Hi all just wondering if anyone knows if BWS H&B and Frozen are still moving to days, last rumour i heard was it was happening end of August for BWS is this the case for all or just BWS.
I wouldn't listen to rumours if I was you.
When/if it happens you will find out.
OK thanks
We've already moved them to days ,I thought all stores were the same
our store manager said only yesterday again that it is not happening in our store due to .com availability
The thing is they wont tell you even if they knew which I dont believe they do they are not privy to decisions made at head office.
Our store is due to start trialling in but only for H+B
We have also been told to stop listening to rumours and definitely not happing due to dot. Com availability and apparently it's based on store takings?? We are a large extra with busy dot.com.
Our night shift was told the same thing right up to the meeting where they got told they were being made redundant.
So sorry to hijack but I really can't see how to start a new post. I know under 18s can serve alcohol with an over 18 verifying but can they work in bws aisle?
Haven't heard a thing in our store, ours have always been on nights? I do health and beauty on nights and didn't know this was a thing?
Quote from: General Thorn on 01-09-21, 01:21PM
So sorry to hijack but I really can't see how to start a new post. I know under 18s can serve alcohol with an over 18 verifying but can they work in bws aisle?
The age restriction just prohibits them from selling age restricted products (without approval), not filling them on the shelf.
Any help appreciated
Have h&b staff who moved from nights to days due to the restructure had thier pay protected?
Thanks in advance for any help
Our bws moving onto day fill,which makes sense as they have to man it against theft anyway i suppose health and beauty seems a similar prospect,i think our bws person just offered hours on another area on nights,we still have a security guard and checkout operator in limbo for 8 months while they decide whats happening with over night opening hours
All 24 hour opening has been scrapped, this was announced last Monday, so your checkout operator and guard(if Tesco not agency) should have been briefed this on their first shift in.
They won't be stuck in limbo for 8 months as from week 1 the new store opening hours kick in, and any hours for 24hr opening will have been removed from the stores budget.
I suggest they see the SM immediately if not been briefed by now.
So the stores which were open 24h which stopped 'due to Covid' are now officially never returning?
That is correct. These stores will probably open for a few nights before Xmas , that will be the only exception!
My local store is closed to customers during the night but you get lots of frustrated customers turning up thinking its open because they have still not got rid of the open 24 hours signage. oh well back to smoking out the front because the SM won't be around and neither should customers. >:D
We lost overnight trading nearly six years ago I think and have only opened 24 hours since a few days before Christmas. Not that it's helped anyone with late deliveries and trying to keep out of the handful of customers' way.
Quote from: Beanny on 09-02-22, 12:19PM
That is correct. These stores will probably open for a few nights before Xmas , that will be the only exception!
A total waste of time last Christmas. We had three staff on C/O overnight. Their purchases of Red Bull probably accounted for 90% of the sales between 00.00 and 06.00.
we had 2 full timers at night filling w&s one did mon-fri,the other did wed-sun,so they overlapped the busy part of the week,they used to fill the aisle,deal with their own waste/reductions and help on fresh if they finished filling the aisle before the end of their shifts,now it's going to twilight they want one person 6pm-midnight 7 days a week!
Ours went to days last year but ended back on nights because days couldn't cope, so now they are taking all off nights away........work that out lol
Our store is now advertising twilight hours. They need two full timers and one part timer.
We have only 9 shifts (nights) contracted to cover both aisles. Remaing shifts are being covered by - mix of OT, team fill, delivery only, leaving other asiles unworked etc.
Looking only at contracted hours, new system will not save any money.
Not mentioning the fact that our store is 400 hours over and they want more hours.
I do not belive that twilight fill will reduce theft as thiefs can take stuff to other aisles and detag bottles over there.
Tesco is a sinking ship, if the degradation in pay and conditions hasn't been indicative of such in the past 8 years then the coming cuts and p**s taking will be, best jump ship while you all can, Everywhere but Icelands pays more atm.
And yet a long time after you have left the company you can't seem to let go.
I personally believe moving spirits fill onto days is the right move for cutting down on theft. Moving beer and wine however I do not see the point of.
However, the more they move onto days, the more likely nights will eventually get redundancy and that would be heaven for me after 20+ years with Tesco.
Well, we have 9 contracted shifts in our SS to cover BWS. Now days will be given 13 shifts.
Just looking at contracted hours i do not see any savings in the move. Regarding theft i do not belive in any major improvement.
