I've been trying to calculate my holiday entitlement for the coming year but I can't make sense of the information on the colleague help pages. Can anyone here explain it simply?
I am contracted to 26 hours a week. I work 9-7 Tues and Fri, and 6-10 on Wed and Sat evenings.
Team leader says it's basically 4 weeks times my contracted hours = 104 hours? Looking at the bank holiday calendar on here I'm due to work on Fri 15th April. Not sure how that affects things. For what it's worth I started at Tesco about 12 months ago.
As you're a new starter, you don't get any additional holiday on top of your statutory minimum which is 5.6 weeks pro-rata, Bank holidays don't have to be given as holiday but Tesco does, so full timers get 28 days and 8-9 bank holidays which can be taken in lieu of another day.
As you're a part timer working 4 days a week, you multiply 37 days by 0.8 which should give you 22 days and 6 bank holidays to take every year.
On your payslip, it tells you on tbe bottom right corner your days earned, entitled and taken and a separate part for bank holidays.
@Lost in Lewisham
What NightandDay says, but check that as they do hours calculation, not shifts now?
But I'm confused, you say you're contracted for 26 hours?
9-7 shift is 10 hours x 2 = 20hrs - break 90 mins x2 = 17 hours
6-10 shift is 4 hours x2 = 8 hrs - break 15 mins x 2 = 7.5 hours
I believe they changed the 1.5 hour break for 9+ hour shifts to 45 minutes a while back.
nah still 90 mins which is too long but they insist on it
Quote from: NightAndDay on 14-02-22, 02:51PM
As you're a new starter, you don't get any additional holiday on top of your statutory minimum which is 5.6 weeks pro-rata, Bank holidays don't have to be given as holiday but Tesco does, so full timers get 28 days and 8-9 bank holidays which can be taken in lieu of another day.
As you're a part timer working 4 days a week, you multiply 37 days by 0.8 which should give you 22 days and 6 bank holidays to take every year.
On your payslip, it tells you on tbe bottom right corner your days earned, entitled and taken and a separate part for bank holidays.
Not sure you mean "37 days by 0.8"??
As he works 4 days not 5 he gets 20% less, or the pro rata'd amount so 4/5 of 37, or 37 x 0.8 rounding down the fractional parts.
@Lost in Lewisham
What kind of store do you work in??
Your team leader is correct. A good starting point is your contracted hours times four.
Thanks for all the replies. I'm a CDD in an Extra. On a 9-7 shift I get a 1 hr break and no break on a 4 hour 6-10 shift. I don't see how I can get given 6 bank holidays as I'm only scheduled to work on one of them. Obviously it would be different if I worked full time Monday to Friday.
As holidays and bank holidays are now just hours, I will update on what I have said in previous comment.
Colleagues with less than 12 months service will have pro-rata holidays, depending on your start date.
Your weeks are your contracted hours, this means is actual working hours so does not include breaks. So if you did 3 x 4 hour shifts this would be eleven and a quarter hours as you would get a 15 min break each day.
Holidays and Bank holidays combined.
Less than 12 month gets 5.6 weeks
More than 12 months but less than five years gets 6 weeks
5 years but less than 10 years gets 6.6 weeks
10 years but less than 15 gets 7.2 weeks
15 years or more gets 7.6 weeks
Remember you need to use some of these hours for Christmas and you will get a personal day that is not calculated in hours, it's still a whole day, if still employed after the end of September, it think it's September anyway.
The days you work no longer have an impact on the holiday entitlement. As most bank holidays fall on a Monday it is not just people who work a Monday who get them, everybody does. The however part of that is that you may be required to work, but this is a last resort and does not include Christmas. It varies from store to store, I have worked in a few. The one I'm in just now the bank holidays are not difficult to fill, most people prefer to add the time together and take off as whole weeks. As we are a superstore, we don't open Boxing Day. The hardest day for us to fill is the 1st Jan as it's a Scottish store. The 2nd Jan is a holiday in Scotland too and that is almost as hard to fill as the 1st.
So everyone over 12 months gets 6 weeks now, irrelevant of contracted days?? Which I suppose evens out those who were contracted on the most BH Mondays to those who aren't!
From you're post, it would appear the poster is not having proper entitlement of breaks? What is the set breaks now for a 10 hour shift in an extra ...still 1.5 hour?? You've stated a 4 hour shift should be 15 mins :thumbup:
@ Lost in Lewisham
It would appear you're not having your correct break times?? Are you sure you're getting paid for 26 hours and not for 24.5 hours??
