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Team Managers about to get demoted-lose pay!

Started by markwinters, 29-12-22, 11:06AM

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rogerthedodger

Quote from: TheDD on 24-01-23, 10:14AMStore/Lead managers are currently being informed of changes via a zoom call.

Not true


Sizzle1968

Quote from: Mikoo on 24-01-23, 09:33AM5 team managers overseeing the shop floor does seem accurate of where we are heading.

I wonder how they will restructure dot com.


Currently our Dot Com has over 200 staff and 2 FT & 1 PT Team Manager so dreading going down to 1 TM!!!!

Sizzle1968

Quote from: Mikoo on 23-01-23, 08:32PMMy extra has 10 daytime team managers, 5 of which are at dot com. Two daytime leads.

Nights has one lead, two team leaders

Sounds like both our stores will be mega affecred doesn't it??

RaceToTheBottom

Quote from: FarmerFred on 23-01-23, 05:52PM
Quote from: RaceToTheBottom on 23-01-23, 01:31PMThere are no departments,  all colleagues are just tesco colleagues now

Will be 1 manager for FILL

1 manager for SERVE

I manager for PICK

All Tesco colleagues will be fully trained by 28th July 2023 as per new contract

Schedule to workload
Schedule to availability will determine where the tesco colleagues are working

Shift leaders to run the shift
So is everyone going to have the full bronze/silver training for every department then? Everyone trained for the safe & legal recording for every department? Everyone trained for backdoor & supplied with PPE? Everyone trained for every department waste, date scan & reductions? All this by July along with training everyone on checkouts and DotCom?
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Yes is the answer.  Did you not have a 1 to 1 and sign these new terms and Conditions before Xmas?

FruityLoopy

Quote from: AlwaysSearching on 24-01-23, 09:13AMSo for Extras it looks like this is what's happening.

Management restructure. 

Checkouts/SAYS/SelfServe/CSD/PFS - all being merged under one manager with reduced roles for Team Support as more ''off till activity'' roles are created

Fresh merging as one with Bread/Dairy/Meat/Produce all falling under one manager instead of 3 with additional Shift Leader roles created

Grocery  - 1 mananger

Non Food/F&F - 1 manager

Stock Control/Cash Office/Admin/Merch/Wages - 1 manager

so it will be the fresh and front areas most effected by the manager changes.

Shop Floor

Night shift Health & Beauty/Frozen/BWS moving to days perm. Most of this has already been rolled out.

Fish Counters to close in May with Hot Deli's going in specific stores also.

Reduced routines for stock control/Admin/Wages



For a while now I've wondered why my front end has a manager as they get the team supports to do all the work for them. So if team supports are also being cut back on they will be a lot of bruised egos in my store.

Hammer10

Don't know of any of our staff in our store being told about new terms and conditions.

Duff McKagan

We were just taken in for one to ones and told we were expected to complete training for checkouts, self service, dot com and filling, and told it had to be done by July..that's it...no further details, and nobody I have spoken to has seen the new terms and conditions or any new contracts. I understand the union signed the contracts for us, we haven't seen them and have no idea what details have changed such as job codes etc.

FruityLoopy

If they are reducing Team Support numbers to make way for more ''off till activity'' then I wonder if the Team Supports will get first chance of the new shift leader roles on fresh or will the previous managers of those departments be asked if they want it?

It could be a case of, sorry contracts have changed there's no job for you ''bye''

 

King1999

They will team 5 it like they did last year to stock control,before all the new contract c**p kicked in.

FruityLoopy

Quote from: Hammer10 on 24-01-23, 02:07PMDon't know of any of our staff in our store being told about new terms and conditions.

In terms of My Tesco. The allocator app that everyone is terrified about will only move you around if your hours are in the wrong place which if your manager follows their heatmap they shouldn't be.

There will be cases where you are moved but that will be when holidays need covering etc. It should not be a daily thing.

So in short, if your availability is only your contracted shifts and your contracted shifts are accurate on the heatmap you will be fine.

Your availability does not effect your ability to pick up overtime.

