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Holiday days changed to hours

Started by MAZ, 13-01-23, 12:05PM

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gomezz

Quote from: Redshoes on 16-01-23, 08:10AMWhole weeks booked off as holidays is advised to give colleagues a proper break from work. Everybody needs time out.
While there is some merit in that argument that does not automatically mean that the week off *has* to run from Monday through Sunday.
"The progress of the kart is more important than its direction"

oldfashionedplayer

Quote from: londoner83 on 16-01-23, 06:42AMOnce the full role out of schedule to workload is implemented and every colleague can do every job, holiday issues on departments should become less of a issue.

The store has a budget for holiday hours each week and as long as any leave request fits in that budget it shouldn't matter if both Boris and Rupesh are both off on produce. Gladys from tills (who are over hours thar week) will be moved over to cover.

in the training, manager still has to approve it, so they could just be holes and go "we dont want to give it cause we prefer you on there".. so then you've got to go through complaints with it..

 
Quote from: MAZ on 16-01-23, 10:43AMHi everyone thanks for your replies.  As I said I didn't pay much attention at the time. I have only worked a Sunday for quite a few years now. I did not put all my holidays in at the beginning of April last year - they are quite relaxed that way and I had just put three holidays in this month till end of March this year. This is when it caused a problem because I couldn't book it through the app because I didn't have enough for a full shift as my shift pattern is fixed to a contracted 4hrs Sunday. When I spoke to my Manager I was told that I would have to take the balance of my shift unpaid and that's when I was told it works for some and not others.  It will be the bank holiday entitlement as someone as commented. I still think it is unfair for contracted hours to be treated in this way, not all of us do different shifts.

in regards to this, most have been getting their hours rounded up on the old system, if you have on the new system like 2 hours 20 minutes to take on a 4 hour shift, you could either take it as finishing 2 hours 20 minutes earlier, starting later or if the option is there provided by your manager, taking the remaining 1.25 hours as unpaid (0.15 break) which would of made it 1.40..

it wouldn't make sense to come in for like 1 hour 25 minutes for a shift for example, so that would be a good way... you could take it inbetween over like 2 shifts though and have an extended break (again not really something of choice but options)



Redshoes

Quote from: gomezz on 16-01-23, 11:16AM
Quote from: Redshoes on 16-01-23, 08:10AMWhole weeks booked off as holidays is advised to give colleagues a proper break from work. Everybody needs time out.
While there is some merit in that argument that does not automatically mean that the week off *has* to run from Monday through Sunday.

I agree but it depends on the dept. A large dept like checkouts can cope with that. A small dept will find it more difficult. A colleague taking one weeks holiday over two weeks may prevent others being able to get the holiday they want. The most important things to consider are fairness to all and that everybody gets the chance to get a proper break from work.

Checkouts as a dept are very good at getting holiday days in. Next years holiday diary has some weeks that are already full. Last min holiday will depend on how many hours are already booked off for that week. We all have last min things that come up and the general rule is that if not able to get as holiday you can arrange a shift swap. We have a few that do this a lot and they know who to ask, it can be hard sometimes but with a bit of give and take it can be done.

randomworker

Quote from: Redshoes on 16-01-23, 08:10AMWhole weeks booked off as holidays is advised to give colleagues a proper break from work. Everybody needs time out.

Never understood that reasoning and thankfully not enforced by any jobsworth managers in our store

gomezz

#29
Quote from: Redshoes on 17-01-23, 08:21AM
Quote from: gomezz on 16-01-23, 11:16AM
Quote from: Redshoes on 16-01-23, 08:10AMWhole weeks booked off as holidays is advised to give colleagues a proper break from work. Everybody needs time out.
While there is some merit in that argument that does not automatically mean that the week off *has* to run from Monday through Sunday.

I agree but it depends on the dept. A large dept like checkouts can cope with that. A small dept will find it more difficult. A colleague taking one weeks holiday over two weeks may prevent others being able to get the holiday they want
You can use the exact same argument in reverse.  It is unfair to colleagues who want to take long weekends just because other colleagues want to book a "standard week".  Given the various all over the place shift patterns used in this business there is no such thing as a standard week anyway.
"The progress of the kart is more important than its direction"

lucgeo

Isn't this one of the reasons given for having colleagues being allocated to working across the store as and when needed, to cover sickness absence and holidays? Is the holiday % allowance now a store calculation, not a dept %, if holidays are being booked online by colleagues, or has it not fully taken off yet?

