these departments but instead workers will be moved onto other departments whether they like it or not...
... and to add, I can't think of realistic scenarios where it makes sense to move someone from Checkouts to Stock Control for only an hour in a shift.
I hate to s*** on the drama here but as an ex checkout and compliance manager I'm pretty sure in most cases this will be dealt with through natural wastage because checkouts had incredible staff turnover anyway. You guys who are staying in the department probably won't know much difference except being asked if you can tweak your shifts when someone leaves.
Number one gripe from my staff and others. Checkouts never let us off if we go on. Also because the checkout manger reports tot he store manager we have to support them so strore manager gets to say the department he overseas always passes but it f***s over the shop floor.
Or the checkouts havnt managed their holidays properly despite your department being right. So you suffers as they have huge holidays at this time of year and the shop floor has to cover.
Bottom line is if you as a team manager you fail to deliver sba, sales, waste, shrink etc it is down to you alone to fix it with your team.....
Yet if as a checkout manager you cant pass IDQ you can pull resource from all other depts to deliver.
I may have picked on the wrong area when I used stock control as an example but it still is what it is. For years people have been complaining about a one way flow to checkouts and even though there is built in time to support checkouts there is resentment. It is now saying that checkouts have to give back, they can't sit idle on a till and do nothing. The idle time is looking to become as big a target to manage as IDQ.
As for the rest, nobody know how to do something until they are trained. It's unrealistic to expect a full checkout team to all train in stock control, I should maybe have said fill fresh or grocery. In the store I work in we have a few early morning checkout colleagues trained to support PI. We have another few who like to support in fresh and in the evenings they can support with grocery, even if only facing.
We don't have any checkout operators that are trained on stock control but we do have two stock control colleagues who regularly pick up overtime on checkouts.
I have done nearly 30 years with the company. I have worked in several stores and in most Depts over the years. I am personally comfortable with a PDA but a bit rusty on the stock control side of things. This is not however about me.
People have been complaining on here for years about having to support checkouts. They have also complained that checkouts are not always as busy. The company (not me) is now saying they need to reduce idle time at checkouts, it's specific to store how it's done but idle time will be reduced. People are now saying on here they don't want untrained checkout colleague helping them. They are only untrained until they are not. Until this settles and kicks in can we aim to support each other. Checkouts are still colleagues going through structure change, even if soft structure. As a company we have often put people on checkouts with health issues so they may well be very worried about how this will all affect them. In my store and a few others I have worked in we have tended to have long serving colleagues on checkouts, many fall within long term absence. Last year we had a bad time after Christmas with just two long term absence people come back and then need holidays. Dot.com tends to be only dept bigger than checkouts. The company are saying that there is a resource we are not effectivlly using but it's going to take time to land, it is far from problem/issue free but the two way flow could be much better.
If you are one of those people who complain that the checkout staff who can now leave tills when its quiet arent' trained, help them out and show them. Yes, for the short term it will slow things down, but in the longer, it will help you and them.
I for one am glad that as a part of the checkout team I can now leave my till when its quiet and help out, I don't like how the company went about it, i.e. making more people redundant, but that's something outside of my control. I'm lucky, I didn't need someone from shopfloor to show me how to fill correctly, as I used to fill at my old store, so I have shown others and I know staff on other departments appreciate it as they've told me (inc. managers)
8-) aye in an ideal world maybe... 8-) stock control is a complex department, it's not only about training, it's about understanding the reasons things are done a certain way, and the impact it can have on the store and shrink if it is done incorrectly. It's not as easy as, here's a PDA point and scan...someone getting off a checkout for even an hour, will have little impact on helping the dept out, as it takes that long just to go through the different screens available for each scenario, never mind understand and remember them. It's pointless putting a checkout person on the section, at the wrong timeframe window. An hour would help to do a gapscan, but that would need to be done first, early morning, and how many checkouts are manned at that time?
Colleagues are taken off their departments for a long length of time to train on checkouts, yet the same timeframes aren't given for cashiers to train on other depts, so their "help" has little, if any impact. Most cashiers don't even get training on their own depts...how many are put to train on CSD or in the cash office, during their idle time, or any time. Non, as again both depts are more complex, other than serving the fags or lottery, they again have little impact, as they can't cover breaks, due to being untrained on every routine and scenario.
In Express, unless it's a 40-50k a week sweetshop, designated till people have always been expected to work delivery/rumble the front ends of the stores while being sole checkout person.
Back in my twilight years I had to do scratchcard counts, news and mag returns/deliveries, costa machine cleaning cycle and 2 aisles of delivery while being sole checkout person. Superstore has had it too easy for too long.
You were trained to do all these routines though?? I don't think anyone minds working different depts, variety is good. The frustration here is that it's all one sided, and workload and routines are backed up, to then see a cashier go face up an aisle for ten minutes is pointless. It's not about cashiers, it's about the muddling along without any proper plan of action.
All new vacancies should be filled by people who are immediately trained on every dept...so when the store is recruiting it should be taking volumes on rather than dept specific individuals, then rotate those people for two weeks training on each dept...but it doesn't happen because everyone is taken on as a temp, on short hour/term contracts, the older trained are leaving or taking redundancy. One of Tesco's core values was " sharing the knowledge" that was a core value for a reason, yet very few people have ever heard of the core values, they're no longer displayed on posters throughout anymore ???
Hi there
Just wondered if you have had an actual brief? I work for PI but have not been told what's happening yet. Hope your job is ok and it's just a gossip
Mojo2012, I work in pi but not been told anything other than it is being restructured and paperwork going online from week 1.
Hoped we would heard something by now this waiting is not good
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Looks like we won't find out probably till week 1
Fingers crossed we will hear soon 😁
Regarding pi I can confirm it's not a rumour definitely a reduction in hours, each store be different based on what hours your pi work.
EtUKL are they doing away with nightshift do you know?
m360 has posted recently saying nightshift will not be going.
I think that was for replenishment not pi
Unsure was just told we were over hours but not where those hours were.
Our store currently has 2 shifs. Evening of 7pm-12am
Morning of 3am -8am and a full timer doing 3am till 11am. Do you think we are already on the correct hours or will they change even more?
I'd say yours were right apart from the full timer. We have 2 night shift 8-5 and 2 day shift 4-11. I think the night people will get moved/got rid of...
Yikes 😣
EVERYTHING in the Q1 Business Plan is store specific. No store will be the same. All soft structure as described and no redundancy going forward. Price Integrity has seen a Price Dashboard created (which is available to see now via store apps). This is everything you need to know about PI in one app. Paperwork aspect is only a selection of reports not completely paperless. In my store it will have little impact on our PI team. Checkouts yes will lose hours from going to 7m5% to 10% but I wouldn't anticipate it being hindered unless you are currently already heavily over manned. CSD and Kiosk are combining to one department and would therefore anticipate loss of hours on there. Checkout hours in some stores are going 8am to 9pm as main bank and rest through self service and scan as you shop.
If you are someone really wanting redundancy then unfortunately this will not happen. Most likely scenario as we launch what I beleive is called ^MyHours^, an app to see your working shift pattern for the week, and as the HRAM system is potentially changing then I would expect to see a dual contract department in place. E.g. Checkouts doesn't open till 9am, Can you move x to 9am? X -No. Ok then we are going to look I into utilising 6am-9am on Dot com. It's all wait and see but don't expect massive changes in our store.
They told merchandisers last year there would be no redundancies and we lost 2 out of 3 of ours in our store were both shocked to be going it was decided purely on availability form
In the brief to merchandisers last year they SHOULD have been informed that their job was at risk of redundancy if could not be job matched same with stock control. if your store were not told this then process was not followed. The Q1 business plan clearly states there will be no staff to be made redundant.
They only found out in the final meeting but they wanted to go then anyway the one that stayed was gutted they didn't get redundancy how many hours can they reduce you by without having to offer redundancy as there seems to be a big range in hours across different stores
Word is the new heat map comes down wk 3 to be sent back for wk 5 and this will then be reviewed. It could be that in wk 3 it may shoe the reduced hours for checkouts, CSD and PI. Until the reduced hours show it's hard to know.
Even then the heat map shows the base hours for the quiest wk of the whole year so you should not sit at base hours, you should be over. If checkouts sit at 30 hours over for example it's not the same as stock control being 30 hours over as by percentage the difference is huge. If checkouts are over by 30 hours but have 600 contracted and stock control are over by 30 but contracted to 200 it is not the same.
Checkouts, self service, scan as you shop and team support are seen as different Depts in this aspect. If on the tablet you have someone on checkouts who does a regular shift on self service this can be changed on the heat map but not on the store register. Then after that if checkouts are over but self service are under they can balance on paper and in reality.
If the manning hours for checkouts change this will have potential bigger impact on checkout colleagues but if as suggested they don't man main bank tills until 8am and somebody has checkout hours from 6am it's a conversation to see if they are able to move hours or tasks.
How far this ever goes will depend on how individual stores. If they already sit heavy on being over hours it will add to that. This will reduce the amount of overtime available to the whole store. The pressure may not be on to correct the hours and soft structure but to go from red on hours to Amber or green to hit hours targets is different. If you are talking one shift per day of one hour it's only 14 hours in wrong place and a drop in the ocean for checkout hours. That is why it's individual stores and not all stores will go to same main bank manning hours.
Then there is Sunday hours. England and Scotland trading hours being so different. Stores are even sifferent in Scotland. Do we need a main bank till open from 6, 7 or 8am on a Sunday morning?
8-) dear god 8-)
What make are these tablets, as I'll look out for an influx of them on eBay within the next year.
If all these changes are mainly store specific, then what's the point of them, as the info is only as good as those who input it, and therefore people can and should be managed by ermm...managers ??? Senior and SM should be earning their inflated salary and bonus', not being rewarded for fixing the figures and screwing the staff over to get them.
Team managers should know their team, know who can work elsewhere and when. RHRP should be in place and a monthly managers meeting should be discussing who and where is the cover next four weeks? The seniors should be ensuring their team managers are supported with cover for sick/ unexpected leave.
If these tablets are to be the all singing all dancing solution, then I expect the seniors and SM are in the firing line for, "NO REDUNDANCY" but the soft structure change of covering two or three stores, two days in each. No old pals club then, they will be seen on their input and performance in managing each store, and their shortfalls will become blatantly obvious.
Any news on Dotcom and Pickers in Store?.
Rumor has it that Meetings are in place with Dotcom Team Manager, Store Manager and Dotcom Regional Manager together in each store in the next week or two. Then Staff will be briefed.
I wouldn't be surprised if the heatmap is done across the store so they can reduce as many hours as possible
Could m360 be so kind as to shed some light on the dotcom situation please.
After reading the comments about checkouts I don't miss this company since taking redundancy. I've been with a rival company now for over a year and have never been till trained or been called to the checkouts.
The company have enough staff on the checkouts at all times so I can get on with my job.
It makes me laugh now not hearing "Red class service to the checkouts" every 5 minutes ;D
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Tesco used to have all the tills manned during opening hours, with everyone else free to do there own jobs, then someone had a so called better idea, well a cheaper one maybe.
What a palava !! this is all being done to get rid of the old style contracts !! nobody on a contract is safe the only positive outcome for one is to keep fighting the system......... I laughed when they asked me to go on checkouts and still laughing now... what I do know is not one of these managers would talk to me the same way outside the business as they try to inside. Not sure why others are not standing up and using the 2005 agreement the union has with the company. All the bullsh+t about mental health and they are the main cause trying to be like a lesser company like Aldi............yes they have truly lost there way. Dave and his £5 mill shows the greed at the top.
What about dot com?
any job losses or restructure on dotcom instore? @m360
I listed the changes on page 17, not sure where the rumours about dot com are coming from.
Well said Batmanjo perfect summary, especially the mental health c**p they are causing themselves.Like I've said in a post on depression they want suing for neglecting/not giving a s*** about their duty of care to staff.
Any updates on pi yet
Strebor, not been told anything in my store!
Nothing been said in our store yet just that heat map comes down week 1
Heat maps are being sent down in week 3.
Before that, every colleague will need to fill in a new availability form even if they have recently completed one.
Unlike the previous availability forms, the new one doesn't list any departments so it's just about what hours/days you are available to work.
All managers need to go to a workshop called "moving hours" before week 1.
It's a move to reduce hours in the business
Bakery being affected. Meetings just taken place. Reducing range. Redundancies are on the table.
And they wonder why people shop elsewhere and certain retailers are increasing their market share, year on year... :-X
I wonder how long it is before they twig and realise 99.9% of our stores are too large to try and emulate the discounter model?
our bakery losing scratch brown 62 hrs and keeping scratch white . all having to availability for our jobs
Wonder whats happening with regards to skilled pay for bakers?
Surely if they're still making scratch white products it must stay?
i imagine the pay will stay. as GA can't make scratch :thumbdown:
losing scratch brown 62 hrs
No way does making brown products take 62hrs I reckon 7 hours a week to make brown products, if they are saying that three mixes a takes 8hrs each day then how long does it take to make all the white dough, someone's trying to pull a fast one
What happens to bakers that their store is going all part bake.
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losing scratch brown 62 hrs
No way does making brown products take 62hrs I reckon 7 hours a week to make brown products, if they are saying that three mixes a takes 8hrs each day then how long does it take to make all the white dough, someone's trying to pull a fast one
there was more too it .. i just had a break down of it .. it would be spread over packers and bakers and yeah some fiddling no doubt.
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losing scratch brown 62 hrs
No way does making brown products take 62hrs I reckon 7 hours a week to make brown products, if they are saying that three mixes a takes 8hrs each day then how long does it take to make all the white dough, someone's trying to pull a fast one
Standard Tesco head office thinking. Add a routine or job "this job only take 2hrs a day" take the same job away. "this will save 10hrs
There's now a message from Jason Tarry on OurTesco about it.
Amazing the email from Jason Terry arrived the very second sky a anounced it
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Amazing the email from Jason Terry arrived the very second sky a anounced it
Probably the other way round but someone at SKY was quick to type up a headline. Here we go again.
Bakery has been on the chopping board for a while. They’ve had it all planned since the changes last year and chose to make all these cuts over a longer period to soften the blow.
Is there a list of effected stores?
any advice what availability to put, to get redundancy ?
Bakery staff get ready for record numbers of Investigations, disciplinary meetings and store management will be trying to get you rise to the bait. Drastic Dave's last round of improvements. Customers will see through the smoke and mirrors all too soon.
On the availability we won’t know until the new heat map, guessing the info is contained in that.
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any advice what availability to put, to get redundancy ?
Just put what your doing now and hope for the best.
I was in the last lot of redundancy I put exactly my hours and no movement, got redundancy There is life after and I don’t regret it Flexibility is what they want now
What counts as big store, ours got hit 6 months ago already...
Worried about what to put on the availability form, we got told if we put we can only work full time and theres no full time jobs for us then we would lose our jobs so i dont know whether to put less hours in the hope of still taking another job.
So stressful.
Sincerely hope all the people affected by this stick to their morals and refuse to do hours that suit managers and the high hegions. If you want redundancy be as unhelpful as you possibly can with them when you get your consultation. No hours more and no hours less than you are doing already. That’s what I’ll be doing. Another ridiculous decision from this company now run by clowns
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losing scratch brown 62 hrs
No way does making brown products take 62hrs I reckon 7 hours a week to make brown products, if they are saying that three mixes a takes 8hrs each day then how long does it take to make all the white dough, someone's trying to pull a fast one
Standard Tesco head office thinking. Add a routine or job "this job only take 2hrs a day" take the same job away. "this will save 10hrs
If they are talking about removing 62 hours from our bakery that's more than 25% of our existing hours believe me brown products do not account 25% of our takings
Looking like anyone left behind will be working themselves to an early grave
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Quote from: ian1960 on 25-02-20, 01:17PM
losing scratch brown 62 hrs
No way does making brown products take 62hrs I reckon 7 hours a week to make brown products, if they are saying that three mixes a takes 8hrs each day then how long does it take to make all the white dough, someone's trying to pull a fast one
Standard Tesco head office thinking. Add a routine or job "this job only take 2hrs a day" take the same job away. "this will save 10hrs
If they are talking about removing 62 hours from our bakery that's more than 25% of our existing hours believe me brown products do not account 25% of our takings
Looking like anyone left behind will be working themselves to an early grave
62hours for brown mixes?! What a joke. Easily can be done within 2hours. 2hours a day x 7 = 14hours a week.
Packers will also be affected by this and bakery managers for what it's worth, it isn’t just skilled bakers
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Worried about what to put on the availability form, we got told if we put we can only work full time and theres no full time jobs for us then we would lose our jobs so i dont know whether to put less hours in the hope of still taking another job.
So stressful.
It will ask you the minimum number of hours and the maximum number of hours you are prepared to work on the flexibility form. Think about the minimum you would be able to afford to do if necessary before filling it in.
Bakerbum where did you get the specific 62 hours? As I was under the presumption they won't know what hours are looking like untill week 3.
With regards to the browns, it's not just production, it's baking them and packing them aswell which is more time. We understand that all hotplates are going too. ( what a waste of investment)
I hope they don't make too much cuts that leaves us to the bare bones because we do well on our sales but totally understand getting rid of brown production/pancakes. I think if they do you will lose customers elsewhere that prefer fresh products if you're sold out all the time.
M360 missed this one the post was bakery nothing happening
I think he/she said nothing happening this quarter (jan-feb-march)
likely scenario bakerys got to drop hrs so a chunk off each full timer and bingo no more full time staff
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any advice what availability to put, to get redundancy ?
If you want redundancy....just put the days, hours and shifts and dept you do now on your availability form. You may get told you should be putting least/ most hours you're available to work and least/ most days you're available...they're lying.
If you don't want redundancy...get the true facts, the supported pay does not increase with any future pay rises. Be as honest as you can with days/ shifts / hours you can do.
If you're at risk of redundancy and go into consultations, you get 4 half shifts paid to attend interviews. You can job trial for a further four weeks after redundancy date, on another dept to see suitably, and redundancy deferred. You can also defer redundancy, if there is a dept with temp vacancy (e.g. maternity leave ) on which you can work, but be warned, if you are dismissed during this time, you forgo your redundancy payout.
You can get 6 months job seekers allowance which isn't means tested, but it starts from the date of your redundancy, so don't delay in claiming.
There may be free re training initiatives in your area, to update or renew your skills.
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There open till 6??? Ours and the ones locally your lucky to find anyone in them after 1pm.
Joking aside, the process isn’t great, take someone with you at each meeting, ask questions ask lots, at some point it won’t be the first meeting but you should get the colleague Q&A, lots of questions last year was shares and pensions.
Staff have been asked why they can't work certain days and hours and to give reasons why they can't when in meetings about availability forms is this now how they are doing meetings?
Let's hope the bakery guys can talk to the stockies/merch/ and counter staff that went thru this exactly the same time last year, and provide them with support. It's not very nice to go through personally, stressful etc. Al ot of the above is correct, think with your head what's best for you and your home life situation.
I'm actually on holiday this week and my boss is off sick but the deputy manager has just texted me asking if I'm free in the next hour to have a chat on the phone.
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I'm actually on holiday this week and my boss is off sick but the deputy manager has just texted me asking if I'm free in the next hour to have a chat on the phone.
well least you get some sort of heads up that somethings happening, i instantly assumed i was in trouble for something else lol
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I'm actually on holiday this week and my boss is off sick but the deputy manager has just texted me asking if I'm free in the next hour to have a chat on the phone.
And I bet they tried to make you fall for the BS that they were doing you a favour by letting you know before you read it in the papers. They’ve known about this for longer than they like to admit. They just got wind it was going to the press today and thought oh maybe we better tell the staff then. It’s a joke of an organisation nowadays it really is. Fingers crossed for redundancy!
Quote from: smithers on 25-02-20, 04:53PM
likely scenario bakerys got to drop hrs so a chunk off each full timer and bingo no more full time staff
Exactly what they are doing. Running out all full timers and long serving staff. For flexi and cheaper staff.
So much for no more job cuts. Good old USDAW full of more s*** than Tesco
Quote from: BakerBum on 25-02-20, 05:39PM
well least you get some sort of heads up that somethings happening, i instantly assumed i was in trouble for something else lol
Yeah If I didnt come on here and read what was going on I'd be thinking of all the things I done last week that could of got me in trouble :D
Quote from: BoredBaker on 25-02-20, 05:42PM
And I bet they tried to make you fall for the BS that they were doing you a favour by letting you know before you read it in the papers. They’ve known about this for longer than they like to admit. They just got wind it was going to the press today and thought oh maybe we better tell the staff then. It’s a joke of an organisation nowadays it really is. Fingers crossed for redundancy!
I'll let you know what he says when he rings, to be honest some bakers here have been working 30 years plus and others 15 years minimum, I cant see anyone moving to another department or dropping hours so Im not sure whats gonna happen in a scenario where they need to lose hours.
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And I bet they tried to make you fall for the BS that they were doing you a favour by letting you know before you read it in the papers. They’ve known about this for longer than they like to admit. They just got wind it was going to the press today and thought oh maybe we better tell the staff then. It’s a joke of an organisation nowadays it really is. Fingers crossed for redundancy!
I'll let you know what he says when he rings, to be honest some bakers here have been working 30 years plus and others 15 years minimum, I cant see anyone moving to another department or dropping hours so Im not sure whats gonna happen in a scenario where they need to lose hours.
My store are the same. 2 bakers been there over 20 years and others a fair length of time too. Some packers are full time they will get their hours hit to make room for the bakers who won’t be needed anymore. As someone else said it’s perfect chance for Tesco to get rid of full timers. Bakery has the most full timers in my store. Maybe another 3-4 on the shop floor and that’s it. Part time flexi contracts are the way forward for this company
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Staff have been asked why they can't work certain days and hours and to give reasons why they can't when in meetings about availability forms is this now how they are doing meetings?
No! You have been asked to fill in an availability form, which states your AVAILABILITY! They may have a position in mind, that could be similar hours, but might have a day or few hours out of what you've put, so they can ASK, but should give the reason why, I.e. "We've got the hours you need, but slightly out with your availability, would you be able to do these shifts/days?"
You certainly do not have to explain yourself, your reason of reply is simple..."because that's when I'm available to work!"
Anyone thinking of taking redundancy, use the VLH redundancy calculator it is extremely accurate, and you'll have more idea if you can afford to take the offer or not.
Also can't see many people taking a pay cut from their bakery premium back to standard pay. That's quite a bit monthly.
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And I bet they tried to make you fall for the BS that they were doing you a favour by letting you know before you read it in the papers. They’ve known about this for longer than they like to admit. They just got wind it was going to the press today and thought oh maybe we better tell the staff then. It’s a joke of an organisation nowadays it really is. Fingers crossed for redundancy!