If you have a wages clerk, chances are they are paying you for 24.5 as the breaks are automatically taken off by them?
Awaiting clarification from other posters as to agreed break times in situ now for a CDD...but Redshoes who is a manager at their store, has stated a 4 hour shift is still a compulsory 15 min break!
CDD not entitled to any breaks upto 5.5hr shift. We have a list of break entitlements on our colleague board in store.
Quote from: Redshoes on 14-02-22, 08:20PM
As holidays and bank holidays are now just hours, I will update on what I have said in previous comment.
Colleagues with less than 12 months service will have pro-rata holidays, depending on your start date.
Your weeks are your contracted hours, this means is actual working hours so does not include breaks. So if you did 3 x 4 hour shifts this would be eleven and a quarter hours as you would get a 15 min break each day.
Holidays and Bank holidays combined.
Less than 12 month gets 5.6 weeks
More than 12 months but less than five years gets 6 weeks
5 years but less than 10 years gets 6.6 weeks
10 years but less than 15 gets 7.2 weeks
15 years or more gets 7.6 weeks
Remember you need to use some of these hours for Christmas and you will get a personal day that is not calculated in hours, it's still a whole day, if still employed after the end of September, it think it's September anyway.
i get 8.6 weeks combined. over 15 years service
Quote from: fatlad on 14-02-22, 10:14PM
CDD not entitled to any breaks upto 5.5hr shift. We have a list of break entitlements on our colleague board in store.
testicles!!!!!!!
Quote from: NightAndDay on 14-02-22, 05:04PM
I believe they changed the 1.5 hour break for 9+ hour shifts to 45 minutes a while back.
Can you remember WHEN this was changed? I have contract issues looming!
Quote from: fatlad on 14-02-22, 10:14PM
CDD not entitled to any breaks upto 5.5hr shift. We have a list of break entitlements on our colleague board in store.
Just confirm break structure for drivers, cut and pasted from the click and learn training.
"You're entitled to breaks while you're at work, time off between shifts and days off.
For Dotcom Drivers we have agreed with USDAW the following break periods;
Up to 6 hours: no break entitlement
6-9 hour shift: 30 min break
9+ hour shift: 60 min breakl"
Quote from: Redshoes on 14-02-22, 08:20PM
As holidays and bank holidays are now just hours, I will update on what I have said in previous comment.
Colleagues with less than 12 months service will have pro-rata holidays, depending on your start date.
Your weeks are your contracted hours, this means is actual working hours so does not include breaks. So if you did 3 x 4 hour shifts this would be eleven and a quarter hours as you would get a 15 min break each day.
Holidays and Bank holidays combined.
Less than 12 month gets 5.6 weeks
More than 12 months but less than five years gets 6 weeks
5 years but less than 10 years gets 6.6 weeks
10 years but less than 15 gets 7.2 weeks
15 years or more gets 7.6 weeks
Remember you need to use some of these hours for Christmas and you will get a personal day that is not calculated in hours, it's still a whole day, if still employed after the end of September, it think it's September anyway.
So on this basis assuming a full timer works 37 hours a week:
26 / 37 = 0.703
6(weeks) x 37 = 222
0.703 x 222 = 156.066
156 hours.
Cut and pasted from colleague help:
"Check your holiday entitlement
If you're a Stores colleague, you can check this year's absence balance by looking at the bottom of the first page of your payslip (learn how to view your payslip). To find out your holiday entitlement for next year, ask your line manager or your Wage or Admin Clerk."
Anyway, thanks again for all your input. Easiest thing is probably wait until new holiday year when my updated hours allocation will magically appear on my payslip. Don't need to be bothering the wages clerk when she's probably up to her eyeballs in pay queries. I'm pretty rubbish with excel but for someone that knows what they're doing you'd think it would be easy to come up with a formula to allow you to input start date, job description (to allow for differing break structures) and contracted hours worked. Up would pop the magic number. Simples.
L in L:
Your calculation seems pretty robust - although I believe Tesco's full-time hours is 36.5? So that would benefit you slightly.
In addition to that, you'd also need to add on your BH hours - I'm guessing that will be something along the lines of 7.3 hours (roughly the no. of hours for a 5 day a week full timer on 36.5 hours) multiplied by 6 days (you're entitled to 6 BHs given you work 4 days a week) - so roughly another 43.8 hours.
Enjoy.
