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Hi when will we hear if we are getting a payrise next year for hourly paid staff

We have a pay rise in November this year anyway. The negations  🤔 start again soon, and we would hear outcome next year in June I think .

“Negotiations starting soon” oh great what benefits we loosing this time?

By then, supposedly it will be Ken Murphy taking the helm, so expect even more mickey mouse reviews along the lines of "20% increase over 3 years" and the small print saying they'll get rid of bank holiday and sunday premium and continue to freeze night premiums (the night premium being frozen again will not go down well however as it's been frozen for the past 4 years, dwindling pay differentials on night premium will increase staff turnover of night workers (by pay differentials, i mean night premium rate as a proportion of base rate, £2.21 night premium an hour with a base rate of £7.68 an hour (which was the last time it had a raise) is almost 30% of the base rate, in November it will be £9.30 with night premium still at £2.21, which is just over 20%  of the base rate.)

I read somewhere that as tax payers we will be paying for COVID for 40 years. As a company we have had to pay for the cost of COVID too. This is not the time for anybody to expect a huge pay rise. At a time when a lot of places are heading towards closure and redundancies, and it looks like we are going to have a record number of people out of work which adds to the tax bill as we have to pay benefits too so I would expect minimal increase.

Anybody told Dave Lewis that  ???

Quote from: dotnochance on 21-07-20, 09:51AM
“Negotiations starting soon” oh great what benefits we loosing this time?

We are gaining more duties as cleaners are gone ;D ;D ;D so tesco will not make any cuts to anger the workers

Yeah they can get f***ed with cleaning my extra, it takes like 6 cleaners 6 hours to do a full clean every day

It’s for Express and Metro stores only.
Which to be honest makes sense in the Express stores.
It’s really not that hard to clean up after yourselfs in the back areas is it now.
As for the shop floor most expresses are not that big that a colleague cannot go round in 30-60 Mins with a mop and bucket each day.
And let’s be honest if there’s a spillage you would clean it up there and then, not leave it most of the day till the contract cleaner turns up, who probably only gets an hour maybe two to do the entire shop.
It might also highlight the feral colleagues in stores, who think nothing of destroying the toilets and leaving it for cleaners to deal with, not to mention how they leave the officers/eating areas.

It is fine with staff cleaning the store. It is normal. Problem is that tesco will not add extra hours for  such tasks. For years we are going through structure change.  Every time when we lost some hours it was said it's because of the cuts in workload or/and people will move to another department. But in fact it turned out to be more work/tasks but less hours.

Another thing I would like to point out.  When Tesco closed chicken counter in our store cleaning company were told that they will move hours to other areas but instead Tesco eventually cut hours even more but when I speak to cleaners they say they are asked to pick up even more work, same will happen with Tesco staff.

Bare in mind it is not a problem to have budget to do the work, problem is to have people who can do the job.

Quote from: Redshoes on 22-07-20, 07:30AM
I read somewhere that as tax payers we will be paying for COVID for 40 years. As a company we have had to pay for the cost of COVID too. This is not the time for anybody to expect a huge pay rise. At a time when a lot of places are heading towards closure and redundancies, and it looks like we are going to have a record number of people out of work which adds to the tax bill as we have to pay benefits too so I would expect minimal increase.

The past 2 pay reviews have been among the worst in Tescos recent history and this was before the Corona Outbreak, the end result of these was staggered dates of implementation (the 2 year pay review lasted 2 years and a few months) and the NLW being within a few pence of the new rate in April. Tescos ca rate goes up to £9.30 an hour in November, the national living wage at the moment is £8.72, whether the government will let the coronavirus impact their next next increase is up to them, but with the decrease in VAT to 5% on food, tourist attractions and alcohol, it would suggest they're looking at alternate measures to both, give businesses breathing room and enhance standard of living by not mandating a below inflation increase. With this in mind, at the very least the next pay review can't be much worse than what we've already had.

Quote from: Redshoes on 22-07-20, 07:30AM
I read somewhere that as tax payers we will be paying for COVID for 40 years. As a company we have had to pay for the cost of COVID too. This is not the time for anybody to expect a huge pay rise. At a time when a lot of places are heading towards closure and redundancies, and it looks like we are going to have a record number of people out of work which adds to the tax bill as we have to pay benefits too so I would expect minimal increase.

Just remember the company was more than happy to make bakers redundant at the height of the crisis..... the more this joke of a company wants minimal staff to do they can dam well pay for it.Lewis disappears into the sunset with a massive bonus,remember that s*** aswell.My advise to everyone work to rule snail pace is what your getting paid for.

Was going to mention about Drastic and his huge bonuses! How did he warrant that?. Won't be any better with the latest one coming in!

Night and Day.

The pay rise takes effect from 04 October 2020, not November.

Quote from: King1999 on 22-07-20, 03:32PM

Quote from: Redshoes on 22-07-20, 07:30AM
I read somewhere that as tax payers we will be paying for COVID for 40 years. As a company we have had to pay for the cost of COVID too. This is not the time for anybody to expect a huge pay rise. At a time when a lot of places are heading towards closure and redundancies, and it looks like we are going to have a record number of people out of work which adds to the tax bill as we have to pay benefits too so I would expect minimal increase.

Just remember the company was more than happy to make bakers redundant at the height of the crisis..... the more this joke of a company wants minimal staff to do they can dam well pay for it.Lewis disappears into the sunset with a massive bonus,remember that s*** aswell.My advise to everyone work to rule snail pace is what your getting paid for.

This was already happening, it just continued. Tech have gone, I was tech so I have been affected but moved into a different role now. Changes will always continue to happen. Things generally get simpler and as such they have a loss in hours. Nobody should be thinking that things for them will just stay the same, companies evolve. Shopping patterns change. We need to adapt. Tech was popular with customers but did not make a profit so it went.

Yeah agree with change but treating your workforce like s*** will only make a tosco a less attractive place to work.Really can’t see it changing though,they have zero value on staff now.Getting overstretched staff cleaning stores is a prime example of we are working you to breaking point while we sit in our ivory towers thinking it’s all brilliant.Feel like the business has been run down since Lewis has been at the helm.Time will tell I guess.

Quote from: Morris999 on 22-07-20, 10:56AM
It’s for Express and Metro stores only.
Which to be honest makes sense in the Express stores.
It’s really not that hard to clean up after yourselfs in the back areas is it now.
As for the shop floor most expresses are not that big that a colleague cannot go round in 30-60 Mins with a mop and bucket each day.
And let’s be honest if there’s a spillage you would clean it up there and then, not leave it most of the day till the contract cleaner turns up, who probably only gets an hour maybe two to do the entire shop.
It might also highlight the feral colleagues in stores, who think nothing of destroying the toilets and leaving it for cleaners to deal with, not to mention how they leave the officers/eating areas.

this is quite a post from someone who clearly has no experience of what its like to work in a busy express store. the cleaning of spillages and chiller cabinets are already done by colleagues, the cleaner does 2-2.5 hrs a day cleaning . they work none stop during this time doing work that is not always pleasant and what they complete in a morning has to be maintained ,by colleagues,throughout the day.  this 14 hrs a week minimum will come out of an already stretched pool of staff hours and only a fool would think these are going to be added to a store budget. its another example of rewarding hard work and effort with more work.
you should do a bit of research before posting speculative nonsense at a time when already pressured people are being put under more strain.   

To do the cleaning stores will get extra budget so it says then in a few months when budgets are reset see this extra vanish.

I know its about small formats but let me give an example from our SS. When we are asked to do some cleaning (shelves, chillers) whole team is loosing, for example 15 worker *30 minutes = 7.5h. It is one whole shift.
It is a masive lost especially our store need 17 workers when we have super super small deloivery (for example no produce delivery) and up to 22 on busiest days. So that extra cleaning task is a killer.
It has to be done, it is a fact but there is simply no man power in the building. So how Express can do it??

[admin]Please: Cleaners & cleaning thread.  (https://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?topic=17387.0)is here.[/admin]

So will they be looking after the drivers after they took away our market supplement and we are busier than ever?

Laughs in board members increased bonuses

Some of you know, what is actual payment for 2020 premium night working hours and what specific times  it covers?

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Thank you for sharing it, but it looks quite old since it is from 2018, so my another question is: do we have any staff handbook, which clearly states all of that?
or do you now where I can download staff handbook in pdf formant, for years: (2019/20 , or even this older from 2018..)

Thanks for help!

No handbooks now, everything online.

Pay rise is 4th oct , shows in the16th October wage

If Jason Tarry wants to put his name to casting people's terms of employment down the river, good for him. At least the last one Matt something saw that this was rotten and didn't want to work for this s***.

I spend few hours on  “colleague-help.ourtesco ---> Pay-and-Benefits” and I found that in all 2019/20 information booklets it states that:

“Sunday / Bank Holiday premiums, Skills Payments, Location Pay and Night Premiums all remain unchanged.”

The problem is that I can’t find there any official information about night time hour  rate premium for the night staff , so if you have links, or any pdf booklet wich states all that ,please share with me.