I'll let you know what he says when he rings, to be honest some bakers here have been working 30 years plus and others 15 years minimum, I cant see anyone moving to another department or dropping hours so Im not sure whats gonna happen in a scenario where they need to lose hours.
My store are the same. 2 bakers been there over 20 years and others a fair length of time too. Some packers are full time they will get their hours hit to make room for the bakers who won’t be needed anymore. As someone else said it’s perfect chance for Tesco to get rid of full timers. Bakery has the most full timers in my store. Maybe another 3-4 on the shop floor and that’s it. Part time flexi contracts are the way forward for this company
The packers can't get their hours hit to make room for the bakers. They're not understudies.
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And I bet they tried to make you fall for the BS that they were doing you a favour by letting you know before you read it in the papers. They’ve known about this for longer than they like to admit. They just got wind it was going to the press today and thought oh maybe we better tell the staff then. It’s a joke of an organisation nowadays it really is. Fingers crossed for redundancy!
I'll let you know what he says when he rings, to be honest some bakers here have been working 30 years plus and others 15 years minimum, I cant see anyone moving to another department or dropping hours so Im not sure whats gonna happen in a scenario where they need to lose hours.
My store are the same. 2 bakers been there over 20 years and others a fair length of time too. Some packers are full time they will get their hours hit to make room for the bakers who won’t be needed anymore. As someone else said it’s perfect chance for Tesco to get rid of full timers. Bakery has the most full timers in my store. Maybe another 3-4 on the shop floor and that’s it. Part time flexi contracts are the way forward for this company
The packers can't get their hours hit to make room for the bakers. They're not understudies.
All hours will be looked at in the entire department whether it’s bakers or packers. If there’s a full time packer for example, their job could be split down into 2 part time jobs for themselves and a baker. Bakers will cost too much to simply just make everyone redundant. The heat map will provide an ideal schedule with shift patterns and it’ll be a free for all when it comes to applying. There won’t be many full time jobs except in massive stores
"Lots of small projects removing hours
e.g. IDQ moving to 10%
Counters changing to 9-7 opening
Capping shelves in stores that don’t have them already
Review of pharmacy, PI and trolley models, only small changes to hours
Stores without a combined desk going combined e.g CSD and kiosk moving to one department
Very little redundancy impact in the first quarter, will be lots of conversations around moving hours though.
Nothing on management at the moment, stores that lose lots of hours may have some management roles informally removed, but no redundancy impact.
As I said before, no further nights to days, no shift leaders in large stores at present."
Guess this wasn't meant to come in the the first quarter or M360 wasn't informed of these changes. I suppose this could have been leaked to the press and brought forward like the night changes when our store was affected a couple of months before we were supposed to be.
Quarter 2 starts 25th May so maybe that justifies minimum redundancies in Quarter 1 ???
Quarter 1 is also Tescos new financial year, they won't implement any serious redundancies in the first quarter before they make their financial statements, they'll want to post an as optimistic picture as possible.
So yeah pretty much just got read out the briefing and then said not to listen to any rumours and that all stores will know exactly which are closing, which are staying the same and which are losing hours on Friday.
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And I bet they tried to make you fall for the BS that they were doing you a favour by letting you know before you read it in the papers. They’ve known about this for longer than they like to admit. They just got wind it was going to the press today and thought oh maybe we better tell the staff then. It’s a joke of an organisation nowadays it really is. Fingers crossed for redundancy!
I'll let you know what he says when he rings, to be honest some bakers here have been working 30 years plus and others 15 years minimum, I cant see anyone moving to another department or dropping hours so Im not sure whats gonna happen in a scenario where they need to lose hours.
My store are the same. 2 bakers been there over 20 years and others a fair length of time too. Some packers are full time they will get their hours hit to make room for the bakers who won’t be needed anymore. As someone else said it’s perfect chance for Tesco to get rid of full timers. Bakery has the most full timers in my store. Maybe another 3-4 on the shop floor and that’s it. Part time flexi contracts are the way forward for this company
The packers can't get their hours hit to make room for the bakers. They're not understudies.
All hours will be looked at in the entire department whether it’s bakers or packers. If there’s a full time packer for example, their job could be split down into 2 part time jobs for themselves and a baker. Bakers will cost too much to simply just make everyone redundant. The heat map will provide an ideal schedule with shift patterns and it’ll be a free for all when it comes to applying. There won’t be many full time jobs except in massive stores
They can't take one person's hours and give them to someone else! Regardless whether they're a baker or packer. If they take hours from one person, they can't then give those same hours to someone else! Even in a redundancy situation, if they say to one person shifts A,B & C are no longer there, they would have to wait 6 months before they can offer those shifts to someone else. If you're saying the packers hours will be split, then this is a redundancy, the dept hours can then be given to a baker, but that baker cannot do the lost packers routines in those hours, nor can anyone else do those shifts as a packer.
Quote from: msl1791 on 25-02-20, 05:23PM
Let's hope the bakery guys can talk to the stockies/merch/ and counter staff that went thru this exactly the same time last year, and provide them with support. It's not very nice to go through personally, stressful etc. Al ot of the above is correct, think with your head what's best for you and your home life situation.
Former Stock Control who took redundancy last year. Tips for those about to go through this. If you want the payoff then fill in your current hours as your availability...nothing more nothing less. You do not need to explain this to anyone. Take someone into EVERY meeting with you. Your manager may have been great to you over the years. This means NOTHING. Their role in this is to get it done quick and with no incidents. They are not your friend and are not looking out for you. Keep your thoughts to yourself. Talk has a way of getting back to management. Take a list of questions with you into each meeting. Get written answers. You have workers rights guarenteed to you under UK/EU law. Tesco don't get to make stuff up or claim thats how we did it before. Give nothing away as to what you plan to do until each deadline comes around and official meetings are held. Be very careful with your conduct, timekeeping etc. If you can be gotten rid off by other means that suits them perfectly.
If you plan on staying and taking a cut in hours. Have a long think about how much can you cut and still get by. No point halving you hours to save your job if it means you cant eat or pay the rent. Only tick what you are prepared to work. Dont choose full availability...you will be offered every terrible shift going. If you refuse a contract on hours you have ticked then you have lost your job and will get nothing. Think about it. The job sites are full of small contract jobs; 8hrs, 12hrs, 15hrs etc. Dont take a bad set of hours just to keep your job.
Final thought. You are not as dumb or unskilled as Tesco would have you believe. Especially those who have been with Tesco for years. Do not sell youself short. There is life beyond Tesco. Good luck to you all
Quote from: Blackcat3 on 25-02-20, 05:20PM
Staff have been asked why they can't work certain days and hours and to give reasons why they can't when in meetings about availability forms is this now how they are doing meetings?
You do not have to say anything beyond what you have written down. Take a rep. Even if it means someone from USDAW local office.
Say they offer you a job doing the same hours you're doing now but you'll obviously have to take a pay cut from your bakers premium. That cant be forced can it?
They may offer protected pay for a time not sure if this has changed though
The protected pay won't be that good, as when all roles get the 30p increase in October, the protected pay amount won't increase by 30p as well. It stays that amount until (I believe) 2 years have passed or the pay reviews between that time has pushed your earnings above the protected pay amount.
Quote from: Samuel137 on 25-02-20, 10:08PM
Say they offer you a job doing the same hours you're doing now but you'll obviously have to take a pay cut from your bakers premium. That cant be forced can it?
No, because you are employed as a skilled baker, on a higher pay grade, therefore they can't expect you to take a lower grade alternative. They can ask if you wanted a CA roll on same hours, but if you accepted they would probably cut your grade also. It used to be if they asked you to move dept to a lower grade, you kept the higher rate permanently, but if you asked to move you lost it, but that wasn't a redundancy issue, so am unsure if rule would apply in this? They would probably go down the protected pay route, which in itself isn't the best option, as I and others have said, you don't get a pay rise when others do, so your not gaining a great deal over the longer period. There's also no guarantee that you won't be affected again, but the next time the redundancy package would be based on a CA rate.
Check with the VLH redundancy calculator, it's pretty accurate in the forcast of what sum redundancy package you'll get.
More shop floor staff and general assistants losing their jobs but no news at all of managers or senior team losing theirs. I feel so sorry for people who still work for this shambles of a company and are being exploited by the imbeciles at the top. Even after all these job losses there will still be people made into managers for a job role that doesn’t require them. It will get to a point where everyone is a manager and it will be managers managing managers. You’ve got a senior team manager on 50k a year spending all day on his phone in the office or canteen and coming down twice a day to de-card the shop then go home at 4 while hard working people of Tesco are having the stress and hardships of losing their jobs and the entire process of potential redundancy ( which will be a complete balls up seeing as management haven’t got a clue what to do in these instances) PATHETIC
Quote from: uncletupelo on 25-02-20, 09:16PM
Quote from: msl1791 on 25-02-20, 05:23PM
Let's hope the bakery guys can talk to the stockies/merch/ and counter staff that went thru this exactly the same time last year, and provide them with support. It's not very nice to go through personally, stressful etc. Al ot of the above is correct, think with your head what's best for you and your home life situation.
Former Stock Control who took redundancy last year. Tips for those about to go through this. If you want the payoff then fill in your current hours as your availability...nothing more nothing less. You do not need to explain this to anyone. Take someone into EVERY meeting with you. Your manager may have been great to you over the years. This means NOTHING. Their role in this is to get it done quick and with no incidents. They are not your friend and are not looking out for you. Keep your thoughts to yourself. Talk has a way of getting back to management. Take a list of questions with you into each meeting. Get written answers. You have workers rights guarenteed to you under UK/EU law. Tesco don't get to make stuff up or claim thats how we did it before. Give nothing away as to what you plan to do until each deadline comes around and official meetings are held. Be very careful with your conduct, timekeeping etc. If you can be gotten rid off by other means that suits them perfectly.
If you plan on staying and taking a cut in hours. Have a long think about how much can you cut and still get by. No point halving you hours to save your job if it means you cant eat or pay the rent. Only tick what you are prepared to work. Dont choose full availability...you will be offered every terrible shift going. If you refuse a contract on hours you have ticked then you have lost your job and will get nothing. Think about it. The job sites are full of small contract jobs; 8hrs, 12hrs, 15hrs etc. Dont take a bad set of hours just to keep your job.
Final thought. You are not as dumb or unskilled as Tesco would have you believe. Especially those who have been with Tesco for years. Do not sell youself short. There is life beyond Tesco. Good luck to you all
I second this! Take the money as a nice leaving gesture and run for the hills as quickly as you can. This company will start to close more stores tham it opens with time and if you stay and drop hours now, your redundancy come second time round will only be worth less and the job market will be more competitive.
Quote from: Long gone on 25-02-20, 11:03PM
More shop floor staff and general assistants losing their jobs but no news at all of managers or senior team losing theirs. I feel so sorry for people who still work for this shambles of a company and are being exploited by the imbeciles at the top. Even after all these job losses there will still be people made into managers for a job role that doesn’t require them. It will get to a point where everyone is a manager and it will be managers managing managers. You’ve got a senior team manager on 50k a year spending all day on his phone in the office or canteen and coming down twice a day to de-card the shop then go home at 4 while hard working people of Tesco are having the stress and hardships of losing their jobs and the entire process of potential redundancy ( which will be a complete balls up seeing as management haven’t got a clue what to do in these instances) PATHETIC
Exactly right! Still bemuses me to why management roles haven't been substantially chopped yet. Only reason i can come up with is that they need the management to chop all the customer assistants first then one day when there's no one else to make redundant, they go after the chiefs.
I’m confused it says shop floor staff being made redundant is this just bakery department or all people on shop floor affected. Also what about checkouts are they losing people also.
Also anyone thinking of taking less hours think about other impacts that may not be mentioned by mm in that holidays may be effected pensions and sickness %*would kick in sooner.
Also I had been told before that anyone at risk of redundancy will be offered pension payout as another option if over 55 which is already available but if this is enhanced take this option with extrema caution if nearing retirement anyway.
one of our bakers is over the moon,he's just had his 5 year saye come out which he said is worth 60 grand(he did the max £500 a month),and now he wan'ts redundancy to completely pay off his mortgage,so he can retire early
Quote from: T2019sackallmanagers on 25-02-20, 11:07PM
Quote from: Long gone on 25-02-20, 11:03PM
More shop floor staff and general assistants losing their jobs but no news at all of managers or senior team losing theirs. I feel so sorry for people who still work for this shambles of a company and are being exploited by the imbeciles at the top. Even after all these job losses there will still be people made into managers for a job role that doesn’t require them. It will get to a point where everyone is a manager and it will be managers managing managers. You’ve got a senior team manager on 50k a year spending all day on his phone in the office or canteen and coming down twice a day to de-card the shop then go home at 4 while hard working people of Tesco are having the stress and hardships of losing their jobs and the entire process of potential redundancy ( which will be a complete balls up seeing as management haven’t got a clue what to do in these instances) PATHETIC
Exactly right! Still bemuses me to why management roles haven't been substantially chopped yet. Only reason i can come up with is that they need the management to chop all the customer assistants first then one day when there's no one else to make redundant, they go after the chiefs.
They can't afford the redundancy amounts they'd have to pay out managers for redundancy, if they followed the redundancy process, which is why we've seen a spate of Mickey Mouse "informal removals of the role" and "soft structure" changes in an attempt to oust managers without paying redundancy.
Plus if they offered managers redundancy a huge proportion would probably take the money and run. As shown with the stock control restructuring far more people left than originally expected and multiple stores had real issues with years of experience going out the door and a bunch of clueless newbies trying to pick up all the routines.
By not replacing leavers and putting more and more onto remaining managers so they consider quitting Tesco can reduce the headcount at no expense.....
Quote from: londoner83 on 26-02-20, 09:57AM
Plus if they offered managers redundancy a huge proportion would probably take the money and run. As shown with the stock control restructuring far more people left than originally expected and multiple stores had real issues with years of experience going out the door and a bunch of clueless newbies trying to pick up all the routines.
By not replacing leavers and putting more and more onto remaining managers so they consider quitting Tesco can reduce the headcount at no expense.....
There isn't a big difference in redundancy payments from a GA compared to the highest level of manager. All you people don't seem to remember that redundancy is capped on weekly wage where most full time staff already exceed! A GA with 10 years gets same redundancy than a manager with 8 years service or there about. Most GA's got more redundancy payments than managers when nights went.
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The fact is they still need to remove management. At the worst in our store we had 25 managers in an extra and one manager was managing 2 people. I just don’t understand the logic of removing experienced people from the company and still promoting people to managers when the company is already saturated with them. Thing is though the managers love it when redundancy hits because it gives them more power but they won’t feel too good when there are no assistants left and they have to get rid of themselves
the redundancy calculater is correct yeh? I been there oer 15y justbout an it saying at 347pw before tax is 16gran payot that aint rite is it?
Quote from: smithers on 26-02-20, 12:09PM
the redundancy calculater is correct yeh? I been there oer 15y justbout an it saying at 347pw before tax is 16gran payot that aint rite is it?
yep sounds right. its about a grand per year
Thanks the only thing I realy want to knw now is I need the 35 hrs don't care what im doing so if I put wide avaibility and they can match it but not 35hrs am I still elegebel for redundancy please
Regarding the redundancy calculator, it says before deductions and extras.... What extras should not be included?
Market supplements?
Night premium?
Thanks
I think do it 35 x times your hr rate as appear on your payslip toprite
Quote from: kaled78 on 26-02-20, 08:01AM
one of our bakers is over the moon,he's just had his 5 year saye come out which he said is worth 60 grand(he did the max £500 a month),and now he wan'ts redundancy to completely pay off his mortgage,so he can retire early
48k
The redundancy ceiling is 30k :thumbdown:
Redundancy pay over 30k is taxed, anything under it is tax free
Redundancy calculator is accurate. Your hourly rate matters so a manager will earn more but then other factors kick in. Length of service and age etc. A younger manager with less service may get a smaller package than a longer serving older colleague. It's a balance, the nearer you are to retirement the harder it may be to find another job. It won't be for all but it will for some depending on skill and where you live, your mobility etc. It will be easy for some and almost impossible for others.
Take the time to look at jobs available in your local area, talk to people locally, look at training courses that might appeal. Would this enable you to retire early, so many variables. A nice lump sum will only last so long, what will you do with it and what will you do once it has gone will not be the same for all.
Hi guys I'm one of the affected bakers at the moment with the upcoming changes. Does anyone know if Tesco will just pay the statutory redundancy amount or what the very little helps redundancy calculator says? There would be a big difference in the two amounts
Unless Tesco have changed their redundancy policy, it will be the vlh calculator, the only difference we found last year we were paid 12 weeks in lieu not 8. You should be given the figures during consultation before you make any decisions. Good luck with whatever option you take.
Thanks Pollypest fingers crossed it's the vlh calculator
Something else I forgot to mention, I'd been with Tesco 29 years so I also had holidays banked as I had to work a year in hand. You cannot claim income based job seekers until you're in lieu of notice and any holiday pay has been used because they class that as earnings, but redundancy and any saving are not counted for the 1st 26 weeks. I hope this is some help.
Does anyone know when the 45 day consultation period starts, is it from your 1st 1 to 1 ?
Great helps thanks
Okay this is a question, the first part of the consultation process is filling in availability sheets if I understand correctly. So I’m guessing redundancy figures would not be mentioned at this stage. But the way this form is filled in is dependent on wether you’re after redundancy or not, ie covering all bases to enhance chances of being kept on or putting current hours that may be outside the matrix with no reduced hours etc if wanting redundancy. How can you make an informed decision if the figure isn’t available beforehand. I wouldn’t feel comfortable making a life changing decision without all relevant information.
Do the redundancy calculator on here 1st
I totally feel the same. In my bakery it is going full bake off. I'm currently full time baker. No way they will offer any full time hours. I want to know my redundancy package ideally before filling out any availability sheet.
They would argue that, until they knew your availability, they wouldn't know if you're job matched, if you are,then redundancy is not an option as at this stage it's your job role that's at risk.
Also bear in mind, whereby some may relish the thought of redundancy, due to their service, financial circumstances etc...others may be facing real hardship, and a small redundancy package forcast, could have a negative effect and may knee jerk them into agreeing to shifts they can't sustain.
And let's remember it's Tesco we're talking about here...they may give the wrong calculations and your decision is based on their forcast, only for them to come back after and say oops sorry, our mistake...nah they wouldn't c**k it is by thousands would they ??? Oh yea I remember now, they did in the last cull, and asked for the money back :-X
Been told at our store going full bake off. No job for bakers. Rest of ga have to apply for the remaining hours.
Hi with reguards to soft change in PI. What if you can't change hours or day would you be able to get redundancy
we have been told our store is losing 1/3 of it's range,but keeping some scratch on reduced hours,no full time bakers anymore,just part time no doubt
Not getting heat map down till week 3 so won't know till then what hours are needed in bakery but we are still expected to fill in availability sheet now
Lucgeo yes you are right just not right making us wait to see what hours are available. My guess is one person doing morning and one in afternoon. We are only a small bakery
When they got rid of night shift in my store a full timer took less hours on day shift instead of taking redundancy they still got around 5-6 grand as they were losing money hope this is still the case
Was hoping for that but was told today that there will be no protected pay but havnt had my 121 meeting yet so will be a question I will ask.
Baker4life.
Hi. Who told you there was no protected pay?
Heard from a manager. But really hope there is. Won't know for sure till our meetings.
Makes me laugh when we were told customers are buying less traditional loafs and more bagels and wraps. In our store that is not the case but still going bake off. We all know it's a cost cutting excise.
There has to be protected pay for 3 years
Quote from: Baker4life on 27-02-20, 07:13PM
Heard from a manager. But really hope there is. Won't know for sure till our meetings.
You will be told a lot of BS from mainly managers, who like to feed on people's uncertainties, that manager knows diddly squat, but wants to look like he's all knowing. There will be some stores where the SM has "had a little chat" with his brown nosers to feed false info, in a hope of getting the c**p shifts filled, all the while keeping a safe distance from any back lash!
Only take your questions to the manager dealing with the consultation...requesting and being provided with all notes taken in the meeting and an agreed further consultation date given and in notes... if you're not getting the full consultation support or answers, having every question answered, or clarified in a follow up meeting, having all the follow up meetings as arranged, feeling under the slightest pressure to keep the meetings short, or change them at last minute because the store is too busy etc., being denied by any manager any additional intermittent requested meetings, request for reps to attend ignored or not arranged by the consultation manager, being refused your entitlement to up to four paid half day shifts when requested to attend outside job or retraining interview( obviously give as much notice as possible), any manager blocking any of these rights, you ask for the area PM to attend your store to take your grievance.
Some managers are little sh**s, others not, my consultation manager was brilliant, got back within an hour to answer any unsure questions asked at meetings. Some managers who have vacancies on their dept's, will try to tweak shifts or work with you to enable you to stay employed, if that is your wish. Others ( and I speak from experience ) will act like God Almighty, and enjoy trying to manipulate your sudden unsure position to their own advantage, telling you their rules for you to be considered for the vacancy, and to be accepted into the team you will be expected to abide by them, all of which blatantly contravening Tesco policies.
If you decide to apply for a vacancy, make it clear that you wish to have a four week trial to decide if you want to remain with Tesco and take the position or take the redundancy offer. You will be expected by the end of the third week, to give indication of your intentions.
Thanks Lucgeo your a legend. Makes me sick they way someone in their ivory tower knows how your store runs and sells. Told customers which are regular snack wagon or cafe buying from bakery everyday and said they will shop elsewhere as don't want the bake off s**t. Our store will lose customers through this just doesn't make sense.
Quote from: Witch69 on 27-02-20, 03:26PM
Hi with reguards to soft change in PI. What if you can't change hours or day would you be able to get redundancy
No as the role still exists. The window of change they're suggesting you'd expect A couple of hours either side of shift, would seem to be the most usually acceptable. However, if there is a loss of premium, you rely on transport and non available for changed shifts, childcare, other job or commitments on the change of day they're suggesting etc...they have to work with you, it's a two way street...
customers have no idea that over half our stuff is bake off anyway..
This will kill bakeries off as that bake off stuff is not fit for feeding the birds.Also as regards protected pay don’t listen to anyone until you have had your 121.
Ok cheers, if protected pay is on the table then that is at least something. Have to wait and see. Noticed Morrisons are advertising for skilled bakers jobs lately. Only a matter of time all Tesco bakeries will eventually be affected. Very sad they think a bake off loaf is what the customer wants, oh I forgot and bagels and wraps ofcourse
seniour member of staff and a dept manager in store 5.30 this morning aparently geting the low down on the 1to1s ready for 1st meatings today
Quote from: Baker4life on 28-02-20, 03:40AM
Ok cheers, if protected pay is on the table then that is at least something. Have to wait and see. Noticed Morrisons are advertising for skilled bakers jobs lately. Only a matter of time all Tesco bakeries will eventually be affected. Very sad they think a bake off loaf is what the customer wants, oh I forgot and bagels and wraps ofcourse
Please ensure you get the full facts regarding protected pay written down, I seem to think it is only a % of the difference from your current full time pay...I don't recall the way it's calculated, so I'm not going to speculate...also if morrisons are looking for bakers, there's nothing to stop you enquiring to them now about possible vacancies they may have now or in the future.
