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Staff room hygiene questions

Started by person7, 15-01-23, 11:01AM

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person7

Does anyone else have concerning hygiene issues in the staff room?

I mean most people clean up after themselves but the contracted cleaners are only ones allowed to check and turn on the dishwashers.

And NOT ONCE have THEY EVER used tablets.

Knives forks especially cups and glasses all full of grime.

I've tried to feedback to store manager using the anonymous forum box they do but nothing has been done.

It's got to the point I can't get a drink all day as.. Well the cups and glasses look dirty and smell of rotten egg.. In fact the dishwasher themselves stink of rotten food and rotten eggs.

Anyone else have this issue since staff canteens have closed? And any advice.

Some shifts if I'm alone and caretaker has gone I sneak a 60/70oC wash but there's no tablets anywhere.

Caretakers ALWAYS out "quick 20 minute wash 20oC" with NO dishwasher salt or rinse aid or any dishwashing tablets or liquid (I've seen them set it many times and once asked about tablet and he said "we don't have any and don't need them anyway I never use them at home")


NorthbyNorthwest

Approach any team management doing the cleaners audit on MPro5. They may not know about the issue ( or decide to ignore it? ), but can mark down cleaning manager with photographic evidence. I constantly had issue with hygiene in the staff room and because I kept giving bad scores it got to the point that the cleaning team were all given warnings, and soon afterwards the cleaning manager was sacked.
Of course, the cleaners are not always available, and staff should have access to dishwasher tablets and the ability to use the dishwashers. If everyone took a little responsibility, the staff room ( which should be a nice place to be away from your job ) would be cleaner.

2ndtimeround

The dishwashers can by switched on by anyone and dishwasher tablets should always be used.
If they are not using them then I would suggest actually speaking to your store manager face to face rather than leaving an anonymous note in a forum box.
The dishwashers should also have the filters cleaned after every few washes as they will fill up with bits of food and the mesh will block with grime.
The canteen is everyone's responsibility to maintain clean and hygienically, we are after all Adults that are trained to work with food.

lucgeo

The dishwashers should not be used by anyone, other than those who have been signed off for training to operate them.

Commercial dishwashers should be reaching a temperature of 81C to clean and remove any pathogens.
You should have a health and safety store rep to whom you immediately voice your concerns! If you're a union member you can approach your union rep also!

In the meantime I would suggest you take in your own tableware & cutlery to use, and take them home with you!
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

snufflesthebear

Our store manager took away all cups, mugs and cutlery. A few knives and forks have made their way back into circulation... and people share them.
Most people now bring their own cutlery. It's a nightmare when you forget it though and fancy a free porridge.

FarmerFred

Quote from: lucgeo on 15-01-23, 03:05PMThe dishwashers should not be used by anyone, other than those who have been signed off for training to operate them.

Commercial dishwashers should be reaching a temperature of 81C to clean and remove any pathogens.
You should have a health and safety store rep to whom you immediately voice your concerns! If you're a union member you can approach your union rep also!

In the meantime I would suggest you take in your own tableware & cutlery to use, and take them home with you!
The staff room dishwashers in most places I have seen aren't commercial units - they're domestic types, usually silver coloured Bosch or Hotpoint. The toasters and hot water dispensers are usually commercial units, so aren't we allowed to use those either?  :D

Sherwoodforest

The ones in customer cafe are comercial not the canteen,im gonna ask the mrs to train me up at home before i do dishes or cook toast again,pheww could of been a nasty accident waiting to happen,

NorthbyNorthwest

Lucgeo, I find it difficult to understand how placing a dishwasher tab into a receptacle, closing the door and pressing two buttons ( on/off and wash cycle buttons ) could be a health & safety issue? Surely not cleaning down an area and making it safe and hygienic is more of an issue for yourself and your colleagues?

2ndtimeround

The commercial dishwashers have long since been removed from the staff canteen. The ones in their now are domestic and can be used by anyone.

oldfashionedplayer

Quote from: 2ndtimeround on 15-01-23, 02:49PMThe dishwashers can by switched on by anyone and dishwasher tablets should always be used.
If they are not using them then I would suggest actually speaking to your store manager face to face rather than leaving an anonymous note in a forum box.
The dishwashers should also have the filters cleaned after every few washes as they will fill up with bits of food and the mesh will block with grime.
The canteen is everyone's responsibility to maintain clean and hygienically, we are after all Adults that are trained to work with food.