A day shift isn't always 7.5 hours like most night shifts are, sure twilight shifts are 6 hours or less in a store near me as for theft, I used to see someone on BWS when I started my shift at 9pm I don't see anyone on there now, and we find 20 empty tags regularly now.
Having someone around the booze area in general has cut the thefts in our store as the thieves aren't so likely to draw attention to themselves by clearing the shelves. Mind you, it makes me laugh that many spirits are still on restricted fill, yet there will be OFDs dotted around the store - often in CCTV blind spots! :o
Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 26-03-22, 09:23AM
A day shift isn't always 7.5 hours like most night shifts are, sure twilight shifts are 6 hours or less in a store near me as for theft, I used to see someone on BWS when I started my shift at 9pm I don't see anyone on there now, and we find 20 empty tags regularly now.
20 x £40 bottles makes a nice days earnings. Whip the tags off in the blind spot cereal aisle then make your mark out the fire escape. Mask on and throw your chauffeur £100 the Police aren't interested Tesco should hire correct security. Slim chance of getting caught and if you do the punishment is maybe community payback at worse.
Twilight BWS stocking starts in our store supposedly on Monday 28th. Posts have been advertised now for around 4 weeks and there has not been one person turning up for interview. Obviously no existing staff want this shift as turning up for £40 is taking the p***. Top management in their Ivory Towers have absolutely no clue what it takes to stock an Extra BWS department. Moving onto twilight's is an ill thought out ludicrous idea . It won't reduce theft in the slightest and this combined with the "we've listened to our customers" line is entirely bs on behalf of management to make it appear that Tesco are benefiting everyone. It's the thin end of the wedge with no pay protection and is obviously the start of the process to move all stocking over to days thus avoiding having to pay the meagre night premium. Penny pinching - when will it end ?
Probably when we are all on minimum wage , we are very close now.b
Benefit money is going up, wages are stagnant and tax and NI are on the rise. F turning in at Tosco for £10 notes. Cleaners are better paid. :)
Everyone saying moving BWS/H&B to days won't save on shrink are unfortunately wrong.
My store actually came under for these 2 areas for the first time in years since the change of fill on our latest stocktake.
Normally they were nearly 50% over budget every stocktake.
This has been the same for all the stores on our group too that changed either officially or at a local level decision since September last year.
It cuts out massively the full trolley walk outs that were happening regularly.
Yes it won't stop the one or two bottles being stolen but it does stop the majority of people filling up full trollies or big Sports Direct/B&M bags.
I'd even go as far saying the lvl of fill is better too.
These colleagues have been ring fenced in my store so are left to fill and help customers.
The figures speak for themselves for our store/group.
Quote from: LostBWS on 26-03-22, 11:09PM
Twilight BWS stocking starts in our store supposedly on Monday 28th. Posts have been advertised now for around 4 weeks and there has not been one person turning up for interview. Obviously no existing staff want this shift as turning up for £40 is taking the p***. Top management in their Ivory Towers have absolutely no clue what it takes to stock an Extra BWS department. Moving onto twilight's is an ill thought out ludicrous idea . It won't reduce theft in the slightest and this combined with the "we've listened to our customers" line is entirely bs on behalf of management to make it appear that Tesco are benefiting everyone. It's the thin end of the wedge with no pay protection and is obviously the start of the process to move all stocking over to days thus avoiding having to pay the meagre night premium. Penny pinching - when will it end ?
Probably when we are all on minimum wage , we are very close now.b
No-one wants the role(s) in my store, they've asked us to carry on filling it on a night as they're struggling to find anyone willing to do it.
They promptly got told in no uncertain terms that wouldn't be happening.
Now there's no-one manning the booze aisles at all, shoplifters paradise in the evenings.
Your night managers should get a copy of the advert, leave the work and tell the SM there taking nowt to do with a twilight job. Ohh that's right they are scared of the SM.
Not sure why everyone thinks bws going from nights to days is bad,or shop lifting is funny, some shoplifters got to be on more than store managers for an hour or two work ,shrink affects our pay,winds me up to think I've got to work while some tracksuit wearing chav is earning more for undoing all my hard work,let bws day staff have tasers and taser anyone who picks more than 1 bottle of spirits up
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Your night managers should get a copy of the advert, leave the work and tell the SM there taking nowt to do with a twilight job. Ohh that's right they are scared of the SM.