Another question to ask is if you are given a written job offer from another employer during your consultation, will they release you early to take up the new position, and still pay you redundancy ?
This was an option on the table with the team leaders cull, and many left before end of consultation, on full redundancy pay...However it wasn't an option given in last May's cull? So, no harm asking and getting a written response of yay or nay!
Currently work in a metro store which went through structure changes in September 19. Our on store bake off is manned by 1 person full time and 3 part timers. Think bigger stores also use a huge amount of bake off products already anyway so no big change there !!. The reduction of choice is the biggest problem and the reason we have lost customers. Even the corner shop has more choice now !!. Also believe that the whole redundancy process is a bit like a lucky dip. Can honestly say that they mzde a complete mess of processes in our store and we ended up being understaffed for weeks and weeks afterwords. Good luck to everyone now in consultation. The redundancy packages on offer are really attractive to anyone with a decent amount of service. Not sure that Tesco is a great place to work anymore anyway.
in my store some bakers had 1to1s no avalability forms for bakers!! just packers looks like bakers are treated sepretly. full bakeoff store and no hotplate massive reduction in hours not said what they will be yet but will be alot less than now
I’m a Packer in the bakery on a fixed contract if I do keep my job will they make me go on Flexible contract
Keljoz no you stay on a fixed contract but make sure you ask the question in your meeting get it noted
I’m a baker I had an availability meeting.
Thanks heyyouguy Can you tell me if they can offer you hours on any department even thou you only state bakery on availability form
I think only if there's a job with the hours you put on the form
If applying for morrisons just a watch out there bakeries are going the same way, our local one had a refresh and had the bakery removed and it’s now part bake. There contracts are very different to Tesco as in you work for morrisons not the bakery and location can be changed. Read there small print.
Also there arseholes to work for....seriously some people think Tesco are bad, nothing compared to morrisons.
Having 121 next week, told to fill in availability sheets and bring them with me. I'm full time but already know there are no full time jobs in my store. Told I should find out my redundancy package in my 121 meeting next week.
Quote from: Keljoz on 28-02-20, 02:06PM
Thanks heyyouguy Can you tell me if they can offer you hours on any department even thou you only state bakery on availability form
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They will try and job match you on your department if I remember right
Had my meeting today and had to fill in an availability form. I’m full time and basically got told if there’s any chance of keeping full time hours I need to give them fantastic availability and if I do get kept on then my job hours will be split across different departments. Eg half the week in bakery and half in grocery and/or dairy. There’s no full time jobs going to be in ANY bakery from now on. Full time is now classed as anything above 30 hours FYI. I put down by normal 7-4 shifts as my only availability but my manager admitted there would be a slim chance I’d find anything with lots of hours with that time window and I should consider putting until closing time at 11pm to have any chance of staying with Tesco. I also refused to move to a different contract which is what they want from everyone however be aware this affects sick pay etc somehow.
I HATE tesco now. Give me my redundancy 😂
Boredbaker did they say anything a out job matching you to your department then if you want to try make your hours full time you have to apply for other vacancies and if so do you have to go through interview stage to get extra department for added hours hope this makes zense
Quote from: BoredBaker on 28-02-20, 06:19PM
Had my meeting today and had to fill in an availability form. I’m full time and basically got told if there’s any chance of keeping full time hours I need to give them fantastic availability and if I do get kept on then my job hours will be split across different departments. Eg half the week in bakery and half in grocery and/or dairy. There’s no full time jobs going to be in ANY bakery from now on. Full time is now classed as anything above 30 hours FYI. I put down by normal 7-4 shifts as my only availability but my manager admitted there would be a slim chance I’d find anything with lots of hours with that time window and I should consider putting until closing time at 11pm to have any chance of staying with Tesco. I also refused to move to a different contract which is what they want from everyone however be aware this affects sick pay etc somehow.
I HATE tesco now. Give me my redundancy 😂
This sounds dodgy as f*** if you ask me, DO NOT fill out your availability to a "fantastic" level, fill it out the the hours that only work for you.
If you fill in all the hours and then they offer you hours that you're not happy with taking, guess what - you leave with no redundancy money because you have accepted to work them on your availability form.
Is your store going full bake off? As I strongly believe what you've been told is inaccurate and as far as I'm aware nobody knows that level of information yet (Not offering full time hours anymore)
This could be scare mongering you into a position that works for them. My own stance is why settle for something s*** when you can take hopfully a nice redundancy payment and hedge your bets elsewhere that appreatiate your skills and trade.
Quote from: heyyouguys on 28-02-20, 06:25PM
Boredbaker did they say anything a out job matching you to your department then if you want to try make your hours full time you have to apply for other vacancies and if so do you have to go through interview stage to get extra department for added hours hope this makes zense
Yes I was told to make up my 36 hours I could potentially work so many days/hours in the bakery when the schedule says we are short and then make up the other hours in a different department. It would only go to an interview process for the other department if more than one person is applying for that specific job
Quote from: Baker4life on 28-02-20, 05:56PM
Having 121 next week, told to fill in availability sheets and bring them with me. I'm full time but already know there are no full time jobs in my store. Told I should find out my redundancy package in my 121 meeting next week.
Is your store going full bake off? Did they defo say no full time jobs will be available?
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Quote from: BoredBaker on 28-02-20, 06:19PM
Had my meeting today and had to fill in an availability form. I’m full time and basically got told if there’s any chance of keeping full time hours I need to give them fantastic availability and if I do get kept on then my job hours will be split across different departments. Eg half the week in bakery and half in grocery and/or dairy. There’s no full time jobs going to be in ANY bakery from now on. Full time is now classed as anything above 30 hours FYI. I put down by normal 7-4 shifts as my only availability but my manager admitted there would be a slim chance I’d find anything with lots of hours with that time window and I should consider putting until closing time at 11pm to have any chance of staying with Tesco. I also refused to move to a different contract which is what they want from everyone however be aware this affects sick pay etc somehow.
I HATE tesco now. Give me my redundancy 😂
This sounds dodgy as f*** if you ask me, DO NOT fill out your availability to a "fantastic" level, fill it out the the hours that only work for you.
If you fill in all the hours and then they offer you hours that you're not happy with taking, guess what - you leave with no redundancy money because you have accepted to work them on your availability form.
Is your store going full bake off? As I strongly believe what you've been told is inaccurate and as far as I'm aware nobody knows that level of information yet (Not offering full time hours anymore)
This could be scare mongering you into a position that works for them. My own stance is why settle for something s*** when you can take hopfully a nice redundancy payment and hedge your bets elsewhere that appreatiate your skills and trade.
I’m hoping and praying for a nice tasty payoff! I was told the chance of being full time would now only be achieved by accepting to fulfill around half my hours in a different department. Wouldn’t bother me as long as I get to keep my hours and my protected pay rate from being a skilled baker. Any manager will tell you that the full time staff are on borrowed time. They aren’t useful to the company any longer. Sadly.
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Quote from: Baker4life on 28-02-20, 05:56PM
Having 121 next week, told to fill in availability sheets and bring them with me. I'm full time but already know there are no full time jobs in my store. Told I should find out my redundancy package in my 121 meeting next week.
Is your store going full bake off? Did they defo say no full time jobs will be available?
My store is going part scratch and part bake off. Brown breads and other things be brought in to bake off and we will still offer white doughs. I was told there was no full time positions going to be offered in ANY bakery across the UK and the only way to remain full time is to split hours across departments
Bakers dozen I'm with you on that one, sounds very suspect.
Hi Boredbaker, is your store going full bake off? I think all of us bakers need to be very carefull what we do, It's too easy for the arse to start flapping at the thought of no job and take anything the sugar coat as a good option but bugger that.
I should get a nice figure roughly 12 take home pays upfront. That gives me, if I'm sensible 14 months to get another job before I run out of cash. The sooner I line something up the better. I'm just gutted to lose out on the friends I've worked with all these years to be honest, all the banter and laughs we've had.
My head has been all over the place since the news, as much I like to think I've got a thick skin after 14 years of knowing 1 thing damn that dagger sinks deep at the thought of losing it... having a few Bevvys tonight but conscious it could turn me into a blubbering mess to the Mrs come my 10th can... Be sensible on this one guy's, It's chess we're playing here not chequers be 5 moves ahead.
Knowledge is power, keep updating each other on here. Keep the lube out of sight and the arse clenched at all times, because I can feel a deep shafting is on the cards to anyone slipping.
Can you refuse to fill in availability form?
When we were going through this last year, we were told there would be no redundancies for stock control, at the time there were 3 full timers, we argued that it was illegal to cut our hours and were told our hours would be made up by working on other areas, even though every department in store was over hours. We stuck to availability that we were working and if we wanted redundancy to stick to full time, not to put we would be willing to cut our hours otherwise we would be slotted in to jobs. We got redundancy, which was great for me personally as I had nearly 29 years service, plus I only had another 5 years before retiring. It depends on your circumstances, but most of the friends who took redundancy found other jobs. Good luck to you all I feel for you cos I know how we felt, plenty of lies and no one willing to be honest with us.
Quote from: Paulie on 28-02-20, 08:33PM
Can you refuse to fill in availability form?
Not sure, I'd ask your union rep. I guess as a minimum write what you do now and only as a fully skilled baker and obviously only work on bakery dept.
I suspect you will need to fill one out
What I will miss the most is the banter. Been full time baker for over 15 years with young family. The temptation to secure a job even less hours would be too easy. If I get offered close to 20k I would be mad to turn it down
You will find banter elsewhere without the s*** management of tesco enforcing you. Take the redundancy and have a try at something else in life. It's never too late and the job market is buoyont at the moment.
Cheers T2019 I'm thinking I won't get another chance to get s decent redundancy out of them
Baker4life it's rubbish to be in this situation, we all know as bakers as much as cutting the browns/hotplate makes perfect sense Just look at the month these changes come into effect. MAY, just as the weather pics up and the bbqs come out...
The powers that be have these grand fool proof ideas to cut costs yet when customers can't trust their local Tesco for there bbq rolls it's also Meat,beer/cider sales that will take a hit When they skip Tesco and go to Morrison's ECT... we make 20+ racks of white roll fri/sat/Sun over hot weekends and still struggle to keep the shelves full.
I predict alot of bakers will leave, because we are a stubborn long serving breed. s*** hitting the fan in the 6 months after the changes, then if bakers rate is still the same go to your local stores and you'll be calling the shots on hours/days you want (That's if you haven't found something better in the mean time) it will also be Xmas time they will be desperate.
I found out today they will work our heatmap hours out on the lowest week's sales from the previous year, including the cuts they will 'think' the browns take to produce/bake this could be a very small amount of what on average is needed. I dread to think on Easter weeks/xmas/ summer weekends what the shelves are going to look like. Not to mention the workload and stress on the poor sods who are left. If they're "up skilling" GA's to fill these duties they will run a mile when they have to work there socks off to keep up with demand.
Bakersdozen it is totally cra# how we get treated. Yes us bakers are a stubborn lot because we know what we are worth. Our skill I feel has always been undervalued as bakers. You know as much as me, unless you have worked in a bakery (scratch) not the dogs dinner bake off then you havnt got a scooby doo how we work and what is involved.
Our bakery going full bake off. So no chance of me going back after 6 months when they can get Micky Mouse and Dumbo to put the high quality products in the oven
20+ racks of soft roll over 3 days is insane!
Quote from: Bakersdozen on 28-02-20, 09:55PM
we make 20+ racks of white roll fri/sat/Sun over hot weekends and still struggle to keep the shelves full.
Get out while and if you can. If you think tesco is bad then I can tell you it's just as bad if not worse at the other supermarkets. In a few months time you will all wished you'd have taken redundancy. It will get worse. These clowns at head office haven't a clue. I was a bakery team leader and got out 5 years ago. I work for them for 32 years. Honestly best decision I ever made. I feel sorry for all the bakery staff as I know how hard and committed you all are to your jobs. It will change again and again and you would then wish you would have taken that lump sum and got out of this sinking ship
Quote from: Samuel137 on 28-02-20, 11:19PM
20+ racks of soft roll over 3 days is insane!
Quote from: Bakersdozen on 28-02-20, 09:55PM
we make 20+ racks of white roll fri/sat/Sun over hot weekends and still struggle to keep the shelves full.
that's per day mate... we can shift tons when it's hot
Quote from: Bakersdozen on 28-02-20, 09:55PM
I predict alot of bakers will leave, because we are a stubborn long serving breed. s*** hitting the fan in the 6 months after the changes, then if bakers rate is still the same go to your local stores and you'll be calling the shots on hours/days you want (That's if you haven't found something better in the mean time) it will also be Xmas time they will be desperate.
Good luck with that :D but I don't think they will be begging for you back.
8-) that's right mate! Kick em in the teeth while they're down! Feel better for that do you?? God forbid anyone should have any feeling of self worth while you're around eh?
Not at all just being realistic.
Also everyone saying "Take the money" " Get out while you can" is great if you can find a job straight away but a lot of people who took redundancy at the same time I did in 2017 are still struggling.
Even more so those who were older.
I wish them all luck :thumbup:
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Quote from: Bakersdozen on 28-02-20, 09:55PM
I predict alot of bakers will leave, because we are a stubborn long serving breed. s*** hitting the fan in the 6 months after the changes, then if bakers rate is still the same go to your local stores and you'll be calling the shots on hours/days you want (That's if you haven't found something better in the mean time) it will also be Xmas time they will be desperate.
Good luck with that :D but I don't think they will be begging for you back.
With all due respect, with my 14 years experience in the bakery and I'm very confindent other bakers would agree.
Good decent bakers don't just appear once Tesco put jobs up on the website, and to train them up to a good decent standard takes a long time and investment.
It's not and without being rude a job where anyone can fill overnight as with most Tesco GA roles. So please don't take my comment as being cocky. I do back myself as a damn good baker, who can not only produce top quality products but plenty of them.
Put me on a roll machine and I can produce/bake 20 racks of roll per day.
Likewise I can produce a slow of 20+ bags per day. That's a bloody good return of product to wage ratio. You may as a company train new bakers to fit the contracts that suit you, but having that quality/quantity takes experience and time to achieve.
If Tesco is not carefull in this they could do so much damage. The LFL in most bakerys especially the profitable ones could be very comical and leave egg on the face of the big players calling the shots.
Bakersdozen you took the words out of my mouth
Very true not only the roll how about your hot cross they are a night mare to get right without the experience especially as you only make them for a few months a year .
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Quote from: Bakersdozen on 28-02-20, 09:55PM
I predict alot of bakers will leave, because we are a stubborn long serving breed. s*** hitting the fan in the 6 months after the changes, then if bakers rate is still the same go to your local stores and you'll be calling the shots on hours/days you want (That's if you haven't found something better in the mean time) it will also be Xmas time they will be desperate.
Good luck with that :D but I don't think they will be begging for you back.
With all due respect, with my 14 years experience in the bakery and I'm very confindent other bakers would agree.
Good decent bakers don't just appear once Tesco put jobs up on the website, and to train them up to a good decent standard takes a long time and investment.
It's not and without being rude a job where anyone can fill overnight as with most Tesco GA roles. So please don't take my comment as being cocky. I do back myself as a damn good baker, who can not only produce top quality products but plenty of them.
Put me on a roll machine and I can produce/bake 20 racks of roll per day.
Likewise I can produce a slow of 20+ bags per day. That's a bloody good return of product to wage ratio. You may as a company train new bakers to fit the contracts that suit you, but having that quality/quantity takes experience and time to achieve.
If Tesco is not carefull in this they could do so much damage. The LFL in most bakerys especially the profitable ones could be very comical and leave egg on the face of the big players calling the shots.
Maybe so, but most stores bakeries run at a loss hence the decision to mothball them the way of the chicken counters.
Your argument doesn't carry well, as you say "anyone can fill overnight" same rule applies to every job role. There are more efficient staff than others in every role within tesco, fact! There are many GA's that can fill a cage in 20 mins, to others that would take 60 mins, same as on tills and every other department. You're not special regardless of how many rolls you can bake, a machine can do it tenfold more than you will ever do and at a fraction of the cost. Take the redundancy, don't ever look back and take a job where you'll enjoy it without the stress.
I don't tend to come on here alot, I find it sad the amount of bitter and twisted FORMER employees on here that have nothing better to do than bit** about Tesco/managers. Yet also say the "grass is greener" "best thing I done" ect, yet you're on this website still ???
I think overall Tesco has been a great place to work, I do think it's gone down hill for staff moral since Dave Lewis took the helm but I also understand that tough changes are needed. The problem I find is that the directors conjure up these grand ideas with areas to target in the sector/cut back that look great on paper but once in practice flop. Look at Jack's for example.
They have a hard job turning this company around no doubt,i just feel like some of their decisions aren't thought through enough with ground floor level thinking, with the staff on the tools everyday.
When have we ever had a questionnaire where we think the company needs to improve to compete or cut ECT. Because after all there are alot of staff who also count towards that normal market of customers and what we like/dislike and look for with our own shopping experiance.
Quote from: Bakersdozen on 29-02-20, 01:54PM
I don't tend to come on here alot, I find it sad the amount of bitter and twisted FORMER employees on here that have nothing better to do than bit** about Tesco/managers. Yet also say the "grass is greener" "best thing I done" ect, yet you're on this website still ???
I think overall Tesco has been a great place to work, I do think it's gone down hill for staff moral since Dave Lewis took the helm but I also understand that tough changes are needed. The problem I find is that the directors conjure up these grand ideas with areas to target in the sector/cut back that look great on paper but once in practice flop. Look at Jack's for example.
They have a hard job turning this company around no doubt,i just feel like some of their decisions aren't thought through enough with ground floor level thinking, with the staff on the tools everyday.
When have we ever had a questionnaire where we think the company needs to improve to compete or cut ECT. Because after all there are alot of staff who also count towards that normal market of customers and what we like/dislike and look for with our own shopping experiance.
You will be a former employee yourself before long, unless you haven't the balls?
So that being said why are hou still on here?
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Quote from: Tom Hardy on 29-02-20, 10:37AM
Quote from: Bakersdozen on 28-02-20, 09:55PM
I predict alot of bakers will leave, because we are a stubborn long serving breed. s*** hitting the fan in the 6 months after the changes, then if bakers rate is still the same go to your local stores and you'll be calling the shots on hours/days you want (That's if you haven't found something better in the mean time) it will also be Xmas time they will be desperate.
Good luck with that :D but I don't think they will be begging for you back.
With all due respect, with my 14 years experience in the bakery and I'm very confindent other bakers would agree.
Good decent bakers don't just appear once Tesco put jobs up on the website, and to train them up to a good decent standard takes a long time and investment.
It's not and without being rude a job where anyone can fill overnight as with most Tesco GA roles. So please don't take my comment as being cocky. I do back myself as a damn good baker, who can not only produce top quality products but plenty of them.
Put me on a roll machine and I can produce/bake 20 racks of roll per day.
Likewise I can produce a slow of 20+ bags per day. That's a bloody good return of product to wage ratio. You may as a company train new bakers to fit the contracts that suit you, but having that quality/quantity takes experience and time to achieve.
If Tesco is not carefull in this they could do so much damage. The LFL in most bakerys especially the profitable ones could be very comical and leave egg on the face of the big players calling the shots.
Maybe so, but most stores bakeries run at a loss hence the decision to mothball them the way of the chicken counters.
Your argument doesn't carry well, as you say "anyone can fill overnight" same rule applies to every job role. There are more efficient staff than others in every role within tesco, fact! There are many GA's that can fill a cage in 20 mins, to others that would take 60 mins, same as on tills and every other department. You're not special regardless of how many rolls you can bake, a machine can do it tenfold more than you will ever do and at a fraction of the cost. Take the redundancy, don't ever look back and take a job where you'll enjoy it without the stress.
Lol.. "a machine Can do it tenfold" you plonker a machine is what we use to produce the roll. It's all the variables that apply with producing the quality/quantity . The right amount of water/yeast what moulding speed/settings to use. The perfect time to prove the product up enough/ baking times. If you have substandard products from a rubbish baker then the sales from said products won't be as good/more waste. These variables take years to learn.
The problem is with alot of bakeries is the money is there to be taken it's just the team isn't strong enough to produce said quality/quantity.
This is usually because the powers that be will chuck a normal department manager into the bakery who doesn't have a clue what he can expect from his team in terms of quality/quantity. Our Bakery is a leading bakery for sales and quality in our area purely because we've had the same manager for 16 years who knows his stuff and knows when standards aren't up to scratch or a baker isn't pulling thier weight with production amounts.
If you don't have that knowledge at the top bakers can get away with murder and slack to the high heavens without their manager pulling them up.
It is really that straight forward with most failing bakeries I can guarantee experienced bakers who are reading this and 100% agree.
Totally agree.
Quote from: Hammer10 on 29-02-20, 02:40PM
Totally agree.
Spot on with your comment about the hot-x it takes me a week to remember all my little tricks to get them top spec ;D I made 18 racks good Friday last year. yet the only thing i remembered was how sick of them I was ;D
I really hope they don't ruin bakeries with these changes. The offer of freshly baked breads & rolls shouldn't be over looked lightly. I mean who can deny how appetizing the smell of freshly baked bread/hot-x is when you walk into a store.
That subconsciously adds so much to a shopping experience not to mention the increase in sales from getting the customers hungry :D 8)
Quote from: Bakersdozen on 29-02-20, 02:20PM
It is really that straight forward with most failing bakeries I can guarantee experienced bakers who are reading this and 100% agree.
i agree.. i work in one that had some real machines for blokes lol we were doing over double money less than 10 years ago ... standards have fallen and experience is gone, im defeated and i give up, i cant chase c**p staff around all day trying to plug the gaps and c**p they produce .im tired, its exhausting ... on a fun note though, managers that don't have a clue are always fun :P
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Quote from: Bakersdozen on 29-02-20, 02:20PM
It is really that straight forward with most failing bakeries I can guarantee experienced bakers who are reading this and 100% agree.
i agree.. i work in one that had some real machines for blokes lol we were doing over double money less than 10 years ago ... standards have fallen and experience is gone, im defeated and i give up, i cant chase c**p staff around all day trying to plug the gaps and c**p they produce .im tired, its exhausting ... on a fun note though, managers that don't have a clue are always fun :P
;D ;D ;D
I apologise for hijacking thd post but there is rumours that click and collect pods are going to be unmanned in a trail. Anyone else heard this?