FarmerFred

Quote from: RaceToTheBottom on 24-01-23, 11:36AM
Quote from: FarmerFred on 23-01-23, 05:52PM
Quote from: RaceToTheBottom on 23-01-23, 01:31PMThere are no departments,  all colleagues are just tesco colleagues now

Will be 1 manager for FILL

1 manager for SERVE

I manager for PICK

All Tesco colleagues will be fully trained by 28th July 2023 as per new contract

Schedule to workload
Schedule to availability will determine where the tesco colleagues are working

Shift leaders to run the shift
So is everyone going to have the full bronze/silver training for every department then? Everyone trained for the safe & legal recording for every department? Everyone trained for backdoor & supplied with PPE? Everyone trained for every department waste, date scan & reductions? All this by July along with training everyone on checkouts and DotCom?



Yes is the answer.  Did you not have a 1 to 1 and sign these new terms and Conditions before Xmas?
No because I'm not directly involved in shop floor operations these days. The colleagues that I have spoken with all have primary departments and some have been discussing department changes with various managers, which doesn't seem to tie up with what you are suggesting.

FruityLoopy

#312
As far as I'm aware no one has seen the new terms and conditions yet as the new contracts are yet to go live. Maybe the confusion is over the new availability forms  which the majority of stores did not explain to their staff correctly.

However it is true that every colleague will need to have checkouts/personal shopper and Grocery/fresh listed as departments come July. There will be  no escaping it unless you are exempt on occupational health grounds.

*but* and this is the important bit - everyone will still be contracted to a primary department where there contracted hours should always be worked unless those hours are in the wrong place which as I said above should not be the case if your heatmaps are correct.

So if you don't want to be moved around a lot have your availability set as only your contracted shifts (this will not effect you being able to see overtime) and make sure your manager has you in the right place at the right  time.
 

Anything else is scare stories. 

Redshoes

All colleagues have the new contracts in my store. It's no longer the one page version, if you have a contract that is a few pages long it's the new one.

I already have a list of colleagues contracted to more than one area. Primary dept is the one you have the most hours in and this will be your manager. Most of my colleagues are within front end but I have a checkout colleague who has a singe C&C shift and a fresh colleague who has a single checkout shift.
If you are wanting to increase your contracted hours this is probably the way forward. We have no issues. You just need to keep track of holidays but if manager reviews the system and holidays are not issued short notice without communicating it's not an issue. All managers have to do is follow process and it works.

james

Quote from: TheDD on 24-01-23, 10:14AMStore/Lead managers are currently being informed of changes via a zoom call.
no we are not.

Voices Of Reason

Quote from: AlwaysSearching on 24-01-23, 09:13AMSo for Extras it looks like this is what's happening.

Management restructure. 

Checkouts/SAYS/SelfServe/CSD/PFS - all being merged under one manager with reduced roles for Team Support as more ''off till activity'' roles are created

Fresh merging as one with Bread/Dairy/Meat/Produce all falling under one manager instead of 3 with additional Shift Leader roles created

Grocery  - 1 mananger

Non Food/F&F - 1 manager

Stock Control/Cash Office/Admin/Merch/Wages - 1 manager

so it will be the fresh and front areas most effected by the manager changes.

Shop Floor

Night shift Health & Beauty/Frozen/BWS moving to days perm. Most of this has already been rolled out.

Fish Counters to close in May with Hot Deli's going in specific stores also.

Reduced routines for stock control/Admin/Wages

This seems to be the predominant theory from the rumour mill. As for the Leads, I think they will go into consultation also. The general consensus seems to be that the lead role is defunct and that with the line manager upper pay moved to 36k, makes lead managers surplus to requirements. Only the larger extras taking over a million plus, keeping a lead/deputy. With the role changing in scale they couldn't really just job match, so I see that having to be interviewed for. 

Stores have been ripe for restructure for the last couple of years, when they did the structures two years ago it was inevitable that the soft structure process would happen in an unbalanced way with some stores getting there sooner than others, leaving a big disparity across the formats. Some of the bigger extras had less managers and leads that the smaller ones making it a bone of contention. Leaving stores in that limbo was affecting payroll and not getting the desired savings. At the end of the day Ken is an accountant not a retailer. so now is the time to finally put the nail in the coffin of lead managers who were on 50k+

If this indeed is the way they go it is the last of the low hanging fruit in the stores. The business have already scraped the bottom of the GA barrel with fewer and fewer plausible reasons for cash grabs (obviously they can redefine rumble for a fourth cash grab). Technology will be the only way to reduce head count going forward.

