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With news today of a mass of backroom and management job losses in Asda, do you think Tesco will be following developments closely?

No. They won't be copying Asda, they'll have years of cuts planned in advance.

Where one goes the others follows.

Just like your Christmas Tree, Tesco keep their next structure changes in the attic.
Once your neighbours put their tree up, everyone will follow.
Im sure once they can find someone to bring the box down from the attic, we will see swift changes.

Will the last person to leave the shop floor please turn out the lights :(

Think we already done alot of backroom and office cuts already. Asda are behind with us.

How many stores will not be having staff on main bank tills before Eight am and After Ten pm ? using self serve tills only before eight am and after ten pm meaning job hours moved around the business / lost , How many stores are going to card payment only on some of the main bank tills ? , again meaning a reduction in someone hours as that someone will have less till checks to do and less change runs to do . Then there is the reduction in cash office hours as there is no cash to handle from the card only tills etc , then there is the changing rooms on clothing that are not being used at  the moment due to Corona virus , this will become the norm again job hours moved around he business / lost due to not having to staff the changing rooms . Little tweaks here and there to save an hour or two ? , all cost saving measures . On a different note one of the One Stop branches i know of  even moved there opening times from six am in a morning till seven am in a morning - cost saving in every corner of the business including the subsidary's . Never trust Tosco for anything and never think your jobs safe if they can stab you in the back to save a few quid they will regardless of how loyal you are .

Well said.

A cull of senior store management would be good. Get big salaries for doing very little apart from filling shelves and criticising staff for things they cant even do themselves.

Anyone know what the briefing is about today I'm on day off so will miss out

Didn't even know there was a briefing? Anyone with any knowledge of anything? Is it just your store or is it a roll out briefing to all store managers like when they announced counters/bakery situation?

Our store has too managers first then team leaders after

I believe it’s pay review briefing - don’t panic !

Are team leaders usually asked to pay review meetings?

Just managers been asked in our store, it will be cascaded to team leaders after that

Here dotcom team leaders have their briefing first then checkouts
Inc shielders and anyone off joining conference call from home

Perhaps the review is impacting team leaders, I’m sure it will be posted up soon

Been asked to get in touch with store as to a business change, anyone any ideas?

Have to upto see my store manager at 2pm with other Team Support

Don’t know but from February the share price has plummeted.

Haven’t been given exact details for our store but management change and team support change managers not in charge off specific areas = less managers team support to look after PFs desks trolleys as well as checkouts

Basically want to start implementing what they did with metros that caused utter chaos. Couple of managers running the store in the morning and same in the evening and having team support running specific depts. colleagues working where they are needed, not specifically on any one department. Ridiculous.

It’s a business change - checkout team supports gone, dot com team support role change to fulfilment support. Shop floor split between team managers and shift leaders (same pay as express role and dot com fulfilment role), reduced team managers to make way for the shift leaders (by natural wastage only)

Some checkout team support in my store seem to think it’s store specific,after having a briefing with the store manager earlier,and they are not affected and safe,not sure if they heard wrong,a few of them even come in on their days off unpaid to help out with rota’s and holiday booking,it will be a big shock for a couple of them if their job no longer exists

The difference is between superstores and ‘large’ stores. Superstores are losing the checkout team supports

Currently dotcom driver on more hourly rate so how does that work if you have to be trained in all areas? Picker team support and checkout team support on the same hourly rate currently. Will all hourly rate change to be the same?

Quote from: Dontbelieveaword on 01-03-21, 11:22AM
Anyone know what the briefing is about today I'm on day off so will miss out

Managers will be based off head count not dept. Soft structure change. Will mean less managers doing more of the management side of there job. That's all we know
More to come in 24-48hrs.
1-2-1s from Thursday

What formats is this does it include extras

Checkout Team Support is not gone
Role chnage to look.after PFS / CSD / Trollies
Hrs.allowed for Checkout Team Support is store specific.
Thats all I was told

Quote from: Tosco91 on 01-03-21, 01:43PM
It’s a business change - checkout team supports gone, dot com team support role change to fulfilment support. Shop floor split between team managers and shift leaders (same pay as express role and dot com fulfilment role), reduced team managers to make way for the shift leaders (by natural wastage only)

In our store all checkout team support are gone (medium superstore)

Team support are going. They will become ordinary colleagues and get some sort of payment protection or lump sum.