No not heard that one yet....right back to the poor bakery staff up for redundancy !!!
I really think if you're a bakery manager/fresh lead you should go over and above at trying to keep your better bakers. Because ultimately if you are left with lower qualtity bakers it is yourselfs (if you're skilled) who is going to pick up the slack or cover holidays(because a lack of bakers wanting the O/T).
The days of the bakery manager on walkies around the store all day are very numbered. If I was in a managers shoes I would pick the guys willing to do that extra mix with no grumbles willing to pick up that extra Sunday shift overtime regardless if they point lower on availability ECT.
Good luck to all bakers. We've worked hard at crafting our skill and are a passionate long serving bunch let's hope we get to keep what we love doing.
Havnt got many options I'm afraid. Take redundancy, reduce hours in bakery as a GA or move to another store if there is s job match. Look on Tesco job site, how many full time jobs are there let alone bakers jobs.
Is bakery in a supermarket really a skilled job? Couldn't any GA be taught to do it in a few weeks, just like learning the back door/warehouse for example? Am I very wrong?
Mate your very brave saying that wow that is typical coming from someone who knows jack shi@ about bakery. Have you even been and had a look in a bakery and what bakers do! But you are right to the point that after a few weeks someone could add flour to a bowl with water and yeast but it takes a very long time to perfect the product you produce. It also comes down to self pride in what you make. Every bakery is different to another and bakers work differently. But we are a different breed to the rest of the store. You will not see the same quality of bread in every Tesco bakery and that is down to the bakers. Yeah mate you could learn in 2 weeks but I tell you now you would be producing sub standard products.
Quote from: Baker4life on 29-02-20, 10:05PM
Mate your very brave saying that wow that is typical coming from someone who knows jack shi@ about bakery. Have you even been and had a look in a bakery and what bakers do! But you are right to the point that after a few weeks someone could add flour to a bowl with water and yeast but it takes a very long time to perfect the product you produce. It also comes down to self pride in what you make. Every bakery is different to another and bakers work differently. But we are a different breed to the rest of the store. You will not see the same quality of bread in every Tesco bakery and that is down to the bakers. Yeah mate you could learn in 2 weeks but I tell you now you would be producing sub standard products.
Bloody hell, you're not making a work of art🤦â€â™,ï¸
It's bloody rolls for christ sake🤦â€â™,ï¸
99.9% of people wouldn't notice the difference and a 100% of people couldn't care either!
If you're that highly skilled and your rolls are the best then go self employed and start your own business if you're that good! 🤷â€â™,ï¸
Quote from: optout on 29-02-20, 08:34PM
Is bakery in a supermarket really a skilled job? Couldn't any GA be taught to do it in a few weeks, just like learning the back door/warehouse for example? Am I very wrong?
This is exactly the type of attitude I dread that the big bosses have, and also will be the reason that all the bakers who get made redundant will be laughing thier socks off if the cuts are too deep and bakery hits the skids.
As we are the people who know all too well what it takes. I'm sure I won't be the only one saying I told you so. This is the only department that is very dangerous to cut as it could all come crumbling down if they f*** up.
Be all on your high horses looking down at the bakery and it's offer to customers at your peril. I know alot of customers will go else where especially older ones if they can't get a good choice of fresh bread/baguettes & rolls , and people come summer will go straight to our competitors for roll at bbq time. And they will buy the rest of their shopping there Too, that's where the damage will come from.
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You should be ashamed of yourselves :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
People are going to be losing their jobs in this latest cull and this will have a huge imact on them and their families lives.
Lets get this back on topic please......
Mr grumpy could not agree more with your statement come on guys people will probably be losing their jobs we need to be supporting them and giving positive and constructive advise to help bakers make the right decisions for the future
What would make this complete is the “Oracle “ to add their statement to this ...oh hang on they don’t really comment on the weekend, they spend most of their life on here usually Monday or Friday whilst doing their “superior “ job that they have happily told us in a dilution of about 200 messages that they have achieved...
Rather then bickering and having a willy waving contest lets use this a place to support everyone going through this stressful time.
Everyone is allowed a difference of opionion but when half the thread is people slinging insults all the good info gets lost.
I was an effective colleague during the counters in may so happy to help the bakers in any way to help the.them make the right decisions
I know it’s difficult but why don’t you all stop having a go at one another and just take your redundancy and go...there are people who have devoted almost 3 decades to a company that frankly doesn’t give a s***, and that’s the loyalty and thanks you all get. It’s pathetic. You all need to leave Tesco because ultimately the company deserves to fall with how it’s run. You’re all losing your jobs yet management are upstairs in six hour meetings looking at new options candidates and who they can promote to management. I’ve never seen such a top heavy company and because of this they expect you all to do the work of 6 people. Don’t let the assholes in charge get you down, I was told i wouldn’t find employment after Tesco and now I’m earning 4x my Tesco wage and I’m sure people still talk about me in my old store because they hate success and are bitter. Leave Tesco now it will be the best feeling of your life I guarantee it ! Take the money and RUN , and never look back
It's you that needs to leave. You have a new job with a new company but you can't let go. Just move on, it's time to say goodbye.
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I am surprised by the lack of information coming in so far, I guess the one to one meetings must be starting this week.
Being a former baker myself I know very well the pride and passion people have baking from scratch. The loss of job security and financial uncertainty is bad enough, but it's a bit different when you love what you do. I hope all affected bakers find the same job elsewhere doing what they love, Morrisons has said they'll take on Tescos lost bakers but to add to this, artisan bakeries are making a resurgence, artisan independent bakeries are popping up in more affluent locations.
What makes it worse is the lack of actually what the changes are, and the way Tesco have just gave us a snippet of info then just leaving us stew for 2-3 weeks untill the heatmaps come down is bloody cruel.
I would definitely say it is affecting my mental health right now. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Lay off it would you mate.
Discuss the issue(s) not the personalities.
I myself is stressed waiting to see what the package may be. I know there are no full time jobs in my store so my choices are take whatever the redundancy will be, reduce my hours once they have been arranged and take a huge pay cut. Very few full time jobs in other Tesco stores let alone near me. Just keeping s brave face Infront of the young kiddies at home. Don't want them seeing me worried but obviously inside I am bricking it.
Quote from: Baker4life on 01-03-20, 05:06PM
I myself is stressed waiting to see what the package may be. I know there are no full time jobs in my store so my choices are take whatever the redundancy will be, reduce my hours once they have been arranged and take a huge pay cut. Very few full time jobs in other Tesco stores let alone near me. Just keeping s brave face Infront of the young kiddies at home. Don't want them seeing me worried but obviously inside I am bricking it.
In the same position myself, although I don't think any information on full time contracts has been given. Unless you are a store going to full bake off, there may be light at the end of the tunnel yet.
I would take talk of no full time baker contracts with a pinch of salt otherwise that would be far more widespread if true.
My position is, full time, fully skilled(same pay). With the hours I'm willing to do (flexible but not compromising to my family commitments)
If I get a job offer great, if not then I'd be gutted, but looking at 17k if the calculater on here is accurate. Then in my estimate gives me a fair amount of time to find something else, worse case go back to one of my local stores in 6 months and see what's available Baker jobs wise.
Only a small bakery and going full bake off so yeah no full time jobs. Gutted
Quote from: optout on 29-02-20, 08:34PM
Is bakery in a supermarket really a skilled job? Couldn't any GA be taught to do it in a few weeks, just like learning the back door/warehouse for example? Am I very wrong?
Really like to see a GA make bread when the plant goes down ( and it does ) the skill aspect does not just mean mixing and sticking in an oven there is a lot more to it hence there are training programs from trainee to semi skilled to skilled
I totally agree. Unfortunately there are people who think it is a piece of cake to make a loaf of bread.
Every time we tried to recruit for a bakers position no one applied. In our store people always stayed clear of bakery. Would be great if every person who thought anyone could be a baker had a few weeks in there to give it a go. Would love to see how many would find it so easy as some say
Quote from: Baker4life on 01-03-20, 06:07PM
Only a small bakery and going full bake off so yeah no full time jobs. Gutted
Ah ok mate, very sad to hear, and if I'm being honest very believable if going full bake off. Seen that a few in these stores have already been offered redundancy straight up (not sure if figures given)
Have you got many stores that you are willing to travel to That you potentially may be able to get in? I know two other stores near me that were struggling for bakers before the changes. So there is always opportunity in other stores if available.
Have many years service have you done again?
I can only speak for my store but it has taken years to gain a loyal customer base who travel far and wide just to buy our bread and that is no exaggeration. Many a time I have heard customers bypass other supermarkets who do bake off to come to our bakery for s fresh loaf. I'm still a little shocked at the reality of going bske off as I know how poor the products are. We have had the odd box of French sticks come in or crusty rolls and they are a complete joke compared to the real deal. Will never buy a bake off bread. Customers aren't idiots, they too will see the difference and jump ship elsewhere.
Nearly 20 years bud
Unless any bakers jobs near me up for grabs I can't see many options. When you have a mortgage and a family to support how can you be expected to go from full time baker to part time packer! Ideally want to stay in baking, it's my passion and really all I have ever done but family comes first and to be honest don't care what I do as long as it keeps a roof over my families heads, number 1 priority.
Quote from: Baker4life on 01-03-20, 06:36PM
Unless any bakers jobs near me up for grabs I can't see many options. When you have a mortgage and a family to support how can you be expected to go from full time baker to part time packer! Ideally want to stay in baking, it's my passion and really all I have ever done but family comes first and to be honest don't care what I do as long as it keeps a roof over my families heads, number 1 priority.
Totally agree, with over 20 years that should be a nice amount, even more so if you are over 41,
I'm in the same boat I have kids, mortgage ect. Most of bakers I know are long serving in Tesco could get very expensive.
Absolutely spot on about bake off products especially the French, and that's not just us being picky bakers the quality is night and day difference and the LFL in the stores for these products will paint that picture for sure.
Nice to know someone on my wave length. To be fair most bakers would agree. If your a baker you all know what you do and it is skilled I don't care what anyone says. We were told the cut in bakers was because of customers buying more bagels and wraps and not traditional loafs. Well we struggle to keep up with bread and I know wraps get reduced everyday. Very rarely does bread get wasted because it also gets sliced and fail that gets chucked in bread pudding. I could have stomached it a bit more if the powers that be just were honest and said it's to save on wages. But no they have to make something else up. The more I talk about it the more I think you know what let them get on with it and get out while the wonga is on the table.
To be honest our store is a bit different, even if we slice the loaves the next day the majority get reduced, we reduce tons of batons every night etc while confec sells well. However this is just one store and so i do agree with you it seems management are just trying to think of any old excuse to cut staff
You can also take credence in the fact that, similar to the deli counters layoffs, the reduction in service and variety of goods will result in the alienation of some of their customer base meaning more defectors to their competitors, this is short term gain for long term losses, Morrisons is hiring and with their partnership with a giant like Amazon (who can buy Tesco many times over) as well and Aldi and Lidl yet to max out real estate, there will be plenty of fish in the sea.
Our store which is an extra, after 7.30 is a ghost shop. Cashiers sitting doing nothing. Most of our customers prefer to bypass humans and use self scan.
RHRP definitely needs to identify this
@blablabla I agree with you regarding amazon. they are in the process of building gigantic food wharehouse near to me and when it is completed I expect Tosco and all it's main competitors will take a major hit on their home delivery services. I have it on good authority that the people in the process of setting this place up are mainly ex high level Tosco employees have have been made redundant taking with them years of expertise and massive golden handshakes to boot. :( :( :(
In Tesco today looking for whiteboard marker pens £10 . Exact same item £5. On amazon it’s a no brainier. Retail is changing in Tesco and our high streets. We are all in for a bumpy ride the more AI that comes our way the less chance we have of holding onto our jobs
Quote from: mexicopete on 07-03-20, 03:52PM
@blablabla I agree with you regarding amazon. they are in the process of building gigantic food wharehouse near to me and when it is completed I expect Tosco and all it's main competitors will take a major hit on their home delivery services. I have it on good authority that the people in the process of setting this place up are mainly ex high level Tosco employees have have been made redundant taking with them years of expertise and massive golden handshakes to boot. :( :( :(
Yes but the problem is all these haigh level tesco experts will taint a different company with all the micky mouse BS proceedures , logs, and paperwork they are used to.
Already got frozen bread come in on delivery over weekend ready for the change over to bake off. Honestly looks like dog shi#, small flat loafs of bread. Funny thing is if the bakers in my store produced the same quality of bread I've no doubt we would get pulled up on it and even taken in the office if it continues. But it's ok to put the same quality frozen bread out for the customer. Double standards comes to mind.
When it does start watch the customers go elsewhere for their bread and also their shopping there is a saying but I can’t remember I think it’s penny rich pound poor.I have had a few customers already asked me what’s happening and they said when it does happen they will shop elsewhere.
Currently working in a non-scratch bakery and been notified of the changes a few weeks back. Very limited info from management, other than a threatening "You're not going anywhere" statement from the store manager. 19 years service with Tesco, full time on a flexible contract. What are my options as don't want to lose hours, don't really want to be jumping around depts as looks like the way it's going, just really want a redundancy payment and to leave.
Is this possible or am I stuck as I'm on a Flexi contract? Thanks for all the answers.
If your non scratch bakery not really going to change ? Also flexi contract 19 hrs can’t imagine they would cut that amount of hrs
They're looking to change start hours to 2 hours earlier and cut 2 staff to just one plus support from various GAs throughout the day. Currently on 36.5 hours Flexi contract. 19 Years service. Moral in store is at an all time low with managers spending their shifts in the canteen or local Greggs!
Like most here, just want answers to know future and prefer redundancy to just escape.
How long have you been on a flexi contract? Why and when was it changed? 36.5 hour flexi is unusual?
It was changed three years ago when I returned to the store from another store. Previously was on full time contracts but at that stage they were no longer able to offer them but allowed me to keep the full time hours. It's the loss of hours, income plus the possibility of having to work on 3-4 depts just to keep my hours up. You can see why redundancy is a good option, it's just whether it will be offered as I'm Flexi.
Now it has always been my understanding that if you do the same hours / contract continuously for 2 years or more than it becomes your recognised shift pattern.
Also you haven't filled in an availability form in all this time, but do you have core hours and the hours made up to full time, or are your core hours 36.5?
You're correct that the shift pattern I'm on is recognised. I completed my availability about 10 days ago for them but made sure to only put my current shift as the availability. My store manager asked why I had not put Sunday as this is a new rule that you are required to do this if you ever want overtime on this day. I didn't add it as I know they are making it all up as they go along.
It's things like this that make me trust the management less and less. We also have an issue where a couple of the union reps have not worked out what confidential means and chat freely to everyone about the bakery information. Starting to be concerned there is nobody in Tesco management that will give a straight answer.
Then you stick to what you've put...in your next 1-2-1 meeting, ask the manager (innocently) the reason why you're now required to put Sunday's on your availability forms, as you'd been advised ( don't say by who) that it is still voluntary? They will (or should) ask you who said you had to? Tell them who and what was said! This should be all written down in your notes...take that lying SM down before you go!
If the reps are talking about individuals, and what was said in meetings...phone your USDAW area office and make a complaint. If they are just talking about the bakery situation in general, then it's not really a breach of confidence.
You don't have to have a rep present, you can take another trusted colleague in, who has the same rights as a rep, as they are your chosen representative.
The SM we had, told us all categorically that there would be no redundancies, so be as flexible as possible...yea that didn't wash, 2 had matched hours, one took a drop, and the rest of us stuck to our contracted hours and got redundancy...didn't even get a goodbye, she hid in her office on our last day!
Many thanks for this advice. I think it's a case of sit it out and see what happens for the meantime until the heat map arrives and they start to divide up the hours.
Does anyone know how long we are supposed to have from the first 121 meeting to the proposed change in bakery? How long is the consultation meant to be? Is there a minimum amount of time? Cheers
Iam under the impression that heat map lands week 3, going by what the company has stated about being implemented by May. So take 45 days from that (that's the consultation time, from being told) puts it at week 3 so expect to hear that week. Unless heat map is late...
But once we have our first 121 meetings from the 6th April that just leaves 3 weeks till May when they want the changes to begin. Surely that isn't long enough.
That's why I'd question the 6th of April, have you seen it in writing? I don't trust anything unless in ink. 3 weeks isn't long enough has to be 45 days, in that case would be mid May.
Been told 27th March as that’s exactly 45 days, process must start that day, if colleagues not in, can be invited in but if not a available then the process starts that day. Same as the stock control / counters last year.
Have you all actually been told officially if your bakeries are going full part bake of simplified scratch? Our store has actually told us nothing at all, store manager doesn't even mention it and bakery manager saying no info on what happening.
Just a bit frustrating being kept in the dark.
So I'm currently working 28 hours on a pure bake off bakery, no scratch at all (small store). I filled in my availability form today and just put down the days and hours I'm already working.
I'm hoping for redundancy as I've been there 16 years now and it's just not a nice place to work anymore, I'm worried though that as it's not a scratch bakery and my shift ends at 6pm anyway that my hours won't really be affected. Have I any hope for a payoff?
Our bakery is going fully part bake, was told day 1, redundancy calculation figures given out that weekend to bakers and packers,
We can only speculate as too the heat map, who knows what the plan is. My guess would be a 4am or later start, for the simple scratch stuff. As for product lines, I think more than brown will be part baked, anyone else had small split/farmhouse turn up? Sign of what's to come in the end. Anyone thinking about taking reduced hours, be wise. I can see it all going in the not too distant future.
Baker4life our store been told same dates as you and it is only 4 weeks how can this be right
Yes three weeks not long enough I thought 45 days was the consultation period. Do we have any rights or do we just suck it up and accept the three week period. Spoke to union rep in store and even they havnt been briefed on the situation. No information given out at all. No redundancy calculation given out have to wait till 6th April at earliest.
Ok this is my understanding on redundancies and notice. If less than 20 people then no minimum notice required, basically they can give you as little notice as they like. 20-99 people minimum of 30 days consultation, 100+ people would be 45 days. Now this is my next question, do these numbers reflect your own store or as a company? If it's a company then surely it would be 45 days, if it's your individual store I'm afraid it would be less than 20 people so they can do the hell they want. But which one is it?
Company so 45 days.
Quote from: polar on 09-03-20, 11:17PM
We can only speculate as too the heat map, who knows what the plan is. My guess would be a 4am or later start, for the simple scratch stuff. As for product lines, I think more than brown will be part baked, anyone else had small split/farmhouse turn up? Sign of what's to come in the end. Anyone thinking about taking reduced hours, be wise. I can see it all going in the not too distant future.
Told 3am start for dot com stores 4am for non
Interesting, anyone else noticed that brown isb bread is not available till after 2pm on dot com.
Trolleyboy thanks. So are you 1000 percent sure it's 45 days, because in my store I will only get 22 days! Is that legal?
https://www.breathehr.com/blog/how-long-is-the-redundancy-consultation-period (https://www.breathehr.com/blog/how-long-is-the-redundancy-consultation-period)
QuoteThere is no time limit on how long a consultation period lasts but for 20 to 99 employees it must be a minimum of 30 days. For 100 redundancies or more, it has to be 45 days before dismissal.
If you’re a small business looking to make less than 20 people redundant there is no minimum time for a consultation but your consultation period should be considered “meaningful†or the redundancy might be deemed to be unfair.
For 20 employees or more - As well as adhering to the minimum periods you need to notify the Redundancy Payments Service before any consultation starts. You’ll need to consult with trade union reps, or elected employee representatives if your staff don’t belong to a trade union.
Are people not aware that we are in 45 day consultation now? I wasn’t but have been sent the timetable by a union rep, those being made redundant finish Sat May 2nd.
No I wasn't, thought it had to be in writing. >:(
Tribunal it is then for not following process at no time have I been told I am in consultation.
Quote from: Baker1 on 10-03-20, 03:29PM
Are people not aware that we are in 45 day consultation now? I wasn’t but have been sent the timetable by a union rep, those being made redundant finish Sat May 2nd.
Can you post a picture up?
It says monday and tuesday of week 1, March 2nd. I haven’t been informed either and was told in availability meeting on thursday this was all informal with no need for a rep until individual meetings.
I know I will be in consultation but first meeting isn't till 6th April so I thought that was the beginning of the consultation
Quote from: polar on 10-03-20, 03:58PM
Quote from: Baker1 on 10-03-20, 03:29PM
Are people not aware that we are in 45 day consultation now? I wasn’t but have been sent the timetable by a union rep, those being made redundant finish Sat May 2nd.
Can you post a picture up?
I keep trying to add it but it comes up with a blank white page, then i get an error message saying i have already added this message, any ideas what to do?
No mate may admin can help?
Quote from: polar on 10-03-20, 04:09PM
No mate may admin can help?
Hopefully someone can help, i have tried 5 times bow but when i click post it just goes to the blank white page
Tried Google photos, and post a link?
Sorry, looking into it.
Quote from: Baker4life on 10-03-20, 04:00PM
I know I will be in consultation but first meeting isn't till 6th April so I thought that was the beginning of the consultation
collective consultation started when this was announced,
https://cdn.ourtesco.com/2019/08/05133905/colleagues-qa-july-19.pdf
Even when was first announced it still won't be 45 days
No it says the start was Monday and Tuesday of week 1 is the start of Collective consultation of 45 days
But told end of consultation is 1st May, so what does that mean as not 45 days
may 1st is nearly 60 days from 2nd march
It says closure of collective consultation wednesday of Week 7, week of April 13th, then week 9 April 27th, final individual consultation meetings and issue official notice of redundancy, then leave date on the saturday.
What a joke. Thought consultation begins when we have our 121 meetings. So from first meetings we have 3 weeks to decide to take alternative roles or redundancy if offered. Makes me laugh so since we were first told what actual information has been given to us! Anyone been given redundancy figures? Availability sheets due in tomorrow.
Damm straight it's a joke. Luckily I've not hung around ;) but still....
Quote from: Baker4life on 10-03-20, 06:02PM
What a joke. Thought consultation begins when we have our 121 meetings. So from first meetings we have 3 weeks to decide to take alternative roles or redundancy if offered. Makes me laugh so since we were first told what actual information has been given to us! Anyone been given redundancy figures? Availability sheets due in tomorrow.
Yes it is a complete joke, no info at all, just keep getting told to wait until the heat map drops and then the next meeting we will find out if at risk of redundancy. Its a shambles as usual.
Just been reading the Stores Collective Consultation minutes. Does anyone understand the section on Pooling Principles? From the way it’s written, anyone with 50% or more of their hours worked in the bakery will be included in the pool regardless of their contracted dept. Only those with 50% or less will be considered for redundancy if their hours are reduced by 20% or less.
