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Team Managers about to get demoted-lose pay!

Started by markwinters, 29-12-22, 11:06AM

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Sherwoodforest

I work in an extra on nights,we have 2 lead,1 fresh/ambient 1 dot com,hardly ever see them on lates(maybe they think there too important to the business to do lates)but you could never tell when i get in whats been done during the day,cant see any value in their leadership

NorthbyNorthwest

I would say that line managers ( or are we team managers, I can never remember! ) are definitely on our way out. I am expecting to be put down to a shift leader within the next few months as the company 'simplifies' their management structures. If there was a sniff of redundancy I would take it, but feel in this instance it will not happen.

The crow

I can't see how they can just make team managers, shift leaders. To do that they would have to make the team manager role redundant which would mean redundancy surely...

kaled78

cash office girls and backdoormen,had their job titles changed a few years back,with no redundancy,so don't under estimate what they are capable of,if their is a way to avoid paying redundancy they will!

NorthbyNorthwest

Everyone who is not a manager is now on the same grade ( with enhanced pay for certain job roles ) so would not have incurred a redundancy situation when their 'job titles' were taken away. If as rumoured we are to lose our job title there will have to be some kind of payment protection/pay out due to being on a different pay structure/contract.

The crow

I agree that job titles can be changed and avoid redundancies, I also agree that there would have to be pay protection for a lesser role however, the point I'm making is that in them situations, the lesser role does not exist yet therefore they can change the job title of any role to a new one. In this case, we already have 2 defied roles that are both still active i.e team manager and shift leader. So, for there to be only one role out of the two then the other has to be made redundant. In other words if they only want shift leaders then the team manager is redundant and vice versa. Am i making sense?

Jamesowhiteo

Any thoughts on the removal of wage/resource clerks and administration colleagues? Anyone think it's coming soon?

kaled78

yes,that's what work and pay is aiming to achieve in the long run

trolleyboy96

#58
The admin assistant in our store left before Christmas and guidance was not to replace as the role has virtually gone with the exception of new starter inductions.

The above comment about leads, most have already gone in the small/med superstores, the extras appear to of kept there's on our group and haven't been streamlined as yet. Local extras still have 3-4 leads while the team manager population has shrunk. I do think the one stumbling block is pay, team managers are salaried vs shift leaders hourly paid, that's a chunk of a change.

NorthbyNorthwest

Quote from: The crow on 06-01-23, 07:41PMI agree that job titles can be changed and avoid redundancies, I also agree that there would have to be pay protection for a lesser role however, the point I'm making is that in them situations, the lesser role does not exist yet therefore they can change the job title of any role to a new one. In this case, we already have 2 defied roles that are both still active i.e team manager and shift leader. So, for there to be only one role out of the two then the other has to be made redundant. In other words if they only want shift leaders then the team manager is redundant and vice versa. Am i making sense?
Oh, trust me, I hope it's a redundancy situation, but I've worked for them for to long and have seen enough shady goings on to trust this will go as you ( and I ) hope!

Doodah

If they're planning anything for nights just hold tight until he first week of February to see.

The usual timeline is cascade it to store managers, 2 weeks for meetings with staff,2 for staff to make the decision and the month of march to work four weeks notice, with a view to affected staff being gone before the start of the new financial year. I understand its frustrating waiting to hear, but it won't be until then that even store managers get the info (unless it's leaked).

Redshoes

Quote from: NorthbyNorthwest on 06-01-23, 12:12PMI see something different in regards to leads going.  The company, in their last conference said that shift leaders have been a 'great success' and that more will be rolled out. Since then silence, however existingline managers got shafted in the pre Christmas pay award. The structure I see going forward is
Store Manager
Deputy/Lead Manager(s) depending on size of store
Shift Leaders, amount depending on size of store again.

If leads were removed you take out a layer of future store managers, the jump from line to store manager is one that I'm sure many wouldn't want to do. Leads have been untouched by all the new 'simplifications' and are still mouldable to the 'Tesco dream', many line managers have simply had enough now.