I work 36.5 hrs weekly and get 277.50hrs. I'm sure it works out less than the previous way 🤔
So I get this hours thing being better. So is it now that people don't have to take a whole day, but can just use hours and take a part day?
People taking time owed, PD etc...now can't choose their longest shift day, but is BH just given as hours in credit, for the colleague to take anytime, but the day recognised as paid day off if the colleague chooses? Do they still get a premium for working it and the hours credited back?
Yes, you can now book part days. You can't do this a long way in advance but if you have an app etc you can request going home an hour early and you can use holiday. It used to be time back or unpaid.
It's a great thing for anyone who has come back to work after being off long term. The return to work plan can have whole days as holiday or shorter days. It depends on the individual and it is never one fit suits everyone. It is a far easier way to enable shorter working days when needed.
I still don't get how you can book part days / a few hours left over at the end of the year if you are a CDD and your time at work is dictated by the van going out and coming back at specified times. Can't see customers and managers being happy if you come back an hour or two early with undelivered orders still on board. What happens about those few odd hours if not taken as holiday?
Any holiday hours not taken would be lost, like it says in policy, its mainly. Up to to the colleague to book and use them all, so if managers aren't happy that's unfortunately going to be a them problem, if you want the time, book it, they'll have to work around it 🤷♂️, should have plenty of notice anyhow with the hours system...
Quote from: gomezz on 18-02-22, 11:22AM
I still don't get how you can book part days / a few hours left over at the end of the year if you are a CDD and your time at work is dictated by the van going out and coming back at specified times. Can't see customers and managers being happy if you come back an hour or two early with undelivered orders still on board. What happens about those few odd hours if not taken as holiday?
Book the hours you are entitled to & let management deal with the issue. Maybe cover click & collect or help with picking, turnaround etc... or heaven forbid, help out on shop floor!
Sorry to jump into this thread, but was told last night by our union rep that tesco are in the process of moving the usual bank holiday NIGHT shifts to the shift before. So for example bank holiday Monday will now be the Sunday into Monday shift and good Friday will be the Thursday into Friday shift. Just wondering if anyone has heard this, because it makes no sense and is ridiculous in my mind. Once again thus is just night shifts.
Heard about the movement it sounds like it is just to p**s on staff again.
Our night shift already has bank holidays the night before. It is because more of you hours are actually on the bank holiday.
Quote from: Sarah106 on 01-03-22, 03:54PM
Our night shift already has bank holidays the night before. It is because more of you hours are actually on the bank holiday.
This I kinda get but for 20 years I have worked, according to tesco, mon -fri my first shift 10pm mon my last 10pm fri. So by this logic I am, in tesco eyes, actually working tues to sat. And it also means night shift cant go away for Easter weekend because they off Thursday back in good Friday. Makes no sense
Night bank holidays under work and pay are set for the night before the Bank Holiday as in effect the majority of your shift (midnight till 7pm) actually falls on the Bank Holiday date.
And just one last thing, do tesco recognise the substitute bank holidays at Christmas and New year?
no because we work Saturdays etc. those in head office will have enjoyed that though as they just work Monday to Friday.
Quote from: mrpooie on 07-03-22, 10:44AM
And just one last thing, do tesco recognise the substitute bank holidays at Christmas and New year?
Only if one of them falls on a sunday
@mr poole ,of course you can go away for easter,book the time off,like our day team would have to do,it sounds like your issue not a nights issue,
Quote from: mrpooie on 07-03-22, 10:44AM
And just one last thing, do tesco recognise the substitute bank holidays at Christmas and New year?
Quote from: londoner83 on 02-03-22, 05:35AM
Night bank holidays under work and pay are set for the night before the Bank Holiday as in effect the majority of your shift (midnight till 7pm) actually falls on the Bank Holiday date.
the union states that under work and pay the shift does not move ie christmas eve 24th december night shift comes in at say 10pm from 12 midnight christmas day bh pay kicks in
Just book off the shift you want, ignoring when official bank holiday dates are. I never even know what the bank holidays are each year, I just book my holiday entitlement whenever I want the time off
Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 16-03-22, 07:16AM
@mr poole ,of course you can go away for easter,book the time off,like our day team would have to do,it sounds like your issue not a nights issue,
Not really as before u couldn't be refused the shift now I can. So not guaranteed anymore
Which makes it sound like you havent tried yet,if you normally have it as bank holiday ,work the thursday for the friday,im sure if the thursday is your bhol,theyl still want staff in.try a compromise.but if you havent tried to get it off yet then surely thats on you
Quote from the holiday management thing - Christmas Day 2022 falls on a Sunday, and in line with our Partnership agreement, Sunday 25thDecember is notclassed as a bank holiday. This day will be moved to Tuesday 27th December.
