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Quote from: jm876546886 on 02-03-24, 09:14PM

Quote from: 1982dave on 02-03-24, 06:35PMI'd be more shocked now if we didn't have the staggered pay rise  what on earth is the point in paying into usdaw the fact that they have said to Asda staff to accept it it's pretty poor really as they have done next to nothing to help Tesco store staff either

Another 9ne that's clueless about what the union reps do, why don't you volunteer to step up to be one. Who has mentioned reps ?? No one and clueless yes in fact I paid for what exactly for years oh yea usdaw who aparently balloted all of its members who voted to lose there yearly bonus for better pay rises ... and that was said to me by lady on phone in usdaw offices while I was opting out of losing 8-10 a month now I must have missed that vote .. what has the union done for store staff in past 3-5 years exactly ?? 

Its up to each of us tesco workers to inform the union that we are not happy in the way they act on our behalf, and if we all told them that we will leave the union and join another union like gmb who I know would not bow down to the mighty tesco.we all can moan but and complain, but let's face facts it's up to us to do some thing about it as a large  voice. Or shut up. The ball is in other court

After 30 years as a member and I was a rep for 5 of those years I left union for being to weak to stand up for us they took away our double time then took away our time and a half everything else is being eroded away soon there will be no premiums as for the benefits package we half I would rather have it in my pay packet a few percentage off holidays and from other companies don't pay the bills . Ie costa coffee,Tui holidays,dunhelm whoever they are ,and many to mention.Rant over.

Seems like Asda knows something that Tesco staff are waiting to hear..the payrise! To claim you're  the highest when Tesco doesn't even announce its rates yet and your staff are not been paid that rates yet is getting ahead of yourself..unless as I said Asda knows something we don't..Maybe USDAW tip them off...we'll see in a few days.

It's going to be an interesting next 48 hours or so until our rise is announced ... and agreed about the premiums comment madness to think I and others were on more money working a Sunday when we got 7.62 a hour than now ... of course will there be any premiums left after Tuesday's announcement who knows .... Come on Tesco for once shock for the correct reasons and do the 12£ a hour right away not this staggered pay nonsense

Tesco hasn't valued loyalty for a long time. I really think that they also no longer care about being seeing and known as the best amongst the competition when it comes to what they pay their GAs. We haven't been the best paid for quite some time.

Tesco only want cheap flexi colleagues working at GA level. Expendable, cheap GAs who have no entitlement to premiums or decent sick pay.

Would be interested to know the % of Tesco staff who are actually in Usdaw. If as I suspect it's way under 50% what right do they have to represent the workforce.....

I know last April / may 30 withdrew from union in my store aparently by end of last year it was closer to 60 had left we had loads of reps coming in asking why everyone was leaving union

Quote from: barafear on 28-02-24, 04:12PMI don't think that the outcome will come as any surprise - as someone mentioned on this site a few years ago, it's a race to the bottom - and all the players appear to be determined to dead heat for that race - we seem to have settled on a position (with all retailers) on a rate of approx 5% above the official NLW - although many of them are now claiming to pay/match the "Real Living Foundation Wage" - just happens to be £12 and approx 5% higher than the official NLW.

The remaining things are just playing around with things at the edges - I notice M&S came out with improved maternity/paternity packages - but I think T did that last year - Aldi mentions it is the only retailer to offer paid breaks - and at the mo, T is the only one to pay Sunday premium (I note that Lidl mentioned a BH premium - I don't know whether other retailers still offer BH premiums) -

So in summary, it seems that T will join the £12 crowd - and potentially/probably remove some of our premiums/erode it further - and then they are simply matching what the others do - so we're price matching Aldi - and soon all retailers will be salary-matching everyone else!!

All rather boring really.

They will cut down on night premium remove Sunday premiums in my opinion.

Quote from: Bobmay on 03-03-24, 02:45PM

Quote from: barafear on 28-02-24, 04:12PMI don't think that the outcome will come as any surprise - as someone mentioned on this site a few years ago, it's a race to the bottom - and all the players appear to be determined to dead heat for that race - we seem to have settled on a position (with all retailers) on a rate of approx 5% above the official NLW - although many of them are now claiming to pay/match the "Real Living Foundation Wage" - just happens to be £12 and approx 5% higher than the official NLW.