One final observation, with bakeries restructured 3 years ago, counters closed two years ago, pensions weakened, colleague hot food canteens closed and a whole myriad of cost cutting by Dave Lewis culminating in significant reduction in colleague benefits most leads and managers will welcome the chance to take a lump sum and jump from an iceberg that is in boiling water.     


Bobmay

Quote from: Duff McKagan on 24-01-23, 02:28PMWe were just taken in for one to ones and told we were expected to complete training for checkouts, self service, dot com and filling, and told it had to be done by July..that's it...no further details, and nobody I have spoken to has seen the new terms and conditions or any new contracts. I understand the union signed the contracts for us, we haven't seen them and have no idea what details have changed such as job codes etc.

Will this effect everyone including night? I don't see the point of night people being trained for checkouts ai ce they wont be working on them.

Bobmay

Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 24-01-23, 06:47PMAs far as I'm aware no one has seen the new terms and conditions yet as the new contracts are yet to go live. Maybe the confusion is over the new availability forms  which the majority of stores did not explain to their staff correctly.

However it is true that every colleague will need to have checkouts/personal shopper and Grocery/fresh listed as departments come July. There will be  no escaping it unless you are exempt on occupational health grounds.

*but* and this is the important bit - everyone will still be contracted to a primary department where there contracted hours should always be worked unless those hours are in the wrong place which as I said above should not be the case if your heatmaps are correct.

So if you don't want to be moved around a lot have your availability set as only your contracted shifts (this will not effect you being able to see overtime) and make sure your manager has you in the right place at the right  time.
 

Anything else is scare stories. 

Everyone including night staff? I dont see the point of night staff being trained on checkouts or personal shopper.

Duff McKagan

Pre 2005 colleagues don't have to go on main bank checkouts but do have to train on self service, this is the same for nights and days...clearly night workers aren't really going to be on main bank tills because they're not open during the shift, and self service are only open for the first 2 hours. There will be some exemptions for those who simply won't be working while tills are open or when dot com are working...there's no point in them training for tills or dot com if they work 12-6 for instance. But for everyone else on regular 10-7 shifts they will have to train on checkouts, self serve and dot com.
At least that's the case in my store.
Should nights move to twilights or early mornings then they will have staff already trained to serve pick and fill.

leeds106

If nights moves to Twilight or Mornings it's gonna cost them a fair few quid as I suspect it will be much the same as when Non food was removed from nights and nearly everyone took the redundancy offer and ran for the hills.

Much like most night workers i suspect if redundancy is ever an option I will personally after 20 years service be taking it and moving on
 

rogerthedodger

Quote from: Bobmay on 25-01-23, 11:40AM
Quote from: Checkout Superstar on 24-01-23, 06:47PMAs far as I'm aware no one has seen the new terms and conditions yet as the new contracts are yet to go live. Maybe the confusion is over the new availability forms  which the majority of stores did not explain to their staff correctly.

However it is true that every colleague will need to have checkouts/personal shopper and Grocery/fresh listed as departments come July. There will be  no escaping it unless you are exempt on occupational health grounds.

*but* and this is the important bit - everyone will still be contracted to a primary department where there contracted hours should always be worked unless those hours are in the wrong place which as I said above should not be the case if your heatmaps are correct.

So if you don't want to be moved around a lot have your availability set as only your contracted shifts (this will not effect you being able to see overtime) and make sure your manager has you in the right place at the right  time.
 

Anything else is scare stories. 

Everyone including night staff? I dont see the point of night staff being trained on checkouts or personal shopper.

You will when nights start to erode

NorthbyNorthwest

Apologies if this comes across a bit rude, any chance we can have this thread go back to talking about that most maligned of creature ( I am one! ), the team manager's?

whoknowswhatsgoingon

Store managers all find out Monday, not long until people's fates are known!

Beanny


NorthbyNorthwest

Beanny, store managers I know have been told to keep next week free for something!

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