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Pay review 2023

Started by person7, 05-02-23, 02:55PM

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JJH

Quote from: SAMCRO on 20-02-24, 05:26PMThere are a lot of team managers who could be replaced in an hour, never mind 3months. Bonus scheme is also a joke. Never mind the peasant skivvies GAs who are doing all the work. Oh yes I forgot - USDAW apparently conducted some kind of vote and GA's were in favour of sacrificing the bonus scheme for a better hourly rate. Which we are still waiting for.
You seem very angry, are you ok?

You say all the work? Which work is that? The work you're paid to do or are you taking on some of your manager's work too?

Without wishing to sound arrogant I've done a good job this year and look forward to being rewarded as such.

jgerry

Quote from: JJH on 20-02-24, 06:07PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 20-02-24, 05:26PMThere are a lot of team managers who could be replaced in an hour, never mind 3months. Bonus scheme is also a joke. Never mind the peasant skivvies GAs who are doing all the work. Oh yes I forgot - USDAW apparently conducted some kind of vote and GA's were in favour of sacrificing the bonus scheme for a better hourly rate. Which we are still waiting for.
You seem very angry, are you ok?

You say all the work? Which work is that? The work you're paid to do or are you taking on some of your manager's work too?

Without wishing to sound arrogant I've done a good job this year and look forward to being rewarded as such.
are you saying you're the only one that deserves the reward? You certainly are coming across arrogant

JJH

Quote from: jgerry on 20-02-24, 06:22PM
Quote from: JJH on 20-02-24, 06:07PM
Quote from: SAMCRO on 20-02-24, 05:26PMThere are a lot of team managers who could be replaced in an hour, never mind 3months. Bonus scheme is also a joke. Never mind the peasant skivvies GAs who are doing all the work. Oh yes I forgot - USDAW apparently conducted some kind of vote and GA's were in favour of sacrificing the bonus scheme for a better hourly rate. Which we are still waiting for.
You seem very angry, are you ok?

You say all the work? Which work is that? The work you're paid to do or are you taking on some of your manager's work too?

Without wishing to sound arrogant I've done a good job this year and look forward to being rewarded as such.
are you saying you're the only one that deserves the reward? You certainly are coming across arrogant
How on earth have you come to that conclusion from what I said?  :D

rupert7

at the end of the day we have all been screwed over by tesco and  USDAW may be we need to send a claer to them both enough is enough?

MerchMan007

Quote from: rupert7 on 20-02-24, 08:02PMat the end of the day we have all been screwed over by tesco and  USDAW may be we need to send a claer to them both enough is enough?
Whatever a "claer" is , and how do you propose it happens ?

Beanny


Voulezvous

If the managers are getting a bonus and the night managers are getting an increase to their night premium then surely its only fair general assistants get the same

madness

Quote from: Voulezvous on 20-02-24, 10:35PMIf the managers are getting a bonus and the night managers are getting an increase to their night premium then surely its only fair general assistants get the same
And we have come full circle.
Managers for years could at best get 3% pay increase for an exceed or blue or whatever tesco keep renaming it. but usually impossible and you maybe got  met or green so 2%.
meanwhile GA's got 4,5,6% or more. to the point the base level managers pay was less than a GA whose only responsibilty is to turn up and do something or not steal from the till. Every manager would choose to give up that bonus if they could have had 4 5 6 % jsut for turning up.

oldfashionedplayer

Give it time, you'll probably lose the bonus, be dropped down to like team support style with less pay but same job and then given that "extra pay" that we all get where we don't meet Minimum Wage the following year, and its often split over 2 segments whilst also losing a prime benefit...

JJH

Quote from: Voulezvous on 20-02-24, 10:35PMIf the managers are getting a bonus and the night managers are getting an increase to their night premium then surely its only fair general assistants get the same
Is your pay review performance based?