The trouble with managers insisting on booking full weeks on a first come first serve basis, without any flexibility, results in colleagues booking the most popular full weeks straight off and then dropping them at a later date.



Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

londoner83

#31
With schedule to workload, holidays will be booked across the entire store up to that weeks budgets. So you could well find your request for a week off on produce is turned down (even though no one else on produce is off) because checkout staff have used the entire holiday budget.

Morale of the story will be to request holidays ASAP when the window opens.

MARYDENE

Hi there has been mention of a holiday diary, where would I find this. I'm currently making blind requests with no idea if the dates are already taken.

lucgeo

Your dept manager team leader should have the holiday diary. If you want to make a request, you can ask for a sit down with your dept manager or whoever allocates the holidays for your dept, and ask to see what dates are available.
You should then hand in a holiday request form for the dates you want to that person, and ask them to sign it. They then have 7 days to get back to you with a nay or yay? If no response in that time then the holiday is yours. Make a dated copy of the request handed in. Do not leave it for their attention, it has to be handed to them personally.
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

Redshoes

Quote from: gomezz on 17-01-23, 09:47AM
Quote from: Redshoes on 17-01-23, 08:21AM
Quote from: gomezz on 16-01-23, 11:16AM
Quote from: Redshoes on 16-01-23, 08:10AMWhole weeks booked off as holidays is advised to give colleagues a proper break from work. Everybody needs time out.
While there is some merit in that argument that does not automatically mean that the week off *has* to run from Monday through Sunday.



I agree but it depends on the dept. A large dept like checkouts can cope with that. A small dept will find it more difficult. A colleague taking one weeks holiday over two weeks may prevent others being able to get the holiday they want
You can use the exact same argument in reverse.  It is unfair to colleagues who want to take long weekends just because other colleagues want to book a "standard week".  Given the various all over the place shift patterns used in this business there is no such thing as a standard week anyway.

I 100% agree but there needs to be a balance and a manager needs to think of whole team. There are no hard and fast rules because of this. It's just advised that block holidays are booked to give colleagues a proper time out and that consideration is given to all. I am a services manager, the CSD, pfs, off till and trolleys all talk to others they work with and it's rare for me to get an unsuitable booking from them. I even have some colleagues on checkouts that do the same but this is harder. I try never to say no to holidays and if I do have to I go and see colleague first to see if they were just booking for something they need or if it's just time out. I don't like people booking birthdays off with two weeks notice, I get that they may have not expected a birthday being made into a special one, there is a huge difference. I just don't like "but it's my birthday and I never work my birthday" as they have had since previous year to book this. I also don't like a bunch of long weekends booked as it's retail. You took the job, weekend work was required and if you really don't want to work the hours you committed to leave retail. I don't mind some, as long as some block bookings are also in place

randomworker

I'm guessing when the holiday booking option appears for more colleagues in the my Tesco app the hassle for managers (or interference) will be greatly reduced

gomezz

#36
Quote from: Redshoes on 18-01-23, 01:37PMI also don't like a bunch of long weekends booked as it's retail. You took the job, weekend work was required and if you really don't want to work the hours you committed to leave retail. I don't mind some, as long as some block bookings are also in place
Block bookings of Wednesday through Thursday do not mean any more or any less weekends not worked by someone as if they has made block bookings of  Monday through Sunday so that argument does not fly - unless you inferred I was talking about booking lots of weekend days compared to weekday days which perhaps I did not make clear which I meant.
"The progress of the kart is more important than its direction"

oldfashionedplayer

see, if you do check with the colleague redshoes, thats probably more than most.. cause I know for ours they just write "refused" and no reason, you have to ask, complain and take it further.. that's the main problem with it.. as I've said before it's usually cause they don't want someone else to do that area, like we have one for yoghurts who does ONLY that, and he will more-so go off sick cause he can't get holidays at times cause they don't want to move people so he's given up asking for some.. when you work with the staff, fair enough... I don't see the problem with booking off a few long weekends, the problems are mainly when it's restricted, thats when staff just go "fine, in future I'll just call in sick and leave you without cover" - Happens at ours around birthdays / christmas and such lol.