The remaining things are just playing around with things at the edges - I notice M&S came out with improved maternity/paternity packages - but I think T did that last year - Aldi mentions it is the only retailer to offer paid breaks - and at the mo, T is the only one to pay Sunday premium (I note that Lidl mentioned a BH premium - I don't know whether other retailers still offer BH premiums) -

So in summary, it seems that T will join the £12 crowd - and potentially/probably remove some of our premiums/erode it further - and then they are simply matching what the others do - so we're price matching Aldi - and soon all retailers will be salary-matching everyone else!!

All rather boring really.

They will cut down on night premium remove Sunday premiums in my opinion.

they won't cut night premium, there must be an incentive to work night and considering they just increase team managers and lead managers night premium they can't justify cutting it, Sunday and Bank Holiday premium will probably decrease by percentage but that will be it.

union rep in our say,s nights are here to stay for the Foreseeable years to come because the trail of Twilight did not work out, but here is the big question what will happen when all us old timers that are getting ready to retire in some cases very soon, it is a known fact that the younger staff find it hard to work the night shift, they dont stay long, some day staff have come on nights for a few days and they all say they hate it. if tesco do cut the premiums yet again then they will see a lot of night workers retire sooner rather than later,

Furthermore, a study by the Trades Union Congress (TUC) revealed that approximately 924,000 workers aged over 50 regularly work through the night. This figure has increased over the past five years as older individuals stay in the workforce longer, and more night-shift jobs are created, especially in sectors like social care

Quote from: rupert7 on 03-03-24, 06:54PMunion rep in our say,s nights are here to stay for the Foreseeable years to come because the trail of Twilight did not work out, but here is the big question what will happen when all us old timers that are getting ready to retire in some cases very soon, it is a known fact that the younger staff find it hard to work the night shift, they dont stay long, some day staff have come on nights for a few days and they all say they hate it. if tesco do cut the premiums yet again then they will see a lot of night workers retire sooner rather than later,

Furthermore, a study by the Trades Union Congress (TUC) revealed that approximately 924,000 workers aged over 50 regularly work through the night. This figure has increased over the past five years as older individuals stay in the workforce longer, and more night-shift jobs are created, especially in sectors like social care
[/quote"nights here for the forseeable"? Really our teams are literally on there knees most nights around 8 to 9 people but have been down to 3 due to holidays sickness and no recreatment allowed. so whats going on as store not getting done

Older colleagues likely stick to night shifts because that is what they have done for many many years and/or need the money. Older colleagues are also less likely to want to adapt to change.

There isn't really an incentive for a lot of people to work nights at Tesco anymore. If you're a younger colleague with a young family and/or in education then it doesn't make any sense to work through the night for so little extra in your pay each month.

I was on nights for years until our night team was cut in 2016. I've been on days ever since, I don't miss working the night shift. My health is better and so is my home life.

Any news yet?

Quote from: KAZ on 04-03-24, 10:02AMAny news yet?

it's tomorrow at 10 am

Could this literally be the first time it hasn't been leaked my senior dept manager reckons it was agreed weeks ago but let's see what is announced tomorow

Quote from: Hammer10 on 03-03-24, 03:46AMAfter 30 years as a member and I was a rep for 5 of those years I left union for being to weak to stand up for us they took away our double time then took away our time and a half everything else is being eroded away soon there will be no premiums as for the benefits package we half I would rather have it in my pay packet a few percentage off holidays and from other companies don't pay the bills . Ie costa coffee,Tui holidays,dunhelm whoever they are ,and many to mention.Rant over.

How much of that did you put in via the store forums? were any of you're SD forum pay reviews done right? I'm trying to find out how widespread the issue of store managers suppressing the pay review is or if reps are actually conducting the surveys in the first place.

Quote from: 1982dave on 03-03-24, 12:40AM

Quote from: jm876546886 on 02-03-24, 09:14PM

Quote from: 1982dave on 02-03-24, 06:35PMI'd be more shocked now if we didn't have the staggered pay rise  what on earth is the point in paying into usdaw the fact that they have said to Asda staff to accept it it's pretty poor really as they have done next to nothing to help Tesco store staff either

Another 9ne that's clueless about what the union reps do, why don't you volunteer to step up to be one. Who has mentioned reps ?? No one and clueless yes in fact I paid for what exactly for years oh yea usdaw who aparently balloted all of its members who voted to lose there yearly bonus for better pay rises ... and that was said to me by lady on phone in usdaw offices while I was opting out of losing 8-10 a month now I must have missed that vote .. what has the union done for store staff in past 3-5 years exactly ?? 

negotiated higher pay increases than the company were offering every year, stopped the removal of skills payments, forced them to retrain Sunday premiums for a little bit longer, removed flexi contracts, required minimums of 16 hour contracts to be issued. But you all seem to forget those parts. 