We are continuing to fill at night in our store as the twilight vacancies haven't been filled. Nothing to do with being scared of the store manager, but doing what is right for our customers
Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 29-03-22, 08:00AM
Not sure why everyone thinks bws going from nights to days is bad,or shop lifting is funny, some shoplifters got to be on more than store managers for an hour or two work ,shrink affects our pay,winds me up to think I've got to work while some tracksuit wearing chav is earning more for undoing all my hard work,let bws day staff have tasers and taser anyone who picks more than 1 bottle of spirits up
I don't think anyone thinks that shoplifters are funny but I do think that Tesco have let the place become a shoplifter's paradise. Security has been cut to the bone, that's assuming your store still has any form of security. GAs are Tesco's new form of security "Excuse me sir, do you know you've got bottles of wine in your pocket?" "So, what of it" "Nothing at all sir, enjoy your day."
With all these cutbacks, my store has nobody on bws for most of the day and if people are caught and barred from the store, none of the GAs know anything about it and so the people keep coming in.
As for going from nights to twilight, it doesn't suit everybody. Tesco won't have to pay any night premiums and the GAs will be interupted by customers and folk complaining about cages in the aisles.
general ;D
Anyone allowed to say which dot com stores are losing their night team yet?surely if your taking redundancy they,l be no repurcusions.
Our store has moved bws to twilight fill and now wants frozen/h&b to trial it. They've asked the night workers on those 2 departments if they'd like to do it. They've all said no so unsure now what is going to happen!
our backdoor guys have been told they no longer have to presort anything in the day as it will now be done by nights instead,they have been told they now have to fill w&s in the day between deliveries,Nights are furious,but the backdoor guys are only doing as they are told
If they must fill BWS between deliveries, then most of the stock would be left ... for nights ;D
Our night team has always presorted the delivery at night.
Grocery presort has always been done by days at our store, fresh has been nights. These days there's hardly any cages of grocery that need presort - maybe 5 on a busy shift compared to 25+ just a few years ago. Once had 20 cages roll off a wagon at 9pm & the night manager went mental at 10pm because it hadn't been done... tried telling the day staff that they had to stay behind to get it done. :D :D :D
I know this is getting boring now however how many stores out there are still filling BWS on nights. We are, and there is no plan in place to move to twilights. We are a Northern store taking about £500k per week with a relatively small sales floor.
We were initially told BWS will move to twilights in week 6 then week 10 !! Hay Ho it's now week 12 and nothing even close to happening.
It would be interesting to know if this is generally the case across the company for stores with a night shift.
It would be lovely to hear from you all.
@nightworker ours went to twilight and the two contracted staff just went on grocery/fresh,,,,it is a corporate move,our store has dot com and probably takes double yours.our bakery manager runs bws and bakery now,sounds like your store manager resistant to change
Can also confirm that my store (Extra, biggest around for hundreds of miles) moved the BWS night crew to ambient / fresh.
No-one has been recruited to fill BWS during twilight hours, even the shoplifters have stopped visiting the spirits aisle as it's that empty :D
How many stores still got BWS ON NIGHTS don't name your store just want an idea of how widespread and how important a company initiative this was 😂🤣😂
Ours on days now,think theres only 7 night stores left on our group
Think our store is still expected to fill it at night, despite what the big T want, but it never happens :D
Hi, our store has bws moved to days months ago, non food and frozen is next. It's a slow process but eventually it will happen, each section at a time to days/twilight. September will be the next phase then after Christmas. If it's all done at once it will put pressure on warehouses to move their delivery loads around. Said it all along, all they got to do is bring in delivery couple hours earlier and slowly move how's where it fits days/twilight's. Alot of people have left which is good for Tesco because they don't pay redundancies and the hours drop down to meet their criteria.
We have 3 night managers and 1 senior manager. One manager is moving to days in 4 weeks as another change. Again, it's a slow process, the news broke out months ago about Tesco going to simplify their business, nights are going, the money to save on night pay premium is huge,anyone on the verge of retirement, leaving ect is what Tesco will hope for. Any redundancy it will be full timers. We now have less that 10 on nights.
Checkouts going self serve with new installations is another key. The new contract and training for .com and checkouts, roles you can or can't do in the contract is all point towards this big simplified move. Once they get to the point they have cut down staff, like ours some managers have moved to small stores. If they get new staff and need to fill hours they will, but they know having no full timers, offering the overtime is what staff already there will take.
Why I say full timers will be the first in line for any redundancy/paycut/ours cut.
We are an extra with .com. we have .comers come in early hours to fill aswell as they want extra hours. So when Tesco move to days/twilight. That night premium will be gone.