Manager structure will change completely.
All will become team managers. Each will be accountable for an area of the store.
This is thought to be changing every year, so one year might be accountable for checkouts and PI, next year could be responsible for all the replen activitys.
No redundancys being offered at this stage but could be subject to further review down the line.
Amount of managers will be depending on store head count. Not sure on what the headcount will be for each manager but it’s thought to be split equally between all managers.
This will hopefully cut out the poor managers that the business carries and leave only the ones who are actually capable of delivering their roles in the right way. No more being a produce manager for 20yrs on 30k with only 7 colleagues

Yes extras included all stores

Really intrigued to see how they turn 14 managers plus lead team in our store to.the new structure with no redundancies. 🤷‍â™,️🤷‍â™,️🤷‍â™,️

Team support isn’t going. It’s store specific. Checkout team support are going to be called service team leaders and will look after trollies/csd/pfs and checkouts. Dotcom team support are fulfilment team leaders and look after the driver and picking side of dotcom.

nice to do this just out of the pandemic.. we were heroes once!! pressure to move gonna be contructive dismissal... take a rep in , no one have informal meetings, its like dave never left!

How can they get away with not offering redundancy it’s a change of job and terms? Has to be?

Team Support are not going
Will be reduced / inceeased as per store structure

Quote from: Davethebave on 01-03-21, 04:42PM
Team support are going. They will become ordinary colleagues and get some sort of payment protection or lump sum.

Manager structure will change completely.
All will become team managers. Each will be accountable for an area of the store.
This is thought to be changing every year, so one year might be accountable for checkouts and PI, next year could be responsible for all the replen activitys.
No redundancys being offered at this stage but could be subject to further review down the line.
Amount of managers will be depending on store head count. Not sure on what the headcount will be for each manager but it’s thought to be split equally between all managers.
This will hopefully cut out the poor managers that the business carries and leave only the ones who are actually capable of delivering their roles in the right way. No more being a produce manager for 20yrs on 30k with only 7 colleagues

Apologies, team support seems to be store/ region specific?

Team support in my local areas are going. A physical colleague will still be doing the off till activities but without the payment or all of the responsibilities of a current team support. This is from from 5 medium size superstores.

As for reducing the amount of managers in stores without redundancy this will be through retirement, not replacing leavers, moving managers to stores that are short (obv this will have to suit both parties, closer to manager home for example)

There’s a lot of conflicting information on here. Can  anyone that has actually attended the briefing today confirm whether dotcom team leaders are staying or whether they are being mixed in with checkout team leaders and all doing same role?

My understanding is Dot Com Team Support become Customer Fulfillment Team Supports. No involvement in checkouts.

Dotcom team support will be staying just changing title.
Might be a few changes in what is expected of them, not sure on the detail as I don’t deal with dotcom stores.

Shift leaders will be introduced, are people mixing this up with the current team support role perhaps?

Quote from: Davethebave on 01-03-21, 05:34PM
Apologies, team support seems to be store/ region specific?

Team support in my local areas are going. A physical colleague will still be doing the off till activities but without the payment or all of the responsibilities of a current team support. This is from from 5 medium size superstores.

As for reducing the amount of managers in stores without redundancy this will be through retirement, not replacing leavers, moving managers to stores that are short (obv this will have to suit both parties, closer to manager home for example)

We have a management team with the closest manager 10 years away from retirement. No one will leave any time soon based on how the world is with Covid. So.unless shops nearby are all massively under manned which I doubt given they still have not managed to deal with stock manager positions I just dont see how they minimise head count any time soon. time will tell.

what about stores who still have a PFS manager?,surely they don't need a team support as well?

Quote from: Davethebave on 01-03-21, 04:42PM

Manager structure will change completely.
All will become team managers. Each will be accountable for an area of the store.
This is thought to be changing every year, so one year might be accountable for checkouts and PI, next year could be responsible for all the replen activitys.

Well that sounds very Ill conceived and thought out, and cannot see that being a disaster   at all.

Quote from: Davethebave on 01-03-21, 05:52PM
Dotcom team support will be staying just changing title.
Might be a few changes in what is expected of them, not sure on the detail as I don’t deal with dotcom stores.

Shift leaders will be introduced, are people mixing this up with the current team support role perhaps?

Basically driver team support role goes and new role loses the driving skill payment (85p odd ph). Also stream lining number of team supports. We go from 4 to 2. In effect the driver TS are gone and you left with just 2 picking team supports with a name change and some driver responsibilities.

Quote from: rogerthedodger on 01-03-21, 05:02PM
How can they get away with not offering redundancy it’s a change of job and terms? Has to be?

I agree, surely checkout team support becoming checkout, customer service, trolleys and petrol filling station service team leader is an entirely different role.

