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Holiday days changed to hours

Started by MAZ, 13-01-23, 12:05PM

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MAZ

I noticed this last year but didn't pay much attention. I used to have 8 days a year holiday plus my personal day (only work a Sunday now 4hrs after break)  - been with the company 35 years last year. I wasn't told about the holidays changing (no surprise). I now have 30.5 hours instead of what would have been 32.  Which is not a full shift so I asked about this and was told I would need to take the balance of the shift unpaid. Was told apparently this change works for some people not for others.  After all these years working for the company I find this just another kick in the teeth. I doubt Tesco would do anything that does not work in their favour so I was wondering if it actually does work for some people as it certainly doesn't for me.  Lost out now on pay and very likely pension and now my holidays. Apart from going down to single time on a Sunday which will probably come soon there is not much more to lose.

5fdp

Maz, been hours now for over a year. So can't believe you didn't know. You would have put all your time off  for this years entitlement in by April last year. Any spare hours would be now getting inputted to clear by 31st March. Hrs just alittle different from days but it all works out over Yr. Remember your pd is separate from whats on show from hols icon the mgrs screen. See a mgr , they can sit you down and check with you there what your entitlement is.

Sherwoodforest

@maz if im reading your post right,you saying you got 8 days and a personal day?if thats the case thats 9 weeks holiday,

5fdp

Maz may have changed working hrs thro the year.

lucgeo

Thinking perhaps MAZ is including BH entitlement in the 8 days previous holiday allowance ???

The length of employment of 35 years would result in 6 weeks ( days)  holiday plus personal day, so how much entitlement allowance did it used to be on a one day shift? I'm thinking 2? Which would equate to MAZ's usual 8 days + personal day = 32 hours.
Unsure how working full hour slots result in a holiday entitlement of a half hour?
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

madness

No one lost out. you get holi hours instead of holidays.

What was happening was people on a shift pattern like 8hrs monday   4 hours tues  4 hours wed 4 hours thurs   were earning a holi "day" and taking that day on the Monday ie worked 4 hours to earn that holiday of 8 hours.

Sherwoodforest

Which meens hes benefited over the years with 8 weeks off compared to full timers on over 15 yr service on 39 days(including personal day)

lucgeo

Quote from: madness on 13-01-23, 03:00PMNo one lost out. you get holi hours instead of holidays.

What was happening was people on a shift pattern like 8hrs monday   4 hours tues  4 hours wed 4 hours thurs   were earning a holi "day" and taking that day on the Monday ie worked 4 hours to earn that holiday of 8 hours.

What ???  8-)
On the old holidays weeks, they had a week off on their contracted hours if someone worked an 8 hour shift on a Monday and they had Monday off as holiday, it was based on their contracted shift for that day? They didn't get 8 hours for 4 hours work?

I can see how it helps taking in hours, as people can choose short hour days for a holiday. A problem always used to be that colleagues who took a few days holiday as a part week, blocked others in the dept booking a week as no cover, and limited availability for booking! Has the new hour allowance alleviated this problem? Are there more restrictions now, as theoretically a colleague could now just take a part shift of hours  ???
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madness

Lucgeo they would take whole weeks but also proportionately more random mondays off (or whatever was their longest shift day)

Minnie Mouse

I lost 1.25 hours off a holiday shift last year because of days to hours, do the same hours on each night shift but it seemed to be if you worked an odd number of nightshift ie you work 3 you lost but not if you worked an even number of nights ie 4 that's what we found so for 1 holiday off in the year I get paid less don't understand it

Ibanez

Its quite simle really,everyone gets bank holidays pro rata against their hours now rather than no of days worked,so as said on 1 or 3 shifts you lose on 2 or 4 you gain,overall the company is even. Bank hols and now 1 contracted day=1.6 bh,2=3.2 bh,3=4.8bh,4 = 6.4bh 5 = 8bh

MARYDENE

Hi I've recently started as a customer delivery driver working 17 hours per week.
I requested some holiday days off which were all rejected. I discussed this with my manager  and was told I couldn't book individual shifts off and told I need to take my holidays in 17 hour blocks ie. A full week at a time, does anyone know if this is correct/lawful.