Quote from: SAMCRO on 03-03-24, 11:35AMTesco hasn't valued loyalty for a long time. I really think that they also no longer care about being seeing and known as the best amongst the competition when it comes to what they pay their GAs. We haven't been the best paid for quite some time.

Tesco only want cheap flexi colleagues working at GA level. Expendable, cheap GAs who have no entitlement to premiums or decent sick pay.

It was made clear last year that the company does not care about being the top supermarket for pay

Quote from: londoner83 on 03-03-24, 12:43PMWould be interested to know the % of Tesco staff who are actually in Usdaw. If as I suspect it's way under 50% what right do they have to represent the workforce.....

It isn't under 50% and what your saying is counter productive, the union is only as strong as its members, if your negotiating pay for 49% of the work force vs 51% they don't have to listen at all. Morrisons has a yes no vote on pay, they still don't bother voting, The pay questionnaire is put put every year, a tiny amount of people bother voting in it. If you want better pay you need to start asking for it.

If you want better pay u need to ask for it from the union rep this is don't forget said union agreed with Tesco that staff would lose there yearly bonus to get a better yearly payrise  which according to lady in usdaw offices all union members overwhelmingly agreed to it funny that even union reps in my store had no idea of such that's why 60odd staff left usdaw ...

No the instore reps didn't.. There are reps on the NEC and Pay review team that negotiate on every usdaw members behalf unless your instore rep is on that pay review team.. No the instore rep has not decided any of that.

Ahh yes these people who literally bend over and accept what Tescos tell them  but not give staff the chance to vote on weather they would agree to lose there bonus  better pay or what ever lol again what on earth is the point on paying into such a farce when the staff who is represented do not get a chance to speak ...

I feel like you don't understand the pay review process.

Tesco will not look at anything that is not submitted into the stores forums

In store reps should conduct a survey just before september each year to ask members what they want negotiated

this then gets submitted into stores forums

And This Is where the problems start.

The store manager has to put that pay review information into the SD forum

The SD forum reps should be going to the SD forum armed with the information and then voting on the priority of the pay review e.g base pay , skills pay

The same information is sent into usdaw by the reps

Then its supposed to go up the chain.

The problem isn't usdaw its Tesco and the stores forum process. It is not right to blame union reps for this , the ones that complete the process correctly have done their job.

What does the SD stand for?

Thanks for explaining how the process should work.

My opinion on all this is that it is all fairly irrelevant - because if we all "say what we want" - none of us are going to say : I'm happy with £11 an hour (or NLW) - I'm happy not to have any chance of a bonus - I'm happy that any other benefits are kept at the absolute statutory minimum -

Therefore what we're all likely to say is "We want £15 an hour, paid breaks, higher night premiums, higher weekend and BH premiums, 20% staff discount at least six months of the year and a guaranteed 5%+ bonus each year - oh and whilst you're at it - an extra week's leave would be good too"

Ultimately it comes down to any business as to what's affordable - and it's easy to say Tesco will make £2.4bn profit this year - so of course it's affordable - but reality is a bit different.

If anyone on here is a homeowner and wants to sell their house, they don't sell it to someone for £40k under market value because the buyers seemed like a nice deserving family - it's all about market value and getting the most etc.

For a business, they need to minimise costs and maximise revenue (sales) and try to increase profit margin.

Staff costs are a big part of Tesco's costs - and they are controllable somewhat - i.e. they can set the rate of pay for all of us and state how many hours each store/dept has within their budget - other costs might be out of their control somewhat - for example transport costs - when diesel prices soared and when HGV drivers shortage meant they had to pay a premium on them.

Unfortunately, for the majority of us that tomorrow's announcement affects, we're all fairly unskilled/easily replaceable (even by automation) - and there's not really too much of a lack of people to replace us if Tesco deem it necessary - we're never going to be able to strike or walkout - we have very little powers in any sort of industrial dispute with Tesco - the only thing in our favour is "public opinion of Tesco" if they "treated" us poorly. But even that dies down pretty quickly.