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Wage deductions

Started by radaghastly, 11-01-23, 01:21PM

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radaghastly

A lot of colleagues are noticing the occasional 15 minute deduction on their wage slips. These are always coded "Unpaid Leave Retro  0.25 hours"

Does anyone have any insight as to what this is for?
Some of us are theorising it may be being applied for clocking-in exceptions??


Beanny

Spot on. If you are late you will be docked!

radaghastly

#2
Would this not be breaching contract law?

It is certainly against Tesco's own policy. "Lateness Guide" on the Tesco site states the following:-

3. Is lateness always paid?
Yes. Colleagues must always be paid, if they are late.

Sherwoodforest

Continual lateness should be dealt with,swings and roundabouts

biggerpicture

Shouldn't be deducting lateness. It's conduct and the process should be followed

londoner83

You can't be punished twice for the same offence.....so if you are being deducted pay for being late you can't also be given let's talks or conduct warnings for the same thing.

Official policy is to pay you despite you being late and to follow the misconduct process.

oldfashionedplayer

yep as londoner said in regards to the being paid its required they have to pay you whether you are 1 minute late or 1 hour late, and follow the lets talk / misconduct process..

one of ours was late every shift for about a year, no matter how much we complained, managers weren't happy either, they eventually decided to manage him after about 10 months of it and changed his shifts... was late like half of the time then which they were happy with.. lmao.

eventually the guy left of his own accord for another job but they ended up going through the supporting your attendance and managing a colleague out of the business process, a process that usually takes a year to get someone out anyhow...

trivi

My last store the wages admin was putting people as paid absence lateness and got told to stop cause one of the people being late complained lol

Redshoes

I think it's more likely to be people clocking in too early. We have a lot that arrive early and have a drink in canteen before they start work. We have had to do some coaching on not clocking in until you start work.

grim up north

Someone at my DC was 6 hours late for their 7.5 hr shift due to an issue on the motorway. They did 1.5hrs work and were paid for the whole shift

oldfashionedplayer

Used to always clock in half an hour early, then they started complaining, that it needed to be 3 minutes before and 3 minutes after maximum.. So always go up early to clock out to make sure we aren't late lol.

working hours policy think it is? mentions about clocking in time, that you should clock in when your ready to start work and go straight to it, so ideally we should be clocking in on the dot and going.. so I always clock in then way the 3 minutes then go, as thats 3 minutes im not paid for so not going to get free labour  :D

lucgeo

#11
Quote from: radaghastly on 11-01-23, 01:21PMA lot of colleagues are noticing the occasional 15 minute deduction on their wage slips. These are always coded "Unpaid Leave Retro  0.25 hours"

Does anyone have any insight as to what this is for?
Some of us are theorising it may be being applied for clocking-in exceptions??


So as it's several colleagues having this time deducted from their pay, once it's been established it's for lateness, a group grievance should be submitted to your people partner and SM!

The withholding of this pay has been authorised by just the one person as it's across the board of depts and colleagues. If you still have a wages clerk, that's your first port of call, to ask who authorised the non payments when the came up in exceptions? Ask for a print out of the amount of time docked and request immediate monetary recompense in your grievance!

Do not be fobbed off...every trained team support,team leader or section manager and wages clerk will be aware that lateness is a conduct issue. If anyone has received warnings for lateness AND had the time docked from their pay for the same period, should have a note placed in their file and have that warning ignored for any future meetings.
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

5fdp

Lateness is a conduct issue and should be paid. The reason will be is to their mbh down. Every little helps. There is alot of pressure from above regarding reducing the hrs within each store. Over a week this could add up to a significant amount of hrs saved.

Redshoes

Lateness is a conduct issue but it can't be double punished. If time is deducted it can't then go to disciplinary. That's why lateness should be paid.
It has not been established that this is the reason for deductions on wages. It is far more likely that this is due to colleagues clocking in early or staying late. Overtime is zero in many stores just now. In all stores it's tightly controlled. Those who clock in early or stay late will be unauthorised overtime and as such it not budgeted for.

Redshoes

The company can also ask you to pay back the lateness time. It should be done at an agreed time. When this time is paid back it's not overtime so may show as a deduction. The easy thing is to stay late at the end of the same shift but that is not always the right thing to do for the colleague or the dept.
I'm most cases someone will be 15 mins late and it's a one off and that is the beginning and end of the matter. Those repeat offenders may have to pay back time.

Ginsoakedlush

Definitely get that checked out, all lateness is paid

Kentuckyfriedchicken

Quote from: radaghastly on 11-01-23, 01:21PMA lot of colleagues are noticing the occasional 15 minute deduction on their wage slips. These are always coded "Unpaid Leave Retro  0.25 hours"

Does anyone have any insight as to what this is for?
Some of us are theorising it may be being applied for clocking-in exceptions??



This could be for a number of many things. Yes, if it's lateness then it should be paid. Why are these colleagues not speaking to their team manager about these unpaid hours? Did they leave early? Was it around Christmas time and the store closed early so colleagues got away? Don't think it's a wrongdoing of anything unless you can identify what the reasons are. I am assuming you have been affected by this too? Questions about pay should be discussed in store, not on here

lucgeo

 8-) yes because as we know, Tesco Managers are always approachable, open and honest  :-X  8-)

Why should questions on pay, or any other topic not be discussed on here, only instore  ???
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2ndtimeround

Simply because you can not get a resolution on here but you can by raising a query in store.
I'd assumed that the purpose of asking things on here was to seek advice around how best to find a resolution to a problem.
It does appear however that for a select few it is simply an outlet for negativity over anything and everything.

chris9997

Yes lateness is paid as it is illegal not to pay , however tesco get around this by coding as paid leave so anyone see 15 minutes paid leave come up on wage slip this is coming off holiday.(for work and pay stores.)

5fdp

Chris9997 its not illegal. What it does is reduce the persons hourly rate below the minimum wage rate, which is illegal. If they were on a very much higher rate of pay you could easily unpay them.

Nomad

Quote from: chris9997 on 20-01-23, 09:06AMYes lateness is paid as it is illegal not to pay , however tesco get around this by coding as paid leave so anyone see 15 minutes paid leave come up on wage slip this is coming off holiday.(for work and pay stores.)


Late for work ! lose holiday pay/allowance  :o  not sure that's legit  :question:
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Redshoes

Quote from: chris9997 on 20-01-23, 09:06AMYes lateness is paid as it is illegal not to pay , however tesco get around this by coding as paid leave so anyone see 15 minutes paid leave come up on wage slip this is coming off holiday.(for work and pay stores.)


I have never seen this done.

Jake of all

Retro means from a previous pay period. It is nothing to do with being late, which is a paid absence.

Brownieboy

It could be for clocking off early... your allowed 3 minutes but any more they usually dock your pay.

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