Makes no sense that full time bakery staff are shipped off to other depts not knowing where they’ll go. This is a bake off store, not scratch.
Thanks.
Where do you find a copy of that ?
Found it in this section
https://colleague-help.ourtesco.com/hc/en-us/articles/360038303452-Supporting-you-through-change-How-does-collective-consultation-work
:thumbup:
Usdaw reps emailed today. Can everyone shed any light as to email?
Any news on whether this restructure will be delayed by the Coronavirus. At a time when shops are crazily busy is it right managers and reps are off the floor in meetings?
Quote from: polar on 12-03-20, 03:14PM
Usdaw reps emailed today. Can everyone shed any light as to email?
Just asked a rep, said no email received today so far and haven’t been told of one incoming.
Reps are usually the last to know anything!
Our rep told us. We'll good as always
i was told by the manger we wont hear anything till the 5 of April but you can apply for jobs and go for job interviews but dont accept any job as you could be job matched what a crazy company we work for it is unbelievable
Bakery manager told me they have a pack with how many hours they are losing, start times and 3 different scenarios for stores based on takings. Had it confirmed by another bakery manager as well.
Quote from: sadoldman on 12-03-20, 06:39PM
i was told by the manger we wont hear anything till the 5 of April but you can apply for jobs and go for job interviews but dont accept any job as you could be job matched what a crazy company we work for it is unbelievable
That's good of him...anyone can apply for jobs whenever they like! As for attending interviews, are they going to allow paid time off to attend...no...because you are not under consultation for redundancy so they are not obliged to grant you paid time off.
On one hand, maybe the manager is advising you have a back up plan. On the other hand, maybe hoping you'll find another job and leave, forgoing your redundancy and leaving more hours for others to be job matched ??? It's the cynic in me :-X
We are already in consultation and have been given our redundancy figures we are going full bake off
Have you been given your redundancy date then?
Are you all taking 4 half days on full pay to go to ;) interviews ;)
Tattooyou in your redundancy did you get the Tesco service element aswell as the statutory? Is the vlh calculator accurate to your package? Cheers. Still waiting to hear mine
Obviously loads of rumours of what's actually going on but the amount of staff and managers telling the bakers there won't be a redundancy package and will have to relocate to shop floor is crazy at the minute.
And they have full time hours available on the shop floor do they ???
Job codes are the same are they? Isn't that a demotion?
While all this is going on with the virus will they scrap it.
can't help but think this is why they seperated the skills payment,they could get you in the bakery for 3 hours a day with skills payment,then the rest of your pay just ga rate with your hours elsewhere in the store
Quote from: lucgeo on 14-03-20, 11:02AM
And they have full time hours available on the shop floor do they ???
100% don't have full time hours anywhere, that's why it's being taken with a pinch of salt.
Quote from: Hammer10 on 14-03-20, 12:06PM
While all this is going on with the virus will they scrap it.
There's no collective consultation minutes for meeting 2, uploaded yet. Not sure if the meeting took place or not. Anyone know?
we have now been told that we where over 60 hours over now that has gone down to just over 50 hours anything to save paying out redundancy joke of a company they dont know there ass from there elbow
It is my understanding from an old PM manager with years of experience I'm Toscos, that they can offer you an alternative role', but the role has to be like fir like..I'm a packer in the bakery on 23hrs..I start at 6..new hrs start at 5 I canning get there for 5 they said we maybe able to tweak the hrs to 6, I said no that's not what the heat map says the heat map says 5...what's the point in having a heat map?
My job role to pack bread, rolls ect fill intore bakery racks, another collegue does pastries slices bread
New job role...working on my own go to freezer hump boxes about in a freezer that you know is going to be rammed to the rafters load a cage pull it back to bakery..tray up...bake off in oven...remove from oven...
Sorry completely different job role..give me my money I'm off..👍
And just because they offer you another job on the shop floor doesn't mean you have to accept it..it has to be suitable for you..they will try everything they can to get away without giving us redundancy..I detest this company and its sly underhanded way they treat it's long serving members of staff who have served them well over the years..
So has anyone seen what the redundancy package looks like? Not much information, very quiet on that front. There are no full time baker jobs on Tesco job site so will not be like for like. Unless you want to reduce hours just to stay.
I'd be very interested on the impact IR35 will have on Tesco, it may not directly effect the front line staff, but could see a mass exodus of highly specialised and very senior roles based in Head Office.
https://www.explore-group.com/blog/ir35-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/bp101/
Just read the new notes from the second Union and Tesco meeting. They have unsurprisingly turned down the Unions request for voluntary redundancies. Not sure if they are on OurTesco yet, i just got sent them from a Union Rep.
Quote from: takethemoneyandrun on 15-03-20, 06:34AM
It is my understanding from an old PM manager with years of experience I'm Toscos, that they can offer you an alternative role', but the role has to be like fir like..I'm a packer in the bakery on 23hrs..I start at 6..new hrs start at 5 I canning get there for 5 they said we maybe able to tweak the hrs to 6, I said no that's not what the heat map says the heat map says 5...what's the point in having a heat map?
My job role to pack bread, rolls ect fill intore bakery racks, another collegue does pastries slices bread
New job role...working on my own go to freezer hump boxes about in a freezer that you know is going to be rammed to the rafters load a cage pull it back to bakery..tray up...bake off in oven...remove from oven...
Sorry completely different job role..give me my money I'm off..👍
And just because they offer you another job on the shop floor doesn't mean you have to accept it..it has to be suitable for you..they will try everything they can to get away without giving us redundancy..I detest this company and its sly underhanded way they treat it's long serving members of staff who have served them well over the years..
That sounds the way our bakery runs just now. We have two people some days. Sometimes we only have one person in and still have to do the lot :)
Anyone heard anything. Is it been delayed or are we still up for the chop?
Still going a head are sm told us info down but hasn't got time to go over it he said >:D
I just want my money got a job at morrisons lined up...
A week ago would have grabbed it with both hands, now who knows...
Yeah not sure what to do now?
Just find it mad that still going ahead in this current situation how can people find jobs, every Tom,dick harry looking now
Redundancy is put back till July but there will still be changes to bakery but bakers will be on shop floor. Till lock down is over
Where have you heard that ?
Can't believe that especially after recruiting all the temp staff lately.
Quote from: Secret1972 on 25-03-20, 01:01PM
Redundancy is put back till July but there will still be changes to bakery but bakers will be on shop floor. Till lock down is over
I'm self isolating at the moment is this news confirmed ?
Heard nothing form sm ,just said heat was down trying to find time to
Look at
Union dropped a email. Can't copy it as its disappeared but all on track. You can differ it back till 22 August, and join the temporary ranks. Obviously job would depend.
I was looking to copy the email , like you say its disappeared.
So if union have dropped an email I take it Tesco will tell all affected staff from tomorrow!!!
We've been told official today that they are still going ahead with the changes it has not been put back or on hold
Redundancy will still be on the 2 of may but you will have a choice to stay until August 22 I think, but on another department,if needed you would be asked to work in the bakery
Can u take voluntary redundancy
No you can't.
No voluntary redundancy as it may upset people who don't get it.
So still get redundancy pay end of May, but then get the option sign temp contract til end of August?
No, wouldn't thought so. More like, finish May, go temp. The end of August receive redundancy. But could be wrong of course, strange times we are in.
Strange times indeed !!
Yeah if you stay until August that's when you get your redundancy
Suppose depends if you already have a job lined up or not. But I would be tempted to just take the wedge in May
sod that .. email disappeared lol poof ??? has anyone got any actual proof this is postponed or not?
Baker in store was took in today. Its different for packers none was took in
Has anyone had 121 meetings yet not ones that are going 100% partbake but those that are just reducing range ? Any info would be great
No meetings at my shop no information at all why don't they bring it forward at least for the people in 12 week isolation i.e. me.
Its unfair to put people in a worrying situation (redundancy) with what's going on in the world, at present if people want to be made redundant and enjoy their life while they can then the right thing should be done. The lack of information is out of order be safe.
Got a meeting today just been told .2 full time and a parttime jobs one 5am one 8am and a 6pm finish
Cheesy cob what size store you at and are you going part bake or full bake off. So far heard jack s***.
Superstore going part bake, just doing white
:( Today i have been given the job list for the new roles and i feel sick... they want so much from such little staff.. i need advice, if i've been baking all these years and now they want over half my job to packing. Is that a like for like job or can i turn it down and take redundo
Don't worry or panic over your role, just do what you can. Whatever is left just pass onto your manager to pick the pieces.
With the new information coming through can bakers state what type of bakery you are with your job roles just to help others have a clearer picture with different types of bakery set ups.
Quote from: BakerBum on 26-03-20, 12:04PM
:( Today i have been given the job list for the new roles and i feel sick... they want so much from such little staff.. i need advice, if i've been baking all these years and now they want over half my job to packing. Is that a like for like job or can i turn it down and take redundo
It all hangs on whether they're saying you've been job matched?
scratch store going white only, and yeah im being matched to the hours avail .. its just about 50% of what i would be doing is just packing stuff where as now i barely pack anything
Quote from: Paulie on 26-03-20, 12:24PM
Don't worry or panic over your role, just do what you can. Whatever is left just pass onto your manager to pick the pieces.
wouldn't that mean im not suited to the job then though and they would have the grounds to manage me and say you should be getting this done because this guideline says that it should only take this long ?
If you've been job matched, then redundancy is not an option.
The time allocating for each task, is never right, and if you are struggling to acheive it, there are a number of options.
You may find that the feedback from most stores is that the tasking is unachievable. Is the new role specifically giving timescales for each task. e.g. Baking 8-12, packing 1-5? If that is the case, you would adhere to that rota...therefore if a baker was on holiday, they should not ask you to cover that shift instead of the packing shift, as, I am of the belief, that would be against the redundancy guidelines, as they have declared that you are not required for that shift so they would need to cover it with overtime. It could be reviewed after six months.
There is also the capability study request.
Also a conduct V's capability meetings.
Has anyone else heard about those who have received their redundancy calculation being given the option to stay a few months then ? all quiet in our store.
If going to lose skill money over the next few years. I don't see that as a job
Match can I just say I want the money
You should be able to do aspects of the bakery ,this is the trouble many have been been stuck doing the same for years and no one likes change if you want a job you need to suck it up I know it’s harsh but the way things are now there won’t be many jobs out there for some time.
Quote from: BakerBum on 26-03-20, 12:04PM
:( Today i have been given the job list for the new roles and i feel sick... they want so much from such little staff.. i need advice, if i've been baking all these years and now they want over half my job to packing. Is that a like for like job or can i turn it down and take redundo
When you have to pack are they taking away the skilled payment or are you keeping it.
Surely if you are a baker how can you be job matched doing a packers job. The baker role is being made redundant in my store so I can't see how I could be job matched packing part bake products and being classed as a g.a. Even if they match the number of hours the job title would have changed. Funny 4 weeks ago bakers were no longer needed in some stores, now the shi@ has hit the fan we are now classed as 'key workers'.
@mr blobby
That is a good question, as if their job match means a drop in hourly rate per part shift, then they shouldn't be able to push you to take a drop in payment, even if it is protected.
Think I will get job matched in hours as having a 5-1 so called baker, packer
But I really what redundancy so not sure how I can get a pay out if I job matched, must be a loop hole or something anyone have any ideas....
Quote from: cheesy cob on 26-03-20, 04:51PM
must be a loop hole or something anyone have any ideas....
thats what i want lol
now i had a nap the list doesn't look so scary. but it seems like i need to grow another set of hands :thumbdown: plus you really have to work as a team and i don't have much faith in that lol
Quote from: mr blobby on 26-03-20, 03:42PM
When you have to pack are they taking away the skilled payment or are you keeping it.
i think its all as a skill baker, but still seems a bit crazy to do unskilled packing at that rate.. this one i have to wait to find out :thumbup:
I can't see them paying bakers rate if doing more packing but you never know.
Alternative position should be very similar in pay, hours, shift times, skill level, responsibility and distance from home, if in employees opinion it is unreasonable in one or more of those criteria then it can be refused.
Me and another baker both put down the same hours and been told have one job matched as going to be a job for 5-1 .how can they offer one without the other both done over 15 years service.he works Sunday's I don't. We both want redundancy any one know how they choose
They'll probably keep whoever works Sunday
There are 9 levels to choose from it was on the the last USDAw update they look at disciplinary record whether anyone has a live warning ,what you can offer the company regards level of experience ,can you hand mould,sickness record ,and other things like these.hope this helps.
I'm a baker in a store where we're still doing all white from scratch, browns moving to part bake. I've been told that the bakery operating hours are going to be 3am-6pm. I know they want a baker to start at 3am, but other then that we've been told no other shifts. The 5-1 shift that has been suggested on here, is that in a store like mine or a full part bake store? Also is that going to be for a baker or a packer?
An update came earlier in the week, the 3am is now an unskilled shift, the baker start time is advised as 8am
Unskilled at 3am, skilled at 8am. Who does the actual baking?
The unskilled person bakes off everything, slow, pastries, part bake. Then later on packs. Its a massive job. The baker starts at 8 and makes roll for the day, then has to pack it later.
What about white bread?
Yeah all slow french and white bread as well
Must be a skill baking white bread and sticks
The conversation we had yesterday, it was hinted to us that the skilled jobs would be 3am starts. We were asked if the availability forms we submitted were actually the best we could do. From the conversation we’ve had as bakers, none of us have put 3am down as the earliest we could start.
Quote from: Hammer10 on 26-03-20, 03:29PM
You should be able to do aspects of the bakery ,this is the trouble many have been been stuck doing the same for years and no one likes change if you want a job you need to suck it up I know it’s harsh but the way things are now there won’t be many jobs out there for some time.
I have been packing between ovens for years quicker then the paid packer I can do every job in the bakery so this will not be anything different for me and help the production baker when I am not doing production actualy sounds easier job for me
Quote from: Baker1 on 28-03-20, 10:57AM
The unskilled person bakes off everything, slow, pastries, part bake. Then later on packs. Its a massive job. The baker starts at 8 and makes roll for the day, then has to pack it later.
i think your wrong .. as i have the form in front of me and it says colleague 1, colleague 2 and pm colleague... the first two are skill bakers .. one to bake morning bread and french and pack everything.... and the other baker makes, retar.d, bread, french and makes and packs fresh roll .. pm colleague trays up frozen and packs cookies.. and everyone does a bit of slicing
Do they have start times for Colleague 1 & 2 on the form? I assume colleague 1 starts at 3am
:( not looking good, if that's the case. Only hope is no f/t hours.
they can job match you and take hours off you as well,they just offer you protected pay for a while,that's what they did with some stock control/counters staff last time round
They can't just job match you AND take hours off you! If they job match you, it must be to your current hours/days contract.
You can be offered protected pay on a drop in hours, but it is an offer, you don't have to accept.
If they can't match your availability, then it is a redundancy situation.
So what will happen if they match your hours but not as a skilled position?
Do you have a choice not to take protected pay?
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Quote from: lucgeo on 28-03-20, 09:46PM
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Well all those jobs for one person won’t get done especially when you have bakeries taking 10000 plus .
Quote from: Hammer10 on 29-03-20, 12:55AM
Well all those jobs for one person won’t get done especially when you have bakeries taking 10000 plus .
think that's their plan after six months they will decide to either reinstate bakeries or shut completely and go 100% to part bake if they can job match a lot out of bakeries now in six months the cost of redundancy will be a lot less
Has any 1 yet got any information on what the shifts are going to be? The only 1 I think is a dead cert is the 3am start
Lucgeo- I was told that if they can match my hours on my availability form then it's a match and that it doesn't have to be my current hours or day off. Is that true?
Quote from: Hand Made on 29-03-20, 12:13PM
Has any 1 yet got any information on what the shifts are going to be? The only 1 I think is a dead cert is the 3am start
sorry i forgot to say...
Colleague 1, 3-5am depending on dotcom..
Colleague 2, start time as a guide 8am
Pm colleague, start time as required but shift end time is 6pm
Quote from: Hammer10 on 29-03-20, 12:55AM
Well all those jobs for one person won’t get done especially when you have bakeries taking 10000 plus .
and yeah i figured that too, busy times aren't gonna exist now. As the beings from above have packed the shift with so much.. there is gonna have to be a standard amount done daily and that is all .. unless busy stores get more day bakers for constant roll and more retar;d bread, french
I'm guessing 3am starts have night crew and dot com. We have dotcom but no night crew so we've only heard about 5am starts.
Gone will be the days of 16 racks of soft roll and 10 racks of hot cross .As well as the all the white which some days are 16 bags,8 bags of french.
Does anybody know the new structure for part bake bakeries. And how many hours been offered
Quote from: Hammer10 on 29-03-20, 02:08PM
Gone will be the days of 16 racks of soft roll and 10 racks of hot cross .As well as the all the white which some days are 16 bags,8 bags of french.
gonna be some empty shelves. But if bakery closes at 6pm .. guess it doesn't matter .. im guessing they are trickling us down year after year until there is no skill and its like lidl/aldi.. semi skill baker is no more so it makes sense for the year on year plan to minimise staff and scratch production
Canteens all over again
with social distancing and fewer customers allowed in during the day,our bakery has lost most of it's sales,and most of whatr they produced last week went to the local food banks,our bakers are like are stuck in limbo,like throughout the company
Won't be able to take orders on soft rolls when the bbq session starts as will only have 1 Baker making limited amount and limited lines. I guess it will when it's gone it's gone
Advertising for a mechanic technician for bakery and canteen machinery on a temp 6 month contract in my area? Unsure if this is of any significance to the bakery restructuring?
Dont no about that one?
But I thought no baker is supposed to start befor 5am
3am dotcom
Cheesy cob do you have night crew as well?
We have night crow and no dot com :
No night crew or dotcom .we have been informed 5am ,8am and a late but got to be done by 6pm no start time yet on 6pm finish
So we have night crew but no dot com
Any news on that we where told no one to start befor 5 am and no one in bakery after 6pm we were told this when the news first hit.
I wish people talked more and feed the correct info it's a worrying time for all just wont to no what's happening with jobs
Delly, just read back up this page. I have the sheet in front of me and this is word for word.
Quote from: BakerBum on 29-03-20, 01:45PM
sorry i forgot to say...
Colleague 1, 3-5am depending on dotcom..
Colleague 2, start time as a guide 8am
Pm colleague, start time as required but shift end time is 6pm
It will be store specific. dot com will be a factor. The store im from doesn't do dot-com and its gonna 3am start i been told.. so very store specific
Anyone know if there are f/t jobs being matched?
We have night team and dot com not been told anything yet am just call me at home to ask if my hours on availablity form were all I could do I said yes we normally start at 3 in our store
Oldman, can I assume you put 3am start on your availability?
Quote from: polar on 30-03-20, 04:51PM
Oldman, can I assume you put 3am start on your availability?
yes every day
Got another meeting tomorrow trying to change my hours from what iput down
Think I want redundancy now
So can anyone tell me why no information is forthcoming to us. I was told by the manager that gave the first meeting to give in an availability form. I would know by 6 April if I was at risk of redundancy, my shop has nights no dot com.
Meetings should be starting on Wednesday the 1st.
Meetings starting Easter week just goes to show it is only us bakery staff that actually care about customers during peak periods
What happens if you are self isolating for 12 weeks becouse you have asthma
They could do it via Skype.
All starts this week, so been told. Meetings being Thursday and Friday.
As usual no real facts about anything and just scare mongering. You really think something going to happen thur or fri, Heading into a weekend, and with the ISB colleagues still in consultation, and everyone is in lockdown???? GET A CRIP PEOPLE
Was informed by the person handling it.
Our store will be using three way calls if those in consultation want a rep present.
Dolly you will be classed as under long term sick process so meeting will be held over the phone
I think it's a total shambles that very little info has been given to the affected bakers. Can't speak for anyone else but all I know is I have my first meeting next week and changes go into effect 1st May. That's it!!!!!! Thanks a bunch
I shall be making my feeling felt at my meeting at the way we have been treated.
Said we can have time off to go to interviews .how we meant to get any interviews in this situation it's a joke, looks like going to be forced to change my hours so I have a joe in these unsettling times (-*-)
Think long and hard...don't act on a knee jerk reaction. These redundancies are due to happen in May? There is nothing to stop you doing a trial of four weeks instore and then taking redundancy, which would take you to June.
If you can't manage on the drop in hours that are on offer, then you are going to struggle.
Is the redundancy package enough for you to have a while off to look for something more suitable.
There are still companies advertising out there, on indeed...total jobs etc..you can still have the time off for an online application or telephone interview.
There are benefits and re training packages out there.
And if no joy, you can re apply to Tesco in six months, which will be silly season!
Surely with so many people off work self isolating and with so many managers off work that have to do the one to ones with the bakery colleagues the whole process has to be shelved for a number of months until things get back to normal. Common sense should prevail!!
Just read something that seems quite apt...
Those you thought you could not trust in business, now seem to be the only option. Ask yourself, what you would do if they were not an option?? You may be suprised at what you think of doing.
I went bck to work in Monday after a wks hols.
I was given a team 5 print out about the bakery changes that stated if you are to be made redundant you could defer until August 22nd and take one of the temp jobs on offer. There was a lot more in the memo, but that was the gist of it.
Was no-one else given this in the ISB?
Iam job matched.... Dammit (sorry to those who need/wanted to stay) looking at reduced range it won't be long, defo a stop gap. Looks like all we make is tiger, split, sandwich, 6pk baps, hotdog, finger, 4pk bap and snack.
@Polar, what hours did you get job matched to? Are you still on skilled bakers rate?
3am, all still the same pay wise. At the moment out of 7 only 2 left.
Polar
Do you have dot com cant remember
I've been job matched as an unskilled Baker. What sort of time does that job start in the morning?
Yes mate we do have dotcom, they literally have gone your availability vs new heatmap. If your hours are out, then redundancy process. Otherwise you stay. Decimated ours
Polar you gone 50 50 with part bake with browns we are staying full scratch
Yes mate.
So a big cull then we find out friday
Monty how can you be job matched as an unskilled baker that means a GA then? Your job is being made redundant if you are a baker and going full bake off. In other words you are no longer needed.....but remember we are all key workers if that makes anyone feel important before potentially losing your job
I'm not a baker, I'm a packer :thumbup:
i'm a packer and i've just been asked to drop my hour to 18 a week from full time , packer shift in our store are 2-6 pm daily
Quote from: kateluff on 01-04-20, 03:15PM
i'm a packer and i've just been asked to drop my hour to 18 a week from full time , packer shift in our store are 2-6 pm daily
You can take redundancy than, come back in 6 month's
I've just been job matched, we are going white dough only, only have 2 bakers both wanted redundancy.was looking at over £15,000.Both put same hours down
I've been at Tesco about a year longer, gutted his over the moon, both had jobs lined up at morrisons as morrisons taking Tesco's bakers at the moment. I want in writing that skilled money stays the same
how many hours a week are they offering bakers ,in white scratch bakeries
Cheesy cob you got dot com?