Store managers of late have had to start off in smaller formats. A team manager going up via the small formats is not such a big jump. At one time a manager could go up the ranks but only ever work in one store. I have never thought this was right. Even if they go back to a store I think they need to leave at some point.

NightGrafter

Quote from: Doodah on 06-01-23, 10:24PMIf they're planning anything for nights just hold tight until he first week of February to see.

The usual timeline is cascade it to store managers, 2 weeks for meetings with staff,2 for staff to make the decision and the month of march to work four weeks notice, with a view to affected staff being gone before the start of the new financial year. I understand its frustrating waiting to hear, but it won't be until then that even store managers get the info (unless it's leaked).

Looking back at Tesco history it will more than likely be leaked!
Either way me & quite a few of my night colleagues really hope they announce our store soon

ExSMfloor

Quote from: NorthbyNorthwest on 06-01-23, 06:32PMEveryone who is not a manager is now on the same grade ( with enhanced pay for certain job roles ) so would not have incurred a redundancy situation when their 'job titles' were taken away. If as rumoured we are to lose our job title there will have to be some kind of payment protection/pay out due to being on a different pay structure/contract.

You'll get the standard 2 years pay protection or an equivalent payout. As above post says, this is unlikely until Feb given previous timelines

Bobmay

#64
Quote from: Doodah on 06-01-23, 10:24PMIf they're planning anything for nights just hold tight until he first week of February to see.

The usual timeline is cascade it to store managers, 2 weeks for meetings with staff,2 for staff to make the decision and the month of march to work four weeks notice, with a view to affected staff being gone before the start of the new financial year. I understand its frustrating waiting to hear, but it won't be until then that even store managers get the info (unless it's leaked).

Nights in express stores I strongly believe will be gone they are already getting in london region £13.30 an hour avd on Saturday night shift we get £15.60 an hour if it bank holiday and Saturday night shift it is £17.90 an hour. I highly doubt with those amount of money they will keep nights on Express especially former metro they dont even hire replacement. So hopefully it will be redundancy.  Do you work in former metro store turned express? Where do you get the information nights is going?

Bobmay

Quote from: NightGrafter on 07-01-23, 06:06AM
Quote from: Doodah on 06-01-23, 10:24PMIf they're planning anything for nights just hold tight until he first week of February to see.

The usual timeline is cascade it to store managers, 2 weeks for meetings with staff,2 for staff to make the decision and the month of march to work four weeks notice, with a view to affected staff being gone before the start of the new financial year. I understand its frustrating waiting to hear, but it won't be until then that even store managers get the info (unless it's leaked).

Looking back at Tesco history it will more than likely be leaked!
Either way me & quite a few of my night colleagues really hope they announce our store soon


What is your store is it express former metro? Extra? Superstore. If it is an Express it has the highest chance nights will go highly certain it will go . If it is superstore it also has an high chance for extra it depends on  store  size and if it able go do it twilight hours and morning evening.

londoner83

With the right number of colleagues and cage locations in aisles there will be very few stores that are unable to go to day Fill for at least most of the week.

However you still need to consider whether distribution have the capacity to deliver all these extra loads on days considering traffic and congestion is often far worse than over night.

Sherwoodforest

True but i work in night store and most deliveries in during the day anyway,just takes smart planning to get deliveries on the road outside peak times

NightGrafter

Quote from: Bobmay on 07-01-23, 02:06PM
Quote from: NightGrafter on 07-01-23, 06:06AM
Quote from: Doodah on 06-01-23, 10:24PMIf they're planning anything for nights just hold tight until he first week of February to see.

The usual timeline is cascade it to store managers, 2 weeks for meetings with staff,2 for staff to make the decision and the month of march to work four weeks notice, with a view to affected staff being gone before the start of the new financial year. I understand its frustrating waiting to hear, but it won't be until then that even store managers get the info (unless it's leaked).