None of us are technically trained unless you've had deli training 😂, so definitely not something I'm touching anc I've advocated my colleagues the same without proper food and hygiene training courses undertaken given its affecting other people  >:D

lucgeo

Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 15-01-23, 05:11PMThe ones in customer cafe are comercial not the canteen,im gonna ask the mrs to train me up at home before i do dishes or cook toast again,pheww could of been a nasty accident waiting to happen,

Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 15-01-23, 06:38PM
Quote from: 2ndtimeround on 15-01-23, 02:49PMThe dishwashers can by switched on by anyone and dishwasher tablets should always be used.
If they are not using them then I would suggest actually speaking to your store manager face to face rather than leaving an anonymous note in a forum box.
The dishwashers should also have the filters cleaned after every few washes as they will fill up with bits of food and the mesh will block with grime.
The canteen is everyone's responsibility to maintain clean and hygienically, we are after all Adults that are trained to work with food.

None of us are technically trained unless you've had deli training 😂, so definitely not something I'm touching anc I've advocated my colleagues the same without proper food and hygiene training courses undertaken given its affecting other people  >:D


@sherwoodforrest...washing dishes at home does not equate to washing dishes in the rest room!! It should be the same as the customer restaurant rules and guidelines for washing and reaching recommended temperatures after public usage.
Titter and ridicule all you want my friend, but it's not I that is risking my health for inadequate cleansing, nor I that is using equipment I am not authorised to use, by lack of protection and training!
Make note of @oldfashionedplayer's post! It may be petty to you, but I guarantee any damage to company property or accident caused to others from misuse of equipment or lack of training by you, and Tesco will throw you under the bus!!
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

2ndtimeround

There is no special training for using a dishwasher.
But I'm guessing your simply in the habit of finding excuses to dodge doing anything you might classify as work 🤷🏻�♂️

lucgeo

There is in the workplace...check your facts and get back to me!

Don't judge peoples work ethics on what you don't understand :-X  :-X
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

2ndtimeround

Feel free to type Dishwasher into click and learn.

My facts are fine mate.
Industrial equipment requires special training as does any equipment where there is the possibility to cause injury.
I'm not quite sure how you think switching on a dishwasher is likely to cause injury short of someone switching it on for too long so you cant get your cup when you want it. Now wouldn't that be a disaster 🤷🏻�♂️

NorthbyNorthwest

Whilst it's fine for us to fight amongst ourselves here, I'm wondering if anyone has gotten any response from USDAW on this, or have raised the issue with them? Another thought is, the company provides 'food' ( I use the term loosely, a bit of bread, milk and something resembling margarine ), surely there should be some form of food safety aspect somewhere? As I said above, I'm not worried about putting on a dishwasher myself, however this forum has yet again made me think about the bigger picture. Is it yet another 'simplification' of process we've just accepted, and there could actually be deeper ramifications for the company because of the way they operate ( or don't operate ) their staff food provision areas?

2ndtimeround

If your store is only providing bread for toast as food then I'd suggest raising the issue with the store manager. My store offers a range of free options and whilst it's not full meals we can select from Pasta snack type meals, cuppa soups, cereal pots, fruit loaf or crumpets and a few others. These were provided by the company last Autumn and should still be available daily.

Tesc0Wow

Looking after the colleague room does actually come as part of being duty, however it is everyone's responsibility to keep it clean. There's no reason why they don't use dishwasher tablets other than laziness, just need correct type transferring to the cost centre they use I believe. Just bring it up, sure it can be fixed without too much issue.

oldfashionedplayer

Quote from: 2ndtimeround on 15-01-23, 10:03PMFeel free to type Dishwasher into click and learn.

My facts are fine mate.
Industrial equipment requires special training as does any equipment where there is the possibility to cause injury.
I'm not quite sure how you think switching on a dishwasher is likely to cause injury short of someone switching it on for too long so you cant get your cup when you want it. Now wouldn't that be a disaster 🤷🏻�♂️

Just because its not on click to learn doesn't mean it's not something that's needed... As has been mentioned, if you end up contaminating something and then they decide to go after you for it, they'll go for the throat of

 "only trained personnel are supposed to use the equipment, if you wanted the training you should of raised your concerns with management to be able to get them to sign off on it and arrange for it, since you haven't and you've put colleagues, customers and potentially stock you've worked with at risk of contamination, which is a serious matter"

Always think, what would you do if you were a company protecting itself. Cause that's what they are definitely going to do.

Sherwoodforest

I've not been trained to open doors is that om click and learn???

FarmerFred

Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 16-01-23, 01:13AM
Quote from: 2ndtimeround on 15-01-23, 10:03PMFeel free to type Dishwasher into click and learn.