Night bank holidays for Christmas and New Year All Bank Holidays are set centrally for W&P Stores.For night workers on the "Work & Pay"Payroll system, only the hours that fall on the actual bank holiday will be paid at the bank holiday premium.
For example: if a colleague was to work from 10pm on 24thDecember, until 6am on 25th December, the first two hours of that shift would not be paid at the bank holiday premium (where a colleague works on both days, -the night going into and night coming out of a bank holiday, they would see no difference in the bank holiday premium they receive).
In terms of booking the night off and which day will be classed as the bank holiday: For those colleagues on the 'Work & Pay'payroll system, the night going into the Bank Holiday will be used (for example on Christmas Day, the Saturday night (24thDecember) into the Sunday 25th December will be the night the colleague can book off work using their bank holiday entitlement if they do not wish to come in).
So if you do want it off.. you generally got to book it way early.. or throw a sicky. thats honestly your best bet, either put one in and risk it or pull a sicky and work an extra day beforehand.
Tesco cant make you work on christmas day,regardless ot moving the bank.holiday to a tuesday,in our store they let us do 4-10pm on christmas eve instead,some choose to work over night to save locking shop down,
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 18-02-22, 02:53PM
Any holiday hours not taken would be lost, like it says in policy, its mainly. Up to to the colleague to book and use them all, so if managers aren't happy that's unfortunately going to be a them problem, if you want the time, book it, they'll have to work around it 🤷♂️, should have plenty of notice anyhow with the hours system...
My manager told me that they are getting told off by store managers and regional management if staff don't take their allocated time off now. We have had so many staff on holiday in this month.
Surprised so many people do not take the holidays as soon as most in my place are desperate to take them and a few throw sickness at every opportunity football, warm weather the list is endless. The instore management right up to the CEO are clueless trying to enforce contradictory company policy.
Does anyone know when I will start accruing holiday?
I started on 18/03/2022 and I'm contracted to 15 hours a week, night shift, Friday and Saturday.
Quote from: mrpooie on 07-03-22, 10:44AM
And just one last thing, do tesco recognise the substitute bank holidays at Christmas and New year?
I though officially there had to be a store decision made and it could be either. although I personally think the night before is better we always had it the night after
Would someone be able to explain whats happening about the extra bank holiday in June, I have compared my wage slip with last years and have the same amount of hours for holiday entitlement. Thanks
If your contracted to a Friday you request it off and get paid for it doesn't come out of your allowance if your not contracted to a friday you don't get any extra as your already off.
If you want to work the Friday and are contracted you'll get paid your contracted shift then time and a quarter on hours worked on the day.
I believe if you work nights then its the thursday for us
@pavillion the bank holiday at the end of may normally ,has been moved to the thursday jubilee week,and if your contracted friday you can take it off payed,it wont show as extra bhol or come off entitlement,,,so its friday for days and nights I've now been told,
so if you work 3 days part time, 13hrs is holiday worked out by times and not days so is what is the total for year, if 10 years, im not sure. Do you gain extra day or hrs when reached 10 years?
When you actually gain the additional holiday depends on your start date.
if you started 2012
Holiday entitlement goes up on5,10,15 year service still i assume,if you started 2012 it would go up on your 10yr anniversary,obviously in hours and not days now
thankyou @Sherwoodforest so if you work part time 3 days a week and 10 years service, how many hrs holiday, its rather confusing
@jackwards you should be on 6.6 weeks holiday for less than 10 years then 7.2 weeks holiday for 10 years,thats your holiday and bank holiday entitlement together.your personal day is still seperate from your holiday
@Redshoes am I right in thinking for 3 days part time 14 hrs minus break = 7.2 wks holliday
13.25hrs x 7.2 = 95.40 hrs holliday for over 10 years but less than 15 years serice, have I worked this out correct please
@,jackwarda i reckon your not far off with that,but like i said it would be adjusted if your anniversary is after 1st april,
yes, it is in May
Quote from: Jackwarda on 23-05-22, 05:20PM
@Redshoes am I right in thinking for 3 days part time 14 hrs minus break = 7.2 wks holliday
13.25hrs x 7.2 = 95.40 hrs holliday for over 10 years but less than 15 years serice, have I worked this out correct please
You seem to be about right. How many days you work is not much of a factor now as it's all hours. Holidays are your contracted hours and length of service. If you have shifts of different lengths most people are taking the personal day on a long day as that is just a day and not part of the hours. I have had loads of colleagues come back saying they have too much holiday and want me to check but it's because holidays and bank holidays are all together, it seems so much more now.