Poka

Has anyone been told what the new night premium figure is going to be for night managers?

chris9997

Quote from: madness on 21-02-24, 12:05AM
Quote from: Voulezvous on 20-02-24, 10:35PMIf the managers are getting a bonus and the night managers are getting an increase to their night premium then surely its only fair general assistants get the same
And we have come full circle.
Managers for years could at best get 3% pay increase for an exceed or blue or whatever tesco keep renaming it. but usually impossible and you maybe got  met or green so 2%.
meanwhile GA's got 4,5,6% or more. to the point the base level managers pay was less than a GA whose only responsibilty is to turn up and do something or not steal from the till. Every manager would choose to give up that bonus if they could have had 4 5 6 % jsut for turning up.
I do strongly feel your reply suggests you see your team
(Assuming your a manager by your reply) as lazy thieves who dont deserve a proper wage, all the increases to ga wages have been on the shirt tails of the minimum wage and there are/ have been managers who have stolen from Tesco or been dishonest.

Smiley1327

Quote from: Poka on 21-02-24, 04:21AMHas anyone been told what the new night premium figure is going to be for night managers?
£1000 extra a year, so be £5000 night premium per year from May.

lfcni1986

Quote from: madness on 21-02-24, 12:05AM
Quote from: Voulezvous on 20-02-24, 10:35PMIf the managers are getting a bonus and the night managers are getting an increase to their night premium then surely its only fair general assistants get the same
And we have come full circle.
Managers for years could at best get 3% pay increase for an exceed or blue or whatever tesco keep renaming it. but usually impossible and you maybe got  met or green so 2%.
meanwhile GA's got 4,5,6% or more. to the point the base level managers pay was less than a GA whose only responsibilty is to turn up and do something or not steal from the till. Every manager would choose to give up that bonus if they could have had 4 5 6 % jsut for turning up.
Very arragont attitude to have. I can honestly say I have a great team, who would regularly pull me out of holes regarding sick calls etc and can be trusted to complete any next steps, look after the department in my absence.

barafear

Quote from: JJH on 21-02-24, 12:45AM
Quote from: Voulezvous on 20-02-24, 10:35PMIf the managers are getting a bonus and the night managers are getting an increase to their night premium then surely its only fair general assistants get the same
Is your pay review performance based?
Assuming the above question relates to "all colleagues/GAs/Grade B/C staff" - then the answer would be that the only "performance being reviewed" would be the company's ability to be legal and pay staff the NLW?

Of course, just because non-management staff do not get annual performance reviews which then link to part/all of their salary/bonus does not mean that their performance is not reviewed (or certainly should be by their managers) by way of Let's Talks/other disciplinary methods/training/communication about what's expected or how to correct any errors made/encouragement (to work more efficiently/accurately) - the only main difference as you rightly imply is that "poor performance" would have no detrimental effect on a GA's pay - but if it did, then the company would be breaking the law by paying less than NLW.

The way I see it - in theory a manager's base salary should be a competitive package for which any manager is happy to apply/join - any PRP element in terms of what pay rise or bonus their performance translates into would simply be "extra" - of course, if a manager were to be so poor that they got no pay rise or bonus based on their performance, then surely they wouldn't be remaining in their position for long anyway?

JJH

Quote from: barafear on 21-02-24, 11:37AM
Quote from: JJH on 21-02-24, 12:45AM
Quote from: Voulezvous on 20-02-24, 10:35PMIf the managers are getting a bonus and the night managers are getting an increase to their night premium then surely its only fair general assistants get the same
Is your pay review performance based?
The way I see it - in theory a manager's base salary should be a competitive package for which any manager is happy to apply/join - any PRP element in terms of what pay rise or bonus their performance translates into would simply be "extra" - of course, if a manager were to be so poor that they got no pay rise or bonus based on their performance, then surely they wouldn't be remaining in their position for long anyway?
Completely agree with this, I still believe that a lot of manager's salaries are a tad off being competitive

filling-machine

Quote from: Poka on 21-02-24, 04:21AMHas anyone been told what the new night premium figure is going to be for night managers?
Lead Nights increasing by £1280 to £6380, Team managers increasing by £1000. Decent at first glance, but it's the first time it's changed in 15 years. If premiums matched inflation then Lead Manager premium would be £7745........

