I saw this statement on the Our Tesco website which is dated yesterday, (3rd november 2020)
"As a business we have taken the decision to ask all CEV colleagues and Clinically Vulnerable (CV) colleagues who have been deemed higher risk by Occupational health â€" including those living in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales â€" to not come to work from 5 November to 2 December 2020. These colleagues will be paid and we will review the situation throughout November in advance of 2 December"
Now.. heres the bit im confused
"all CEV colleagues and Clinically Vulnerable (CV) colleagues who have been deemed higher risk by Occupational health" is in the paragraph but the headline is:
"Updated guidance for Clinically Extremely Vulnerable colleagues"
Occupation Health but me category B due to my health, saying im at risk of covid and tesco has to ensure changes are made to make the job safer, one my terms is i must have a face mask on at all times even in staff areas (except eating of course) and not to stock if its too busy on the shop floor, but at my own discretion etc.
The headline/title suggest only group C in the "clinically extremely vulerable" is to stay off. but the paragrah right below says " AND Clinically Vulnerable"
so that suggests group B and C?
Personally i dont want to stay off, i live alone with no family nearby at all, and already only work part time due to my health issues.. however if its unsafe for me as deemed by the health experts, then i will of course stay off if i have to (we get paid anyway) but im hoping the "terms of occupational health report" can just "re-apply" - for me it means less stocking, more back room stuff and tills instead as its more screened from the customers.
does anyone know/have a clear idea? As nobody at work seems to know..
its a pain as i only asked monday for some overtime shifts.. now im unsure if i can do any of them or not starting tomorrow if we have to shield.
I'm in same situation. You have to be on list, I'm not on list.
I wear a mask it protects others, many customers are not protecting me.
Hi, I'm in group B. But not on the managers list. So I'm very careful
It’s all CEV colleague that are off so off you had a shielding letter your off, if you were in the clinically vulnerable group that were due to return in June and had an occupational heath referral that deemed you cat C you were then classified by Tesco as Higher risk and told to stay off until August.
Hi I shielded until 1st Aug
My store are not acknowledging me
How do i change
I wish to shield
You'd have to get in touch with Occupational Health. If you've already been classified, though unless your circumstances have changed it's unlikely they'll reclassify you in time for this lockdown.
Quote from: miriam on 05-11-20, 10:31AM
Hi I shielded until 1st Aug
My store are not acknowledging me
How do i change
I wish to shield
If you were shielding you were CEV with a letter from the nhs/government that you gave to Tesco? Then you should be off this time. Read the COVID-19 Q&A on colleague help
Quote from: miriam on 05-11-20, 10:31AM
Hi I shielded until 1st Aug
My store are not acknowledging me
How do i change
I wish to shield
If I am correct from last time You did not have a shielding letter ,
And you was not classed as CEV ,
If you was on the Government list from last time You should have got a E mail or a letter like the rest have ,
All it takes is for you to show your Letter that says Shielding from last time saying CEV class if you say you have it , or the letter or E mail from this time showing the same this time ,
I had a shielding letter just dated 27th April which was later than others
Then second was dated to take me until 1st aug
Thanku everyone
My store don't have correct information as usual
Quote from: miriam on 06-11-20, 06:58AM
I had a shielding letter just dated 27th April which was later than others
Then second was dated to take me until 1st aug
Miriam, I seem to remember you made this sound quite complicated in April/May and were very vague whether you held a valid 'shielding letter' or not. You asked the same questions over and over. This time is really is quite simple. Here's what you need to do:
IF you have a letter, telling you that you must stay home and shield, then photocopy that letter, give to your manager and stay at home. You will be paid by Tesco.
IF you don't have a letter telling you to shield BUT you did have an Occupational Health review in June/June and the outcome of that review was that you are graded Category C....then give a copy of that review to your manager (if they don't already have one). You should then stay home and you will be paid by Tesco.
IF you don't have a letter explicitly telling you to 'remain at home and shield' and you haven't undergone an Occupational Health Review that graded you as a Category C, then you should return to work and discuss your concerns with your manager. He or she should then discuss with you those options but it's unlikely to include the option of staying at home on full pay (unless you can take holiday).
You are right it's confusing made confusing by the fact I'm asthmatic who had a virus then chest infection
I had letters to shield from 27th April til 1st of Aug
Now I've an email from tesco to shield
In store they say I'm not on the list
So where is it going wrong
OH meeting took place after My second shielding letter arrived which should never have taken place as my second letter super exceeds OH guidelines by my gp
Why is my store getting it wrong or im not being acknowledged as being an asthmatic
If everyone wore masks or kept 2metres apart
I work for a district Council and it is only clinically extremely vulnerable residents that are receiving help with food deliveries etc.
