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Team Managers about to get demoted-lose pay!

Started by markwinters, 29-12-22, 11:06AM

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Mrbline

Quote from: Redshoes on 31-12-22, 08:18AM
Quote from: londoner83 on 30-12-22, 09:07PMRedshoes- are you saying senior team are on the way out then?

I don't have any inside info. It's just my guess.
I think to get store to structure will be top. That starts with senior team and then team managers. Store managers could end up with more than one store in some small superstores.
Then I think the serve, pick and fill will kick in big time. The closer a store is to structure the less this will impact colleagues. Any depts that are over hours will be more likely be expected to support other areas that are under hours.
Wages and admin could be hit as a result of managers moving towards an admin role and relating to a more online process of booking holiday etc. The launch of booking hols online was paused until after Christmas, it's on its way.
I think CSD opening hours could be reduced. For us they are busy mornings and afternoons but less so in the evenings. I have heard of stores where the desk has been moved.
I think anyone who has time to chat or manages to take extended breaks needs to expect a bigger workload that could be in a different area. The hours are going to be tight.



There is a trail going on where the system moves people out of the red hours to under hours department

Example you will be rotad for check outs then dairy then grocery

rogerthedodger

It's Happening for Sure middle of January to make sure all in place and trained for next Xmas.
Night leads going and Numerous Days managers offer of protection pay and step down to be replaced by Team Leaders/shift leaders

SAMCRO

I work in a large superstore. Current structure is -

Store Manager
Senior Manager
4 Team Managers
3 Shift Leaders

100+ GAs

It's a farce, every day is a struggle. The future is bleak.

trolleyboy96

Agree with the above, the other week I needed some air went outside, decided enough was enough and would happily thrown myself in front of a passing bus, shift leader stopped me as he couldn't figure out how to turn the cash office alarm off, called me at the split second. Things are bad and won't get any better.

OvaSees

Quote from: NightAndDay on 01-01-23, 03:00PMIt's been widely enough publicised that Tesco won't be the biggest grocer in the UK by the end of this decade, but that to be fair is down to factors outside their control, Aldi and Lidl will continuously take market share away as they build more stores around the country (the cost of living crisis also lends itself well to their operational model of fewer SKUs and low number of staff) and there's also the sizable elephant in the room which is Amazon planning on entering the brick and mortar grocery business also with a view to take the number 1 spot.
Of course there are external influences in the market but that's been the case for as long as the market has existed and for the century or so Tesco has been around, however such factors did not prevent Tesco growing into what it did or gaining and maintaining a position of market leadership for more than a quarter of a century. Tesco's future is entirely within Tesco's control but is currently a predominantly self-inflicted state of affairs as a result of a long series of poor decisions at strategic levels, too much dependency on data, too much centralisation, too much rigidity in its process-driven approach to store operations, a loss of retail sensibility through shedding of genuine retail talent and acumen leading to a loss of poeple who could & would say what was wrong and a lack of innovation plus a 'cut your way to prosperity' attitude all underpinned by an air of arrogance arising from it living in an echo chamber of its own creation. In short, Tesco is no longer driven by being first for customers its driven by being first for stakeholders - unless it drastically changes course it's more reasonable to conclude that given it's current direction and market headwinds management strategy is to structure the business for an inevitable future sale and is trying to attract potential suitors without publicly saying they want to sell by aligning itself, its culture and its structure with them, ie Amazon.

Mrbline

Quote from: SAMCRO on 01-01-23, 07:20PMI work in a large superstore. Current structure is -

Store Manager
Senior Manager
4 Team Managers
3 Shift Leaders

100+ GAs

It's a farce, every day is a struggle. The future is bleak.

Night fill or twilight

Mickymouse1962

I am lucky ocupational health saud I cant be moved from my department to any that involve any type of heavy lifting or repapative things ie shop floor checkout dot come nothing just security

Harvey

I have heard that lead mgr positions are potentially going & there is a trial at the moment of store manager, team managers & shift leaders, anybody else heard this

Beanny

I think they will have to keep lead mgrs on days in extra stores to deputise the store manager. Night lead team will be made redundant as to be honest they just fill an isle and are a waste of £50k a year. Team mgrs and shift leaders will run night shift until they are made redundant as Tesco phase out these shifts to save money!

trolleyboy96

Superstores and metro's if there's any left already have the structure with no leads, all that happens is there's a store manager buddy who should take the A for the shop when the store manager is off, we never hear from the buddy manager, so in all in all we get more stuff done on these weeks.

Hammer10

We are recruiting shift leaders on our nights who is mug enough to do the job for a poxy 1.86 an hour stuff that all that responsibility and c**p that goes with it.

madness

Quote from: trolleyboy96 on 03-01-23, 08:45PMSuperstores and metro's if there's any left already have the structure with no leads, all that happens is there's a store manager buddy who should take the A for the shop when the store manager is off, we never hear from the buddy manager, so in all in all we get more stuff done on these weeks.
Yes we used to get so much more done when the SM was off.

No 2 hour long walkrounds because 1 item isnt faced up or a single label is missing. No stupid focus on bubbles.