Quote from: Arin on 17-09-20, 01:26PM
Some of you know, what is actual payment for 2020 premium night working hours and what specific times  it covers?

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If I remember correctly it's £2.21 extra per hour, for hours worked between 00.00 and 06.00, with an additional payment of £2.21 if you work all 6 of these hours and that hasn't changed in a few years. 

The additional £2.21 is a one off payment for any hours before midnight that you get if you also work the full 6 hours between midnight and 6 am

Close but not quite, it's if you work 22:00-00:00 and the full night premium window of 00:00-06:00, then you get the extra £2.21 on top of the £2.21 per hour between 00:00-06:00 - break entitlement.

Suffice to say it's nowhere near as good as 5 years ago.

I see that we have many differentiations here - in this situation the most relevant supposed to be staff  handbook.pdf from 2018 , can some of you share link to this one, or can you share it here - I just want to have official informations, big thanks in advance :)

night premium is £2.21 per hour between 00.00 and 06.00.  You then get the £2.21 top up if you work these hours plus an hour either before or after that.  So you could work 00.00 to 07.00 and you would get the extra.  At my store at the time we worked 22.00 to 06.00 with 30 min break so the new way wasn't too bad apart from your short day where leaving at 0500 would mean no top up hour.

What date in October does this last part of our 2 year pay rise kick in?

04 October.

Thanks

Any updates on this years pay review.

Morrisons i hear went to £10 a hour for lowest paid staff members a few weeks ago

Well Union is negotiating permanent 15% discount and pay rate of £12 per hour. Tesco is negotiating no discount at all and no payrise as past year was very difficult.

Do you have a source for this information? Not calling you a liar, but this is the same union that let past the downgrade of Sunday and Bank holiday premium from time and a half to time and a quarter for a 16p increase in pay, not to mention the recent 2 year Jim'll Fixit It Mickey Mouse pay reviews given to employees, granted the last one was ok, but a damn sight worse than what is essentially a 33% increase in the pay and additional benefits you say they're negotiating.

Add to this £12 an hour is more than what some semi-skilled workers make.

Past year was difficult? lol f*** off tesco no it wasn't you made a s*** ton of money. and they day the union negotiate that deal will be the day hell freezes over.

They've done all they can to male it difficult for staff ........ bleating s*** as usual twatco.

I think quite a few people would take 12 quid an hour and no discount,but I think who ever told you discount is going should be listened to with a pinch of salt

I'd be very surprised if they ever got rid of discount. Whole point of it is to keep you loyal. They know they're getting average family monthly shop of £400 back out of your wages.

It's sort of an expected perk these days, virtually every other competitor offers a 10% discount. I don't even work for Tesco and get a 20% discount through the employee benefits portal.

The thing with discount is its cost effective. they tell you its worth a thousand quid (not sure of the exact amount) of discounted goods per year but how many actually hit that. I know about 5 people in our store who do run out the rest get nowhere near.

You have to put 10k through the tills to max out your discount and Tesco can tell you 'Hey look on top of your wages we are giving you an extra 1k'

The reality is quite different though. I have long fought for and asked for them to give out whatever you dont use as cash at the end of the year, But at union meetings and regional forum meetings I was met with stoney silence from Area Organisers and the regional manager (who changed virtualy on a yearly basis also)

So yep discount is great but I would give it up for the extra guaranteed in my pay packet.

One guy who wrote on our tesco ran out in Nov. That's well over £300 a week he was spending

I know quite a few people who run out but they tend to have large families etc.

I think that to remove the limit until March is more to do with sales than helping staff
They are fully aware of how much this perk is worth to staff and if the amount of staff who have used there allowance has increased greatly then this will effect there sales.

They removed it because of issues at least 100+ had of discount going from like 600 to 200 after spending £5 or a £1 or £35 etc.... With their balances completely disappearing and such.  It was later reported in the media that clubcards were being cloned, and some had it confirmed they had their 2nd clubcards transactions were fraudulent.  So it's not a "hey, thanks for all you guys are doing (we know that with 15% you run out quicker so we gave you a bit extra), it's "we've screwed up" by not fixing the internal issues of discounts not working properly and the high number of fraud, so we are using that as cover.

Quote from: lordadmiral on 10-02-21, 09:12PM
Well Union is negotiating permanent 15% discount and pay rate of £12 per hour. Tesco is negotiating no discount at all and no payrise as past year was very difficult.

i read that post as a mickey take

Quote from: NightAndDay on 10-02-21, 09:28PM
Do you have a source for this information? Not calling you a liar, but this is the same union that let past the downgrade of Sunday and Bank holiday premium from time and a half to time and a quarter for a 16p increase in pay, not to mention the recent 2 year Jim'll Fixit It Mickey Mouse pay reviews given to employees, granted the last one was ok, but a damn sight worse than what is essentially a 33% increase in the pay and additional benefits you say they're negotiating.

Add to this £12 an hour is more than what some semi-skilled workers make.

Info about rate and discount come from Union rep. But Tesco 0% discount and no payrise it's my sarcasm.
To be honest each time negotiations are 'similar'.
U:We want this n that!!!
T:Get stuffed!!!
U:Ok, we cud accept bit less?!
T:Not really, competition is opening new stores!
U:Hmmm, yeah that's true.
T:See, told you we have no money to spend.
U: But if we move the s*** here and put more c**p over there we cud get a bit!
T:Great! I love the way you are thinking. 25p pay rise with reduced premiums by 15 pence sounds good. Ufff it's hard to negotiate eith you, see you next time.
U: Yeeeeah! Another amazing victory . Bit over 1% pay rise. Quick inform press!!!!

Sunday premium going?

Anyone got any ideas as to when we might hear the outcome of the current pay negotiations?

Quote from: sscn2604 on 17-02-21, 08:52PM
Sunday premium going?

If not this pay review, probably next one, they made a big deal over "no change to premiums" last pay review and their message around wage strategy is that "colleagues prefer a higher rate of basic pay." It's on the cards and I'm almost certain it will be handled the same way as before, a token insult of something along the lines of a 20p increase in pay along with coronavirus and fierce competition being justification for the "competitive increase" they'll make it sound like they're the spirit of generosity.

It's got to be on the agenda if not this year then probably in next few. When Sunday opening first launched Tesco struggled to recruit people to work Sundays and thus paid a premium to get them to do so.
With millions unemployed Tesco in 2021 could easily find people willing to work at single time on Sunday if it wanted to.

There's also a race to the bottom amongst a lot of companies. They'll point to other firms having withdrawn unsocial allowances and say it's now "industry practice" or somesuch babble.

Sunday takes more money than mon, tues and wed, for us anyway. Trading times is only one hour later opening and one hour earlier closing as I’m in a Scottish store. Key trading times for us is 1000-2200 as that’s when bws is open. Trade outside these times is much quieter, no matter what day of the week it is.
It is still difficult to fill shifts on either a sat or sun. A late shift on a sun is as hard to fill as a sat late.
We are not an extra so we only have one manager in at a time. The morning is all about the fresh delivery and the evening is all about grocery. The managers are on overtime and not contracted. With a small team this means a full time manager works six days at least once a month.
A few things to be addressed regarding Sunday’s. Going out of store, a few things don’t happen even on a Saturday. The offices don’t function on a sat as a normal working day, let alone Sunday.
For me, I would gladly have Sunday as a contracted day. I would love two days off in the week but it’s not going to happen. Some people want the overtime, some want the day off. We are not clones and we all have our own reasons for working or not working.
The store managers take it in turn to work sundays, they don’t get paid, they have to take time back. Some store managers do Sunday rota from home so are “on call” but others do shift in store.
Saturday used to be a premium paid day. I think Sunday premium pay is on its way out but I don’t think will be for a few years yet. If premium pay is removed the whole contracted days structure needs to be removed.

Love the talk how much money Sunday takes. There is nothing like 40k on Sunday vs 150k on Saturday or Frida but Sunday still takes more. Then we come in the evenings, stock barely touched and day staff moaning how bussy it was and how record high( ehm low) sale was.
I worked i few stores and Sunday always was takeing the lowest or one of the lowest sale by hour or whole trading day.
Can anyone explain me what makes Sunday so special as everyone is talking about?

In Scotland it’s just another day. The local extra is 24/7. As I said, we just shave an hour off each end of day in my store so we are 0800-2200. We do take more money.
If in England a store may still take more money or considering how long it’s open for take more money. This is not going to be the case in every single store. I can only talk for the five stores I have worked in.
We only get a fresh delivery on sundays but a double delivery on Saturday that is sometimes not fully worked and goes into Sunday. We have less people working on grocery on sundays as it should just be to turn the back stock

For us in an extra on Sunday, it's the hardest day to work, this is a UK store.
On fresh there can be 3 people, aybe 4 if lucky for the whole day. With 1 doing waste and reductions, that means we've 2 people to work all backstock on fresh, any left over delivery that is there and do all the promo changes that come down.

Grocery is the same, there's literally 2 people in on Sunday morning, 1 back door and 1 staff and then back door changes over at 1. That means there's one person on a Sunday for grocery to work all cages that are needed, do the promo changes etc etc.