This group will receive a government letter in the next few days or so. If memory serves me right it is only about 3% of the shielding cases from the original lockdown figures that are included this time round.
I don't know if this helps or not.
It's a mess to be honest, because I had a OH report and it came back as,catergory A I'm free to work yet people who didn't take the OH report with the same underlying health conditions as me have been sent home for a month, clueless!
Could it be that they have a letter from the Gov to stay home ? and you do not , its not all about you being in the A class if you feel you should be in the C class then contact your doctor or if you have the Gove letter saying you was to be in ECV class from the last time then that covers you show that and stay home , other wise don't assume conditions other's have or not since some have other health problems on top of what you have which could put them in a higher group ,,
Quote from: honeybunch on 06-11-20, 07:02PM
I work for a district Council and it is only clinically extremely vulnerable residents that are receiving help with food deliveries etc.
This group will receive a government letter in the next few days or so. If memory serves me right it is only about 3% of the shielding cases from the original lockdown figures that are included this time round.
I don't know if this helps or not.
In case someone needs this service in most cases you will get a call or you will be on the list from last time , Other wise phone the help line and get your name on it , last time we had someone turn up with a few box's with food and other things , mu wife very politely said she did not need it and to take us of the list , we also got someone contact us to do our shopping which we said no to as well since we have friends and family that could do it , but if you need help they ask them , you will find some great people around to help you ,,
Quote from: notsofunny on 06-11-20, 07:24PM
Could it be that they have a letter from the Gov to stay home ? and you do not , its not all about you being in the A class if you feel you should be in the C class then contact your doctor or if you have the Gove letter saying you was to be in ECV class from the last time then that covers you show that and stay home , other wise don't assume conditions other's have or not since some have other health problems on top of what you have which could put them in a higher group ,,
They have no government letter I know them personally, ite just a mess because last time around they told everyone who had underlying health conditions to go home as they weren't doctors and couldn't risk it but as some haven't been in touch with OH they are being given a month off, one guy got a call asking if his copd was chronic 😂😂 it's the first word in copd 😂😂 all joking apart this ineptitude could end up with serious consequences!
Don’t know if this has been asked. With colleagues being advised to shield again with company sick pay or if ran out SSP and Tesco topping up, I presume this will affect the sick pay allowance in the future if colleague is to take sick??
Quote from: Zx81 on 06-11-20, 08:58PM
Quote from: notsofunny on 06-11-20, 07:24PM
Could it be that they have a letter from the Gov to stay home ? and you do not , its not all about you being in the A class if you feel you should be in the C class then contact your doctor or if you have the Gove letter saying you was to be in ECV class from the last time then that covers you show that and stay home , other wise don't assume conditions other's have or not since some have other health problems on top of what you have which could put them in a higher group ,,
They have no government letter I know them personally, ite just a mess because last time around they told everyone who had underlying health conditions to go home as they weren't doctors and couldn't risk it but as some haven't been in touch with OH they are being given a month off, one guy got a call asking if his copd was chronic 😂😂 it's the first word in copd 😂😂 all joking apart this ineptitude could end up with serious consequences!
Just to add to the above I signed a disclaimer last time around and worked but I think it's a very risky thing to distinguish between underlying conditions and it may come back to haunt them.
Quote from: T69 on 06-11-20, 09:10PM
Don’t know if this has been asked. With colleagues being advised to shield again with company sick pay or if ran out SSP and Tesco topping up, I presume this will affect the sick pay allowance in the future if colleague is to take sick??
Sadly yes it seems it will , But then no one will give the correct answer to what you asked as to a direct policy link , but since the system will log you as sick then you will use up your sick allowance as you will part of your holidays they will be deducting ,
wonder also what they have said about holidays booked ? someone asked me and I don't know if they stand like last time or they will allow you to cancel them ,,
would be good to hear from someone that inputs wages as to how they are going to code it ,,, anyone know ?
Quote from: Zx81 on 06-11-20, 08:58PM
Quote from: notsofunny on 06-11-20, 07:24PM
Could it be that they have a letter from the Gov to stay home ? and you do not , its not all about you being in the A class if you feel you should be in the C class then contact your doctor or if you have the Gove letter saying you was to be in ECV class from the last time then that covers you show that and stay home , other wise don't assume conditions other's have or not since some have other health problems on top of what you have which could put them in a higher group ,,
They have no government letter I know them personally, ite just a mess because last time around they told everyone who had underlying health conditions to go home as they weren't doctors and couldn't risk it but as some haven't been in touch with OH they are being given a month off, one guy got a call asking if his copd was chronic 😂😂 it's the first word in copd 😂😂 all joking apart this ineptitude could end up with serious consequences!