Kentuckyfriedchicken

How did you ever have 9 weeks off to begin with? I have plenty of one day workers and they have always had 6+personal day

What is your complaint? That your holiday entitlement isn't enough? You work 4 hours a week............

This was very much signed off by the company and by the union, so if you have any complaints, speak to your line manager or USDAW.

Perhaps instead of taking the 1.5 hours off unpaid, you could suggest working 30 minutes extra for 3 weeks to allow for the full days holiday?

Redshoes

At max hols I don't get 9 weeks. After 30+ years in weeks I got 6 weeks, 8 bank holidays and a PD. That does not give me nine weeks but I don't feel that I'm hard done by. It's a lot of holiday compared to a lot of jobs.
In hours I get less than a full time colleague on full entitlement as managers are on 36 hours a week and not the 36.5 that colleagues are on but even so it's not 9 weeks.

Danman

Quote from: Mrbline on 15-01-23, 03:10PMIf your full time and done 15 years service u loose one day befor was 30 days leave 8 bh 1 pd now it works out 38 days 277.5 hours plus pd

I've worked it out I'm losing an hour and half.

6 weeks holiday = 36.5 x 6 = 219
8 Bank Holidays = 7.5 x 8 = 60
This equals 279 hours not 277.5
Plus PD of course

lackofinterest

Quote from: Redshoes on 20-01-23, 10:01AMAt max hols I don't get 9 weeks. After 30+ years in weeks I got 6 weeks, 8 bank holidays and a PD. That does not give me nine weeks but I don't feel that I'm hard done by. It's a lot of holiday compared to a lot of jobs.
In hours I get less than a full time colleague on full entitlement as managers are on 36 hours a week and not the 36.5 that colleagues are on but even so it's not 9 weeks.
after 15 years i got an extra 3 days which put it up to 30 days plus bank holidays. so is that the max? we don't get any more for 20, 25, or 30 years?

lackofinterest

Quote from: Kentuckyfriedchicken on 19-01-23, 04:36PMHow did you ever have 9 weeks off to begin with? I have plenty of one day workers and they have always had 6+personal day

What is your complaint? That your holiday entitlement isn't enough? You work 4 hours a week............

This was very much signed off by the company and by the union, so if you have any complaints, speak to your line manager or USDAW.

Perhaps instead of taking the 1.5 hours off unpaid, you could suggest working 30 minutes extra for 3 weeks to allow for the full days holiday?
maz will get 3 bank holidays which will be 9 days so in their case 9 weeks

Redshoes

Quote from: lackofinterest on 20-01-23, 06:35PM
Quote from: Redshoes on 20-01-23, 10:01AMAt max hols I don't get 9 weeks. After 30+ years in weeks I got 6 weeks, 8 bank holidays and a PD. That does not give me nine weeks but I don't feel that I'm hard done by. It's a lot of holiday compared to a lot of jobs.
In hours I get less than a full time colleague on full entitlement as managers are on 36 hours a week and not the 36.5 that colleagues are on but even so it's not 9 weeks.
after 15 years i got an extra 3 days which put it up to 30 days plus bank holidays. so is that the max? we don't get any more for 20, 25, or 30 years?

Max is issued at 15 years, no increase after that.

lackofinterest


Charlie Harper

I noticed PD...Personal Day mentioned in a few comments above, so good to see you guys haven't forgotten about it, but I find it strange that it isn't included in the entitled holiday hours total. In fact (from memory) it isn't mentioned anywhere on our pay slips etc.

I think there must be a load of new starters who aren't even aware they're entitled to it or that there is even such a thing.


Sherwoodforest

Personal day not mentioned in hours because you can take it on your longest shift sure its on bottom of wage slip

Charlie Harper

It certainly was on the old style pay slips, I'm not sure it's on the new ones though.

It may show up AFTER you've taken it (I haven't taken mine yet so I don't know) but it's not on there saying I have it to take (as far as I can see anyway)  which is kinda my point.

oldfashionedplayer

It shows up after you've taken it, if you haven't it won't show it yet.

StinkyPoo

Personal day shows on new wage slip after you have taken it. I think you have to be at Tesco a certain amount of time to be allowed one, maybe 3 months?

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