My facts are fine mate.
Industrial equipment requires special training as does any equipment where there is the possibility to cause injury.
I'm not quite sure how you think switching on a dishwasher is likely to cause injury short of someone switching it on for too long so you cant get your cup when you want it. Now wouldn't that be a disaster 🤷🏻�♂️

Just because its not on click to learn doesn't mean it's not something that's needed... As has been mentioned, if you end up contaminating something and then they decide to go after you for it, they'll go for the throat of

 "only trained personnel are supposed to use the equipment, if you wanted the training you should of raised your concerns with management to be able to get them to sign off on it and arrange for it, since you haven't and you've put colleagues, customers and potentially stock you've worked with at risk of contamination, which is a serious matter"

Always think, what would you do if you were a company protecting itself. Cause that's what they are definitely going to do.
By extension that means that we can't use the toaster, microwave, water dispenser, toilet, pens, knives, forks or even tie laces on safety boots because there's been no training on any of those & they all involve "company equipment" - as for the company protecting itself, it's very easy to defend against being thrown under the bus. You simply come back with things like "What controls were in place to prevent unauthorised use of equipment x?", "What measures were in place to prevent person x to feeling the need to operate equipment y?" and in this instance especially "Why was the equipment and area not kept in a sanitary condition despite the issue being repeatedly highlighted?"

dairyfresh

If you don't want to use dishwasher there's always the sink not every store has a dishwasher.

2ndtimeround

Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 16-01-23, 01:13AM
Quote from: 2ndtimeround on 15-01-23, 10:03PMFeel free to type Dishwasher into click and learn.

My facts are fine mate.
Industrial equipment requires special training as does any equipment where there is the possibility to cause injury.
I'm not quite sure how you think switching on a dishwasher is likely to cause injury short of someone switching it on for too long so you cant get your cup when you want it. Now wouldn't that be a disaster 🤷🏻�♂️

Just because its not on click to learn doesn't mean it's not something that's needed... As has been mentioned, if you end up contaminating something and then they decide to go after you for it, they'll go for the throat of

 "only trained personnel are supposed to use the equipment, if you wanted the training you should of raised your concerns with management to be able to get them to sign off on it and arrange for it, since you haven't and you've put colleagues, customers and potentially stock you've worked with at risk of contamination, which is a serious matter"

Always think, what would you do if you were a company protecting itself. Cause that's what they are definitely going to do.

How exactly do you think you are going to contaminate something from pressing to "on" button of a dishwasher. The machine is loaded by the colleagues using the crockery, the dishwasher tablet gets put into a compartment, the door gets closed and the on switch is pressed.
As I said previously, anyone claiming they can't do the dishwasher due to lack of training is simply someone been lazy and looking for excuses to be lazy.
It is the responsibility of every colleague to clean up after themselves.
There is no rocket science to being clean!, unfortunately there are people around that think it's someone else's job to go round cleaning up after them.

Incidentally if it was needed I can assure you it would be on Click and Learn along with all the other training that is required.

Nomad

QuoteAs I said previously, anyone claiming they can't do the dishwasher due to lack of training is simply someone been lazy and looking for excuses to be lazy.

or somebody who has many years of experience of how the company and some of its managers operate when things go belly up.

I have lost count the number of times "who told you you could do that" was been said to me.
Nomad ( Forum Admin )
It's better to be up in arms than down on your knees.

StinkyPoo

I just take in my own cutlery and cup. Safer that way!

lucgeo

"It is the responsibility of every colleague to clean up after themselves"

Is that a Tesco policy, or just you thinking how anyone who doesn't is lazy and not a team player, and everyone should follow you're leading by example attitude 8-)

How do you know if the unknown previous colleague has loaded and turned the dishwasher on to a full cycle using the cleaning tabs, or someone else hasn't just turned up mid cycle and shut it off to get a cup?

The previous canteen staff who used to operate the machinery and worked in the kitchen area were supplied with safety shoes...why do you think that was?? If the door suddenly dropped and fell on your foot, or the scalding water was sprayed all over yourself, or the machine had leaked water all over the floor and you'd slipped on it, what do you think Tesco would say?? 

Have the break times been extended to accommodate this cleaning process, and is this extra few minutes per break, per colleague, paid or remains unpaid?

If you go to use the toilet and somebody has left it badly soiled, do you whip out a pair of marigolds a brush and a bottle of bleach, or do you call a cleaner to see to it,  whilst loudly declaring how LAZY others are and not up to your high standards!

You trivialise rights and procedures colleagues long before you fought for, for the benefit and safety of everyone. The partnership agreements reached have been constantly eroded over the years, mainly by the apathy of colleagues such as yourself. You're every managers dream, flicking your eyes to the ceiling every time someone quotes their rights, as agreed  8-)
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

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