Looking back at Tesco history it will more than likely be leaked!
Either way me & quite a few of my night colleagues really hope they announce our store soon


What is your store is it express former metro? Extra? Superstore. If it is an Express it has the highest chance nights will go highly certain it will go . If it is superstore it also has an high chance for extra it depends on  store  size and if it able go do it twilight hours and morning evening.

My store is a superstore, in the past when Tesco remove night filling to twilight we hear that our store was one of them on the list but then the other superstores near us loses the nights instead of us

FarmerFred

Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 07-01-23, 05:41PMTrue but i work in night store and most deliveries in during the day anyway,just takes smart planning to get deliveries on the road outside peak times
It is a bit more complicated than that as the depots will require more trailers & tractor units to be able to service stores over a shorter period, along with more space in the yards for the kit to stand - visit some of the DCs & you'll see how difficult that will be. Most tractor units are run for two shifts within a 24 hour period as it is with only a few idle hours with drivers often getting in to a literal hot seat with the cab reeking of the previous driver's farts. The queues to offload recycling at fresh DCs will go up too leading to drivers being paid OT for sitting around for longer. Fridge units will be running longer hours as trailers will have to be loaded in advance as there aren't enough bays at the depots to load out over a shorter period & that will increase maintenance and operating costs. Then there are stores where cramming all the deliveries into a shorter working day will lead to chillers & warehouses being log jammed & a near constant "one on the bay" with the following delivery sat outside waiting... Not that I'd put it past head office to go down that route without considering the implications!

Tesc0Wow

If they can they will. Even if it's having a couple of people in the store to accept deliveries during the night, rather than having a full night team. Such as a CA & SL or duty trained colleague they'll do it. Believe this happened in a few twilight stores during the issue with lorry drivers in 2021

trolleyboy96

Yep we have 3 duty trained colleagues 2 for open and 1 close they can step in if a shift leader/manager has an accident or goes sick.

AudiTTman

How is it that in some smaller stores they have an SM, 2xTM and 4 SL? Only less than fifty colleagues yet on same group, a store has the same structure but 95 staff, how are Team Managers suppose to cope with so many when all shift leaders are not trained properly on what they should be doing, operational wise?

Redshoes

Quote from: NorthbyNorthwest on 06-01-23, 06:32PMEveryone who is not a manager is now on the same grade ( with enhanced pay for certain job roles ) so would not have incurred a redundancy situation when their 'job titles' were taken away. If as rumoured we are to lose our job title there will have to be some kind of payment protection/pay out due to being on a different pay structure/contract.

Same goes for managers, they are just a Team Manager but accountable for certain areas. The areas to be held accountable for can change.
All colleagues are colleagues with a primary task. The expectation is that all colleagues should hold additional skills so that everyone can fill, pick and serve.
There are Depts that are not listed within the fill, pick and serve. Stock control, CSD, pfs, bakery, pi, wages, cash office, trolleys to name a few off the top of my head.
What this means I don't know. Are the fill, pick and serve going to be seen as primary tasks, I personally don't think so. I do however know that there is little point doing a gap scan when you have six cages of delivery handed over. There have been changes to some CSD where they are now helping on self serve checkouts too. Pfs has gone single manned. Wages and cash office processes have been updated and slimmed down. Bakery in a bake-off is far less labour intensive than it used to be with many items coming in frozen that just need defrosted.
All areas need to work together and deliver the whole store. No dept is more important than another. Deliveries need to be worked. Payment needs to be taken. Colleagues need to be paid. Stock levels need to show accurate book stocks. Labels need to be legal etc. There may be days when one process is harder to deliver than others but it's not always going to be the same one.

NorthbyNorthwest

There is a massive disconnect Redshoes between HO's understanding of a job role and what the job role entails ( whether you're a colleague or manager ). The key thing that HO does not understand is the goodwill that some of us give the company to get thing's done. As they insist on micromanaging processes, those processes may fall down. Without the goodwill of staff, and then being scheduled to areas at certain times that may not need it, we'll see issues. You are correct that everyone needs to work together, but I feel the scheduling program could sow even further division's and stores could end up in worst states than they are now.

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