Last time around no one understood what was what and tesco just told people to stay at home or people decided them selfs that they fell in that group , I have heard that talked to at least 9 staff that had pay stopped last time around , this time if they have told anyone to stay home with out a letter the manager is just incompetent , also unlike the last time on return everyone will be asked for the letter so thats just a heads up in case anyone is thinking about pulling a fast one ,,,
Quote from: miriam on 05-11-20, 08:50AM
I'm in same situation. You have to be on list, I'm not on list.
I wear a mask it protects others, many customers are not protecting me.
The confusing thing is I'm on the list as category B, but even my mangers don't know if category B is included in the shielding themselves or not, so they said until head office clarifies it, I'm to keep coming in but "be extra careful".
Quote from: notsofunny on 06-11-20, 09:59PM
Quote from: Zx81 on 06-11-20, 08:58PM
Quote from: notsofunny on 06-11-20, 07:24PM
Could it be that they have a letter from the Gov to stay home ? and you do not , its not all about you being in the A class if you feel you should be in the C class then contact your doctor or if you have the Gove letter saying you was to be in ECV class from the last time then that covers you show that and stay home , other wise don't assume conditions other's have or not since some have other health problems on top of what you have which could put them in a higher group ,,
They have no government letter I know them personally, ite just a mess because last time around they told everyone who had underlying health conditions to go home as they weren't doctors and couldn't risk it but as some haven't been in touch with OH they are being given a month off, one guy got a call asking if his copd was chronic 😂😂 it's the first word in copd 😂😂 all joking apart this ineptitude could end up with serious consequences!
Last time around no one understood what was what and tesco just told people to stay at home or people decided them selfs that they fell in that group , I have heard that talked to at least 9 staff that had pay stopped last time around , this time if they have told anyone to stay home with out a letter the manager is just incompetent , also unlike the last time on return everyone will be asked for the letter so thats just a heads up in case anyone is thinking about pulling a fast one ,,,
I dont think people decided for themselves, we fill in health questionnaires every year and management cross referenced them and sent people home, also I think they probably still dont know what effect catching covid19 with a catergory a underlying illness will do to someone but I suspect the legal team knows what's what now when it comes to any potential claim, wealth before health!
I was off last time but as I am only clinically vulnerable I don’t qualify to be off this time around I am pretty worried to still be at work and was curious if people in my situation are entitled to unpaid leave??
Yes you can. You can take a lifestyle break or use up holidays if you have them.
Quote from: T69 on 06-11-20, 09:10PM
Don’t know if this has been asked. With colleagues being advised to shield again with company sick pay or if ran out SSP and Tesco topping up, I presume this will affect the sick pay allowance in the future if colleague is to take sick??
Yes it will, you have limited amount of sick pay and there is no way round this. If you use it all up in these four weeks off your money will be topped up. It resets on your annual start date so next lot of paid sick will depend on this.
Last time around this did not happen. It did not effect your sick pay allowance.
Lots of posts about different people being classed at different levels of vulnerability. We are however all different so it will be individually assessed. I have two friends with asthma, one is really bad but she is in work. The other is off even though her asthma is mild but she also is autoimmune. We are not doctors, it's not up to us to judge. You may have worked with someone for a very long time but this does not give you inside knowledge to their medical history. They may have chosen not to talk about it and they may have gone so far as to hide it. That is up to them, they don't have to tell you. They should inform work but some people don't. It's a very personal thing and should be treated as such.
In my store(Scotland) all shielding staff told to come back
Only the few who got letters and not all the ones last lockdown are to be shielded this time round
Quote from: dotnochance on 07-11-20, 09:51AM
In my store(Scotland) all shielding staff told to come back
It’s states in updated policy that those who were told to shield in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland can either come back to work if they want or stay off as communicated in first message
Quote from: dotnochance on 07-11-20, 09:51AM
In my store(Scotland) all shielding staff told to come back
QuoteFollowing our message yesterday on guidance for Clinically Extremely Vulnerable (CEV) and high risk Clinically Vulnerable (CV) colleagues, we have listened to feedback from some of these colleagues who wish to carry on working.
