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But wouldnt availability be classed as discrimination though? What if the availability is determined by child care issues or health reasons i.e clinic appointments on certain days or having to go to religious places?
Also, i'm led to believe that in the new roles managers can work anytime as they will not do duties anymore...

Limited availability and what will happen is discussed in the collective consultation.

Quote from: Davethebave on 21-02-23, 09:06AMWe will find out today once the criteria is released to store managers.

Good luck to everyone in the next few weeks. Don't make any decisions based on other people, be greedy and look after #1. Take right up until the last day of your consultation before you make any choices, get all the buy out figures etc from day one so you have the most time to think about everything.

Shift leaders are going to be on £13.28 ph in the near future, dont be afraid to step down into that if it suits you and your family needs.

I'm told we won't find out until 6th March?

Quote from: The crow on 22-02-23, 11:39AMBut wouldnt availability be classed as discrimination though? What if the availability is determined by child care issues or health reasons i.e clinic appointments on certain days or having to go to religious places?
Also, i'm led to believe that in the new roles managers can work anytime as they will not do duties anymore...

No, the managers roles are expected to be 36 hours per week. If you don't have the availability for that you will be scored down. It's not discrimination if those are the expected hours for the new roles

@philthefill you can't tell me you've never took 1 person on on a flexi contract because they had more availability than someone else, everyone has, why is this any different because its managers.

Quote from: Mikoo on 22-02-23, 07:43AMThe issue with using length of service in a tie is that it will discriminate and the UK does actually have work laws to prevent redundancy being offered on those grounds.

So maybe there has been confusion over what was said.

Length of service can be part of the scoring system if the employer can justify it, but it should not be used as the sole factor.
https://www.gov.uk/staff-redundant/compulsory-redundancy

Criteria is as follows:

Disciplinary record – a factual entry based on our records (live warnings on file for
conduct), with gradation applied to the level of warning
o Absence record – a factual entry based on our records (live warnings on file for
absence, excluding any disability-related absences), with gradation applied to the level
of warning
o 20/21 and 21/22 EOY Performance
o Key accountabilities – the manager is asked to score each of their colleagues against
the key accountabilities/skills required in the role
▪ Onekeyaccountabilitywillfocusonthe'what'-TheBig6and/orsupporting
measures
▪ Twokeyaccountabilitieswillfocusonthe'how'-TheBig6and/orsupporting
measures, and contribution to Every Voice Matters results
o Tie breaker – if two or more colleagues have scored the same after completing all
sections of the selection form, the Consultation Manager will need to consider if the
colleague has expressed a preference for redundancy
o If the colleagues in the tie break have expressed the same preference, the Consultation Manager will need to consider the following:
 ▪ The 'how' for Safety First

I don't agree with using every voice matters, its so open to abuse it can't be confirmed as accurate.

Wonder if stress/depression counts as disability..

Will Disciplinary record include lets talks or just actual investigations?

Disciplinary will involve just warnings.

Investigations that revived nfa or even a disciplinary meeting that was nfa shouldn't be included. Let's talks are only records of conversations, nothing more so won't count.

Quote from: Davethebave on 22-02-23, 05:18PMCriteria is as follows:

Disciplinary record – a factual entry based on our records (live warnings on file for
conduct), with gradation applied to the level of warning
o Absence record – a factual entry based on our records (live warnings on file for
absence, excluding any disability-related absences), with gradation applied to the level
of warning
o 20/21 and 21/22 EOY Performance
o Key accountabilities – the manager is asked to score each of their colleagues against
the key accountabilities/skills required in the role
▪ Onekeyaccountabilitywillfocusonthe'what'-TheBig6and/orsupporting
measures
▪ Twokeyaccountabilitieswillfocusonthe'how'-TheBig6and/orsupporting
measures, and contribution to Every Voice Matters results
o Tie breaker – if two or more colleagues have scored the same after completing all
sections of the selection form, the Consultation Manager will need to consider if the
colleague has expressed a preference for redundancy
o If the colleagues in the tie break have expressed the same preference, the Consultation Manager will need to consider the following:
 ▪ The 'how' for Safety First

Dave - where is the original text for these criteria please?

I can guess of at least two managers who are now at risk at my store going off this.

Including 20/21 shafts our front end manager (thats the one who does no work at all)

I like how redundancy will be used on preference. If a colleague wants to stay but another one doesn't it is only fair regardless of scoring that the one who wants to stay can. 

Colleague help

Search for collective consultation and it's in meeting 3

There is some other useful information included

Thank you 

Have I read it right? covid absences are not included?

To be fair they have said about not including covid absence from the start. It will still show on your form but has to be referenced to show it's covid and therefore N/A


Criteria still not as black and white as it should or even could be. Still has to be more complicated than it has to be

Well it looks like my manager is fine going off this. Happy for him.

The criteria is pretty decent in my opinion

The only managers who need to worry are those who have not met reviews, have had warnings and have poor attendance.

You can't really argue with that as a base line.

The key accountabilities one is the only funny one with the criteria.

Every manager has different accountabilities, a sole checkout manager for example has a lot less impact than the fresh manager with 4 or 5 different areas to oversee

If you state that you want to stay, but you are then offered a role at a different store, can you refuse and change your preference  to redundancy?

@Forcryingoutloud, probably not!
There was an interesting little bit about stock/admin in the 3rd consultation meeting. If you've got it ,it looks like you're a bit special and may get scored up. Of course, it wasn't classed as special when it was dumped on some managers who didn't have a clue in the last few years!

Well the admin manager normally has to sign off all the specialist wages etc and usually runs the cash office so to be honest its probably worthy of few extra points. 

Stock/admin is a pretty complex role. You couldn't just move someone into a position like that unless they had admin and stock control experience. Most managers should have a knowledge of it but for example if both the customer service desk and checkout managers have zero knowledge of stock control routines or how something like MST works then they aren't going to be moved from the front end into a role they will not be able to grasp from the off. Like also said above, the admin/stock manager has to be able to understand wages. The system only takes care of so much.

That is why I think, for once, they criteria is spot on.  It all sounds fair to me. If it works the way its written down on paper then the store manager should be able to put all the best managers into the roles that suit their experience pretty easy.

I've argued for years stock control should be a specialist skill. Its a completely overlooked role, a legal role when you add in the date checks, where stock colleagues usually get s*** on.

So its actually nice to see Tesco are viewing the stock control managers as a bit more worthy for once.

Having now seen the actual selection form, having a skill like stock and admin won't effect your score in anyway.