Of course Tesco can't just get rid of you, so you will have meetings. You already have the new contract what shifts/hours and jobs you can do. But when the move comes, your meeting will consist of weather you can move to these hours, fit your lifestyle ect. You leave no redundancy which means Tesco don't have to pay out. But on the grounds they can't fullfil the hours in your contract, you may get offered redundancy. It's abit of tough one as I've heard your old contract, your hours and pay still stand with the new one. I'm not with our union, haven't been for couple years now. Never used or needed them. I feel after they agreed on Tesco behalf for all their union members to a new contract, we don't have a say either way.
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Are nights going in this store completely? Sounds like a store I used to work at same structure. I just would be surprise if nights went to twilight due to the heavy twilight trade in the store I worked in... literally had to have 3 cashiers every night in till 00
More nightshift colleagues are going next quarter.
Is that a fact?or guesstimate
Fact
If you were running a business would you want to pay staff extra to fill the shelves overnight or would you get someone else to fill them at lower cost thru the days?
With the new contract rolling out, a expansion of self serve tills and any colleague effectively being able to work anywhere anyone instore can be used to replenish.
Expect a lot of cashiers who are used to a day of sitting down serving will soon be faced with having to fill cages of stock during their shift. Won't be able to claim redundancy as they are only being asked to be a Tesco Colleague.
MM was telling me last night they've had something mentioned on the daily news thingy that BWS is a "priority" and if Twilight colleagues are struggling to replenish Night colleagues should focus on that over other areas of Grocery...
Hmm. Perhaps a) you shouldn't have been so damn eager to take it off Nights in the first place and b) try having a "wonderful" SM who has a face like a wet weekend in Barbados (other holiday destinations available!) if you so much as dare leave a couple of cages because the delivery was late and, like most stores, not enough staff to finish the job.
We've been part of the 12 week trial for H&B and frozen, I think we're about 7 or 8 weeks through & been told this week that it has been deemed a failure - due to delivery constantly being left & night staff having to finish it. So in the next few weeks it will be coming back to nights, as will BWS that went to twilights in February (BWS was also a complete mess which days had to constantly fill each night).
Anyone heard anything similar?
BWS was company roll out I thought as ours went twilight ages ago, as for trial you won't be the only store, and vast majority fill H&B, frozen during the day. Not everyone has night shifts. if deliveries consistently late, your store could have moved a member of staff to early and one to twilight to combat it, as for frozen day team in my store can usually work delivery before nights get in.
Does anyone actually work in an ALL twilight store that works? IE grocery/BWS/Frozen/HB is filled in evenings and fresh in the morning? I'm yet to find one that works well, we're constantly chasing our tail in ours and it never feels settled.
Yep deliveries never finished, lead manager moaning at me the other day that fresh gap scan wasnt complete, showed her a chiller rammed with cages and told her to go do it.
My store has not had a night shift in years. We do put one on at Christmas and odd times it's required. On the whole it works fine but it's only if the delivery is late that we have problems. This has been an issue with the rail strikes but on the whole the delivery arrives as it should. We do sometimes have cages left over but we do an all hands until it's all worked. We try to leave an aisle if we are going to have problems, it's easier to control and stock control can just miss one aisle. What we leave is a duty call made according to delivery and who is on shift and sometimes who is picking things up in the morning. We never miss facing the store though. If we abandon facing the store is a mess and we still have delivery to work. It's easier to just have one problem.
Interesting, similar structure to us to be honest. How does backstock work? Is it done every day? By days? Interested to know as our backstock never gets touched
We do backstock and then delivery, daily. Grocery team start from 1300, this includes BWS colleague. Delivery mostly comes in between 1500-1700. If it's gets as late as 1800 it has an impact on being finished. We don't get a delivery on Sundays so whole of grocery is turned. Of late this has been difficult as we are still often working sat delivery.
In the morning the priority if fresh, bws and then left over grocery delivery. Backdoor colleagues do bulk juice and beers. If we fall behind we put a colleague on in the morning to catch up on bws. I'm unsure of trade times in England but in Scotland we can only sell alcohol between 10 and 10. Someone in early can do a huge catch up. We have a stock control colleague who used to do bws and she can get through loads. We also have three managers that jump in to help bws. Our store manager is one of them.
It's a huge financial loss if not worked. Shrink is through the roof but then there are lost sales too. Then add in customer comments and the impact of bws not being worked hits so many measures.
