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Double Time on Sunday... uh oh

Started by sufRu, 14-01-16, 08:51PM

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optout

Not much that is worthwhile is easy, and very importantly (and reassuringly to me) you of all people (with the often specialist knowledge you bring) did not dismiss the idea :question: :thumbup: :thumbup:
I AM NOT A REP, BUT......

bugsbunny

Anyone know about staff going on strike in Ireland? Pity we don't have mandate rather than useless  USDAW

daftjoe

Yes bugsbunny heres a link to a press report www.beat102103.com/news/tesco-staff-may-strike-union-warns/
We can only hope it will spread to the english.  >:D

chris9997

This lump sum is all very well but it will be worked out on jan 15- dec 15 pay V year expected earnings after new premiums and 3.1% the difference will be paid in a lump sum to = 18 months payments, so as i see it you have that buffer for 18 months then you will be earning less then you were in 2015 if there are no other pay increases, or even less if this is repeated to bring sunday to single time! Usdaw  praises a good deal was struck, really shows  Usdaw for what it is a bloated over indulgent incompetent excuse for a union, wonder what would happen if they merged there operations with a militant union?

antico

Please be aware that it is only if there is a loss that you will get the 18months pay out. The way this has been configured means that you will lose premiums however if overall you gain 50p on your take home pay there is no loss so no pay out.

chris9997

sorry yes u are right not everyone will get a pay rise/payout.

Duracell

Quote from: Daftjoe on 01-03-16, 08:14PM
Yes bugsbunny heres a link to a press report www.beat102103.com/news/tesco-staff-may-strike-union-warns/
We can only hope it will spread to the english.  >:D

14,000 to be balloted over action that affects 1000 (7.2%).
It will be interesting to see the turn out of voters and how the majority sit.

My Opinion is exactly that, Mine.  Based on my view of what I know , see and what I would do.
"Being a rep doesn't make a person right anymore than not being a rep makes a person wrong " 

Duracell.

spooner

Are managers losing their double time ?

Morris999

Managers pay is still apparently being negotiated!
But we will be lucky to get the same as CA's!
Most likely we will lose what CA's have lost and get less than the 3.1%!
They will also probably also declare that we are all back on performance related pay again too!
Something that they cannot even tell us if we are on or not since going to team managers!

They are also apparently announcing managers pay in April!
Which will conveniently be after all the EOY reviews have taken place!

daftjoe

Quote from: Duracell on 03-03-16, 05:51PM

14,000 to be balloted over action that affects 1000 (7.2%).
It will be interesting to see the turn out of voters and how the majority sit.



But that is what union membership is all about isn't it? Looking after the rights of everyone!

People now are in the mindset of looking after number 1 (Thatcherism I think it's called) which works in theory but not in practice. Then when they have a bit of trouble they wonder why no one supports them.

Duracell

#760
I'm just interested in what the turnout of the ballot as the changes ( this time ) affect a minority.
I'm not at all suggesting that it's an irelivant number, I just am interested because of the minority situation and change in the UK is similar.

I read something today that I found, ironic, hysterical and worrying all at the same time.

Apparently, giving extended sunday trading rights to local councils is being voted on next week ( in parliament I presume), John Hannet is mass e mailing reps where he is able to, with a template letter for THE REPS to send on to their local Papers, erging not to extend sunday trading.

QuoteAsk our MP to help keep Sundays Special

Sunday is still a special day - families can spend some time together, and we can hold community events. We would lose that if Sunday became just another day.


Absolutely laughable, considering his TEAM have recommended the reduction of premium payments when this time is worked. Which helps facilitate considerably to Sunday as being viewed as "just another day".

He and his team can't be arsed to proctect this day as special yet he wants reps to lobby local papers and MP's.

Absolute kn**h**d.
My Opinion is exactly that, Mine.  Based on my view of what I know , see and what I would do.
"Being a rep doesn't make a person right anymore than not being a rep makes a person wrong " 

Duracell.

nightsboy

Quote from: BANDERSNATCH on 06-02-16, 07:49PM
Been with the company from the start and a team leader already ! High flyer eh ? With your no doubt heightened intelligence as is needed to reach the dizzying heights of section managers lackey how can you not grasp that when yo became just one of the s*** like me again in the restructure you started again on a GA contract , you have been compensated for losing your highly powerful and exalted previous job and if you think you are getting compensated for that again well dream on.
oh I've had confirmation that it will be based on TEAM LEADER rate between Jan and May 15, just thought id let you know. when I get my payout, ill buy you lunch..................

Expressdude2016

That's it nightsboy splash the cash.. just wait until it hits u that your getting a pay DECREASE and the person your offering to buy lunch is getting an INCREASE. Lets see who's standard of living is affected.

nightsboy


BANDERSNATCH

Quote from: nightsboy on 07-03-16, 12:52PM
Quote from: BANDERSNATCH on 06-02-16, 07:49PM
Been with the company from the start and a team leader already ! High flyer eh ? With your no doubt heightened intelligence as is needed to reach the dizzying heights of section managers lackey how can you not grasp that when yo became just one of the s*** like me again in the restructure you started again on a GA contract , you have been compensated for losing your highly powerful and exalted previous job and if you think you are getting compensated for that again well dream on.
oh I've had confirmation that it will be based on TEAM LEADER rate between Jan and May 15, just thought id let you know. when I get my payout, ill buy you lunch..................