What's your new start time ?
Cheesy cob you got dot com? And what's your start time
CheesyCob have you got full time hours ?
Quote from: kateluff on 01-04-20, 03:15PM
i'm a packer and i've just been asked to drop my hour to 18 a week from full time , packer shift in our store are 2-6 pm daily
From full time!! Are you taking redundancy?
yes can't live on 18 hours
8-) Those were my exact thoughts, along with tell them where to shove it!! But I didn't wish to presume, as not everyone has a good redundancy package :(
been in the bakery 16 years ,all our staff at chester city have over 15 years service , looks like no one has full time hours
If it’s like that in all stores they won’t have many staff left.
Quote from: kateluff on 01-04-20, 04:59PM
been in the bakery 16 years ,all our staff at chester city have over 15 years service , looks like no one has full time hours
You going full bake off
Yeah I'm full time.i work 5-1 Tuesday till Saturday and that's what I've been given so job matched, would of liked redundancy as been at Tesco over 16 years
Quote from: Delly on 01-04-20, 03:42PM
Cheesy cob you got dot com? And what's your start time
No dotcom
Start at 5am
Quote from: Oldman on 01-04-20, 03:46PM
CheesyCob have you got full time hours ?
Yeah keeping same hours same pay
Just got different jobs to do
Baker 1
New heat map
Colleague 1 is gonna be interesting lol seems like a lot compared to 2 and pm
So i get the gist no dot com it will be new hours 5am used to be 3 am and 2 am Saturday
In my shop next person in at 5am so I think thay will try to cut my hours
I've read an article that PFS are possibly going to close due to the coronovirus. has anyone else heard this or is it fake news?
Quote from: cheesy cob on 01-04-20, 05:28PM
Quote from: kateluff on 01-04-20, 04:59PM
been in the bakery 16 years ,all our staff at chester city have over 15 years service , looks like no one has full time hours
You going full bake off
no scratch white
Quote from: Biglove on 01-04-20, 05:58PM
I've read an article that PFS are possibly going to close due to the coronovirus. has anyone else heard this or is it fake news?
Unlikely, they are an essential service. Also this is not the right thread for this as even if pfs closed due to covid it would not be permanent and there wouldn't be job losses from it.
College 1
Pre- operation checks, turn on ovens and remove thaw and serve
Remove from freezer 1 rack of pastries and frozen rolls and bread
Bake 1st wave of pastries and frozen bread and rolls
Place frozen pastries that don't fit in oven back in freezer
Bake 2nd wave of frozen bread
Bake bloomer and tin
Tidy fixtures ,replenish shelves check for OOC and fetch more pastries
Bake scratch french
Bake remaining pastries
Label thaw and serve and display
Bake remaining scratch white bread
Pack french
Bake lg pies
Bake cookies
Pack Display french and core breads
Pack and display specificaty breads
Pack doughnuts
Begin to pack pastries priority on gaps
Wipe down prep area
Break time
Slice a variety of bread
Pack remaining french and pastries
Clean and tidy prep area
Tidy back area
Tidy and put away packaging delivery
Replenish isb fixtures including tubs
Pack pies
Tidy freezer
Complete 1st reductions
Seems like a f***ed up way of doing things I would do it different stuff the list they have given you .bake all breads and pastries whilst doing other bits and pieces pack sticks and batons in between.
Hammer10 yes would do the same. That list is rubbish
Bakery colleagues in my store don't even know how to do reductions and would be disgusted at the idea that they actually have to do their own. The lady working on the plant bread usually has to add their reductions on to her already almost impossible task whilst they have a good laugh in the bakery.
We only have 3 people in the bakery every day now 2 full time 1 paker and we do everything now that includes hot cross, bread pudding all white bread and roll all brown bread and rolls all the confectionery, slicing so list looks easy
Do you mean now or when the new heat map kicks in
We at the moment well befor the virus set in we only had 2 people in 1 baker I packer
It is not any better now
We have 2 bakers now and a packer which is
Tight with days off and that
What’s hot cross lol,haven’t made any for 6 weeks got cages of it bad enough making bread and roll.
Bakery colleagues in my store don't even know how to do reductions and would be disgusted at the idea that they actually have to do their own. The lady working on the plant bread usually has to add their reductions on to her already almost impossible task whilst they have a good laugh in the bakery.
What a load of s*** you are talking a load of c**p the bakery is and always has been a misunderstood department in every store only when you've walked in a bakers shoes would you know how hard it is
CheesyCob I take it your going partbake as no mention of production?
How true never seen a bakery where u have a spare 5 minutes most times now have my break end of shift if one at all love to know the bakery your on about
Quote from: Notmyname on 01-04-20, 08:38PM
Bakery colleagues in my store don't even know how to do reductions and would be disgusted at the idea that they actually have to do their own. The lady working on the plant bread usually has to add their reductions on to her already almost impossible task whilst they have a good laugh in the bakery.
What a load of s*** you are talking a load of c**p the bakery is and always has been a misunderstood department in every store only when you've walked in a bakers shoes would you know how hard it is
Can imagine this is a example for a smaller bakery with little packers
Quote from: cheesy cob on 01-04-20, 06:35PM
College 1
Pre- operation checks, turn on ovens and remove thaw and serve
Remove from freezer 1 rack of pastries and frozen rolls and bread
Bake 1st wave of pastries and frozen bread and rolls
Place frozen pastries that don't fit in oven back in freezer
Bake 2nd wave of frozen bread
Bake bloomer and tin
Tidy fixtures ,replenish shelves check for OOC and fetch more pastries
Bake scratch french
Bake remaining pastries
Label thaw and serve and display
Bake remaining scratch white bread
Pack french
Bake lg pies
Bake cookies
Pack Display french and core breads
Pack and display specificaty breads
Pack doughnuts
Begin to pack pastries priority on gaps
Wipe down prep area
Break time
Slice a variety of bread
Pack remaining french and pastries
Clean and tidy prep area
Tidy back area
Tidy and put away packaging delivery
Replenish isb fixtures including tubs
Pack pies
Tidy freezer
Complete 1st reductions
Yeah small do about £5000 a week
Has anyone read the coronavirus update on ourtesco about the bonus? We won’t get paid from April until May if we leave the company as it is paid at the end of May and if you leave before that then you don’t get it. Absolute jokers as usual.
Something to ask in your meetings think if people have left through redundancy they've still got bonuses in the past.
Has any other bakers who are affected had their redundancy package told to them yet? Is it lower, the same or higher than the VLH calculator?
Afternoon all, well, in our store the bakery takes around £10k a week, job changes as follows, one Baker in a 4am, another at 6. Confec person in at 6am and another person in later, times to be confirmed. No redundancies but a S/S Baker to swap departments. This is a scratch bakery now having a reduced range with the loss of brown breads.
I imagine most changes are store specific, hours etc.
Quote from: Baker4life on 02-04-20, 04:41PM
Has any other bakers who are affected had their redundancy package told to them yet? Is it lower, the same or higher than the VLH calculator?
The VLH calculator was accurate. The only difference was 8 weeks in lieu instead of 4 which results in slightly more than it says :)
Cheers rhonda7a
However PILON is taxable so the figure on VLH calculator is probably not far off
Quote from: Theansweris42 on 02-04-20, 05:25PM
Afternoon all, well, in our store the bakery takes around £10k a week, job changes as follows, one Baker in a 4am, another at 6. Confec person in at 6am and another person in later, times to be confirmed. No redundancies but a S/S Baker to swap departments. This is a scratch bakery now having a reduced range with the loss of brown breads.
I imagine most changes are store specific, hours etc.
are these full time hours ?
Yes, full time for the bakers, not sure about the 6pm finish person.
Is the weekly pay just basic or do you add on market supplement and Sunday rate pay when you put it in the VLH calculator?
It goes on the rate of pay that is on your terms and conditions of employment.
You either get your contractual pay, or if you've done overtime then they will take the average you have earned over your feb march April payslips
Hi all any one know if you keep discount card when you get made redundant
If your age + length of service = 80 then you keep it...if not, you can use it up to and on your final pay from Tesco.
Thanks
Just found out only one full time position in our bakery after this reshuffle one more with 34 hrs and only part time after that, one has been job matched on the 34hr shift an one has been told he's not been job matched three more full timers including myself will find out tomorrow if we have been job matched or not
At what point do we find out redundancy package? Job matched to an extent but will be losing £120 a month. How do we make a decision with such a lack of info..
I would imagine your next meeting, I personally couldn't afford a cut in pay by that much.
Quote from: Mennsa on 03-04-20, 04:05PM
At what point do we find out redundancy package? Job matched to an extent but will be losing £120 a month. How do we make a decision with such a lack of info..
How's that a job match if your losing £120 a month?
Basically its losing 2 hours a week and night premiums.
Been a fully skilled baker for 4 years now. And my results came back as no job match. How is this possible? I’m pretty passionate about the baker side to it. And tried to accommodate as much ‘availability’ As I can. But points were not enough. I can’t get my head around potentially being made redundant or maybe finding something else in store. ( even no there are no job vacancies in store) I feel like I’m being pushed out anyway. And with what’s going on in the world right now what is the likelyhood I can find another full time Permanent job?
You'll have to take what you can get for now, there are independant artisan bakeries and restaurants that are looking for skilled bakers.
I've been job matched, iam so down about the whole situation. I'm considering my future with the company. The team I've worked with for 20 years is being destroyed, with complete disregard.
It looks to me like they only want 1 skilled Baker in to work 3am. It's a 50/50 ??? And dotcom.
I wish everyone affected the best of luck for the future, maybe offsetting reduancy till August might not be a bad move for some. At least you have some sort of income till things pick up again.
Oh the irony.11am given a letter telling me I am an essential worker from store manager. An hour later told being made redundant in May by department manager. Hero to zero in record time.
Quote from: Mennsa on 03-04-20, 06:03PM
Basically its losing 2 hours a week and night premiums.
You have not been job matched ??? Your hours and income will be less. Did you state a drop in hours hours/ shifts on your availability form ???
I know I haven't been job matched and they are trying to push the boundaries on our availability hours. That said we filled availability forms in before the pandemic. Would just like to weigh my options up before making a decision and for that you need an exact figure for redundancy payment.
If the hours/ shifts / days you are being offered are not in the parameters of what you put on your availability form, then you haven't been job matched and redundancy is an option.
Check the VLH redundancy calculator on this site, it is pretty accurate to the amount of redundancy you can expect.
Three members in our team job matched and three including me been told we are not job matched next meeting on Tuesday to discuss other jobs is dot com driving and redundancy package
We have been told we will be paid in lieu of notice, if we defer till August , will this count as working our notice, does anyone know ?
Was told I could defer till August 22. But not guaranteed a job in my department and number of hours. And if I wanted to leave before 22August would lose redundancy pay. Would be hell of a risk to take.
Quote from: Helpisontheway on 04-04-20, 02:32PM
Was told I could defer till August 22. But not guaranteed a job in my department and number of hours. And if I wanted to leave before 22August would lose redundancy pay. Would be hell of a risk to take.
I asked if I would be in the bakery and was told yes nothing would change till August
VLH calculator says monies in excess of 30,000 will be liable for tax is that anything over the 30,000 or the whole amount say 30,500
@Helpisontheway, defer from 'when' to 22nd Aug ? ( defer = postpone, put back )
So you must have already been given a redundancy date else it cannot be deferred. Therefore how can you lose redundancy pay if you have a finishing date.
Something not right here.
@Oldman, the excess.
Given a finishing date 2 may. Manager told me if I defer to 22 August no guarantee of hours, department I would be working in. And if finish before 22 August would be taken as resignation. Therefore losing redundancy pay. Is my manager mistaken or telling me porkies.
No they are right. You can go May 2 or Aug 22 but if you stay to Aug 22 you will be doing a different job in the store wherever they fit you and got to stay till 22nd to get redundancy.
Quote from: Oldman on 04-04-20, 02:59PM
VLH calculator says monies in excess of 30,000 will be liable for tax is that anything over the 30,000 or the whole amount say 30,500
You are just taxed on the £500.
Does anyone know how many weeks in notice Tesco will pay if the amount of time between your first meeting and the day you leave is 4 weeks? I read on government site that you can get 12 weeks notice max.
Quote from: Baker4life on 04-04-20, 04:51PM
Does anyone know how many weeks in notice Tesco will pay if the amount of time between your first meeting and the day you leave is 4 weeks? I read on government site that you can get 12 weeks notice max.
The statutory redundancy notice periods are:
at least one week’s notice if employed between one month and 2 years
one week’s notice for each year if employed between 2 and 12 years
12 weeks’ notice if employed for 12 years or more
Check your contract. Your employer may give you more than the statutory minimum, but they cannot give you less.
Quote from: Gymbunny on 04-04-20, 03:20PM
Quote from: Oldman on 04-04-20, 02:59PM
VLH calculator says monies in excess of 30,000 will be liable for tax is that anything over the 30,000 or the whole amount say 30,500
You are just taxed on the £500.
You will be taxed/NI on any payment for your notice period (PILON) and any holidays not taken. If your Compulsory redundancy and service element are tax-free so long as they are under £30k. Should they go over £30k they will also be taxed/NI.
Quote from: Mennsa on 03-04-20, 06:03PM
Basically its losing 2 hours a week and night premiums.
No job match take the money and run
So I got a phone call yesterday saying my hours cannot be matched.
They then offered me an 18 hour a week contract with 2 years protected pay which is half of my full time hours which I refused. Should be having a meeting next week sometime but redundancy may have to be an option.
I was offered exactly the same as you, then got a letter saying I'm at risk and now have a meeting next week. Your letter should follow, or phone consultation if your off.
Thanks, I'll look out for the letter and update what's actually happening if I ever have the meeting.
Not sure how other stores have been but this is literally the first thing my store has given in regards to information since it was announced in the news.
I don't even know if the bakery is going fully part part or half scratch.
our bakery is going to white scratch ,and your manager will know what your bakery is ,they have known for weeks
Yeah I have no doubt that they have the info, the reason why they have refused to share I don't know.
Ours don’t know unless he is lying.
so they have the heat map , matched people to jobs or put them at risk , consultations start tomorrow and your manager doesn't know what kind of bakery it is ,strange my daughters a manager and she told me every store got told at the end of feb , their lying
Quote from: Hammer10 on 05-04-20, 04:20PM
Ours don’t know unless he is lying.
i thin at this stage if your manager doesn't know.. he never will lol ... everyone has known for 5 weeks+.. that was the first announcement .. what type of bakery your gonna be
There is soft management structure change coming back
Apparently there is nothing too impactful in it!!
Depends if you're the inpactee :o
Never used this site but need a bit of advice please previously worked for the company but was made redundant last sept 26/9/19 we were told at the time could start working back in tesco in 6 months time I re applied towards end of march and re started on the 30/3/20 now for me that's over 6 months 26 weeks I've just been advised my my new manager that I'm being investigated for breaking redundancy protocols I'm really concerned i have taken p45 back to new store stating when i left company old store and it's over 6 months old store manager and union have said you are free to re start as long as its after 26 weeks which it is and I even stated on my application I left company 26/9/19 can anyone advise to what could be poss outcome of this as my manager has said try not to worry even tho easier said than done
Basically your new manager doesn't know what he's talking about....probably why he's now telling you not to worry...saving face rather than admit he's got it wrong. The HR dept would never have offered you the job if you weren't outside the 6 month rimeframe...they deal with these things on a daily basis. :thumbup:
Further to the above...if anyone was being investigated it would be the HR dept, if it was against redundancy protocols.
If your manager has told you your being investigated, was this by way of word of mouth or letter? Somewhat unprofessional of him if by word of mouth :-X
Ty for reply he said hes been asked to investigate it from admin or whoever's which is confusing so can you confirm what I've been told 26weeks from leaving to start date is correct like I said union has told me that and old store manager my old manager said if there was a issue it should have flagged straight away not 2 months into employment
The union rep who I spoke to said same thing about investigation and he said bring it on ahh I dont know what to think to be honest my manager said he had a shock when he was told and would argue my case but I dont see that I have a case to answer
Quote from: Wirey2020 on 27-05-20, 10:25AM
Apparently there is nothing too impactful in it!!
That's what I heard last night but awaiting more information
Currently been one of the bakers that opted for redundacy, looked at my pay slip and have noticed I haven’t been paid any basic pay is this correct
baker86
Basic pay for last month was up to and including 02 May 2020 which was the end date for colleagues taking redundancy in my store, so if that's your end date your pay is correct.
Quote from: boris82 on 27-05-20, 04:00PM
The union rep who I spoke to said same thing about investigation and he said bring it on ahh I dont know what to think to be honest my manager said he had a shock when he was told and would argue my case but I dont see that I have a case to answer
Stop fretting lad....admin is just a little dept, who's job it is to process applicants through the stages of recruitment. Unsure why they are saying YOU need investigating ???
Also don't get where your manager is coming from here? Is he a line manager or store manager? Is he new?? He should know the buck would stop with the store...as THEY would be held responsible if any redundancy protocols were broken, no you!!! And remember these protocols are only put in place for returning to work for the same company...so they should be able to determine from their own employees work records, if it's in the correct timeframes :-X
Quote from: 80377494 on 28-05-20, 05:07AM
baker86
Basic pay for last month was up to and including 02 May 2020 which was the end date for colleagues taking redundancy in my store, so if that's your end date your pay is correct.
I would have thought that you should get some pay,as the cut off date for 2nd may payslip would have been the 23rd April. So from the 24 April to 2nd May should be in this payslip, obviously as long as you worked between those dates.Anyone confirm this.
Quote from: lucgeo on 28-05-20, 08:56AM
Quote from: boris82 on 27-05-20, 04:00PM
The union rep who I spoke to said same thing about investigation and he said bring it on ahh I dont know what to think to be honest my manager said he had a shock when he was told and would argue my case but I dont see that I have a case to answer
Stop fretting lad....admin is just a little dept, who's job it is to process applicants through the stages of recruitment. Unsure why they are saying YOU need investigating ???
Also don't get where your manager is coming from here? Is he a line manager or store manager? Is he new?? He should know the buck would stop with the store...as THEY would be held responsible if any redundancy protocols were broken, no you!!! And remember these protocols are only put in place for returning to work for the same company...so they should be able to determine from their own employees work records, if it's in the correct timeframes :-X
Probably because the members of the dept have small job syndrome, it'll be the closest any of them will get to a real office job and so they feel and act too big for their boots. Expecting everyone to respect their (lack of) authority.
Got a phone call off union yest telling me it flagged up cuz my induction was under the 6 months i was told this should have flagged instantly. they said no further action will be taken because when I restarted my documents I had says I re started after the 6 months pathetic really I've been collored for my induction even tho in my application aswell stated leaving date lol thank you for replies
I thought we where due a weeks wage for the week we left
Quote from: boris82 on 28-05-20, 10:04AM
Got a phone call off union yest telling me it flagged up cuz my induction was under the 6 months i was told this should have flagged instantly. they said no further action will be taken because when I restarted my documents I had says I re started after the 6 months pathetic really I've been collored for my induction even tho in my application aswell stated leaving date lol thank you for replies
And I dare say your manager has hot footed it to you to pass on the results as quickly as when he chose to needlessly worry you without double checking first :-X
You should now speak to your line manager with regard you recouping any induction hours as T/ L, as you can't legally be paid the time owing.
Baker86 MrBlobby
There is a link on the home page which shows the pay dates. top right hand side. It shows the cut-off dates.
Your basic pay, for contracted hours, is paid up to and including the Saturday after payday.
Your overtime, for hours other than your contracted ones, is paid up to and including Thursday of the week before payday.
What home page ? Where
press home at the top left of this page
Rumour going round another round of manager restructuring in the next 3 months
Yes, but in a very different way. It's vacancies not being filled in certain roles rather than soft structure or redundancy. I don't think it's any particular role either but depends on store structure. Not 100% on that last bit though.
It does depend on store structure, however they are not telling you which positions are affected in which store which is also not very transparent as we are meant to be.
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Does anyone know when counters will be reopening ?
Quote from: SilverFox on 03-06-20, 04:57AM
It does depend on store structure, however they are not telling you which positions are affected in which store which is also not very transparent as we are meant to be.
The person who has a job at risk is always the first person told. That is how it should be. This change means that role only removed if vacant so nobodies job is at risk. They won't tell you the potential jobs at risk as it comes back to the person affected being the first person to know and not at risk until it's vacant. It's only affecting current managers who may be getting bigger roles because of this.
Is this new??? When did it come out? As the informal structure process which came out aug 2019 states the opposite..that they will no longer wait for natural wastage but actively facilitate the change over the course of 6 months before escalating the matter higher if no resolution is found.
SD,s were speaking to SMS individually post annual review conference call.
If anything it will take place next year (structure change) can't see it taking place due to this years circumstances around the pandemic.
Yeah just trying to see where the stock control manager fit into all of this!!🙄
It's all part of the annual review.
What is??
The annual review is just that. It reviews the structure in the stores to see if any changes are needed, at management level.
The upcoming review, amongst other changes, will impact the bakery managers and the lead team structure in certain stores.
I thought there were going to be no lead team changes this year, due to the bakery already implemented. There was talk of combining lead roles last year, although I’m aware this is no longer happening.
Does anyone know what is happening with senior team jobs? Just been asked by a union rep if I know what is going on as he is waiting to hear about senior team jobs?
Assistant managers going so I’ve been told not sure how or what it looks like,the joke of a company keeps on cutting.
Quote from: King1999 on 10-07-20, 03:28PM
Assistant managers going so I’ve been told not sure how or what it looks like,the joke of a company keeps on cutting.
Joke of a company right, culling of managers? Should have happened a long time ago.
Managers should all go they do nothing except sit in the office .
My Dept manager has been off for 2 weeks, you would'nt notice. I think the only thing they do these days is manage holidays which soon we'll be doing online.
When it comes to managers Tesco’s drag there heels always reluctant to get rid off even tho the position is no longer required they would rather pay them to do nothing for years on end
Quote from: Hammer10 on 10-07-20, 04:32PM
Managers should all go they do nothing except sit in the office .
Not fair on the managers and there are many out there who put a shift in day in day out
Our SM always puts a shift in. They are quite often seen filling shelves, pulling cages from wagons, working in warehouse etc. Its the lead manager that does f*** all. Just see him messing on his phone all the time & walking around like he's god. Only work he ever seems to want to do is give people 'let's talks' or disciplines for trivial things. F****** k***
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Quote from: King1999 on 10-07-20, 03:28PM
Assistant managers going so I’ve been told not sure how or what it looks like,the joke of a company keeps on cutting.