At Christmas a team is put into bws. It starts before the aisle is open for trade and goes on all day and into the night. We put a Christmas team on from about the second week of dec until after new year. A person on bws is part of this but we still need people during the day. It tends to be two people all day and one person on nights. Feedback from last Christmas was that we needed more than this but was partly down to the wrong person going on nights.
Our bws does well. We take more than the local extra on some lines.
Well by the sounds of it most of the Tesco stores are getting rid of main bank checkouts to have more space for there seasonal goods. Be interesting to see if this the final straw for those on checkouts and leave.
After years of our night crew being stripped to the bone, leavers never fully replaced and certain areas being transferred to days to fill we are now getting several new night staff on 30 hour contracts... they've been told they're permanent and we, the current night staff have been told they're only temporary so who knows what the truth really is? Why, when it's pretty clear Tesco no longer want night staff...or should I say no longer want to pay for night staff, would they be taking on several new staff on permanent 30 hour contracts, it doesn't make sense to me....why now when the summer is almost over? Surely it would have been better to have these people in place back in June ready for the summer.
Surely if they were going to get rid of our night crew, now would be the best time since there's so few of us...less people to move or make redundant?
Allegedly our store was on the list to lose it's night crew in the last cull but somehow we were saved.
It all seems peculiar to me.
Taking collegues on for nights would have little effect for redundancy,as those with little service would most likely get next to nothing and probably would take a twilight position
Quote from: Redshoes on 10-08-22, 11:52AMIt's a huge financial loss if not worked. Shrink is through the roof but then there are lost sales too. Then add in customer comments and the impact of bws not being worked hits so many measures.
A few weeks ago we had an awful day when hours had been cut and combined with various staff sicknesses, lead to pretty much every member of shop floor staff spending the whole day on checkouts.
The next day the SM was happy because there'd been no thefts of spirits that day, it was pointed out that the reason for that was that there was none on the shelf, as nobody to put it there!
Quote from: Tesla on 07-07-22, 08:06PMMore nightshift colleagues are going next quarter.
I believe you sre correct they will be removing night shift by February 2023 which is that they will tell us September 2022 about it.In my store which was metro but became express they are already saying changes are coming but not telling us what the changes are. We are already struggling in the night with many staff leaving since the last 2 years and them not hiring anyone.Which has made tesco night shift difficult. My store manager had asked me fo change my shift to morning or evening which doesn't make any sense as we are already struggling in the nights.
Quote from: NightAndDay on 24-03-22, 07:41PMTesco is a sinking ship, if the degradation in pay and conditions hasn't been indicative of such in the past 8 years then the coming cuts and p**s taking will be, best jump ship while you all can, Everywhere but Icelands pays more atm.
If cuts are coming than you might as well stay.Take the redundancy than leave.
Quote from: biggguy on 17-08-21, 02:51AMWe've already moved them to days ,I thought all stores were the same
In my store we changer from metro to express.We have had many people leave throughout the years I am wondering if we will be having night shift removed.I was told changes are coming this September.
Quote from: Nightproduceworker on 06-07-22, 04:52PMHi, our store has bws moved to days months ago, non food and frozen is next. It's a slow process but eventually it will happen, each section at a time to days/twilight. September will be the next phase then after Christmas. If it's all done at once it will put pressure on warehouses to move their delivery loads around. Said it all along, all they got to do is bring in delivery couple hours earlier and slowly move how's where it fits days/twilight's. Alot of people have left which is good for Tesco because they don't pay redundancies and the hours drop down to meet their criteria.
We have 3 night managers and 1 senior manager. One manager is moving to days in 4 weeks as another change. Again, it's a slow process, the news broke out months ago about Tesco going to simplify their business, nights are going, the money to save on night pay premium is huge,anyone on the verge of retirement, leaving ect is what Tesco will hope for. Any redundancy it will be full timers. We now have less that 10 on nights.
Checkouts going self serve with new installations is another key. The new contract and training for .com and checkouts, roles you can or can't do in the contract is all point towards this big simplified move. Once they get to the point they have cut down staff, like ours some managers have moved to small stores. If they get new staff and need to fill hours they will, but they know having no full timers, offering the overtime is what staff already there will take.
Why I say full timers will be the first in line for any redundancy/paycut/ours cut.
We are an extra with .com. we have .comers come in early hours to fill aswell as they want extra hours. So when Tesco move to days/twilight. That night premium will be gone.