Thanks

Marydene

Minnie Mouse

Marydene No it's not right as holidays were changed from days to hours so you could book a half day holiday off instead of a full day holiday and you can take 1 days holiday if you wish so your manager is telling you lies

Mrbline

If your full time and done 15 years service u loose one day befor was 30 days leave 8 bh 1 pd now it works out 38 days 277.5 hours plus pd

lucgeo

8-) Minnie Mouse...go wash your mouth out immediately  8-)

No way would a manager tell bare faced lies  :-[

@MARYDENE...do not be fobbed off by this manager it's all lies. They just want an easy life by getting people to book block weeks!!
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

FarmerFred

Quote from: MARYDENE on 15-01-23, 11:51AMHi I've recently started as a customer delivery driver working 17 hours per week.
I requested some holiday days off which were all rejected. I discussed this with my manager  and was told I couldn't book individual shifts off and told I need to take my holidays in 17 hour blocks ie. A full week at a time, does anyone know if this is correct/lawful.

Thanks

Marydene

any time a manager comes out with anything like that always ask for them to provide a copy of the official tesco policy document that backs up their stance - if they can't then it can't be enforced as policy, as it is the policy states:
QuoteIn order to provide everyone with an opportunity to book peak holiday dates, the majority of your holiday should be taken as a minimum block of one week. The remaining odd few days can be taken as agreed with your manager, for example, as single days.

MARYDENE

Not the answer I wanted but at least I know where I stand that's very helpful thank you.

FarmerFred

As long as at least half of your holiday is in full week blocks you will fulfill the "majority" requirement so a few odd single days shouldn't be refused, but using over half of your allowance as single days would be an issue.

oldfashionedplayer

Note that the term used is should, meaning it isn't a requirement 😂, must = yes, should = okay maybe.. If that's the only reason you get rejected then take it forward as a complaint. You can always say "I'm willing to take a week here although it only says should, so I'm being more than compliant in trying to work with you" 😂

gomezz

As I have pointed out before some of us have lives where it makes sense to take a block of holidays that encompass long weekends of Friday through Monday.  This is just as valid as booking a week's holiday of Monday through Sunday and the system is flexible enough to allow both to happen.
"The progress of the kart is more important than its direction"

londoner83

Once the full role out of schedule to workload is implemented and every colleague can do every job, holiday issues on departments should become less of a issue.

The store has a budget for holiday hours each week and as long as any leave request fits in that budget it shouldn't matter if both Boris and Rupesh are both off on produce. Gladys from tills (who are over hours thar week) will be moved over to cover.

FarmerFred

As I understand it holiday will still be based on primary department and not store wide because although everyone will be "Fill-Pick-Serve" trained, the "Fill" part doesn't cover all of the routines or jobs on that department, so for instance Gladys won't be trained to do the Safe & Legal or cleaning routines.

Redshoes

Whole weeks booked off as holidays is advised to give colleagues a proper break from work. Everybody needs time out.

MARYDENE

A further question, I asked for 1 shift off at fairly short notice approx 4 weeks as I wanted to attend a birthday party that I had only just been invited to.
This request was refused as they had  no one to cover my shift. I then asked if I could take unpaid leave but got the same negative response as the manager would still need to get the shift covered.  Can anyone advise me when or if unpaid leave can be taken.

Thanks

Marydene

MAZ

Hi everyone thanks for your replies.  As I said I didn't pay much attention at the time. I have only worked a Sunday for quite a few years now. I did not put all my holidays in at the beginning of April last year - they are quite relaxed that way and I had just put three holidays in this month till end of March this year. This is when it caused a problem because I couldn't book it through the app because I didn't have enough for a full shift as my shift pattern is fixed to a contracted 4hrs Sunday. When I spoke to my Manager I was told that I would have to take the balance of my shift unpaid and that's when I was told it works for some and not others.  It will be the bank holiday entitlement as someone as commented. I still think it is unfair for contracted hours to be treated in this way, not all of us do different shifts.

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