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Team Managers about to get demoted-lose pay!

Started by markwinters, 29-12-22, 11:06AM

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Sizzle1968

Quote from: NorthbyNorthwest on 25-01-23, 07:24PMBeanny, store managers I know have been told to keep next week free for something!

Rather they get on with it to be honest

Voices Of Reason

Whats making me laugh is that those Mother-Feffers read this

jonty

I suspect they do more than read on here.

forrestgimp

Quote from: NorthbyNorthwest on 25-01-23, 06:00PMApologies if this comes across a bit rude, any chance we can have this thread go back to talking about that most maligned of creature ( I am one! ), the team manager's?

Are you feeling sorry for yourself? I wouldn't look for much sympathy here, the vast majority of us on here have been on the receiving end of bullying and coercive behaviour from section/team managers over the years including being told we are over Pi and if we don't do more we will lose our jobs or no we cant have that holiday because another person on a different shift has a single day of so its over budget, Or we have been lied to about company policy to try to compel us to do things. Or no the 2005 pay review deal has been scrapped so everyone has to till train now or yes you were paid right go away, or there isnt any money to pay the overtime you just did so we will give you time in leu that you cant take because we wont let you (that last one has been stopped by head office now its actually written in Tesco policy).

So go cry by yourself.

RaceToTheBottom

Quote from: rogerthedodger on 25-01-23, 05:59PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 25-01-23, 11:40AM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 24-01-23, 06:47PMAs far as I'm aware no one has seen the new terms and conditions yet as the new contracts are yet to go live. Maybe the confusion is over the new availability forms  which the majority of stores did not explain to their staff correctly.

However it is true that every colleague will need to have checkouts/personal shopper and Grocery/fresh listed as departments come July. There will be  no escaping it unless you are exempt on occupational health grounds.

*but* and this is the important bit - everyone will still be contracted to a primary department where there contracted hours should always be worked unless those hours are in the wrong place which as I said above should not be the case if your heatmaps are correct.

So if you don't want to be moved around a lot have your availability set as only your contracted shifts (this will not effect you being able to see overtime) and make sure your manager has you in the right place at the right  time.
 

Anything else is scare stories. 

Everyone including night staff? I dont see the point of night staff being trained on checkouts or personal shopper.

You will when nights start to erode

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Grahol

Quote from: forrestgimp on 26-01-23, 08:09AM
Quote from: NorthbyNorthwest on 25-01-23, 06:00PMApologies if this comes across a bit rude, any chance we can have this thread go back to talking about that most maligned of creature ( I am one! ), the team manager's?

Are you feeling sorry for yourself? I wouldn't look for much sympathy here, the vast majority of us on here have been on the receiving end of bullying and coercive behaviour from section/team managers over the years including being told we are over Pi and if we don't do more we will lose our jobs or no we cant have that holiday because another person on a different shift has a single day of so its over budget, Or we have been lied to about company policy to try to compel us to do things. Or no the 2005 pay review deal has been scrapped so everyone has to till train now or yes you were paid right go away, or there isnt any money to pay the overtime you just did so we will give you time in leu that you cant take because we wont let you (that last one has been stopped by head office now its actually written in Tesco policy).

So go cry by yourself.

Classy

trolleyboy96

One thing some may of forgotten, but team managers last year lost the title of depts...guessing that will have a bearing on any future changes and a wiggle out of any redundancy pay.

Now branded as team manager, rather than grocery manager or checkout manager and the theory was to rotate managers round the business more.

chocolatestrawberry

#333
Please do not quote immediately prior post(s).  .Admin.

Only exception to this is phone shop managers, they still come under Phone Shop Team Manager... nothing ever seems to be happening to then

NorthbyNorthwest

Quote from: forrestgimp on 26-01-23, 08:09AM
Quote from: NorthbyNorthwest on 25-01-23, 06:00PMApologies if this comes across a bit rude, any chance we can have this thread go back to talking about that most maligned of creature ( I am one! ), the team manager's?

Are you feeling sorry for yourself? I wouldn't look for much sympathy here, the vast majority of us on here have been on the receiving end of bullying and coercive behaviour from section/team managers over the years including being told we are over Pi and if we don't do more we will lose our jobs or no we cant have that holiday because another person on a different shift has a single day of so its over budget, Or we have been lied to about company policy to try to compel us to do things. Or no the 2005 pay review deal has been scrapped so everyone has to till train now or yes you were paid right go away, or there isnt any money to pay the overtime you just did so we will give you time in leu that you cant take because we wont let you (that last one has been stopped by head office now its actually written in Tesco policy).