Checkout Team support become service team support and are responsible for pfs, desks, trollies, cash office and front end.

So will the no longer be department manager roles?

We had a services team leader , that role went , we have a manager who is over desk pfs cash office and trollys , why would we now have team support? Would this mean manager role going ?

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Quote from: Davethebave on 01-03-21, 05:52PM
Dotcom team support will be staying just changing title.
Might be a few changes in what is expected of them, not sure on the detail as I don’t deal with dotcom stores.

Shift leaders will be introduced, are people mixing this up with the current team support role perhaps?

Basically driver team support role goes and new role loses the driving skill payment (85p odd ph).

How does that work when the driver team support does a lot of driving?

Are shift leaders being introduced to all stores now? Is shift leader and team support the same rate of pay?

The managers question is being widely debated here Stock Managers (https://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?topic=17075.msg247094;topicseen#top)

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Hi All,

I have had the briefing today and my SM went into great detail from the pack

In response to post above regarding driving team support, the impact is as follows

- Move to fulfilment support role and lose the driving payment (go onto same pay as standard team support / shift leader

- choice to take 18 month retainer or 18 month bulk sum of difference

- won’t need to re apply for role unless new number of fulfilment support roles is less than current number of team supports

- the new fulfilment support role is 100% task and does not include any driving or picking in the job description

Fire away if anyone has any other questions, I’ll answer what I can based on what I know - there is more info to SM’s today regarding what it looks like for individual stores (number of new roles, number of new TM vs Shift lead roles too)

In other areas, checkout team support IS being removed in all stores and being resolved with service team support in SOME stores. In our store for example there is no longer either role, we are a medium superstore in the south of England

Team managers remain but reduced numbers (only through retirements and not replacing leavers etc) and will be split with shift leaders (won’t he introduced until managers leave and the structure aligns) TM’s will have equal share of head count (dot com excluded) and will MANAGE. Shift leaders will open and close and hold duty

How can they not offer redundancy of the role is no longer there?

I asked that question, I was simply told redundancy is no longer offered in any changes across Tesco as they have moved away from that - the legalities of that I’m afraid I have no idea about

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Quote from: Davethebave on 01-03-21, 05:52PM
Dotcom team support will be staying just changing title.
Might be a few changes in what is expected of them, not sure on the detail as I don’t deal with dotcom stores.

Shift leaders will be introduced, are people mixing this up with the current team support role perhaps?

Basically driver team support role goes and new role loses the driving skill payment (85p odd ph).

How does that work when the driver team support does a lot of driving?

Driver team support does a lot of driving? Not in my store DTS usually sat upstairs with the driver manager!

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Store specific again - in my old store the driving team support did 14-23 daily and drove every evening. In my new store they are fully tasked and don’t drive

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They did hours expected of the role and got the deserved pay
In this store DTS does 8am-5/6pm 5 days a week ! Great job
Highest paid TS and great hours no driving
I welcome the change in my store and I also feel for the ones who don’t deserve this change.

The pay differentials between Shift Leaders and starting salary TMs is marginal at best, some would see this as making the TMs role easier, in reality there is very little difference between a TM and an SL.

So dotcom manager is going? I can’t see dotcom being run just by random manager of the day

Hi thanks for the information, was there any information about lead managers both nights and days and what will happen with these roles?

Mangers are often filling shelves.

They need to be in the office doing managerial things and disciplinaries etc.

Select people from the store to hold the keys, open close store, use the tablet for shifts.

Will be a lot of favouritism, if you are female and blonde, your luck is in.

Hi everyone,


I had my briefing yesterday. I’m currently a checkout team support in a small superstore, we’re all going and have been told we either sit on checkouts for £9.30 but have off till duties, assuming we will be runners or we can reapply for the shift leader role, I don’t really understand why we have to re interview if the goal of this is to restructure and ‘retain’ skill as the brief says.

Has anyone else been told they have to reinterview for the shift leader role. Also, as there isn’t a lot of information out at the minute does anyone know when the next lot of comms will come out.

Thanks

Stores with 15 team managers and 3/4 lead team are really going to sit on a lot of excess managers and not recruit shift leaders because there are too many managers so think many stores will not see a change for years to come. I think this makes business sense but seems to me in order to acheive what they want to that redundancy has to be an option. Be interesting to see who is responsible for who and how that is decided.

Dot com managers are not going no - they will sit above the new fulfilment support / leader role, most dot com with one manager currently will go to two

Lead managers will go in smaller stores but as with the managers / shift leader situation there will be no redundancies and they just won’t be replaced when they leave (hence a post above saying we won’t see these changes for years - in most cases we won’t!)