rupert7

can any one answer this question how many stores still have a night team, and do they lack a full team each night, its common knowledge that tesco struggle to fill night shift vacancy because It's true that Tesco, a major supermarket chain, has faced challenges in filling night shift vacancies. One contributing factor is the reduction in night premiums, which has made night shift jobs less appealing to potential employees. These premiums used to provide additional compensation for working during nighttime hours, but their reduction has impacted the attractiveness of night shifts. some nights we have less staff due to sick or hoildays, some times we are all over the store filling the aisles that know one is on, after doing our own aisle.? the way i see it is tesco has 2  option about night teams get rid of nights and go over to day or twillights fills, but you need the full staff teams to do it, but if you are doing a fill you  could be called away to do some thing eles,then you need the deliverys to be on schedule and on time, but its not alawys the case. or make nights more appealing to  potential employees.

oldfashionedplayer

Quote from: filling-machine on 21-02-24, 12:48PM
Quote from: Poka on 21-02-24, 04:21AMHas anyone been told what the new night premium figure is going to be for night managers?
Lead Nights increasing by £1280 to £6380, Team managers increasing by £1000. Decent at first glance, but it's the first time it's changed in 15 years. If premiums matched inflation then Lead Manager premium would be £7745........
I mean... If they work 5 days a week, that's still £4.90 a day extra? Whether that's just the premium and not their salary increase too? That's by far better than what a GA has received over the years... Increases of what £0.03p? Or something per hour? So vastly superior...

As to the one about nights, ours still has a night shift, it's always over hours though, 250 hours over on average, Christmas time usually 400 hours over on average, even though we've had about 11 people leave and not been replaced... We used to have a team of around 40 total a few years back, now we are at 26/28 I believe? Average of about 15 or so on a shift, give or take a few?

The you've ofcourse got the holidays and such and then this period where theres no OT so there's less in too...

Hammer10

Night pay has always been poor just over 10 pounds a night to give up sleep and have poor health is not really worth it no wonder they struggle to get staff.

spike_pkh

Quote from: rupert7 on 21-02-24, 12:50PMcan any one answer this question how many stores still have a night team, and do they lack a full team each night, its common knowledge that tesco struggle to fill night shift vacancy because It's true that Tesco, a major supermarket chain, has faced challenges in filling night shift vacancies. One contributing factor is the reduction in night premiums, which has made night shift jobs less appealing to potential employees. These premiums used to provide additional compensation for working during nighttime hours, but their reduction has impacted the attractiveness of night shifts. some nights we have less staff due to sick or hoildays, some times we are all over the store filling the aisles that know one is on, after doing our own aisle.? the way i see it is tesco has 2  option about night teams get rid of nights and go over to day or twillights fills, but you need the full staff teams to do it, but if you are doing a fill you  could be called away to do some thing eles,then you need the deliverys to be on schedule and on time, but its not alawys the case. or make nights more appealing to  potential employees.
After doing your own aisle. That right there is the issue. No aisle takes all night, I used to work in a very large extra and outside of seasonal periods there is no reason to be on one aisle all night. Aisles like cereal should take half a night max.

You are right that tesco hasn't made nights appealing to potential employees though so hopefully for the night teams their is an increase in premiums

Johnzo88

How many nightshifts still have lead managers? Did they not get made redundant last year. Our senior did. Our nightshift usually runs between 15- 20 staff when holidays/sickness is taking into account. Although the norm is about 15 most weeknights.

barafear

Whilst browsing on ourtesco - found the location pay rates/details - and I wasn't aware of the location pay for Isle of Man - I'm guessing it's because everyone living there is a tax exile and has pots of money and doesn't need to work for the NLW? Sorry - not meant to be derogatory to people who live there!! Or would staff be recruited from the mainland and the location pay covers the cost of a ferry? I really have zero knowledge of how to get to the IOM. Can anyone enlighten me?

There are 6 location pay bands:

Band E: +93p per hour (Inner London – London Boroughs)
Band D: +73p per hour (Inside M25 excluding London Boroughs)
Band C: +68p per hour (typically M25 outer border)
Band B: +45p per hour (typically stores in the South East)
Band A: no location pay (Rest of the UK)
IOM: +83p per hour (Isle of Man)

Mersey1

Shift leaders are practically managers. Surely they are eligible for the bonus scheme too?!

TheAnonymousWorker

Quote from: Mersey1 on 21-02-24, 09:45PMShift leaders are practically managers. Surely they are eligible for the bonus scheme too?!
No, Shift Leaders are not salaried, just like Tesco Colleagues and Team Supports, so they do not receive a bonus, only Team Managers and above get bonuses.

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