So go cry by yourself.
Sorry to hear that forrestgimp has been treated so badly by team managers. And what has his comment done to me? Nothing, nothing at all, because I've been where he is, and I get it, and that's why I've tried to do what I can for colleague's that report to me, and paid the price in my reviews. But hey, it doesn't matter because if we do go you'll only have each other to blame for things going wrong instead of us!
Forrest, I usually like your contributions, but some others may take your reply to me quite badly, I however don't and look forward to more of your insights in the future.

Redshoes

We are now just a Team Manager, but accountable to certain areas. As such we can be moved anywhere. We also don't have set hours, most stores run on a rota that constantly changes. We do early and late shifts, often in same week. In theory we should now be on middle shifts and shift leads should be opening and closing the shop. In reality we don't have the shift leads to be able to do this.
It seems like every week someone posts that changes are coming next week. No matter what is coming I just wish it would happen now. The last change was a soft structure change and it has never really landed. It's harder now than it will be. It just now needs to land.

Sizzle1968

Quote from: chocolatestrawberry on 26-01-23, 09:41AMPlease do not quote immediately prior post(s).  .Admin.

Only exception to this is phone shop managers, they still come under Phone Shop Team Manager... nothing ever seems to be happening to then

Or Home shopping fulfillment Managers



SAMCRO

Quote from: jonty on 26-01-23, 11:04AMAsda got in there first

https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/21171074/asda-announces-job-cuts/amp/

Tesco got in there first in 2016 when they got rid of night teams in most of their stores.

jonty

I was referring to news for this year.

Rodie

Pretty much had it confirmed to me by my store manager that all shift leaders will be trained on and expected to due duty shifts going forward, any who decline will be asked to step down

NightAndDay

Shift Leaders have been doing duty shifts in Express for the past 9 years, it's hardly surprising, in fact it's more surprising that they weren't doing it already in SS format.

FruityLoopy

I'm fairly certain its in the small print of the shift leader contract that they may be required to duty although that could be based on store size. So refusing to duty would be a breach of contract in that instance anyway.


trivi

Shift leader is already a duty role no matter store size

Bobmay

Quote from: leeds106 on 25-01-23, 01:33PMIf nights moves to Twilight or Mornings it's gonna cost them a fair few quid as I suspect it will be much the same as when Non food was removed from nights and nearly everyone took the redundancy offer and ran for the hills.

Much like most night workers i suspect if redundancy is ever an option I will personally after 20 years service be taking it and moving on

They are now removing nights from asda stores.So you never know. Tesco will be following the lead soon enough.
https://news.sky.com/story/asda-shake-up-risks-job-cuts-and-lower-pay-for-4-000-night-workers-12795895

Bobmay

Quote from: rogerthedodger on 25-01-23, 05:59PM
Quote from: Bobmay on 25-01-23, 11:40AM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 24-01-23, 06:47PMAs far as I'm aware no one has seen the new terms and conditions yet as the new contracts are yet to go live. Maybe the confusion is over the new availability forms  which the majority of stores did not explain to their staff correctly.

However it is true that every colleague will need to have checkouts/personal shopper and Grocery/fresh listed as departments come July. There will be  no escaping it unless you are exempt on occupational health grounds.

*but* and this is the important bit - everyone will still be contracted to a primary department where there contracted hours should always be worked unless those hours are in the wrong place which as I said above should not be the case if your heatmaps are correct.

So if you don't want to be moved around a lot have your availability set as only your contracted shifts (this will not effect you being able to see overtime) and make sure your manager has you in the right place at the right  time.
 

Anything else is scare stories. 

Everyone including night staff? I dont see the point of night staff being trained on checkouts or personal shopper.

You will when nights start to erode

Unless the remove nights or change fhem to twilight hours.It is an waste of resources for night staff to be trained on checkouts or dotcom. They are  removed nights from many supermarkets like sainsbury's and now they removed nights from asda. I expect tesco to follow this and increase the number of stores they remove nights from.
https://news.sky.com/story/asda-shake-up-risks-job-cuts-and-lower-pay-for-4-000-night-workers-12795895

SAMCRO

#347

I'll say it once more - Tesco removed night teams from the majority of its store in 2016.


Bobmay

Quote from: SAMCRO on 26-01-23, 03:43PMI'll say it once more - Tesco removed night teams from the majority of its store in 2016.



Not majority you still have hundreds of stores which still have nights especially in many small Tesco former ex metros and also small superstores and large superstores. Also they didbt completely remove them in 2016 rather it was reduced numbers if full time people

Sherwoodforest

@bobmay yes the majority closed then,sure theres only 7/8 left out of 22 on our group still fill at night,so yes majority,

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