Sunday may not always be busy customer wise, but job wise it's an intense day.

Sales per hour in my store are far higher than many other hours in the week. Im in a extra and the heatmap allows most departments very few staff in, so any sickness or uncovered holiday can cause real operational problems.

Whats all this s*** gotta do with 'Pay review 2021'?

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Good evening, could someone tell me how much a newly signed off manager earns in Scotland?

Sainsbury’s payrise 20p an hour to £9.50, somewhat short of Morrison’s £10 ph and no doubt a good indication of Tesco’s eventual offer

Quote from: Laura123 on 25-02-21, 10:32PM
Good evening, could someone tell me how much a newly signed off manager earns in Scotland?

Depends on store format, Tesco Extra TMs are on about £24k a year to start with, normal superstores about £22.5k a year, Cat 1/2 Express SMs between £26-29k a year.

If we get a 20p pay rise and the inevitable Sunday premium, I’m well and truly f***ed for money, and sure as s*** can’t look for another job

Unless it’s a multi year deal again, I cannot see Tesco only giving 20p for a 1 year pay rise.
It would equal about 1.8% rise which Tesco wouldn’t be able to justify with losing what’s left of the Sunday premium too which people are speculating about.
I’d say it will be a multi year deal, probably rising by 20p for the first part around November with the aim to hit £10 per hour by Xmas 2022 with the potential loss of Sunday premiums in 2023.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/sainsburys-argos-workers-pay-rise-135241913.html

Looks like Sainsbury's staff are also getting another (they already had 2 last year) bonus as well as the pay-rise. Equivalent of about £530 for a full-time worker according to the above article.

Tesco are gonna stiff us again. c**p pay-rise and no additional bonus.

Someone on another thread has posted we are getting a 3% pay increase in June. Anyone know if there is any truth in this? As far as I was aware, the pay negotiations are still ongoing.

I remember seeing a poster up saying "2021 pay review" but I didn't read it. I will check if it says anything when I'm in today. It would make sense though, as when they cut pay in one place, they tend to make out there's a pay increase at the same time! Cutting Sunday Premium, and giving everyone an increase, for example

Thanks for that Cinderella

@fatboy, I think the 3% pay rise in June has been taken out of context.
I think there store manager was trying to say that if there was a pay rise in June then they would not get the rise due to protected pay, not that there actually is a pay rise in June.

The poster wasn't there when I checked today!

My store manager also told me that about the pay rise today, Morris.

So we loosing Sunday premium then?

Yes, probably not for another year or 2 yet though.

Stock and admin get cash in the new structure in some stores.

Cash going to stock and admin has been talked of for a long time. Manager side of it is mostly report based and fits within admin side of things. The financial audit, apart from PFS, will now all report to one manager.

Does anyone know when we can expect to hear the final details for the pay review 2021? What sort of time was it in previous years?

Normally announced around April/May but has been leaked early previously.

However, the latest model (i.e. two year deal with some "adjustments") has seen the first part of any pay increase not actually be actioned until late Autumn (November) -

So we can be pretty sure we'll be on the same money until at least Nov 2021.

And it's hard to envisage anything positive otherwise. So much of what Tesco were doing was merely complying with the National Living Wage - which over a period of a few years had increased by around 4.5% a year and was projected to reach £9-10 in the next year or two. However, Covid has created a different situation - and this year's increase from £8.72 to £8.91 was only 2.2% and therefore if we use that as a projection for future years then April 2022 might see a NLW of £9.10-£9.15 and April 2023 might be £9.35-£9.45. Of course the Govt can do this now because any above inflation increase is bad for companies - it costs them extra - the Govt don't want unemployment to race away so they want employers to keep employees or hire more - plus all the fallout from Covid resulting in certain industries seeing a larger loss of jobs -

Currently we are on £9.30 - so we're already safely above the April 2021 NLW (£8.91) and by my estimates above already above April 2022.

The flip side of the coin for Tesco is possibly comparing against competitors - do they want to compare against Aldi and Lidl - not really - colleagues in Aldi/Lidl do a completely different role - albeit our restructures might mean none of us have dept specific jobs anymore -

so that leaves Sainsbury - paying £9.50
Morrisons - ok they have just increased to £10.
Asda - I think they are also around £9.50 - but with all the debacle over new contracts for all.

So, as others have said on here - the options/possibilites are not all that great:

Base rate of pay may increase to £9.60 in Nov 2021, and possibly to £10 in Nov 2022. During this period of time, night/Sunday/BH premiums may be cut/removed.

So, going from £9.30 to £10 might in theory be 7.5% increase - but it will be over two years - and anyone that gets premiums as part of their contracted hours is likely to see an increase nearer to 3% over two years (if not a cut in wages as happened to some a few years ago).

I'd like to be wrong on this point - but I really cannot see anything more generous.

Thank you for a very concise and informative outlook on any pay rise Tesco's may offer

Quote from: barafear on 15-03-21, 02:02PM
Normally announced around April/May but has been leaked early previously.

However, the latest model (i.e. two year deal with some "adjustments") has seen the first part of any pay increase not actually be actioned until late Autumn (November) -

So we can be pretty sure we'll be on the same money until at least Nov 2021.

And it's hard to envisage anything positive otherwise. So much of what Tesco were doing was merely complying with the National Living Wage - which over a period of a few years had increased by around 4.5% a year and was projected to reach £9-10 in the next year or two. However, Covid has created a different situation - and this year's increase from £8.72 to £8.91 was only 2.2% and therefore if we use that as a projection for future years then April 2022 might see a NLW of £9.10-£9.15 and April 2023 might be £9.35-£9.45. Of course the Govt can do this now because any above inflation increase is bad for companies - it costs them extra - the Govt don't want unemployment to race away so they want employers to keep employees or hire more - plus all the fallout from Covid resulting in certain industries seeing a larger loss of jobs -

Currently we are on £9.30 - so we're already safely above the April 2021 NLW (£8.91) and by my estimates above already above April 2022.

The flip side of the coin for Tesco is possibly comparing against competitors - do they want to compare against Aldi and Lidl - not really - colleagues in Aldi/Lidl do a completely different role - albeit our restructures might mean none of us have dept specific jobs anymore -

so that leaves Sainsbury - paying £9.50
Morrisons - ok they have just increased to £10.
Asda - I think they are also around £9.50 - but with all the debacle over new contracts for all.

So, as others have said on here - the options/possibilites are not all that great:

Base rate of pay may increase to £9.60 in Nov 2021, and possibly to £10 in Nov 2022. During this period of time, night/Sunday/BH premiums may be cut/removed.

So, going from £9.30 to £10 might in theory be 7.5% increase - but it will be over two years - and anyone that gets premiums as part of their contracted hours is likely to see an increase nearer to 3% over two years (if not a cut in wages as happened to some a few years ago).

I'd like to be wrong on this point - but I really cannot see anything more generous.

Government laws are only one aspect of determining pay in pay reviews, they also have to consider factors such as staff turnover, reviews and exit interviews and market rates, though the economic forecast of our country is poor due to Brexit and Coronavirus, this is partially off-set by the decrease in interest rates by the BOE, this means borrowing money is a more attractive proposition, the economy will likely recover this year or next so the below inflation NLW increases should only be in place for a year or 2 before incrementally getting better.

The competition will be the dominant factor in the upcoming pay review rather than the NLW, despite claims that Tesco doesn't care about staff turnover or "natural wastage" figures, the higher it gets the more money they have to spend on recruiting, training etc, in short, cost savings of not paying staff who leave will be paid for in other areas such as recruitment and training, they therefore have to maintain natural wastage figures to keep operation costs down.

With this being the case, I see 2 options, £10 an hour over a 2 year period including the scrapping of premium payments (except night premium) or £9.50 an hour with premiums maintained, anything worse than this and it would effect natural wastage figures.

This year has been a tough one for many the cost of living has spiralled the odd 20p / 30p per hour in may be November does not cut it. In order for the company to get decent people we need to at least match/ better the other supermarkets.

Do we though.....

The rest of retail is collapsing around us and working in a supermarket has been proven thru the pandemic to be secure employment. Suspect many would join us in the months ahead if pay didn't change and some would still if it was even cut.

Would be nice to get a big rise but when the government considers only 1% as affordable I don't think its likely we can expect 10%.

Maybe not but if they gave us an increase in say November then it would need to match or be better than n m W proposed in the following budget, it may be in order for the lscrapping of the extra for up per week ,those in work would get a better deal .

Sunday/BH premium is (basic rate x1.25) the more B.R. goes up the higher premium would be. Tesco might offer us £10p/h but Premium might be as a flat rate , for ex £2. It is one of the reasons x1.5 went down to x1.25 to save money when basic rate went up.

Do not forget statement regarding COVID staff. Tesco will say that they cant give decent payrise as company is overspending on payroll so with such army of emplyees they cant affotrd it.

They are only overspending on the budget given to shop floor workers though, it doesn't detract from their capability to give an adequate raise, I guarantee the head office employees and white collar management team will get raises that are adequate.