We recognise that government guidance differs depending on which nation of the UK you live in. Therefore effective immediately, we are updating our policy to say that if you are a CEV or high risk CV colleague who lives and works in a devolved nation, i.e. Wales, Northern Ireland or Scotland, then you have the option to choose whether to stay at home on contractual pay from 5 November until 2 December, or come to work if that is your preference. This will remain the case as long as the local government advice for your nation or region continues to be that CEV people should not attend work if they cannot work from home.
For our high risk CV and CEV colleagues in England, we have heard their views and are currently working on a solution to see if there is a way of enabling them to ask to carry on working based on medical advice from our Occupational Health provider. However for the time being they must follow the guidance set out yesterday and should not attend work if they cannot work from home from 5 November till 2 December, until advised otherwise.
If you are in a devolved nation, please use this information to update colleagues affected by this policy whilst reiterating that we are fully committed to paying them to remain at home, unless they themselves prefer to attend work. For affected colleagues in England who have approached you to ask if they can continue working, please advise them that they must stay at home until 2 December until advised otherwise.
There is no change for high risk pregnant colleagues who will continue to be paid to stay at home irrespective of which part of the UK they work in.
The updated policy documents and Q&A will be available on Colleague Help tomorrow (6 November). If you have any questions please speak to your People Partner.
Quote from: person7 on 06-11-20, 10:41PM
Quote from: miriam on 05-11-20, 08:50AM
I'm in same situation. You have to be on list, I'm not on list.
I wear a mask it protects others, many customers are not protecting me.
The confusing thing is I'm on the list as category B, but even my mangers don't know if category B is included in the shielding themselves or not, so they said until head office clarifies it, I'm to keep coming in but "be extra careful".
Occupational Health Categories A and B are not on 'the list'. Only Category C.
Yeah, staff where told to come come nothing about it’s your choice
For our high risk CV and CEV colleagues in England, we have heard their views and are currently working on a solution to see if there is a way of enabling them to ask to carry on working based on medical advice from our Occupational Health provider. However for the time being they must follow the guidance set out yesterday and should not attend work if they cannot work from home from 5 November till 2 December, until advised otherwise.
So Tesco are going to take it on them self's to decide or should I say to over ride what Medical doctors have said .. And if so who is to say that Managers will not put pressure on those staff in England and in future other parts of the union that don't want to come back to work ?
Also seems that they are more than ready to hear what members say when it benefits Tesco yet hear nothing when it is of benefits to Members ,,,,
Well it's all a bit silly really , if you're in Wales or northern Ireland and are CEV you will already have worked through most of your fire break/circuit break and the weeks leading up to those when infection rates were much much higher than they are now , You now have the option to stay home but can go to work even though infection rates have come down but are still much higher than they are in England . In England the CEV must not go to work .
Can't work out if Tesco dont give a s*** about staff outside of England or if they're just trying to buddy up with Bojo .
Does anyone know if staff in the republic of Ireland are being made to go off to cocoon as it's called there as they are half way through a 6 week lockdown .
Welshie :thumbup:
how did Wales word the Lockdown ? Did they ask those that are CEV to stay at home ? I would ask the same for those in Scotland ,Northern Ireland ,and the Republic the same thing , Since if they did ask those that are CEV to lockdown and stay at home then how did Teso pay them ? or not ,
@notsofunny , I dont know about the republic but the devolved nations just told the CEV to be extra careful . to be honest I have not seen anywhere and am happy to be proved wrong where the government hand told the CEV in England to shield, the press conference I saw told them to work from home where they could and restrict social contact . I do know of people that have had emails from PHE but they are mostly cancer patients
Edit ### it does say that if you cant work from home you should not go to work . It's the rest of the shielding advice that is less restrictive .
My store is such a f****ng joke, was talking to a member of my dept and he got a text, i said to him better watch yourself a manager will be on your arse, and he told me its fine, that's his contact tracing text to tell him to be off, apparently he got tested a few days ago but managers told him to come in as he hasn't tested positive yet. f****ng idiots the lot of them.
oh yeah and another bunch off staff are off because a bunch of them went to a p**s up on xmas day But being a vulnerable but not extremely vulnerable ill have to come into work and mixx with these idiots
Quote from: Welshie on 08-11-20, 12:10AM
Can't work out if Tesco dont give a s*** about staff outside of England or if they're just trying to buddy up with Bojo .