Bobmay

Quote from: whatajoke2019 on 01-01-23, 12:18PMI know DL was bad but KM seems to be hell bent on running us into an iceberg and making sure they are safely on their way in their lifeboats, *should* this rumour be true.

We all know it's not long before there's potentially a raft of changes to "simplify the business" but speculation (which I feel this is, sorry) at the time of our cost of living crisis doesn't help anyone.

Personal opinion but if they want Aldi/Lidl to be first & second in the 'Big Four' they certainly are going the right way about helping them get there quicker than they think.

This 'investing' business isn't fooling customers as it sure as hell isn't being used to lower prices for them at the expense of having feet on the floor to deliver the operation  ???

That is what Tesco will do soon decrease the staff numbers fo reflect like aldi and lidl.Why have loads of staff when you csn have an few staff who are timed.


NightAndDay

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Quote from: Bobmay on 04-01-23, 10:03AM
Quote from: whatajoke2019 on 01-01-23, 12:18PMI know DL was bad but KM seems to be hell bent on running us into an iceberg and making sure they are safely on their way in their lifeboats, *should* this rumour be true.

We all know it's not long before there's potentially a raft of changes to "simplify the business" but speculation (which I feel this is, sorry) at the time of our cost of living crisis doesn't help anyone.

Personal opinion but if they want Aldi/Lidl to be first & second in the 'Big Four' they certainly are going the right way about helping them get there quicker than they think.

This 'investing' business isn't fooling customers as it sure as hell isn't being used to lower prices for them at the expense of having feet on the floor to deliver the operation  ???

That is what Tesco will do soon decrease the staff numbers fo reflect like aldi and lidl.Why have loads of staff when you csn have an few staff who are timed.

It won't work, Lidl and Aldi's operational model also depends on having fewer SKUs meaning they can bulk buy more of the same product for cheaper, unless Tesco simplifies their range significantly, they will not realize the cost savings from having fewer SKUs, fewer SKUs also mean less hours on replenishing and therefore cost savings on labour, something Tesco wouldn't be able to replicate as is.

It would be a big strategic mistake on Tescos part if they don't differentiate Lidl and Aldi's model from the rest of the competition and attempt a hybrid approach, people shop at Tesco for the  range, not the lack of it, they would lose more customers if they tried to do that approach.

Hammer10

Going off in a tangent sainsburys paying staff 11 pounds an hour from february.

Biskie

Quote from: rogerthedodger on 01-01-23, 06:24PMIt's Happening for Sure middle of January to make sure all in place and trained for next Xmas.
Night leads going and Numerous Days managers offer of protection pay and step down to be replaced by Team Leaders/shift leaders
Has anyone checked out the updated payment protection policy recently - if you think you're going to be affected I would definitely give it a look!

OvaSees

Quote from: NightAndDay on 04-01-23, 12:23PMIt would be a big strategic mistake on Tescos part if they don't differentiate Lidl and Aldi's model from the rest of the competition and attempt a hybrid approach, people shop at Tesco for the  range, not the lack of it, they would lose more customers if they tried to do that approach.
Spot on. They already failed to learn that with Jacks, but I'm sure they'll keep trying to emulate rather than innovate. You can't retrograde an over-complicated, centralised, bloated business that started small and scaled up to that in order to match another that started small and was built from the ground up to eliminate waste, inefficiencies and cost. Tesco isn't leading it's being led by ALDI and Lidl.

Bobmay

Quote from: Hammer10 on 04-01-23, 02:27PMGoing off in a tangent sainsburys paying staff 11 pounds an hour from february.

They will being cutting staff in tesco my guess is former metros which have become express they will cut the staff number down remove the staff who work night and replace it with either twilight or morning filling.They will also cut managers in large stores replace with shift leaders.

Sherwoodforest

Does everyone agree bobmay itching for redundancy?



Mrbline

Quote from: Harvey on 03-01-23, 07:44PMI have heard that lead mgr positions are potentially going & there is a trial at the moment of store manager, team managers & shift leaders, anybody else heard this

Yea 2 stores on my group cat 10 as well

NorthbyNorthwest

I see something different in regards to leads going.  The company, in their last conference said that shift leaders have been a 'great success' and that more will be rolled out. Since then silence, however existing line managers got shafted in the pre Christmas pay award. The structure I see going forward is
Store Manager
Deputy/Lead Manager(s) depending on size of store
Shift Leaders, amount depending on size of store again.
If leads were removed you take out a layer of future store managers, the jump from line to store manager is one that I'm sure many wouldn't want to do. Leads have been untouched by all the new 'simplifications' and are still mouldable to the 'Tesco dream', many line managers have simply had enough now.

NightAndDay

The jump could easily go Team Manager to Express SM to Large Express SM to ex-Metro Express SM to Small SS SM, Lead Teams would be surplus to requirements with the introduction of Shift Leaders, with more feet on the floor and duties being done by SLs, TMs can take over the admin responsibilities of Lead Managers. Senior TMs can become WL3 trained and dismiss staff if needed.

There wouldn't be any cost savings in getting rid of TMs as Shift Leaders aren't on much less, it definitely makes sense from a commercial perspective to oust leads for Shift Leaders.

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