Hiya,

I was just wondering (please delete if not allowed) how legit the information I'm hearing about the equal pay claim that is going through at the moment? I've read a couple of articles but wondered if anyone knew any more about it...

Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask!

Metalfan. X

Yeah, it's been going on for a couple of years now. We may or may not win the case and if we do it'll probably take years before we get through the courts and get any money. You can sign up on the Leigh Day website (just Google Leigh Day Tesco or something). Tesco are not allowed to discriminate against you just because you are one of the thousands who have signed up or they can be done for unfair treatment etc. I don't think much is going on with it currently, probably due to the courts not really functioning properly due to Covid. It's all legit.

Supreme court judgement against Asda tomorrow I've heard.

Asda won, let see what gonna happened next.

Asda loses Supreme Court appeal in equal pay fight (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56534988)

QuoteThousands of Asda supermarket workers have won a major victory at the Supreme Court in their battle for equal pay.

The court upheld an earlier court ruling that lower-paid shop staff, who are mostly women, can compare themselves with higher paid warehouse workers, who are mostly men.

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Hi does anyone know how much the 'Thank you' bonus is for hourly paid colleagues  yet? I'm guessing it's a % of earnings from  the 20/21 finacial year also it rumblings about a pay rise this year yet ???

Been informed it's 2%. Probably about £350 or something like that for a full-time customer assistant. Didn't think we would get anything so not going to complain too much.

2%
Absence isn't excluded so anyone who has been shielding should get aswell

Hardly seems fair if all those that have been at home shielding get the "reward"
When most of us have put up with the s***! Of the last 12 months Whilst they've been shielding. 

Where have you guys heard this ? I can't find any more information.

If In the pay review Sunday quarter pay is taken away I hope the company compensates the contracted Sunday staff, it was a kick in the teeth last time to lose it then get told we were 10% up through the 2 year pay deal.when we were down to begin with.

Even if it was 2 years worth the difference as a good gesture would go along way. After all, alot of staff commited to Sundays and have sacrificed the family day of the week atleast compensate us for our commitment over the years. Not just take with one hand to give with the other.

I really hope Ken Murphy shows more compassion to his staff in that respect, it will go along way to repair the damage caused by Dave Lewis over the years.

Quote from: Tommo1961 on 14-04-21, 03:21PM
Hardly seems fair if all those that have been at home shielding get the "reward"
When most of us have put up with the s***! Of the last 12 months Whilst they've been shielding.

Lol, why do you care what others get so long as you get what you so richly deserve.

Where has the info come from regarding the one off bonus for all colleagues?

It's on the weekly team 5.

Thanks smurf88  :thumbup:

The shielded colleagues will get it based on basic hours only. Everyone else will get it based on basic hours, OT, premiums and the few other bonus payments received for working through the pandemic

When will we get this bonus, next pay in May?

Quote from: forrestgimp on 14-04-21, 04:18PM

Quote from: Tommo1961 on 14-04-21, 03:21PM
Hardly seems fair if all those that have been at home shielding get the "reward"
When most of us have put up with the s***! Of the last 12 months Whilst they've been shielding.

Lol, why do you care what others get so long as you get what you so richly deserve.

Some would prefer to have ill health and hand outs than be at work ???

Quote from: Spidercatcher on 15-04-21, 12:36AM
When will we get this bonus, next pay in May?

Think its the end of June pay

Yes its June payday for hourly paid colleagues.

May for salaried colleagues.

Thanks to both replies.   :thumbup:

We've not had a team 5 yet ..whats the deal with the bonus please ?

Whats a team 5??  ;D

Tesco talk for putting work related notices and business decisions/events on the white board in the staff room.

Love how hourly paid colleagues are getting 2% in June but managers are getting 2.5% in May. So much for one team 8-)

Sitting safe from Covid in the office has got to be worth 0.5%  :(

Quote from: Davethebave on 14-04-21, 09:54PM
The shielded colleagues will get it based on basic hours only. Everyone else will get it based on basic hours, OT, premiums and the few other bonus payments received for working through the pandemic

It says 'previous recognition bonuses' arent included?

Quote from: fatboy on 15-04-21, 04:40PM
Love how hourly paid colleagues are getting 2% in June but managers are getting 2.5% in May. So much for one team 8-)

The manager bonus is the yearly one they have had for the past few years, and is nothing to do with the COVID bonus colleagues are getting.
In fact as it stood this morning managers are not getting a COVID bonus at all.

Ahhh misread the FAQ lol

Well done morris999. Couldnt agree more.

Quote from: Sweetie Wife on 15-04-21, 02:07AM

Quote from: forrestgimp on 14-04-21, 04:18PM

Quote from: Tommo1961 on 14-04-21, 03:21PM
Hardly seems fair if all those that have been at home shielding get the "reward"
When most of us have put up with the s***! Of the last 12 months Whilst they've been shielding.

Lol, why do you care what others get so long as you get what you so richly deserve.

Some would prefer to have ill health and hand outs than be at work ???

Show me one single person who would rather be ill and get a few quid than be healthy. I get the feeling this is more about your own sensibilities than anything 'Oh look at them getting what I want but cant have'

Quick question- i'm leaving Tesco after 3 years at end of April - I worked throughout the full year and I wonder if I receive my colleague bonus 2% in June?
What if my P45 is processed, does that stop me from getting this payment?
Thanks

You won't qualify for the bonus unless your still employed on the 25th June

That's some proper BS.
Been working my ass off in the midst of pandemic, pulling all overtime to cover for people who were shielding, always getting wow comments for my hard work and now I can't even get the money i deserve. Bad timing of leaving but i'm moving to London and I asked my manager if ahe can put me on Unpaid Leave for 6 weeks just so i can be on payroll but she said i can't. So fecking much for being glorified for being able to work hard, but when it comes to get something back you get a simple: i can't do it.

Why not go off sick with stress, get the bonus then quit?

Quote from: pixpix on 17-04-21, 11:13AM
That's some proper BS.
Been working my ass off in the midst of pandemic, pulling all overtime to cover for people who were shielding, always getting wow comments for my hard work and now I can't even get the money i deserve. Bad timing of leaving but i'm moving to London and I asked my manager if ahe can put me on Unpaid Leave for 6 weeks just so i can be on payroll but she said i can't. So fecking much for being glorified for being able to work hard, but when it comes to get something back you get a simple: i can't do it.

I have not read the terms and conditions but they do tend to state you have to still be employed on a given date. Nothing the store can do to change that.
I would not advise you do as Nightandday has suggested. You have already handed in your notice, you have complained about the bins and you have set your move plans in place. If you have moved out of the area and have started your new life in a new area you are not sick. Saying that you are prevents someone moving into your old job role, you will need a fit note from a dr and chances are you won't be believed so may depend on your manager on how far they take this.
I don't think any solution to any problem should be to lie your way out of it.

Just because someone leaves a job doesn't mean there will be a vacancy for it, the struggle is real for SM's needing to "lose hours", more likely than not, the vacancy will be removed so Tesco can save on payroll.

If she's already resigned, she's already resigned, if not (she says end of April, a 1 week notice is all that's required) then what I suggested is an option, with how Tesco treats their staff I personally think the staff should get what they can out of them quite frankly, but at the same time understand some people have a "moral obligation" (for what that's worth at Tesco).

I understand Team Managers start to receive their pay award letters from today. Anyone received theirs yet? If so what is the % increase if you received a met. I believe it was 3% last year.
This may also give some indication of what pay award hourly paid colleague's receive later this year.

Team managers don't get a blanket % for met. They will all get a different % based on where they lay in the pay scale for their role.

So we might both get met, you might get 3% to bring you higher up the scale and more in line with everyone else, where as I might only get 1% if I'm too high up the scale

Isn't it getting to that time of the year when we (general GAs) would actually hear about the "agreed pay review" - even though we know it won't be implemented until November or beyond!!

I know a couple of years ago it was leaked and they had to announce it in February - but I thought before then it was always announced in May?

I know they probably think we've been kept sweet by the "unexpected" 2% bonus!! But ......it would be nice to hear when the basic hourly pay will be hitting £10!!

New CEO since then, it would be under his remit to decide if they'll be new pay announcement periods.

He's a bigger axe wielder than Dave so wouldn't be surprised if he staggers pay reviews past the 1 year range to save a few months worth of money on enhanced payroll.

I would be surprised if this was in the CEO's remit - surely it's driven by the HR team (do we have a HR Team) or whoever deals with pay policies etc?

I would have thought that the regular "negotiations" with the Usdaw reps would have been happening now?
I know (or believe) that it's only about 10-12 of the "most senior reps" who sit in on these meetings and "fight" our corner.

I'm not waiting with baited breath because I can't see there being much positivity but just wondered whether anyone had access to "news from Usdaw" - actually I'm an Usdaw member - I wonder how I can ask about the latest negotiations?

Has anyone got any news on the pay rise for 2021? On the planning guide it's listed as hourly pay reviews ends week 15

I have heard its the 7th june we find out

Where you heard that from?