Joke of a company right, culling of managers? Should have happened a long time ago.
What else is the company now other than a joke.........if anyone believes the previous culls have done any good.........leaking job cuts,getting rid of staff with years of experience,staff restaurants gone devaluing a committed workforce,creating a toxic environment of job cuts the list is endless.Everyday is an ordeal for many now not sure why an abusive employer is getting away with it like they are,maybe not for much longer.
They aren't getting away with it, their market share is dwindling year on year, (a new low of 26.8% 1 or 2 months ago) this will inevitably continue to decrease while Aldi and Lidl seek to max out on capacity in terms of new sites for their stores, a lower market share means less profit for the shareholders, which means continuation of cuts, which contributes to poorer service towards the customers which results in them shopping elsewhere which impacts the marketshare further and the cycle will continue for as long as Lewis's strategy is to appease the shareholder (which I am one of).
Stores have been top heavy for far too long. Floor staff cut to the bone, so less in each dept to warrant a dept manager. They removed TL's and spread the managers out, whilst still retaining senior team, and some newbie managers are not on much more than TL's.
There is no need to have an SM, and a senior team. Either have one SM or two leads. Hell, duty managers run the store on a Sunday, single handed, only negative being the Costa takings are down!
Quote from: NightAndDay on 11-07-20, 07:13AM
They aren't getting away with it, their market share is dwindling year on year, (a new low of 26.8% 1 or 2 months ago) this will inevitably continue to decrease while Aldi and Lidl seek to max out on capacity in terms of new sites for their stores, a lower market share means less profit for the shareholders, which means continuation of cuts, which contributes to poorer service towards the customers which results in them shopping elsewhere which impacts the marketshare further and the cycle will continue for as long as Lewis's strategy is to appease the shareholder (which I am one of).
Big deal your a shareholder,we all were in the past and a lot of us still are.......by the way just cutting isn't investing and future proofing.Service is becoming non existent.Treating people like s*** and the effects it has on them is something I would be worrying very seriously.I know I go on about mental health a lot but as a shareholder I would want a happy,fit workforce wanting to work for the company not the toxic,depressing place it has become.Lewis isn't Tesco never has been he's done far more damage than good.
King1999
I totally agree with you
What can there be done about the horrible ways they treat people
My mental health has been caused by bullies in store
Had it confirmed by my own Dr
Look at British gymnastics on the news the more it's reported......and by the way you shouldn't accept bullying in any form so report it.As a work force we shouldn't be putting up with it so maybe different avenues need looking at the union are useless and the company doesn't care.
King1999
I've put in a grievance before it ended up as my fault and most of management turn on me
Even the HR at that time heap union has been rubbish
So where can anyone go to report this ???
I handed my notice in and got another job
I stayed as I was promised the issue at that time would b resolved can't go into too much detail as I've signed a declaration not to gossip about people and things involved can say to persons who will challenges tesco or management
I have kept my other job and do tesco for my own purpose
I am wondering what on earth for
Managers and others seem to be qualified now in areas apart from people skills
They all have qualified with a master's in harassment victimisation
Also I've got history with the bullying in store
Took false allegations and I've been seen as the problem
It would seem so if there has been 6 grievances put in about u at one time
Would it be an idea to put my history from my perspective as no one knows it as I've stated silent due to me not being apart of a click
If it's a click then you have multiple bullies to deal with,is the store manager part of this little click ?????? As someone being bullied it should always be from your perspective.......has this been dealt with in store before,sounds like an outsider needs to be dealing with it.
King1999
Thanku
It's what I was thinking
Do I bring past up and face risk
That's past and moving forward
King1999
Where do I take this
As in out of store
1 more thing a woman I worked with in tesco took it to my new employer and started to say things
I feel if dealt with in the correct way I would carry the burden
I've had some pretty horrendous things said and done to me and it is personnel
If you could give me guidance
The back bone is on me
Phone the protector line it's an outside body.......voice what has happened to you they will then contact the relevant body to deal with it.It won't be your store.
Thanku king1999
The protector line is just as pointless as any other form of complaint.. any complaints get passed to SM or People Manager who can decide to just ignore them it seems whilst making excuses or lies to whatever company runs protector line
Spike _pkh
How can it get sorted in your view??
Miriam is there anyone in store who will back up what’s been happening to you,solid witnesses who will back you up.
I've approached someone they don't want to get involved
Many have said things But sadly they have left
Quote from: King1999 on 11-07-20, 09:01AM
Quote from: NightAndDay on 11-07-20, 07:13AM
They aren't getting away with it, their market share is dwindling year on year, (a new low of 26.8% 1 or 2 months ago) this will inevitably continue to decrease while Aldi and Lidl seek to max out on capacity in terms of new sites for their stores, a lower market share means less profit for the shareholders, which means continuation of cuts, which contributes to poorer service towards the customers which results in them shopping elsewhere which impacts the marketshare further and the cycle will continue for as long as Lewis's strategy is to appease the shareholder (which I am one of).
Big deal your a shareholder,we all were in the past and a lot of us still are.......by the way just cutting isn't investing and future proofing.Service is becoming non existent.Treating people like s*** and the effects it has on them is something I would be worrying very seriously.I know I go on about mental health a lot but as a shareholder I would want a happy,fit workforce wanting to work for the company not the toxic,depressing place it has become.Lewis isn't Tesco never has been he's done far more damage than good.
I know continous cutting isn't a way to run a successful business, I'm saying that that is the current cycle of events that is occurring under DLs leadership, don't pretend it isn't, the terms "streamlining", "soft structure change" and "sustainable business" has never been thrown about more in Tescos history than in the past 4 years.
Also most old school employees will be share holders (or were at one point) due to the Shares in Success scheme, I never cashed mine in, but I will do as soon as the boomer generation don't hold the economic weight they do currently and when technology changes the landscape further.
Ken Murphy is supposed to be a bigger axe wielder than Dave, so I would go on expecting more of the same in the next 5 years, along with further scrutiny of undeserved CEO salary rewards by the AGM.
I have done nearly 30 years and less than two years in I saw the first redundancies. We have always had, it was just a few years without. The manager roles always used to be on almost a six year cycle when they gave it a new name and changed tasks slightly and people had to re-apply for jobs. I have seen them change from "supervisors" to "controllers" to "section managers" to "line managers".
Work practices have changed. Going back 30 years milk came on cages and we had to put individual bottles on shelves. Ready meals were very limited and there was a much higher level of cook and bake from scratch in stores. Checkouts was two days training with you following exercises in a book with training cards so could do practice transactions. PI was called File Maintenance Control (FMC) and they used to go round day before putting out price changes behind exisiting, it was was with back showing with dots on back of label with dot one side meaning price going up and dot other side meaning price going down. Someone then came along behind them next day to just turn over and remove old label. We had picking labels on all boxes and as part of filling we had to check the picking label too. If was for wrong product we had to take box and label to stock control to adjust.
Things change. They always have changed. FMC faced huge loss of hours when they removed the dot system on the back of labels. Fresh lost hours when when milk came in with the carts we use now. Deli lost hours with introduction of grab and go. As a business we have to move with the times. As a business we have to cut the cloth to fit. It's too easy to say to just cut the bonus for the big wigs. Cutting that may help but it's a fraction of the overall wage bill for the whole company. Biggest cost to stores is wages and it's easiest and quickest way to save money. If you don't have enough to do in a day, if you are bored in work, if you have time to chat or twiddle thumbs you have time to do other things or have hours cut. Times are going to be hard. As a country, not a company we are going to have to pay for this for years and years. Times are going to be tough, we need to be competitive to stay afloat. The balance of price against where products are sourced from may be key. Will all this have an impact on fare trade and organic for example. Will there be a change to those who are seen as being lucky to just be in work no matter what the job.
What winds people up is the obvious waste which occurs in many spheres of life mainly due to poor management of one sort or another. Take the food industry (agriculture, production, wholesale and retail. ) the food wastage as a whole runs into millions of tons, possibly billions.
Governments changing/dropping schemes which have already had £millions spent on them, then the £millions to pay in compensation.
Councils waste thousands/millions on schemes which are then reversed because they were not effective.
Are those persons made redundant angry(sometimes), bloody right they are, and who would blame them >:(
Progress is NOT always progress.
Nomad it's progress
Then they do a uturn
Do any price integrity staff still do pv cycle been told we don't do it after this week?
Any other stores been told there counters will not be reopening, no redundancy they are going to try and give us jobs within store
No, not been told that. We've only been doing it again for a few weeks. How much workload do you tend to get? Most nights we have virtually nothing and just fill up. Think we must be way over hours!
Only promo nights is there a fair amount of labels other nights not many at all pv was a good chunk of our hours
Quote from: sammy on 22-07-20, 05:58PM
Any other stores been told there counters will not be reopening, no redundancy they are going to try and give us jobs within store
Yes, the staff from counters we currently have on nights were informed last night. Think it's just deli and pizza counter. They were totally shocked, no idea where they are going, just have to fill in availability form.
My store been told counters closing staff will be relocated to other departments on their current contracted hours...... All seems a bit fishy to me lol no redundancies offered no response as yet from uselessdaw individual briefings start next week completion expected within 6 wks
Basically if you're not offered a reasonable alternative then it should surely be a redundancy situation. Can't make you just change department and hours etc if you are not in agreement. If they are deciding to close the department then they may have to offer redundancy. There may be reasons why it's not suitable for you to work on other departments such as mobility or mental health issues etc. They have to offer you a reasonable alternative on similar hours, unless you are happy to change hours and role. Otherwise it's redundancy.
Losing the ability to maintain your product knowledge and/or skill level may also be unreasonable.
Are we expecting any more bakery changes in 2021? Just wondering if part bake bakeries have been a success since they changed over earlier in the year.
Part bakeries? Did that even actually happen in the end. They just shafted half the staff and carried on making the same stuff.
We lost two hours of production a day and 3 full time staff. Hoping we go part bake in the next 12 months. Senior team cant understand that we're 30% down on takings running on 2 people a day!
Quote from: Dorset on 11-04-09, 11:07PM
It looks like the workforce is being run down on purpose, i think bad trading results are on the cards and cuts are already being made. I have a feeling of deja vu having seen this all before at a number of other companies i have worked. The management have now completely lost the workforce and i see nothing ahead but derision, dereliction and destruction.
I agree with you and my thoughts for a long time is that they are running down the staff not making repairs and maintenance unless really needed in order to up the payback to share holders and also make it attractive to anyone wanting to "buy" Tesco. As the media seem to think along with Sainsbury we are the next two being eyed up.
Anyone noticed on work and pay some line manager roles have been frozen I was told about this so I checked anyone else heard anything
When 4/5 TMs call in sick due to covid they will soon realise all they need is 1 and more GAs. (-*-)
I think the next people in the firing line of job cuts due to work and pay will be the wages clerks,not managers
Quote from: Bean23 on 19-12-21, 11:46AM
Anyone noticed on work and pay some line manager roles have been frozen I was told about this so I checked anyone else heard anything
What do you mean by frozen?
Quote from: Tesla on 19-12-21, 01:46PM
When 4/5 TMs call in sick due to covid they will soon realise all they need is 1 and more GAs. (-*-)
80% of the CAs in our store would do absolutely nothing if not overseen by management, working to your best ability seems to be a thing of the past. If anyone needs to be cut it is senior team and above, and poor performing TMs. Good TMs bring alot to stores. If Tesco really want to save money they should bring in performance related pay increases to CAs. Those of us that work hard would get the pay increases we deserve and those that don't will either sort out their performance and attitudes or not get any.
Funny that, 80% of managers do nothing regardless. The valuable work is done by the operators, (your CAs (including checkouts, though hopefully one day all stores will be cashless so will be redundant) shelf fillers, stock controllers and admins (yes, even the wage clerks when they do their job properly) and Shift Leaders). The rest are parasites feeding off the profits generated by these hard workers. All a manager is is a regulator, an enforcer of head offices budget constraints, policy and implementator of their "strategy" (which mainly comprises of new failed processes that get withdrawn a month or 2 after implementation and new store standard metrics with a basis from flimsy pseudo-psychology or a TED podcast).
Now don't get me wrong, innovation is truly valuable, but the great innovators rarely work for Tesco, there's been greater small scale innovations from CAs and SLs (which the SM takes credit for, 100% of the time from what I seen) than head office staff. The real innovators don't have a background in Retail (not primarily at least) but technology and business, cashless stores, the self service till, these are all innovations which justifies the salaries of the people who came up with it, if we compare this with the decision to put a lock on the waste cages to combat shrink, well... it's not really the same now is it.
NightAndDay
:thumbup:
Quote from: spike_pkh on 19-12-21, 09:37PM
Quote from: Tesla on 19-12-21, 01:46PM
When 4/5 TMs call in sick due to covid they will soon realise all they need is 1 and more GAs. (-*-)
80% of the CAs in our store would do absolutely nothing if not overseen by management, working to your best ability seems to be a thing of the past. If anyone needs to be cut it is senior team and above, and poor performing TMs. Good TMs bring alot to stores. If Tesco really want to save money they should bring in performance related pay increases to CAs. Those of us that work hard would get the pay increases we deserve and those that don't will either sort out their performance and attitudes or not get any.
A team is only as good as their manager...useless manager = lazy team!
Performance related pay?? That's the SM and senior team skint then! They tried a similar thing with the WOW cards, useless waste of time. Managers, including SM handing them out to get feedback, and praising each other online! All to get praised for doing err...the job they're paid to do ???
That initiative was soon binned, especially as our SM was having the GA's fail their performance review if they hadn't received any feedback from customers or given out any...kind of hard when you work in the warehouse you Wally! Grievance put in, cards disappeared PDQ!! To be fair to the pointless partner, it was one of the very few occasions that she got verbal with the SM, stating customer feedback was something colleagues have no control over, so how can they improve it??
If I worked with someone who wasn't pulling their weight they'd soon be put right, subtle but direct approach always does the trick ;)
performance review??? can't remember the last time i had one!!! gotta be at least 10 years ago.
Quote from: lucgeo on 20-12-21, 03:37PM
Quote from: spike_pkh on 19-12-21, 09:37PM
Quote from: Tesla on 19-12-21, 01:46PM
When 4/5 TMs call in sick due to covid they will soon realise all they need is 1 and more GAs. (-*-)
80% of the CAs in our store would do absolutely nothing if not overseen by management, working to your best ability seems to be a thing of the past. If anyone needs to be cut it is senior team and above, and poor performing TMs. Good TMs bring alot to stores. If Tesco really want to save money they should bring in performance related pay increases to CAs. Those of us that work hard would get the pay increases we deserve and those that don't will either sort out their performance and attitudes or not get any.
A team is only as good as their manager...useless manager = lazy team!
Performance related pay?? That's the SM and senior team skint then! They tried a similar thing with the WOW cards, useless waste of time. Managers, including SM handing them out to get feedback, and praising each other online! All to get praised for doing err...the job they're paid to do ???
That initiative was soon binned, especially as our SM was having the GA's fail their performance review if they hadn't received any feedback from customers or given out any...kind of hard when you work in the warehouse you Wally! Grievance put in, cards disappeared PDQ!! To be fair to the pointless partner, it was one of the very few occasions that she got verbal with the SM, stating customer feedback was something colleagues have no control over, so how can they improve it??
If I worked with someone who wasn't pulling their weight they'd soon be put right, subtle but direct approach always does the trick ;)
Back in my day, useless managers (which for me was all of them except my last 2) suffered higher than normal turnover of staff among those were some that were extremely underemployed (myself being one) but this is Tesco we're on about, some birds aren't meant to be caged, their feathers are just too bright.
Unfortunately useless managers aren't confined to just stores, but the People Partners and AMs as well, which is why even beyond the done to death us/them divide between CAs and leadership team, there's also infighting among the manager ranks simply because the AM and PM don't manage the SMs properly, hence we have the situation of capable SMs running training and low density stores and Star Spangled cowboys where every hour is amateur hour "running" big boy shops.
Quote from: spike_pkh on 19-12-21, 09:37PM
Quote from: Tesla on 19-12-21, 01:46PM
When 4/5 TMs call in sick due to covid they will soon realise all they need is 1 and more GAs. (-*-)
80% of the CAs in our store would do absolutely nothing if not overseen by management, working to your best ability seems to be a thing of the past. If anyone needs to be cut it is senior team and above, and poor performing TMs. Good TMs bring alot to stores. If Tesco really want to save money they should bring in performance related pay increases to CAs. Those of us that work hard would get the pay increases we deserve and those that don't will either sort out their performance and attitudes or not get any.
:D ;D
I do more work in a single day than most so-called managers could handle in a week. A manager's job is to make sure my holiday requests are authorised quickly, and to deal with things that are beneath me. For example, dealing with moaning customers or homo shopping pickers. That's all managers are good for.
Beyond that, your jobs are as worthless as every other aspect of the pitiable existence you laughably attempt to dignify with the term, "life".
PS: Merry Christmas. ;)
GA's work is different. All Replenishment colleagues should do hard physical work, it's what they are paid to do. Managers support all areas, work side by side filling shelves but the people who have tried and failed options are the people who only see this. It has often been the case that when they see the whole other side of a managers job they drop out. You don't get more money to just carry on and do the same replenishment job, it's a different role.
We are supposed to be training shift leaders now, once they have started working through the training pack most of them have dropped out. They don't want to know about PFS, about checkouts, about the whole store. They want to be a shift leader in fresh saying work that cage next and see that as the full job role.
All stores have colleagues who think they work harder than everyone else. We all have colleagues who spend ages complaining and have a chip on their shoulder. Over the years I have seen some of these hand in notice and move on. They think the store will fall apart without them. The reality if that there is often huge relief that they have gone. They often re-apply but don't get back.
Managers job is to manage, to manage resources, to be effective and efficient.
Understand what effective in each location, area and company for the whole is important.
These what I found not adequate from tesco managers I ever met. Most of them don't even know what resources mean, just basic I manage people.
But of course, I know nothing, only mere ga.
Quote from: Redshoes on 21-12-21, 08:18AM
GA's work is different. All Replenishment colleagues should do hard physical work, it's what they are paid to do. Managers support all areas, work side by side filling shelves but the people who have tried and failed options are the people who only see this. It has often been the case that when they see the whole other side of a managers job they drop out. You don't get more money to just carry on and do the same replenishment job, it's a different role.
We are supposed to be training shift leaders now, once they have started working through the training pack most of them have dropped out. They don't want to know about PFS, about checkouts, about the whole store. They want to be a shift leader in fresh saying work that cage next and see that as the full job role.
All stores have colleagues who think they work harder than everyone else. We all have colleagues who spend ages complaining and have a chip on their shoulder. Over the years I have seen some of these hand in notice and move on. They think the store will fall apart without them. The reality if that there is often huge relief that they have gone. They often re-apply but don't get back.
Actually, in my experience it''s very much the opposite, yes you are right, a CAs job is to perform the bottom line activities, in Express this is admin (Express admins are do the whole spectrum of admin roles, wage clerk, lottery reconcilliation, safe counts etc), Stock Controller, checkouts and replenishment, Shift Leaders are the duty managers 99% of the time and have sole responsibility of the entire shop which is in stark contrast to large formats.
From what I've seen, 90% of those on options are there for a year or 2 and then jump ship to a competitor in a higher managerial role, seen it happen countless times, I was on "options" for 2 years and could see it was a cost saving measure and they wanted as much as they could get out of me. I transferred to another store and they made me a full fledged Shift Leader within 3 months admitting the SM of the other store was being a cowboy and not looking after his people.
Quote from: Redshoes on 21-12-21, 08:18AM
GA's work is different. All Replenishment colleagues should do hard physical work, it's what they are paid to do. Managers support all areas, work side by side filling shelves but the people who have tried and failed options are the people who only see this. It has often been the case that when they see the whole other side of a managers job they drop out. You don't get more money to just carry on and do the same replenishment job, it's a different role.
We are supposed to be training shift leaders now, once they have started working through the training pack most of them have dropped out. They don't want to know about PFS, about checkouts, about the whole store. They want to be a shift leader in fresh saying work that cage next and see that as the full job role.
All stores have colleagues who think they work harder than everyone else. We all have colleagues who spend ages complaining and have a chip on their shoulder. Over the years I have seen some of these hand in notice and move on. They think the store will fall apart without them. The reality if that there is often huge relief that they have gone. They often re-apply but don't get back.
Do you have trackers on GA's to see how hard they actually work ? colleagues having a chip on their shoulder if they did actually have a chip on their shoulder it would have been snaffled up by some of these rotund lack lustered managers when they do have to restock anything you will always find them all huddled together on either the crisp or toilet roll aisle chatting gibberish, very rare to get a decent manager anymore, most are there just to make up the numbers and basically to cause problems and gently push older member of staff out of the business to save on pensions, etc, you can see this on a weekly basis what a great job these managers are doing ;D >:(
These days lazy managers are either related to senior team, or know how to play the game ;)
I recall, many years ago, one lazy, overweight manager of bread & cakes dept, who had just joined the gym! His dept was severely undermanned due to sickness and his bad management of the rotas! Customers were complaining that there was no fresh bread out, the one and only staff member was on a checkout call...he was sat on an office table whilst he 'phoned down to the checkout desk, to insist they take his staff member off the checkout immediately!! I told him he should go down and start lugging the trays out himself, he wouldn't need to pay for a gym then!!
Yep I was in the store manager's office within minutes, who listened to both of us, ( the old days when SM's were fair and approachable) then he told the manager to stop wasting more time and go support his team! I got a high 5 from the store manager as I left the office :)
Incompetence raises to the top generally at Tesco, fortunately a Russian AM has took over the group I was in and has taken the Vladimir Putin approach of saying things how they are, 20 pompous, lazy self-entitled SMs backlashed to his honest feedback and he sent them packing, it's what the business needs, a straight talking person who focuses on the KPI's not the pink and fluffy cultural touchy feely aspects of people management and fulfilling diversity quotas.
God I hope they get rid of bakeries this year.
Totally fed up with this garbage.
I look forward to been on my own again tomorrow.... :(
Thank you, rant over!!
Feel free to rant all you wish my friend, I dare say you're not alone ( apart from in the bakery tomorrow :))
Just rock up, prioritise your shift, take every break fully, and leave on time...it's your manager's job to fret, not yours :thumbup:
The scratch bakeries are on serious borrowed time now. Everyone who got booted and paid off handsomely 2 years ago are probably still rubbing their hands with glee. Don't think those left will be so lucky.
I can't see them wanting to keep skilled bakers on 30 hour or full time contracts.
We can only hope they see sense and pull the trigger. I can't see many wanting to stay!