Of course Tesco can't just get rid of you, so you will have meetings. You already have the new contract what shifts/hours and jobs you can do. But when the move comes, your meeting will consist of weather you can move to these hours, fit your lifestyle ect. You leave no redundancy which means Tesco don't have to pay out. But on the grounds they can't fullfil the hours in your contract, you may get offered redundancy. It's abit of tough one as I've heard your old contract, your hours and pay still stand with the new one. I'm not with our union, haven't been for couple years now. Never used or needed them. I feel after they agreed on Tesco behalf for all their union members to a new contract, we don't have a say either way.
I work 22 hours will I get redundancy? My store became express from metro. I heard there will be changes coming this September I dont know what that is. The store manager gas asked me to change my shift from nights to morning which us strange as we have an shortage if staff in the nights. Around 60 percentage of night has left in the last 2 years with no one being hired to replace them.
Redundancy is way down the line. It's not going to be offered in the way it was in the past. Stores will only be able to offer new shifts and possible changes to primary dept. To get redundancy you will have to go through a long process of not being able to move hours. The store will have to send off paperwork and each case will be looked at on an individual basis. Many people took redundancy and left but came back as soon as they could. They are doing everything to prevent this from happening again.
Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 07-07-22, 09:46PMIs that a fact?or guesstimate
I strongly believe it is fact.Already in my store we became an express from metro.At the mod busiest time we received delivery which was christmas eve at that time we managed to finished the work and fill. If we can do that at the busiest time of the year in the morning and evening than we can do it on regular days.
Quote from: Redshoes on 25-08-22, 07:28AMRedundancy is way down the line. It's not going to be offered in the way it was in the past. Stores will only be able to offer new shifts and possible changes to primary dept. To get redundancy you will have to go through a long process of not being able to move hours. The store will have to send off paperwork and each case will be looked at on an individual basis. Many people took redundancy and left but came back as soon as they could. They are doing everything to prevent this from happening again.
I don't know about large stores however in my express store. We already have 13 people in the night shift in total including night manager and 1 shift leader. I strongly believe they will remove night shift from this store. They pressured over 5 colleagues to leave a few months back. Just the couple of weeks over 6 people have left night shift with only 13 people left including shift leader and manager. On top of that we are already struggling in the night however the manager has wanted me to move to days and evenings which makes no sense considering we are struggling in the nights. I have been told changes are coming this September.
I personally wouldn't move to days because some manager asked, seems underhand to be honest.
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I believe they want to do so so they don't pay redundancy. There only 13 people in night in my store which has become an express from metro. With two people Tesco don't need to worry about for redundancy. Which leaves 11 people left with each one making about 15k in redundancy maximum will cost Tesco 165,000 which they can save in cost easily.
Quote from: Bobmay on 25-08-22, 07:00AMQuote from: NightAndDay on 24-03-22, 07:41PMTesco is a sinking ship, if the degradation in pay and conditions hasn't been indicative of such in the past 8 years then the coming cuts and p**s taking will be, best jump ship while you all can, Everywhere but Icelands pays more atm.
If cuts are coming than you might as well stay.Take the redundancy than leave.
Don't know how long you've been at Tesco, but for the past few iterations of "soft structure" changes, redundancy hasn't been offered, the FSM debacle shows the lengths that they will go to to not pay it, they'd rather keep managers in non-existant roles rather than pay them out.
Quote from: NightAndDay on 26-08-22, 11:57AMQuote from: Bobmay on 25-08-22, 07:00AMQuote from: NightAndDay on 24-03-22, 07:41PMTesco is a sinking ship, if the degradation in pay and conditions hasn't been indicative of such in the past 8 years then the coming cuts and p**s taking will be, best jump ship while you all can, Everywhere but Icelands pays more atm.
If cuts are coming than you might as well stay.Take the redundancy than leave.
Don't know how long you've been at Tesco, but for the past few iterations of "soft structure" changes, redundancy hasn't been offered, the FSM debacle shows the lengths that they will go to to not pay it, they'd rather keep managers in non-existant roles rather than pay them out.
The amount of money they will pay out is large but what is also large is the amount of money they can save in thr millions. Tesco is moving towards shift leader pay instead of managers. They will be having only store managers
Quote from: Redshoes on 25-08-22, 07:28AMRedundancy is way down the line. It's not going to be offered in the way it was in the past. Stores will only be able to offer new shifts and possible changes to primary dept. To get redundancy you will have to go through a long process of not being able to move hours. The store will have to send off paperwork and each case will be looked at on an individual basis. Many people took redundancy and left but came back as soon as they could. They are doing everything to prevent this from happening again.
Asking a colleague to move from nights to days isn't a reasonable change so redundancy would need to be offered, info on the yougov website, im hoping to get my redundancy at some point, sooner the better.