@Redshoes ok, old style, say 6hrs 5am to 11am. holliday. so whole day no OT. New system, 5 to 11 am, 6hrs holliday and thats it! not whole day!!! does it mean OT say 6pm to 10pm or have I got it wrong and still whole day?
It has worked out that some people end up short of a full shift. So you can be contracted to different lengths of shifts and holidays are worked out on an average working week. You will get the full weeks with full entitlement but when you get 5 weeks and 2 days but you work three days you will get an average so you could end up being 30 mins short of taking a day off. You could also end up with only 30 mins holiday so far short of a working day.
You could use the extra 30 hints holiday if you need to leave early for an appointment. If you are 30 mins short you can take unpaid but if you want to you can see if you can work that time another day so you are not out of pocket, either way this needs to be booked.
I ended up with 30 mins holiday I booked at the end of this year and last. I don't write the algorithms and I won't even pretend to be a maths genius. I can't give you the exact answer for you but the total is available to see on oracle.
Your allowance is calculated in hours and depends on the number of hours you are contracted to work in a week – so, if you are entitled to six weeks' holiday, this is multiplied by your weekly contracted hours, giving you your total holiday hours for the year.
When you take a day's holiday it is for the number of hours that you happen to be scheduled on that particular day.
Your holiday entitlement is 'earned' evenly over the year.
If you change the number of contracted hours you work per week during the holiday year, we calculate the holiday you're entitled to before and after the change, and then add them together to give you your total holiday allowance for the year.
Number of annual hours holiday you originally received divided by 365 days (366 in a leap year), multiplied by the number of calendar days since 1st April and up to the date of change.
PLUS
Number of new hours holiday you will receive divided by 365 days (366 in a leap year), multiplied by the number of calendar days from the date of change until 31st March.
This number is then rounded up to the nearest quarter of an hour.
my holidays are 42 hours - which works out as 6 days (why did they change it from days to hours, its annoying and silly)
but i always used to get 7 days? do we still get personal days or do they not get counted on the payslips now? or have personal days gone?
I was told the personal day is not on the payslip so is extra to those hours
Change holiday from days to hours make it more fair financially wise. Someone who got 4 days holiday in 2 shift of 4 hours and another 2 on 7.5 and take holiday more on 7.5 hrs shift will be better off, the opposite will be worse off.
But talking about fairness, it is not what tesco known for. I guess they already have data with staff work and holiday patern that this way will cut more cost.
We just need to remember, that we got paid more than £ 9.55 after we add the average holiday ( or count it annually ) how much are depends on our entitlement.
Thats why they prefer staff have short contract and take more overtime because the extra payment from holiday entitlement are gone this way.
Staff who got contracted 2 days and 2 days overtime every week will lost half of their total holiday entitlement, and that can be 3.3 weeks(avg), thats about 13 days, and if it is 7.5 hrs shift, and that's about £ 930-ish a year, from just one staff.
Who knows, one day they will change about sickness policy, to average cost down people who gone off sick long enough.
Can someone confirm if your personal day is not part of your holiday hours on the work and pay system. Meaning you have to specify on your holiday form that you want to use your personal day or is it all included on the work and pay system?
Personal day is separate, not part of the holiday hours on W&P
Thanks, I was wondering that as it says I have 14 hours left for rest of the year (I only get 42 hours due to my contract being only 7 hours week) - and I wondered why personal day had gone thinking I was missing a whole day off.
One question. I'm due to work 2nd January which my store is closed, will this just be an extra day off? or will that use up one of my holidays? my manager printed off my dates so I can confirm they are correct and it listed 2nd Jan as approved day off (even though I didn't book it and when I checked it's because the store is closed - its the first time I've worked on a day when its closed/no workers so do they auto take that out of holiday or am I lucky this year with an extra day off like many other colleagues have managed some Sundays last year?
2nd Jan is a Scottish day and most put through as a personal day. This is not set in stone however and as your personal day is just a day most are booking on a long shift.
I'm in North West England. Just our store doesn't trade on that day.
If the store is closed, as per general policy regarding holidays /not just tesco), you can be forced to take it as holiday, think also option of unpaid too?
But if you've run out of holidays it'll be unpaid 🤷�♂️