It'll be the FSM debacle all over again, kept on in limbo under the pretense of "soft structure change" hoping they'll leave so they don't have to pay redundo.
Wait do some tesco still have bakers?
All 20 tescos I can get to all come in frozen and produce (fruit/veg) tram just do them. No bakers where I work!
And the one I shop in (eg near my home that I don't work in) is an extra store and they don't even have ovens anymore! Least the ones you can see public view are unused since same time. Our store got rid of fish and bakery etc.
Does anybody know , when it becomes official from the top. Not returning to opening 24 hours?
yeah still have bakers in ours, we had about 4 / 5 we now have 2 and 1 leaving, they been advertising his job since october-ish, but no one wants it, since its on your own, no help and cover the other baker when they need it... lol.
Quote from: person7 on 05-01-22, 12:33AM
Wait do some tesco still have bakers?
All 20 tescos I can get to all come in frozen and produce (fruit/veg) tram just do them. No bakers where I work!
And the one I shop in (eg near my home that I don't work in) is an extra store and they don't even have ovens anymore! Least the ones you can see public view are unused since same time. Our store got rid of fish and bakery etc.
Hundreds of stores still have scratch bakeries, every store on my group still has one.
It was only certain stores/areas that lost them.
Believe there was a trail a few years back near London where something called emporium bakeries or something took over, but was dropped.
Quote from: Pancakes on 05-01-22, 05:12AM
Does anybody know , when it becomes official from the top. Not returning to opening 24 hours?
The current thinking from stores is no official announcement will be made till after March.
The reasoning being that hopefully this will be the last winter of restrictions and possible last chance of the Government doing any lockdown before England learns to live with the virus.
Id like to say the same for Scotland etc, but sturgeon and co. seem hell bent on total domination of there citizens.
Quote from: NightAndDay on 21-12-21, 07:20PM
Incompetence raises to the top generally at Tesco, fortunately a Russian AM has took over the group I was in and has taken the Vladimir Putin approach of saying things how they are, 20 pompous, lazy self-entitled SMs backlashed to his honest feedback and he sent them packing, it's what the business needs, a straight talking person who focuses on the KPI's not the pink and fluffy cultural touchy feely aspects of people management and fulfilling diversity quotas.
You're welcome, comrade! ;D
I have heard there's another massive round of restructuring coming after the year. Anybody heard anymore? Heat map is revising all departments. Doesn't look good for bakeries I don't think
Doesn't surprise me about bakery and won't most staff been totally run into the ground since Easter this years , lack of packing, lack of stock. No Xmas stock apart from mince pies this year. And for some reason my store had 5 all pretty much full time or 30 plus hours. Plus 3 packers and now only taking around 6-7k a week everyone keeps saying it can't be run like this going forward. They've run them into the ground on purpose
Bakeries will definitely be gone in New Year. The writings been on the wall for 3 years. The wise ones got out then when they had the chance. Completely driven into the ground since then. And with all the changes to contracts they'll be no redundancy option for them this time.
Quote from: Biscuit tin on 02-12-22, 09:57PMBakeries will definitely be gone in New Year. The writings been on the wall for 3 years. The wise ones got out then when they had the chance. Completely driven into the ground since then. And with all the changes to contracts they'll be no redundancy option for them this time.
Do you think they'll all go part bake or just shut them completely and stick with plant lines? They've just invested a lot of money in new trial designs of fresh bakeries so I'm unsure why they'd do that if they were to completely close them down
Our bakery is taking more money than ever even with price increases our sales were nearly 13 k last week on target to beat 13k this week .
Butchery counter, fish counter, deli counter, all the evidence is there. Bakeries next.
some stores still have fish and meat counters,they never got rid of them totally
I could see a lot of superstores switching to Bake Off. I can't see them getting rid of bakeries completely.
I think we'll always have some kind of bakery but it's inevitable that they will become more like other supermarkets where nothing is made from scratch and it's just a bit of fancy bread and a load of confec.
I do wonder if they will go as far as the Lidl model and have it all single item self serve.
The only thing I can think of is how popular the scratch rolls are, particularly in the summer when people have bbqs etc... We're even getting customer orders for xmas for scratch rolls as people are holding parties again.
I'm sure I read in a weekly bakery news pdf last year that Tesco earn a couple of million from all the rolls sales. Would this be an acceptable loss to them?
What do bake off stores do soft roll wise, is there a frozen substitute?
There is a substitute frozen bake off roll but not the same quality as we make from scratch.
We get frozen 4 pack scottish morning rolls always coming in and we make the scratch 6 pack.
I've felt the bake off french sticks before and they always seem rock hard. I wonder how people will react to scratch items going? Admittedly the scratch bread isn't popular in my store anymore apart from the weekends and xmas but the rolls and french sticks still are.
They took too many checkouts out in my store and even the store manager thinks it was a step too far and we still get people asking if we have a hot chicken counter even though the space has now been converted into back stock storage. They're certainly not wasting any time.
I guess we'll find out in the last week of January if anything is happening.
My instore bakery has seen significant declines regarding sales with scratch bread and rolls, it's been a shocking year for stock and packaging, we have lost a small fortune because of this. We have only two xmas lines, which shows it doesn't look like they want to invest in bakeries.
Yeah the last range change has been a disaster. The lack of seasonal lines this year is noticeable. We're not even having a temp this year in our bakery, that may just be a local store decision though.
The two bakeries I've worked in have seen cuts made every single year since I started in department in 2007 so this is nothing new, skeleton crew now and no one upskilled in store to even slice a loaf which was promised in 2020 when job losses were done. Takings down to 5k a week now as some days no one on department after 1pm. My store has just had a full refit completed with nothing new for bakery.. Wish they would just tell us what their plan is instead of letting rumours spread every sodding year 🤬
Bakerys won't be going, bakerys before the restructuring were losing roughly £60 million per year, through over hours, bad equipment costing thousands in energy prices and complicated processes,
After they have been simplified ingredients and hours reduced they now make £5 profit per year, our store has had two new revo ovens and was the first store in the country with the new mono deck ovens which cost £250k each, they significantly lower the energy usage, tesco have ordered 200+ of these ovens for the sctrath stores still in operation. They wouldn't be putting so much investment into a department if they were culling it.
Fresh bread and rolls are a point of difference to the cheaper retailers it's in tesco interest to still offer this Especially now they are a profitable operating instead of a money pit as before.
£5 profit :thumbup:
Quote from: Biscuit tin on 09-12-22, 01:33PM£5 profit :thumbup:
£5 million, numpty.
All the doom and gloomsters will hate hearing that news I'm sure :D
Your in-denial. I await the end of January for another leak to the press and the inevitable announcement that 'customer habits are changing' etc
Possibly scratch bakeries will move over to bake off, not sure if you'd need skilled bakers for bake off, but I suppose it comes down to cost effectiveness of it.
Our bakery is going from strength to strength takings up 15% year on year shows if you have the right people you can deliver success.
Volume of sales should be the marker, 15% increase in takings is not that big of deal considering some items have gone up way over 15%.
If you have any people you can deliver success. How many staff do you have? And more importantly how many did you lose in 2020?
Sales and takings going up mean little if a restructure hits, we had one of the most profitable hot chicken counters in the country according to our S.M but off it went along with all our other counters come a restructure.
Takings up 15% isn't that great when you consider inflation in general is currently running at around 11% and on some food stuffs its actually much higher than 15%.
It's the actual margin Tesco makes that will ultimately decide if Bakeries remain a instore feature. With the need in many stores to invest in equipment, plus the high labour intensity of baking product from scratch I'd be surprised if our bakeries are anywhere close to generating high profit levels.
Have no idea what the new year will bring but suspect any areas instore delivering low margins will be at risk, especially when national statistics show demand for baked loaves is falling as the public turn to pastries and artisan loaves.
Quote from: Bakersdozen on 09-12-22, 11:30AMBakerys won't be going, bakerys before the restructuring were losing roughly £60 million per year, through over hours, bad equipment costing thousands in energy prices and complicated processes,
After they have been simplified ingredients and hours reduced they now make £5 profit per year, our store has had two new revo ovens and was the first store in the country with the new mono deck ovens which cost £250k each, they significantly lower the energy usage, tesco have ordered 200+ of these ovens for the sctrath stores still in operation. They wouldn't be putting so much investment into a department if they were culling it.
Fresh bread and rolls are a point of difference to the cheaper retailers it's in tesco interest to still offer this Especially now they are a profitable operating instead of a money pit as before.
Losing 60 million a year ?? Made up figures? Our bakery was top of region highly profitable totally destroyed by redundancies now makes half the amount of money but has 9 packers absolute lunacy, they want bake off big stores and none in smaller why else no new bakers employed or training
I see they are trialing bakery apprenticeships. That has to be a good sign.
You see not very far evidently
It's business as usual until any announcement is made......
Quote from: Rubydubydoo on 30-01-23, 12:16AMI see they are trialing bakery apprenticeships. That has to be a good sign.
Back under the George Osbourne days, as part of the tory strategy to tackle high levels of NEETs and youth unemployment, they made the apprenticeship national minimum wage (now £5-£5.50 an hour I believe) and at the same time the government would reward employers who would take on apprentices.
This was another example of tory short termism, what resulted was every employer and their dog making redundant or firing long term established staff and replacing them with "apprentices" paying around £2.50 an hour and getting a few grand from the government after doing so. Morrisons, Boots, everyone was at it, advertising roles such as apprentice customer assistant or apprentice trolley boy, they get some Mickey mouse level 2 or 3 NVQ or B.tech in customer service or pushing trolleys at the end of it.
It wasn't too long before the government cottoned on and made the rate the same as the 16/17 year old minimum wage with none of the subsidies.
Quote from: Rubydubydoo on 30-01-23, 12:16AMI see they are trialing bakery apprenticeships. That has to be a good sign
😆 5 people paid by Scottish bakeries not Tesco 😂
There has been a lot written about management changes, any news on night shifts.
Nights more likely to be told tomorrow morning if anything happening!
Any news what's happening with Express format ? Or is it just metro ,superstore and extra stores affect this time ?
Quote from: chris9997 on 30-01-23, 06:23PMThere has been a lot written about management changes, any news on night shifts.
Nights won't be informed for another two weeks due to timescales etc if your store is losing nights it will be after Easter weekend they leave
Nights are being informed tonight
Has anyone's store actually had there nights moved to twilights/days this time around? As it sounds like it's just been management & counters affected
Nope,im atill plodding on,is no news good news?nights is the future,sit back and enjoy
No one tell Bobmay he'll be devastated after spamming on here for the last few months.
Are nights are still staying its just manager in are store
there were trials where frozen and h&b were moved to days,not sure if the trials are completed yet,and if it will get rolled out accross all stores,but it would not surprise me if it happens and they slowly move each aisle onto days
Shame security not going there are only 15 or 20 people that are Tesco security in the company I would take redundancy in a flash
Quote from: Tesco gimp on 30-01-23, 10:31PMQuote from: chris9997 on 30-01-23, 06:23PMThere has been a lot written about management changes, any news on night shifts.
Nights won't be informed for another two weeks due to timescales etc if your store is losing nights it will be after Easter weekend they leave
Why is that? I have just heard from somone who stated they are removing night and getting redundancy.
Nights in extra's are staying and no redundancy
I don't know about extras but many Tesco are removing nights now. I suspect now it small Tesco like express stores former metros and some superstores. Tesco has announced they will be removing nights from 12 more stores today. They will also be removing pharmacy jobs from some Tesco and will also be removing many managers from many stores. In total Tesco states 350 will be effected by this change. Expect more to come soon either this year or next. More cuts are coming.
Still with the unfounded scare tactics then Bobmay?
Bobmay will not rest until every nightshift has been made redundant.
;D :thumbup:
Quote from: NightGrafter on 31-01-23, 02:12AMHas anyone's store actually had there nights moved to twilights/days this time around? As it sounds like it's just been management & counters affected
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Yes was informed around this time last year of hours removed due to simplification of routines then two weeks later where back in an office to be told that there was more and we would lose nights if any store is losing there nightshift they will not be told at the moment as they will wait until the 45 day consultation lands on Easter Saturday
Quote from: Talisman on 30-01-23, 10:57PMNights are being informed tonight
No they won't the only people who will have been briefed last night where those affected if a store is losing there nightshift it won't be announced for at least another two weeks this happened to our store and another in our group last year
Quote from: Tesco gimp on 31-01-23, 08:14PMQuote from: Talisman on 30-01-23, 10:57PMNights are being informed tonight
No they won't the only people who will have been briefed last night where those affected if a store is losing there nightshift it won't be announced for at least another two weeks this happened to our store and another in our group last year
they have announced the 12 stores are losing there nightshift
Quote from: Juicecorner on 31-01-23, 08:53PMQuote from: Tesco gimp on 31-01-23, 08:14PMQuote from: Talisman on 30-01-23, 10:57PMNights are being informed tonight
No they won't the only people who will have been briefed last night where those affected if a store is losing there nightshift it won't be announced for at least another two weeks this happened to our store and another in our group last year
they have announced the 12 stores are losing there nightshift
Have they said which ones ???
Quote from: Tesco gimp on 31-01-23, 09:12PMQuote from: Juicecorner on 31-01-23, 08:53PMQuote from: Tesco gimp on 31-01-23, 08:14PMQuote from: Talisman on 30-01-23, 10:57PMNights are being informed tonight
No they won't the only people who will have been briefed last night where those affected if a store is losing there nightshift it won't be announced for at least another two weeks this happened to our store and another in our group last year
they have announced the 12 stores are losing there nightshift
Have they said which ones ???
Not that i have seen.
I just now my manager was informed our stores new night structure will be 2 managers and 2 shift leaders.
So i would assume that our store is not going to day fill but you just never no with this company
Quote from: Tesco gimp on 30-01-23, 10:31PMQuote from: chris9997 on 30-01-23, 06:23PMThere has been a lot written about management changes, any news on night shifts.
Nights won't be informed for another two weeks due to timescales etc if your store is losing nights it will be after Easter weekend they leave
You have been proven incorrect it is happening now.for 12 stores
Quote from: Happyshopper on 30-01-23, 07:56PMAny news what's happening with Express format ? Or is it just metro ,superstore and extra stores affect this time ?
It you have nights left in express store than they will be removing it.
@bobmay speculation speculation speculation ,i heard theyre keeping express nights as theyre cheap to run overnight >:(
Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 01-02-23, 02:20AM@bobmay speculation speculation speculation ,i heard theyre keeping express nights as theyre cheap to run overnight >:(
They aren't cheap for example in my store I get 15.60 an hour for night shift on saturdays and on sundays I get nearly 14 an hour. We rent have much delivery as before we used to get 3 fresh deliveries minimum sometimes 4 delivery for fresh. Now we only get 1 fresh delivery. We also get 1 grocery delivery no more than 20 cages between 10 people a night.
@bobmay do you think thats why more staff on days?because you hardly got anything to do on nights?
Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 01-02-23, 03:19AM@bobmay do you think thats why more staff on days?because you hardly got anything to do on nights?
They continue to hire more people on morn9ng evening. Soon they will be removing nights from even more stores until all stores are either completely removed from nights or twilight. Which is why I suspect is one reason they brought in new contract.
My store, a small to mid sized superstore we have been told that we are keeping our Night Shift but moving forward will only have 1 manager and 3 shift leaders. General assistants on nights are unaffected in our store, no job losses or redundancies.
In the day time they will lose 3 team managers and the deputy store manager/ lead manager and gain 1 additional shift leader.
I have put in a special request with head office that Bobmay be transferred to my store with immediate effect so he may continue on nights without fear of redundancy in the near future.
:D
Quote from: Bobmay on 01-02-23, 04:35AMQuote from: Sherwoodforest on 01-02-23, 03:19AM@bobmay do you think thats why more staff on days?because you hardly got anything to do on nights?
They continue to hire more people on morn9ng evening. Soon they will be removing nights from even more stores until all stores are either completely removed from nights or twilight. Which is why I suspect is one reason they brought in new contract.
Even with the new contract colleagues can't be moved from nights to days (unless they have said they're willing in their availability). It is an unreasonable request. Nights being removed would be a redundancy situation regardless of the new contract.
Nights are being removed from 12 stores this time around. We are a long way off the company getting rid of nights altogether.
My point was that the direction of Tesco is towards remotely or nights. Which is why the new contract in my opinion was brought in so people in the Mornin and evening can be filling shelves so when night is removed from their store they will be filling. Nights of course will be offered redundancy if they can't work the times needed.
@bobmay I've seen night vacancies for my store online so maybe your telling us your dreams, AGAIN.
Anyone know what criteria was used to decide which night teams should stay and which should go?
Quote from: sensible_woman on 01-02-23, 11:30AMAnyone know what criteria was used to decide which night teams should stay and which should go?
I belive it would be about how much the store spends on staff and how much profit they make.If they dont make much profit or lose more money the store is making that is rhe way they will decide to remove nights. I think the nights that will be removed will mainly come from small stores like former metro stores turned express stores some superstores and maybe 2 or 3 extra
@bobmay you have no real clue what the criteria is for removing nights from stores,so please stop guessing,the criteria isnt"bobmay says express former metros are going to lose nights so lets do that"
Quote from: Bobmay on 02-02-23, 12:49PMQuote from: sensible_woman on 01-02-23, 11:30AMAnyone know what criteria was used to decide which night teams should stay and which should go?
I belive it would be about how much the store spends on staff and how much profit they make.If they dont make much profit or lose more money the store is making that is rhe way they will decide to remove nights. I think the nights that will be removed will mainly come from small stores like former metro stores turned express stores some superstores and maybe 2 or 3 extra
You're just making people who work nights worried about their job going. Just stop you know nothing at all
I think it will be down to deliveries but it's just my guess. Some store are harder to get deliveries to than others. My guess is that dot com will be a factor too, but there will be numerous factors that go into this.
Soooo bakeries are unaffected in any way according to this forum... Though we have had to run on 69hrs a week in total as a scratch bakery with hot x now due too so cuts were pretty much impossible 😂
Bakery rumours doing the rounds again. Remaining Scratch stores going to bake-off? Or more likely all bakeries going completely and Greggs taking over??
Please make it happen 🙏
Haven't heard anything myself, but then when do we ever :-X I have however this week been informed I need to get check out trained (as a box tick exercise and I'll never be called down) which triggered alarm bells.. I've no issue with being checkout trained by the way but funny how I haven't been told in the last 16yrs of baking and you posted this the same week ???
May just be the 'new' contract t&cs I guess
Our baker now starts at midnight and finishes his shift at 6am.
Very naughty. When they got rid of the night bakery shifts 3 years ago they all qualified for redundancy. Bakers won't this time. Bit dodgy putting one back on there now so they could qualify again as a night worker.
Customer service not selling scratch cards anymore, this will mean more job cuts.
Scratch cards are going from 2024 in general, the new lottery operator is not going to be selling them at all.
Quote from: Biscuit tin on 31-07-23, 12:52PMVery naughty. When they got rid of the night bakery shifts 3 years ago they all qualified for redundancy. Bakers won't this time. Bit dodgy putting one back on there now so they could qualify again as a night worker.
Why wouldn't bakers get redundancy this time round?
@grassman I think they're saying if a store got rid of nights, majority of bakers hours are during the early mornings 2,3 am starts but if a store puts bakers into midnight starts then surely they'd qualify, as the majority of hours are night hours.
If they went part bake, surely bakers would be entitled to redundancy.
Quote from: NeglectedBaker on 30-07-23, 09:23PMHaven't heard anything myself, but then when do we ever :-X I have however this week been informed I need to get check out trained (as a box tick exercise and I'll never be called down) which triggered alarm bells.. I've no issue with being checkout trained by the way but funny how I haven't been told in the last 16yrs of baking and you posted this the same week ???
May just be the 'new' contract t&cs I guess
Did your employment with Tesco start pre 2005, including the first half of 2005?
Not anymore. They're just going to buyout the skill payment.
Quote from: Biscuit tin on 26-07-23, 06:07PMBakery rumours doing the rounds again. Remaining Scratch stores going to bake-off? Or more likely all bakeries going completely and Greggs taking over??
In our store today
Someone in a suit was photographing all machines in our Bakery, He said it was to refurbish for smaller stores.?
@baker52 cant see why you,d photograph old machinery for a refurb unless it was for your own store,as size,layouts different in all bakeries
Quote from: Baker52 on 25-09-23, 05:34PMQuote from: Biscuit tin on 26-07-23, 06:07PMBakery rumours doing the rounds again. Remaining Scratch stores going to bake-off? Or more likely all bakeries going completely and Greggs taking over??
In our store today
Someone in a suit was photographing all machines in our Bakery, He said it was to refurbish for smaller stores.?
Maybe they're sending it to Ukraine? LOL https://bakeryinfo.co.uk/equipment/tesco-donates-equipment-to-bakers-in-ukraine/680295.article
Just heard today all legacy warehouse operatives, security and all clerical staff have been offered redundancy in Antrim and Belfast distribution sites. Hgv drivers are excluded from this offer.
Quote from: belfast driver on 15-01-24, 08:16PMJust heard today all legacy warehouse operatives, security and all clerical staff have been offered redundancy in Antrim and Belfast distribution sites. Hgv drivers are excluded from this offer.
That would be the announcement that was talked about being made today.
Quote from: belfast driver on 15-01-24, 08:16PMJust heard today all legacy warehouse operatives, security and all clerical staff have been offered redundancy in Antrim and Belfast distribution sites. Hgv drivers are excluded from this offer.
It's not redundancy is it?
Yes grim up North it is voluntary redundancy. Warehouse and clerical only. Drivers and site services are excluded from this offer but I'd say it's only a matter of time before the drivers are made an offer.
Are you certain it's not something else other than redundancy?
What else would it be lol? The legacy contract buy out was offered last year and only 1 warehouse worker accepted it as he was already accepted for warehouse to wheels.
Voluntary Severance pay. Which is different. At my DC they are offering voluntary severance so if others are getting redundancy, people need to know as there is a difference between the two
Anyone heard anything about fulfilment shift leaders going in large format?
Quote from: Shar23 on 06-03-24, 03:36PMAnyone heard anything about fulfilment shift leaders going in large format?
Normally it is based on the number of vans & sales you have in store, they already got rid of the Driving Team Support role during the last change a few years ago, I doubt very much they will get rid of this role as most Dotcoms would be screwed without them. So if you are hearing rumours of the job going, maybe your store is scheduled to be downsized.
I know post code moves are currently taking place. I think there is gonna be merging going of smaller dotcoms into the larger ones. Does not make sense to have 2 dotcoms less than 5 miles apart with 2 very different sizes.
We are a 5 van operation & currently have 1 manager , 2 shift leaders & have a vacancy out for a 3rd