Was on a union page

When is this supposed 2% bonus to be paid? Does anyone have an inkling of just how it will be calculated.

Quote from: barafear on 11-05-21, 02:29PM
I would be surprised if this was in the CEO's remit - surely it's driven by the HR team (do we have a HR Team) or whoever deals with pay policies etc?

I would have thought that the regular "negotiations" with the Usdaw reps would have been happening now?
I know (or believe) that it's only about 10-12 of the "most senior reps" who sit in on these meetings and "fight" our corner.

I'm not waiting with baited breath because I can't see there being much positivity but just wondered whether anyone had access to "news from Usdaw" - actually I'm an Usdaw member - I wonder how I can ask about the latest negotiations?

The CPO/CHRO would still report to the CEO, the CEO would be consulted or at least informed of decisions around compensation from the CPO, this is typical of standard business structures, Tesco is quite typical in this regard and most likely will follow this structure, the CEO will still have input in this though as one of the CEO's key accountabilities is maintaining the shareprice for the shareholders, something which wages will factor in. The CEO has to see their vision or strategic end-point made reality, aspects such as work environment, role definitions,  wages, benefits and service offering is at the heart of what the CEO does and plans.

Quote from: Nellysonuk123 on 14-05-21, 09:18PM
When is this supposed 2% bonus to be paid? Does anyone have an inkling of just how it will be calculated.

From recollection it will be around 1 weeks basic wage.  Previous bonuses not included in the calculation. 

Quote from: Rad on 16-05-21, 10:40PM

Quote from: Nellysonuk123 on 14-05-21, 09:18PM
When is this supposed 2% bonus to be paid? Does anyone have an inkling of just how it will be calculated.

From recollection it will be around 1 weeks basic wage.  Previous bonuses not included in the calculation.

Thought it was only management who now get a bonus?

All colleagues are getting a 2 % bonus for their work over the past year , paid in June.
Line managers and lead team get 2.5 % in May.
Wl3 and above still get their large bonus. 

That's a bummer I thought the bonus was this month, dentist bills on credit card I guess.

Can't believe the outcome of the pay review hasn't been leaked yet. Is it correct that we are supposed to find out the outcome on 7th June? I'm also thinking that CDD's may be going to get an increased skills payment as I've read that a new band for skills payment has been created just for CDD's.

CDDs had an increase in pay last pay review (more than others), I don't think a new grade will be made as there's higher grade categories than what CDD falls under, maybe more likely it's going to be 1 grade higher, or maybe 1 grade below shift leader.

NightAndDay, the following is copied from 'New and recently updated policies' on Ourtesco from Feb 2021. Skills Payments – removal of Semi-Skilled Baker as role no longer exists. Customer delivery driver re-categorised from grade D to grade H.  (Grade H is between grade D and grade E).

Sounds like they're making the grading system more convoluted, at least before it made logical sense, grades A/B was lowest paid and as the letters go in ascending order so does the grade and pay.

Sounds like this could have been restructured more logically.

Has there been any news on whether we're getting a bonus next month? As there's been no news at work, only on here. Thank-you

Bonus for staff in June pay. This has been in the T5 and on "Our Tesco" for a while.  Managers got theirs in May.

Sorry, my store has had no info whatsoever, managers either didn't wanna say or didn't know and we don't do Team 5s anymore

CA going from£9.30 to £9.50 

Quote from: Call me on 05-06-21, 11:58PM
CA going from£9.30 to £9.50 

how do you no this? The pay review is not until next week is it?

I don't think even Tesco would only put us up to £9.50. I'd be leaving if that happened. To be honest, if it doesn't go at least to £10 I'll be gone in 12 months. With the c**p you have to put up with just with the workload and then with serving customers etc it's just not anything like worth the money. When they keep the wages that low it makes it an easy decision to look for better opportunities elsewhere as the money can't really get any worse. I don't think even Tesco are that stupid.

Think it may be tomorrow when the outcome of the review is announced.

Quote from: .....1 on 06-06-21, 07:17AM

Quote from: Call me on 05-06-21, 11:58PM
CA going from£9.30 to £9.50 

how do you no this? The pay review is not until next week is it?

How about more work for each CA by not replacing leavers, no rise and strip out some layers of management after all the pandemic, brexit, equal pay and the Aldi up the road has and will cost us a fortune. 

You strip the number of CAs to Aldi levels without a pay rise guess what will happen..
They'll all jump ship to Aldi/Lidl.

 So what is everyone's thoughts on this years pay review.. I'm thinking that this is the year that we say bye bye to any premiums on a sunday.... Flat rate of pay. also wont be paid untill at least end of October/November. CA'S pay up to  £9.85 followed by more next year. shift leader in express should and hopefully will be more than that of a shift leader in superstore/extra. what ever we gain we will lose in the other. what are you all thinking?

I think £9.50 to match Sainsburys & premiums left alone for this year.

I would hazard a guess at something like £9.90 but they will put it up in increments slowly so that you only actually start getting the headline figure in about 2 years once the minimum wage has almost caught it up. Anything like that and I'm out sooner rather than later.

Currently as things stand, Tescos's Sunday premium is it's USP in terms of pay, competitors offer a bank holiday premium so there's nothing special there.

Before Drastic Dave took the helm Tesco was top dog in terms of staff remuneration (excluding the discounters), now they're gradually losing places to the likes of Morrisons and Sainsburys, won't be long before Asda takes over, I also believe Sainsburys does have a bonus scheme for their GAs, something which Tesco does not, that's along with a higher basic pay.

A 4S CTM I know got a 12% bonus from Sainsburys which is much more than what Tesco gives their managers.

I think as cost cutting still is the strategy, I think new pay rate will go to £9.47 and night premiums up by 5p per hour.

Cost cutting is one of the many reasons increasing numbers of people are finding new jobs and telling Tesco to stick it, as others say go back ten or more years and the pay and benefits even for a GA would take some beating given it was basically an entry level job, now you can do far better in other retailers or by working at the local Amazon wearhouse etc. I was a GA until September last year, now I earn £12 per hour, plus monthly bonus depending on how the company does and weekends are optional, but pay £16 per hour, and I was told going to work in a factory was "a great big step down the ladder" by my ex store manager. Plus I now have the chance after 12 months to undertake training to move on to more advanced and of course better paying roles in the production side of the company, I should also point out I had never worked in a factory before and have no qualifications apart from what I left school at 16 with many years back, better is out there and Tesco wonder why its hard to retain staff in stores.

Whatever the pay increase gives Tesco will spin it out likes it amazing and you will not find anything better, the truth is you will find better either in other retailers or if you prefer a change of job full stop.

Not sure how a job can be a "great big step down the ladder" from a job that pays pennies above minimum wage. Yet another comment from a thicko store manager, wouldn't be surprised if he/she didn't have GCSEs.

Anyone any update on todays pay review?

Not announced yet, prob keep us waiting ill the end of the week

We wont get one and they will blame coronavirus.

£10

Wrong

Quote from: forrestgimp on 07-06-21, 11:44AM
We wont get one and they will blame coronavirus.

Every other supermarket is giving a raise, Tesco would have a PR nightmare if they didn't, also it would mean even more would jump ship, something Tesco has a growing problem with already.

Maybe Tesco don't care if people jump ship.

9.55 an hour

9.55 for the cleaner?

What is new shift leader rate please?

Its gone up 25p an hour so indeed it is 9.55 an hour

Where is this info coming from?

When is pay rise effective from?

No one saying where the info has come from?

Instore reps

Any changes to skills payments?

So the only change is 25p per hour increase?

They've abandoned their policy of two-year deals?

Presumably this 25p increase will not be implemented until later (much later) in the year?

How long (how many meetings etc.) did it take Usdaw (focus group of reps) and Tesco to come to this exciting conclusion?

2.69% pay increase.

I think it be spread over 2 years and this year it will go up to 9.50 p/h,going to 9.80 over the two years

5th September goes to £9.55 per hour
Night premiums going up too on same date
Think they go to £2.30 from £2.21
All on our Tesco

Just seen the team 5 communication, Informative as always  :D No mention of when it starts or how long it's over. Also no mention of changes to skill based pay.

2.15 or 2.7% for the year would be fine with me if it's paid earlier in the year, we used to get pay rises in July which seemed reasonable, and it does not involve any cuts in premiums or terms. If its paid halfway into the year or something is taken away, even if the something taken away doesn't affect you personally, it is gone on a hardcore basis and it isn't an acceptable rise to me especially in the context of the pay rises of recent years. Was there one payrise in the Dave Lewis era that didn't involve something being taken away? Lower rate night premiums in 2016, Sunday premium reduced in 2017, bonus gone in 2019.

All info is on colleague help now. No change in skill payments as far as I can see. Just a 25p increase in base rate ( plus night premium). Starts from September, no change to any other existing Sunday or BH pay.

Well done Usdaw, negotiated a great deal for us there.....NOT  >:(

Underwhelming is an understatement.
2.68%!!

Inflation is expected to hit 3% or more in the next few months!!