I like lobster !

daftjoe

I was wondering how many stores have actually put in grievances, protests, etc. to Tesco, USDAW or both about the proposed double time changes.

Is it just the 3 I know about or are there more.

Please let me know by private message (I know we use usernames on here but I'm sure people know, or can guess who someone is given enough time from their comments).

Thanks.


Duracell

In my opinion, it will not take great numbers , it will only take a few cases where there is a serious impact on living standards (like the 30% reduction in some threads) to be judged and another scandelous item hits the headlines, USDAW will be caught up in it and less able to weather it but they should realise that.

My Opinion is exactly that, Mine.  Based on my view of what I know , see and what I would do.
"Being a rep doesn't make a person right anymore than not being a rep makes a person wrong " 

Duracell.

claden

Quote from: Daftjoe on 08-03-16, 09:26AM
I was wondering how many stores have actually put in grievances, protests, etc. to Tesco, USDAW or both about the proposed double time changes.

Is it just the 3 I know about or are there more.

Please let me know by private message (I know we use usernames on here but I'm sure people know, or can guess who someone is given enough time from their comments).

Thanks.
I wanted to but I'm not sure how do to it or what to put in the grievance.

smithwally

Quote from: claden on 08-03-16, 09:46AM
Quote from: Daftjoe on 08-03-16, 09:26AM
I was wondering how many stores have actually put in grievances, protests, etc. to Tesco, USDAW or both about the proposed double time changes.

Is it just the 3 I know about or are there more.

Please let me know by private message (I know we use usernames on here but I'm sure people know, or can guess who someone is given enough time from their comments).

Thanks.
I wanted to but I'm not sure how do to it or what to put in the grievance.

The trouble with sharing a collective grievance on VLH for other store staff to use is that:

Whoever posts the grievance template for others to use on here could well get disciplined for breaching Tesco social media policy and get sacked
it could also fatally undermine the first store grievance as its supposed to be a private matter between the one first store and Tesco
it will also be obvious from other later stores's own grievances which store their grievance originated or was copied from.




Nomad

They could always PM or email me a template for others to download (PDF or .txt or .odt file), to use as is with personal data inserted or preferably use as a guide for 'how to'.

Somehow I don't think I will get the sack, in fact I know so  :)
Nomad ( Forum Admin )
It's better to be up in arms than down on your knees.

instorebakery

Quote from: smithwally on 08-03-16, 01:00PM
Quote from: claden on 08-03-16, 09:46AM
Quote from: Daftjoe on 08-03-16, 09:26AM
I was wondering how many stores have actually put in grievances, protests, etc. to Tesco, USDAW or both about the proposed double time changes.

Is it just the 3 I know about or are there more.

Please let me know by private message (I know we use usernames on here but I'm sure people know, or can guess who someone is given enough time from their comments).

Thanks.
I wanted to but I'm not sure how do to it or what to put in the grievance.

The trouble with sharing a collective grievance on VLH for other store staff to use is that:

Whoever posts the grievance template for others to use on here could well get disciplined for breaching Tesco social media policy and get sacked.


Unless the name Tesco is being used defamatory, how can they sack you?

daftjoe

Exactly!

As long as what you put in the grievance is fact and you can prove it then they would have to prove otherwise to take disciplinary action. 

Duracell

#772
There may be a problem with a template letter, a grievance is tailored to suit the individual concerned with their specific circumstance encompassed within the letter.
For a template letter to be of benefit to everyone, it would need to encompass a lot of of angles and circumstance and then the user deletes what is not applicable to their particular circumstance.
Also I would advice caution on using a template as at some point the grievance will need to be heard and discussed, it would be best that any individual draws up a grievance in their own words with their own understanding and application as it better serves them when it is heard.
The author of a template letter can't assist you when the grievance is being heard, if the words or understanding of another that you have used are challenged it will need to be substantiated in some way for it to remain credible as part of the process.

An example letter laying down what it should include as a guide is more apt I think rather than a generic letter to be "copied and pasted".

I would love to see instances of a generic letter from outside of TESDAW being issued in large volume against the changes. I really feel though individual grievance needs to be individual for it to be affective.

Please bare in mind if a generically worded challenge is made and satisfied, if it is made again by another, the possibility arises that it has already been settled satisfactorily.

My Opinion is exactly that, Mine.  Based on my view of what I know , see and what I would do.
"Being a rep doesn't make a person right anymore than not being a rep makes a person wrong " 

Duracell.

smithwally

Duracell, YOu make lots of good points.

However for many stores, There are a number of staff affected by the loss of sunday premiums in many different ways.

The grievance could take the following structure:

open with this is a collective grievance under the category of terms and conditions
section of Points regarding the legalities, Union issues, employment contract law, ACAS, etc as these will be common to all affected staff
Then have the impact of the changes on the collective group, e.g. reduced pension, pay cut is bigger for staff on fewer hours, unable to meet SAYE commitments, couples who both work for Tesco and live together doubly affected etc etc. No affected staff names are put againts each impact point to protect dignity at work and provide privacy
What you expect as the grievance outcome
Then a table of all staff names, their depts and their signatures.

optout

smithwally

with regard to the 'grievance outcome'

could this be a list of possible outcomes that would be considered by the complainants, or can it be only one outcome :question:
I AM NOT A REP, BUT......

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