True, but Tesco are experts at dragging things out, they will keep people in non-existent roles for years before paying redundo to the point where potential extra pay elsewhere may outweigh the time wasted holding out for redundancy.
But those 'non-existent roles' would have to be on nights.
The thing with redundancies,no company would want to say were making 10,000 people redundant,when youve been through covid,got high profit results,so its easier to stagger them offer alternate roles,but the nature of the beast is everytime a competitor builds a new store it dilutes the market,costs have to be cut somewere
I think if they do anything it will be by role. They removed compliance and personnel managers to start with and then moved to fresh stock control and services managers. I have heard talk of clothing, gm and pfs managers in the extra stores but it seems to depend on the individual stores.
There are still senior team in the company. They are no longer part of the new structure. They are being moved towards taking on different projects and being developed into store managers, but we still have them.
Managers are now just team managers. They have a primary area to be accountable but they are just team managers. As such they can be moved, so if a manager leaves a store things are adjusted for the manager to take on additional tasks so the store gets closer and closer to structure. This contradicts my opening sentence about removing by role but it just means that it's deemed that one manager can oversea a bigger area and it can be very different areas.
Im in extra,we have no pfs,or clothing manager now,gm combined with clothing and pfs,services with checkouts
Quote from: Redshoes on 27-08-22, 03:41AMI think if they do anything it will be by role. They removed compliance and personnel managers to start with and then moved to fresh stock control and services managers. I have heard talk of clothing, gm and pfs managers in the extra stores but it seems to depend on the individual stores.
There are still senior team in the company. They are no longer part of the new structure. They are being moved towards taking on different projects and being developed into store managers, but we still have them.
Managers are now just team managers. They have a primary area to be accountable but they are just team managers. As such they can be moved, so if a manager leaves a store things are adjusted for the manager to take on additional tasks so the store gets closer and closer to structure. This contradicts my opening sentence about removing by role but it just means that it's deemed that one manager can oversea a bigger area and it can be very different areas.
What I don't understand is that we have had a number of managers leave since this new system come in, however, they have all been replaced. The only losses we have had from our structure were bakery merged with counters, and PFS merged with services.
We have run with 'one too few' or 'one too many' managers for a short period of time whilst waiting for people to transfer to/from elsewhere. However in the last 3 months we have had 3 managers leave all of whom were replaced, 1 was a lead manager who has been replaced with another lead.
Quote from: Nomad on 26-08-22, 09:07PMBut those 'non-existent roles' would have to be on nights.
Legally that's true, but a lot of what I've seen by Tesco assumes the affected have no legal knowledge, they try and "buy them out" with things like protected pay which would be much less than redundancy. Or drag out a process for so long that the affected just leave for another job.
Quote from: newguy20 on 27-08-22, 10:59PMQuote from: Redshoes on 27-08-22, 03:41AMI think if they do anything it will be by role. They removed compliance and personnel managers to start with and then moved to fresh stock control and services managers. I have heard talk of clothing, gm and pfs managers in the extra stores but it seems to depend on the individual stores.
There are still senior team in the company. They are no longer part of the new structure. They are being moved towards taking on different projects and being developed into store managers, but we still have them.
Managers are now just team managers. They have a primary area to be accountable but they are just team managers. As such they can be moved, so if a manager leaves a store things are adjusted for the manager to take on additional tasks so the store gets closer and closer to structure. This contradicts my opening sentence about removing by role but it just means that it's deemed that one manager can oversea a bigger area and it can be very different areas.
What I don't understand is that we have had a number of managers leave since this new system come in, however, they have all been replaced. The only losses we have had from our structure were bakery merged with counters, and PFS merged with services.
We have run with 'one too few' or 'one too many' managers for a short period of time whilst waiting for people to transfer to/from elsewhere. However in the last 3 months we have had 3 managers leave all of whom were replaced, 1 was a lead manager who has been replaced with another lead.
Might be that your store is at structure now or it might be that there are stores in your group way over but people are willing to move.
Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 25-08-22, 12:45PMI personally wouldn't move to days because some manager asked, seems underhand to be honest.
The days is more stressful. If they do end up changing the times I will take redundancy and leave.I advised everyone to do the same.