Tesco has always only ever cared about productivity from the bottom line and their profit statements, they're trying to be clever by avoiding a PR disaster by technically "following government guidelines" they think by taking a more lax approach to the virus, they'll have greater redundancy in the event staff decide to self isolate, it's been a race to the bottom for years and Tesco seems to create a new low every year. The obvious thing to do would have been to take a blanket approach regardless of country, but no, that would impact Tescos bottom line.
As you have left the company a long time ago, well before covid, you are only posting on your old experience in small format and others experience in large format and covid.
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Just seen this message go out from Tesco
“ All Clinically Extremely Vulnerable (CEV) and high risk Clinically Vulnerable (CV) colleagues in all parts of the UK should now remain at home and return to shielding.â€
What the difference between those 2 groups what falls under (cv)
In tesco terms , the people that were told to remain shielding throughout July by the occupational health team .
Yeah but my point is those 2 phrases are exactly the same, the only people recommend to stay shielding where the (cev)people what constitutes high risk (cv)
Occupational Health decided if you were classed as High Risk CV.
Otherwise you had the Shielding letter (CEV) or you didn’t and then classed as CV.
Basically everyone who was off from March had the option to go through OH in June if they didn’t get a shielding letter.
OH then decided if you were classed as High Risk CV for Tesco purposes.
You would have been told if you were and stayed off till August and again in November.
yeah i didnt go for occupational health as manager said it was a waste of time, i forgot the golden rule, never listen to managers
You still can, it's a really fast turnaround. If they class you as Category A or B you shield. If you are C and dont want to work you can request to be unpaid or use holidays.
It was the other way round . Cat C is high risk and should shield . A & B still have to work. I was given cat B by oh last year
how do u get (OH) last thhing i read about it a few months ago said they weren't doing it anymore?
They have changed company as old one was just so slow. You need to go through a manager, not all can do. There tends to be one or two who can do this. You can request at any point but it can't be done without your permission. Slowest turnaround I have seen with this is two weeks but we are now in unpresidentated times. The quality of reports is good too. If your manager can't do the referral they can't automatically see the report. It is the person who refers that can. You need to give permission on who can see it and if you need to you can restrict who can't.
You don't need to give written permission, verbal is enough so if you are not in work you can ring to request. You do need to provide an email address and a phone number. The email is so they can send you the report. The phone number is so they can ring you to hold the actual consultation.
I am cat C and was told at the end of the first lockdown I could go on a lifestyle break anyone else get offered this?
I saw this
“COVID-19 Occupational Health Referral
The COVID-19 Occupational Health Process is now CLOSED. Should you need to obtain advice on a colleague’s fitness to attend work, you should complete the business as usual occupational health referral process, choosing the COVID-19 optionâ€
Under colleague help
Quote from: Emma_brown8484 on 06-01-21, 08:38AM
I am cat C and was told at the end of the first lockdown I could go on a lifestyle break anyone else get offered this?
Think this was standard policy for all vulnerable colleagues who didn't feel safe returning to work after shield finished.
Are we insured to work if we are cv ???
As government guidelines are only for CEV to shield then yes , theres no reason why not . I think it's more a case that Tesco went over and above with who they needed to send home first time round not that they're not protecting cv this time .
Lockdown 3:
"All Clinically Extremely Vulnerable (CEV) and high risk Clinically Vulnerable (CV) colleagues in all parts of the UK should now remain at home and return to shielding."
this sentence came in an email, again its unclear, who is "high risk clinically vulnerable" as in march my dr said due to my asthma i should shield, she wrote a letter and tesco accepted it means im high risk and to stay off.
personally i dont want to stay off as i get depressed at home, but then i also dont want to be at increased risk of covid as people no longer social distance and shop floor has been VERY busy since lockdown announcement.
i was placed in B category on the health assessment meaning i was ok to go back to work after march lockdown but must NOT go on the shop floor at all until after a certain time when the shop is quieter. is this back in place? nobody at work seems to know and the day i work, is the day the lady who does the "list" is not in. (not sure what position is called but all i know is person Y is the one who got the paperwork. so i cant ask her for advice as shes never in when im in, and nobody is passing on the message for her to ring me to discuss it and i dont have her number)
Sorry for the post in here. I cant remember how to start a new topic. Just wanted to know if anyone heard about any redundancy coming April or after. Its gone quite on that front.
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Yes, I’ve heard, Team Manager cull, Store Managers had there yearly structure document for their individual stores (I’ve seen it for my store) and was reviewed with there SDs before Xmas. As an example my store dropped from 3 Lead Managers to 1 Lead Manager and Fresh Manager(s) dropped to 1, losing Produce Manager.
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Sorry just seen the post I'll set up my own post.