No ambition to be a £10/hour supermarket payer?

This reminds me of listening to the Tesco Radio adverts all day - where customers can do a BIG shop - seems like our wonderful partnership between Usdaw and Tesco have come up with a big pay review!!!

reading the small print, I love the way they point out that "new starter rate" moves to 90% of established rate - even 90% of the new £9.55 is less than the NMW for any employee over 25 years old.

First "comment" on Ourtesco is all very positive, someone particularly happy that the night premium (having been frozen for a number of years) has been increased quite a bit.
That extra 9p will go a long way.

Ah well, looking forward to leaving in the next 12 months. Decided a while back that if this pay review was poor it would be the final kick up the a**e I needed to say goodbye to the company and put my efforts into something more worthwhile and rewarding for myself. Usdaw have been a disgrace as usual. I don't think I've ever seen or heard of a more pathetic union in my life.

You can't do much with £9.55 an hour these days. Headline inflation may only be mentioned as being 2-3% but have you looked at prices for pretty much anything lately and how much they've increased? Cars, houses, commodities etc are all having increases of around 10% and more. Bye bye Tesco :)

Quote from: barafear on 07-06-21, 03:00PM
First "comment" on Ourtesco is all very positive, someone particularly happy that the night premium (having been frozen for a number of years) has been increased quite a bit.
That extra 9p will go a long way.

First comment on anything on our tesco is always mega positive, would not surprise me if someone has the job of posting a really upbeat comment to try and influence other staff.

Not sure if relevant in this thread, I am part time working 12.25 hours a week and receive 18 days holiday a year including bank holidays.
New vacancies in our store (17 of them) offer 20 days rising to 22 after 12 months plus bank holidays, this is for all the advertised job, some more hours than mine, some less.
Have I read adverts wrong?
Doesn't seem right not to offer same holiday entitlement to everyone.

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Definitely not relevant in pay review 2021 thread

Quote from: barafear on 07-06-21, 03:00PM
First "comment" on Ourtesco is all very positive, someone particularly happy that the night premium (having been frozen for a number of years) has been increased quite a bit.
That extra 9p will go a long way.

Well let be more specific. Whole night shift gives an extra £0.54. £10.8 for 20 days of work is good wage...... on Cuba. Last year their monthly minimum wage was something like $9 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Quote from: Modena on 28-07-20, 12:24PM
So will they be looking after the drivers after they took away our market supplement and we are busier than ever?

No, just the 25p increase.

Quote from: barafear on 07-06-21, 02:43PM
Underwhelming is an understatement.
2.68%!!

Inflation is expected to hit 3% or more in the next few months!!

No ambition to be a £10/hour supermarket payer?

This reminds me of listening to the Tesco Radio adverts all day - where customers can do a BIG shop - seems like our wonderful partnership between Usdaw and Tesco have come up with a big pay review!!!

The increase in the NLW was 19p, it seems Tesco's increase in pay somewhat mirrors the increase in the NLW. They will always only every pay a very small proportion of the NLW above the NLW.

Are we getting a bonus this month? If so when would it be due? I've asked people and left with blank stares.

It seems we are on this month's payday, the 25th. I'm in the same situation, nobody in my store has a clue!

Is everyone getting a pay rise or just those on £9.30? I work in pharmacy

All the information is on our Tesco

"It makes our total reward package more competitive than ever before, while remaining simple, fair and sustainable for our business". (From the official statement on OurTesco)

Hmmm, pretty sure they used to pay more than some competitors who are now paying more than Tesco? The truth is that they see shop floor workers as replaceable fodder to be treated however they like and the easiest place to make savings and make their profits look better at the end of the financial year so that they can justify their own bonuses.

It will be interesting to see if management get more than 2.7% + their bonus that still exists, or more than 25p an hour. The company is a lost cause full of empty rhetoric of caring about its staff. They pay us so badly and work us so hard that they have to have numerous initiatives about sorting out our mental health and posters up all around the place about helping people with their money troubles. I'll laugh myself all the way to the bank if they ever lose this equal pay thing (and I'll have left way before that happens so the company won't be able to strip my real world pay and benefits any more. Screw them.

How many times do you need to be told. Your bonus gets paid this month. I wish you would get it into your thick skulls. If you can't get that right there's a reason why your not worth £10 per hour.

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Unfortunately, if you're going to be rude to others on here, at least make sure you use the correct spelling/grammar:

If you can't get that right there's a reason why your not worth £10 per hour.

Obviously you meant "you're not worth £10 per hour".

FYI
Met managers get a blanket 2-2.75% raise based on what part of the pay scale for their role they currently sit at

Yet another pay rise that shafts Team Support. We only get the rise on the GA hourly rate, not on the skills supplement. Slowly the differential is being eroded away.

An SL equivalent at Sainsbury's gets paid £1,000 a year more 3 years ago than what SLs get now after this pay review including Sunday premiums. Nowadays I think Sainsbury's SL equivalent takes about £1.5-2k more a year than what Tesco pays their SLs.

Quote from: BarryZola on 08-06-21, 10:35AM
"It makes our total reward package more competitive than ever before, while remaining simple, fair and sustainable for our business". (From the official statement on OurTesco)

Hmmm, pretty sure they used to pay more than some competitors who are now paying more than Tesco? The truth is that they see shop floor workers as replaceable fodder to be treated however they like and the easiest place to make savings and make their profits look better at the end of the financial year so that they can justify their own bonuses.

It will be interesting to see if management get more than 2.7% + their bonus that still exists, or more than 25p an hour. The company is a lost cause full of empty rhetoric of caring about its staff. They pay us so badly and work us so hard that they have to have numerous initiatives about sorting out our mental health and posters up all around the place about helping people with their money troubles. I'll laugh myself all the way to the bank if they ever lose this equal pay thing (and I'll have left way before that happens so the company won't be able to strip my real world pay and benefits any more. Screw them.

Yeap i want tesco to loose equal pay claim. For me today woud be bit over 9 years of compensation.
Regarding to the new pay i really do not see it attractive for potentially new employee, It's atleast 30p too low.
My wife is making 9.50 as a cleaner, and moan that there is not enough work to fill few hours a day and she sometimes come home earlier. So look at tescos 9.30 and the workload.
Not mentioning the fact that our night team shrink by 1/3 in last few months and now try to fill SS (26 aisles) again with 14 people max. People were saying pay is too low for work we do, and they left (days and nights)
Managers are suprised how many people left ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sometimes i am wondering why people want to work on days for so low rate when they are expected to fill for ex produce when they are part timers and do not have any commitements.

Our Pay deal has been reported on Tescoplc.com - and picked up by the papers:

Part of the quote from Tesco included:

It will start from September 5, with Tesco consulting with union reps from Usdaw to come up with the pay packet.

In its announcement today, the supermarket said its hourly rate has increased by 29.2% since July 2014.

I thought I'd do a bit of research and some calculations as well to see just how generous this appears.

I'm working on the assumption that the 29.2% increase includes the 25p increase to be implemented from Sept 2021 - So using my calculator, that gets me back to an hourly rate in July 2014 of: (9.55/1.292)  = £7.39

No doubt if the posts still exist on here, I could do a search and find some. I do remember when we went through the £7 barrier - but for now I'm going to assume our hourly rate was £7.39 in July 2014.

Now let's look at the National Living Wage (which was called the National Minimum wage before 2016) -

In July 2014, I believe it was £6.31 before increasing to £6.50 in October 2014.

Now the latest NLW is £8.91.

So in the same period, the Minimum legislative wage has increased from £6.31 to £8.91 or 41.2%!!!

In addition, obviously we know our "benefits" have reduced over that timeframe - I'm not sure when Double Pay to 1.5 pay (Sundays/BH) changed - but I'm guessing it was within this period. And then obviously recently the reduction to 1.25 - and looking at the comments on Ourtesco, people are now "really grateful" that those "tiny" premiums still exist!! Our expectations have reduced so much that Tesco have made a proportion of the workforce satisfied/happy with "maintaining these premiums".

In addition, I'm sure night premiums have become worse over time - I'm not a night worker - but didn't they reduced the hours that night premium was payable - as well as then freezing the night premium for several years - I'd also like to add that Location pay has remained frozen for at least the period of time in question - i.e. 2014 - meaning anyone with location pay - let's say the 45p rate - has seen their actual wage they are paid increase from £7.84 to £10 or an increase of 27.55% (not the 29.2% quoted) - in addition other "skills payments" have remained frozen - so any "%" increase only applies to the "base payment for a grade B/C GA (or whatever it is) -

And a further "in addition" - clearly, we lost the opportunity to qualify for an annual bonus -

Ok, Tesco will say we've had various one-off "discretionary" bonuses - etc. - but that's the problem with "discretionary" - again we rely on the "goodwill" of Tesco management to pay us.

Similarly, with the location pay - this can be taken away - with three months notice I believe - at any time - so not guaranteed or not to be relied upon.

It's bad enough that Tesco have rightly "scr3wed" us over but to then release a press statement making it look like we've been getting really good deals for the last seven years just rubs salt into the wounds!!