Quote from: Voulezvous on 26-08-22, 06:39PMQuote from: Redshoes on 25-08-22, 07:28AMRedundancy is way down the line. It's not going to be offered in the way it was in the past. Stores will only be able to offer new shifts and possible changes to primary dept. To get redundancy you will have to go through a long process of not being able to move hours. The store will have to send off paperwork and each case will be looked at on an individual basis. Many people took redundancy and left but came back as soon as they could. They are doing everything to prevent this from happening again.
Asking a colleague to move from nights to days isn't a reasonable change so redundancy would need to be offered, info on the yougov website, im hoping to get my redundancy at some point, sooner the better.
You signed an contract with Tesco they have to keep by it.If they do change the hours or remove nights they will offer redundancy. I advise you to take the money and look for better job outside of supermarkets in general.Before supermarket jobs were easy now they are stressful with less staff more workload.
Quote from: NightAndDay on 26-08-22, 07:48PMTrue, but Tesco are experts at dragging things out, they will keep people in non-existent roles for years before paying redundo to the point where potential extra pay elsewhere may outweigh the time wasted holding out for redundancy.
Already in the Tesco I work they removed tons of people by putting to much pressure on them which forced many long servicing staff to leave. So the remaining staff they can choose whether or not to take the redundancy.
Quote from: Sherwoodforest on 26-08-22, 09:24PMThe thing with redundancies,no company would want to say were making 10,000 people redundant,when you've been through Covid,got high profit results,so its easier to stagger them offer alternate roles,but the nature of the beast is every time a competitor builds a new store it dilutes the market,costs have to be cut somewhere
Companies are there to make profits they don't care about redundancies. Tesco is sinking ship if you want to stay and work at a place with to much stress and low pay that's up to you. I would advise you to take the money and save it or invest it and find an better job outside of supermarkets. Supermarkets are known stress and you do the job of not 1 person but 3 to four people.
Quote from: NightAndDay on 27-08-22, 11:41PMQuote from: Nomad on 26-08-22, 09:07PMBut those 'non-existent roles' would have to be on nights.
Legally that's true, but a lot of what I've seen by Tesco assumes the affected have no legal knowledge, they try and "buy them out" with things like protected pay which would be much less than redundancy. Or drag out a process for so long that the affected just leave for another job.
Now with the pandemic and cost of living Tesco can't drag it out. People are spending far less in Tesco especially in express stores. It is only an matter of time before Tesco removes night shift especially from the remaining express stores, as for protected pay it is better to take redundancy and take some time off on holiday and then find another job elsewhere.
All you have to do is put two and two together, it came out in April that Tesco are changing their structure to accommodate the shopping behaviour of customers, they are slowly and surly removing nights! That's the plan, it saves on the long run for premium pay ect. Also put into account the full timers that are still there, our extra store we have about 7/8 full timers left on nights. It's also the old contract people are on that can go sick for a day and still get paid.
That will eventually go, either through as retirement or staff leave due to age/injury no longer want to work there or being sacked.
September/October you may get some more news which is when the energy bill rises, changes may not be made but be warned that after Christmas it will.
This new contract we are on only lasts a year, along with the new training (everyone) can fill, dot.com ect is just another example for Tesco's structure change to days/twilight.
Just look at the staff clothing, all blue now so everyone is the same.
Yes our store people have left and not replaced, I believe some managers played a part without playing a part, just staff being unhappy and left and that's what Tesco want.
Bws,frozen and non food moved to days, but we are getting bws and frozen back due to days can't handle it, now this is store specific not company specific. I'd say if your keeping nights till Christmas it's probably a good idea as we are light ATM and sometimes twiggling are thumbs the last half hour what to do unless you have 15 warburons come in.
We only have 1 lead manager and 2 night managers now aswell, staff I'd say between 20 and 30 on nights.
I guarantee redundancy will happen for any full timers left, part timers maybe a process depending on the nature of the hours they can do. But zero contract hours and part time hours they want staff to do now, full timers will get offered redundancy or a partial and move hours.
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Hi. So my store did the trial for frozen and health and beauty in June 2022 for 18 weeks. We went back to nights in October. Does anyone know if the trial worked and it's going to be a day operation
if it does happen,it will be intresting to see when the new heat maps say it should be filled in the daytime,it could be anytime between 6am and midnight
Personally reckon it will be 6-9am and 9pm till midnight using cashiers displaced by Project River and the fact the aim in most stores is to cut openings hours of manned tills.
Confrence call this morning for all store managers apparently
Anyone heard what the call was about yet? Our store manager was on a call this morning as had a note on the door so must of been something important. As that the only time the note goes on the door
The call might be related to job cuts coming
Could have been giving the xmas update on sales etc?