Sorry - another quote:

"Tesco has today announced a new pay deal for hourly-paid Store and Customer Fulfilment Centre (CFC) colleagues which will see their hourly rates increase 2.7% from £9.30 to £9.55 from 5 September 2021.

The one-year pay deal has been developed in partnership our elected Usdaw colleague representatives and Usdaw and is above inflation rates. It is focused on what colleagues have said is most important to them – a higher basic hourly rate. Since July 2014 our hourly rate has increased by 29.2%

Tesco is also increasing Night Premium Payments for eligible colleagues from the current rate of £2.21 to £2.30 from 5 September 2021 – an increase of 4.1%

It is important that we reward our colleagues for all they do, particularly after the last year when colleagues worked harder than ever to serve customers safely through the pandemic. We recognised their heroic efforts with separate, additional bonus payments through the year, and today, we are pleased to share a further investment in base salary. "

This is the full version from tescoplc.com

I also wanted to rebutt their idea of "is above inflation rates"

Well, looking at the latest RPI inflation rate, it currently stands at 2.9%!!

Of course, they'll say they're referring to the CPI rate - which is the lower rate that the Govt like to use for increasing benefits/allowances etc. - but most economists still state that RPI is more relevant to "normal households" as it includes housing costs (rent etc.)

In addition, again, economic experts expect inflation to increase over the course of the next 6-9 months - meaning that when we get our 2.7% increase in Sept, guess where even the lower rate of CPI inflation will be!!!

The Bank of England says inflation is heading above its two per cent target in the UK and will hit 2.5 per cent at the end of 2021.

Sorry - I just wanted to point out just how much Tesco try to pull the wool over our eyes.

Always have and always will ^

Quote from: barafear on 08-06-21, 07:01PM
Our Pay deal has been reported on Tescoplc.com - and picked up by the papers:

Part of the quote from Tesco included:

It will start from September 5, with Tesco consulting with union reps from Usdaw to come up with the pay packet.

In its announcement today, the supermarket said its hourly rate has increased by 29.2% since July 2014.

I thought I'd do a bit of research and some calculations as well to see just how generous this appears.

I'm working on the assumption that the 29.2% increase includes the 25p increase to be implemented from Sept 2021 - So using my calculator, that gets me back to an hourly rate in July 2014 of: (9.55/1.292)  = £7.39

No doubt if the posts still exist on here, I could do a search and find some. I do remember when we went through the £7 barrier - but for now I'm going to assume our hourly rate was £7.39 in July 2014.

Now let's look at the National Living Wage (which was called the National Minimum wage before 2016) -

In July 2014, I believe it was £6.31 before increasing to £6.50 in October 2014.

Now the latest NLW is £8.91.

So in the same period, the Minimum legislative wage has increased from £6.31 to £8.91 or 41.2%!!!

In addition, obviously we know our "benefits" have reduced over that timeframe - I'm not sure when Double Pay to 1.5 pay (Sundays/BH) changed - but I'm guessing it was within this period. And then obviously recently the reduction to 1.25 - and looking at the comments on Ourtesco, people are now "really grateful" that those "tiny" premiums still exist!! Our expectations have reduced so much that Tesco have made a proportion of the workforce satisfied/happy with "maintaining these premiums".

In addition, I'm sure night premiums have become worse over time - I'm not a night worker - but didn't they reduced the hours that night premium was payable - as well as then freezing the night premium for several years - I'd also like to add that Location pay has remained frozen for at least the period of time in question - i.e. 2014 - meaning anyone with location pay - let's say the 45p rate - has seen their actual wage they are paid increase from £7.84 to £10 or an increase of 27.55% (not the 29.2% quoted) - in addition other "skills payments" have remained frozen - so any "%" increase only applies to the "base payment for a grade B/C GA (or whatever it is) -

And a further "in addition" - clearly, we lost the opportunity to qualify for an annual bonus -

Ok, Tesco will say we've had various one-off "discretionary" bonuses - etc. - but that's the problem with "discretionary" - again we rely on the "goodwill" of Tesco management to pay us.

Similarly, with the location pay - this can be taken away - with three months notice I believe - at any time - so not guaranteed or not to be relied upon.

It's bad enough that Tesco have rightly "scr3wed" us over but to then release a press statement making it look like we've been getting really good deals for the last seven years just rubs salt into the wounds!!

Sorry - another quote:

"Tesco has today announced a new pay deal for hourly-paid Store and Customer Fulfilment Centre (CFC) colleagues which will see their hourly rates increase 2.7% from £9.30 to £9.55 from 5 September 2021.

The one-year pay deal has been developed in partnership our elected Usdaw colleague representatives and Usdaw and is above inflation rates. It is focused on what colleagues have said is most important to them – a higher basic hourly rate. Since July 2014 our hourly rate has increased by 29.2%

Tesco is also increasing Night Premium Payments for eligible colleagues from the current rate of £2.21 to £2.30 from 5 September 2021 – an increase of 4.1%

It is important that we reward our colleagues for all they do, particularly after the last year when colleagues worked harder than ever to serve customers safely through the pandemic. We recognised their heroic efforts with separate, additional bonus payments through the year, and today, we are pleased to share a further investment in base salary. "

This is the full version from tescoplc.com

I also wanted to rebutt their idea of "is above inflation rates"

Well, looking at the latest RPI inflation rate, it currently stands at 2.9%!!

Of course, they'll say they're referring to the CPI rate - which is the lower rate that the Govt like to use for increasing benefits/allowances etc. - but most economists still state that RPI is more relevant to "normal households" as it includes housing costs (rent etc.)

In addition, again, economic experts expect inflation to increase over the course of the next 6-9 months - meaning that when we get our 2.7% increase in Sept, guess where even the lower rate of CPI inflation will be!!!

The Bank of England says inflation is heading above its two per cent target in the UK and will hit 2.5 per cent at the end of 2021.

Sorry - I just wanted to point out just how much Tesco try to pull the wool over our eyes.

and this is one of the many many many reasons I left last year... just wish I had taken the redundancy they offered me when they were shafted stock control guys  ;D

Quote from: barafear on 08-06-21, 07:01PM
Our Pay deal has been reported on Tescoplc.com - and picked up by the papers:

Part of the quote from Tesco included:

It will start from September 5, with Tesco consulting with union reps from Usdaw to come up with the pay packet.

In its announcement today, the supermarket said its hourly rate has increased by 29.2% since July 2014.

I thought I'd do a bit of research and some calculations as well to see just how generous this appears.

I'm working on the assumption that the 29.2% increase includes the 25p increase to be implemented from Sept 2021 - So using my calculator, that gets me back to an hourly rate in July 2014 of: (9.55/1.292)  = £7.39

No doubt if the posts still exist on here, I could do a search and find some. I do remember when we went through the £7 barrier - but for now I'm going to assume our hourly rate was £7.39 in July 2014.

Now let's look at the National Living Wage (which was called the National Minimum wage before 2016) -

In July 2014, I believe it was £6.31 before increasing to £6.50 in October 2014.

Now the latest NLW is £8.91.

So in the same period, the Minimum legislative wage has increased from £6.31 to £8.91 or 41.2%!!!

In addition, obviously we know our "benefits" have reduced over that timeframe - I'm not sure when Double Pay to 1.5 pay (Sundays/BH) changed - but I'm guessing it was within this period. And then obviously recently the reduction to 1.25 - and looking at the comments on Ourtesco, people are now "really grateful" that those "tiny" premiums still exist!! Our expectations have reduced so much that Tesco have made a proportion of the workforce satisfied/happy with "maintaining these premiums".

In addition, I'm sure night premiums have become worse over time - I'm not a night worker - but didn't they reduced the hours that night premium was payable - as well as then freezing the night premium for several years - I'd also like to add that Location pay has remained frozen for at least the period of time in question - i.e. 2014 - meaning anyone with location pay - let's say the 45p rate - has seen their actual wage they are paid increase from £7.84 to £10 or an increase of 27.55% (not the 29.2% quoted) - in addition other "skills payments" have remained frozen - so any "%" increase only applies to the "base payment for a grade B/C GA (or whatever it is) -

And a further "in addition" - clearly, we lost the opportunity to qualify for an annual bonus -

Ok, Tesco will say we've had various one-off "discretionary" bonuses - etc. - but that's the problem with "discretionary" - again we rely on the "goodwill" of Tesco management to pay us.

Similarly, with the location pay - this can be taken away - with three months notice I believe - at any time - so not guaranteed or not to be relied upon.

It's bad enough that Tesco have rightly "scr3wed" us over but to then release a press statement making it look like we've been getting really good deals for the last seven years just rubs salt into the wounds!!

Sorry - another quote:

"Tesco has today announced a new pay deal for hourly-paid Store and Customer Fulfilment Centre (CFC) colleagues which will see their hourly rates increase 2.7% from £9.30 to £9.55 from 5 September 2021.

The one-year pay deal has been developed in partnership our elected Usdaw colleague representatives and Usdaw and is above inflation rates. It is focused on what colleagues have said is most important to them – a higher basic hourly rate. Since July 2014 our hourly rate has increased by 29.2%

Tesco is also increasing Night Premium Payments for eligible colleagues from the current rate of £2.21 to £2.30 from 5 September 2021 – an increase of 4.1%

It is important that we reward our colleagues for all they do, particularly after the last year when colleagues worked harder than ever to serve customers safely through the pandemic. We recognised their heroic efforts with separate, additional bonus payments through the year, and today, we are pleased to share a further investment in base salary. "

This is the full version from tescoplc.com

I also wanted to rebutt their idea of "is above inflation rates"

Well, looking at the latest RPI inflation rate, it currently stands at 2.9%!!

Of course, they'll say they're referring to the CPI rate - which is the lower rate that the Govt like to use for increasing benefits/allowances etc. - but most economists still state that RPI is more relevant to "normal households" as it includes housing costs (rent etc.)

In addition, again, economic experts expect inflation to increase over the course of the next 6-9 months - meaning that when we get our 2.7% increase in Sept, guess where even the lower rate of CPI inflation will be!!!

The Bank of England says inflation is heading above its two per cent target in the UK and will hit 2.5 per cent at the end of 2021.

Sorry - I just wanted to point out just how much Tesco try to pull the wool over our eyes.

29.2% over 7 years, 29.2 ÷ 7 = 4.17% a year, even taken at face value this is still rubbish.especially considering they would be legally obliged to increase it by just under that amount anyway to remain within the living wage.

Plenty of fat to get rid of at the top, I've always said it.

Dunno about anyone else but I'd happily accept that yearly 4.17% increase.

If our starting point (i.e. 2014) was £10/hour then I think we all would!! But effectively, Tesco have been underpaying us all for years - hence the £3bn of profits they made on an annual basis before their "accounting scandal" was uncovered!!

It's also the reason why they've had to accelerate their pace of "downsizing" over the last seven years or so - because they realised that the Govt were finally recognising that the lowest paid in society were paid too low - and Tesco (and others) soon realised that over a period of time (let's say 5-10 years) they would have to provide for pay rises averaging around 4% a year - so in order to maintain their overall low cost base (for staff costs) that cuts had to be made.....

In summary, the message about this pay review - similar to the previous three or four pay reviews - is that most of us are considered to be unskilled workers and deserving of "no more" (or not much more) than minimum wage. If people think they are "skilled" - think how much training Tesco give new starters to effectively "do your job".

If people look back on this thread to when Sainsbury announced their fairly meagre pay review, both myself and another poster suggested that the immediate response by Tesco would not be that much different - i.e. matching Sainsbury's £9.50/hour. 

Of course, Tesco have added 5p - but are making us all wait a few more months to achieve that!!

With both Sainsbury's and Tesco heavily promoting their Aldi Price match promise on "hundreds of products" (another wool over the eyes moment - when you consider most Tesco stores would have in the region of 15000 product lines!!) - how come neither are that keen to "salary match"?

Even the bods at the Bank of England think that Britain needs a payrise in general:

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/britain-needs-pay-rise-says-070156917.html

If you take the statement Tesco issued as if you did not work in retail but another sector the £9.55 they're blowing their trumpet at would not be seen as  a very poor hourly rate and if anyone says well it is not skilled, many council jobs are not skilled but are better paid.
Also I looked at a pay slip going back to 2014 at the difference in pay was less than £100 due to the cuts in premiums for Saturday night working.

At least everyone's jobs have become easier.👍😂😂😂😂😂p**s take.

Quote from: chris9997 on 09-06-21, 04:49PM
If you take the statement Tesco issued as if you did not work in retail but another sector the £9.55 they're blowing their trumpet at would be seen as  a very poor hourly rate and if anyone says well it is not skilled, many council jobs are not skilled but are better paid.
Also I looked at a pay slip going back to 2014 at the difference in pay was less than £100 due to the cuts in premiums for Saturday night working.

For 9.55 you could hardly find a cleaner.

I remember some dodgy SMs hiring illegal immigrants on 50p an hour or something silly to save on costs. He got away with it to.

Quote from: NightAndDay on 10-06-21, 02:20PM
I remember some dodgy SMs hiring illegal immigrants on 50p an hour or something silly to save on costs. He got away with it to.

I know the one you're on about, was a CFC.  Te*co was find £110k+ and the site manager was dismissed. Immigration prosecuted the site manager as well.

I was TUPE over to vision express.  No choice but to go, our wages had not gone up until this year, and then only because minimum wage went up, so I'm finally on £9.00 an hour after years of service.  Horrible company Tesco shafted us to.

Heard on the grapevine that dotcom drivers are getting a pay increase next month as well as the announced pay rise in September. Anyone else heard this?

Rumour is drivers pay grade goes from D to H but it's not the huge leap that looks like. It'll actually be something between D and E (whatever that is), H is just the next free letter for coding.

Yeah I was aware of the new pay grade of 'H'. This grade was brought in before the 2021 pay review was announced & is for dotcom drivers only. Nothing was announced in the pay review with regards as to when drivers would get it though which was a bit strange but it does look at some point that it will happen.

Is it today that the 2021 pay increase comes into effect?

Yes, 5th September. So we get 2 weeks enhanced pay in September and full increase in October.

PS.
Don't spend it all. Inflation on the rise :D we only get 2.7%. (less after taxes)  compared to UK average 8.8% (for last 3 months)

So little "publicity" about this in our store - surely they're not embarrassed that our "bumper pay rise" is struggling to keep up with CPI/RPI inflation - let alone as Lord Admiral stated the wider wage inflation in UK of 8.8%.

Poor showing by Tesco - and Usdaw to agree to it as well.

Completely agree. Usually when we get an increase we get something through the post or at least it gets a mention on ourtesco. Obviously nothing to shout about this time.

It's only going to get worse, Brexit is causing all sorts of supply issues, all this means is inflation on top of the usual factors, in the next 2 years I reckon we'll see wages as a whole jumped up significantly to keep up with inflation and interest rates going up as well, if things don't improve by the end of next year I can see a loaf of Tesco value bread being sold at £50 million a loaf.

Is the £50 million including our colleague discount?  :D

Quote from: NightAndDay on 06-09-21, 08:20PM
It's only going to get worse, Brexit is causing all sorts of supply issues, all this means is inflation on top of the usual factors, in the next 2 years I reckon we'll see wages as a whole jumped up significantly to keep up with inflation and interest rates going up as well, if things don't improve by the end of next year I can see a loaf of Tesco value bread being sold at £50 million a loaf.

Yeah and with the rise in nis that we and the employer has to pay to help with the cost of elderly care . Things are not going to get any easier 😔

Quote from: fatboy on 06-09-21, 08:55PM
Is the £50 million including our colleague discount?  :D

It will be, but also £1 trillion notes will also be in circulation.

We'll become Her Majestys Banana Republic in this scenario   :D :D :D

Quote from: chris9997 on 09-06-21, 04:49PM
If you take the statement Tesco issued as if you did not work in retail but another sector the £9.55 they're blowing their trumpet at would not be seen as  a very poor hourly rate and if anyone says well it is not skilled, many council jobs are not skilled but are better paid.
Also I looked at a pay slip going back to 2014 at the difference in pay was less than £100 due to the cuts in premiums for Saturday night working.

Looks like the media forgot 29.2% minus yearly bonus taken away from staff but not management at around 3% a year for the last 4 years 12% and then the next 5 years 15% looks grim for staff it just seems to be going backwards, plus all the other little perks such as double time they have taken back what next discount card down to 5%  ;D ;D ;D 

So many things tesco taken away, free shares, enhancement from 10 pm then more after 11pm, sunday and bank holiday premium, not mention workload, at least in express. All those extra gone along with extra willingness for the company and customer.

The only thing good is pe company like  Alliance Bernstein that interested with tesco, would have to think twice if they gonna go ahead with acquisition to strip and resell even it still possible doing that.

And now the Govt are wading in - so anyone who gets paid more than about £833 per month (before tax/NI/Tax) will now be paying more NI (from April 2022) - so our 25p pay rise will be even further eroded.

Let's say you pay tax/NI and make a pension contribution (5%)

So, that 25p will now be reduced by:

20% tax
13.25% NI
5% pension

So 38.25% reduction = feel like an increase of 16p per hour!!

You realise you will be elderly one day as well.

I am happy to pay extra to help with costs.

NIC rise is just to put into NHS not pension. One one end its good but low pay workers can't really afford it.
Big problem is that as any rise of vages doesn't attract new employees.
UK is a country of scroungers. Officially 1.3m Europeans left but unemployment did not fall (excluding any movement up/ down by 0.1%).
We Tesco staff will loose badly. Pandemy prove to that we are quite important but at the moment i see another shift to keep wages low for those who always been paid badly.
We should have no less than 10.50 per hour as base rate.
What we get next year, if economy hit 20 or even 30% average growth???

Had this argument with a bloke at work, Mate 2% of nothing is still nothing.

Our increase will negligible.