Next set of comms comes out today - this is just store specific detail about which banding stores fall into in relation to number of new lead team, TM’s vs SL proportion and also dot com structure

Formal meetings to start for 30 days for checkout TS Wednesday and dot com TS from Thursday

Is there a threshold for second manager?

Quote from: Tosco91 on 02-03-21, 11:11AM
Dot com managers are not going no - they will sit above the new fulfilment support / leader role, most dot com with one manager currently will go to two

Lead managers will go in smaller stores but as with the managers / shift leader situation there will be no redundancies and they just won’t be replaced when they leave (hence a post above saying we won’t see these changes for years - in most cases we won’t!)

Next set of comms comes out today - this is just store specific detail about which banding stores fall into in relation to number of new lead team, TM’s vs SL proportion and also dot com structure

Formal meetings to start for 30 days for checkout TS Wednesday and dot com TS from Thursday

In dotcom is there a threshold for a second manager?

Quote from: Tosco91 on 02-03-21, 11:11AM
Dot com managers are not going no - they will sit above the new fulfilment support / leader role, most dot com with one manager currently will go to two

Lead managers will go in smaller stores but as with the managers / shift leader situation there will be no redundancies and they just won’t be replaced when they leave (hence a post above saying we won’t see these changes for years - in most cases we won’t!)

Next set of comms comes out today - this is just store specific detail about which banding stores fall into in relation to number of new lead team, TM’s vs SL proportion and also dot com structure

Formal meetings to start for 30 days for checkout TS Wednesday and dot com TS from Thursday

Would managers naturally stay in the role they are doing until store are in a position to launch new structure? As a previous food stock manager and now a stock and admin I have no idea what my future role will be.

any word on the supposed driver restructuring that was going to happen pre-covid?

At work they call me the Vindicator.

That’s because I disseminate;

The s**t that I speak is legitimate.

Colleague 3000000

Yes there is a threshold for second manager, SM’s will be told that today and what bracket they fit into. Managers will stay in current structure as example below

Store currently has 12 team managers

Under new bracket / structure they are allowed 6 team managers and 4 shift leaders

There will be no shift leader roles until the number of team managers naturally decreases

But surely unless they start forcibly start moving managers around the business to fill vacancies (normally in inner city expresses) it will take decades for managers to decrease via natural wastage.....

When colleagues go above shift leader level, retention levels skyrocket, they are then at the position where they can't easily find another job in an unskilled domain that pays them similar amounts in remuneration except in Retail, and this would usually mean starting at the bottom or on trainee wages until deemed good enough for the advertised salary, which further discourages them to jump ship.

Quote from: Tosco91 on 02-03-21, 02:51PM
Yes there is a threshold for second manager, SM’s will be told that today and what bracket they fit into. Managers will stay in current structure as example below

Store currently has 12 team managers

Under new bracket / structure they are allowed 6 team managers and 4 shift leaders

There will be no shift leader roles until the number of team managers naturally decreases

How would that work with a GM manager with 8 staff and a Stock and Admin with 27? With them both being "Team Managers" no department....who do they then manage? All a bit confusing.

Been told today the stock / admin manager in our store, goes from 15 staff up to 48 she will pick up produce, csd and dairy....additional to stock/admin...med superstore.

Anyone have any idea what’s going to happen to night managers?

Not great news for any recently signed off managers or anyone nearing their options journey then? Which is strange as our store has really been pushing options as of late.

I wonder if they'll offer managers who aren't yet signed off the shift leader roles, instead of a team manager role. Since they technically aren't team managers yet it would make sense.

Quote from: lfcni1986 on 02-03-21, 03:45PM
Not great news for any recently signed off managers or anyone nearing their options journey then? Which is strange as our store has really been pushing options as of late.

So that they had ready made shift leaders one could assume.

Quote from: trolleyboy96 on 02-03-21, 03:32PM
Been told today the stock / admin manager in our store, goes from 15 staff up to 48 she will pick up produce, csd and dairy....additional to stock/admin...med superstore.

This just indicates how different each store is. Our store is an Extra with very large dot com, would take stock and admin headcount from 27 to 65/70. Going to be very interesting.

Redundancy is to expensive to offer as an option now, it’s far cheaper to lean on people using the SYP process and push them out instead. 🤷🏻‍â™,️

Anyone see the amount of people online right now.

Lots of worry and confusion?

With the pandemic on right now. Do you think the union or individual stores are united enough to ballet for strike action?

Thought the same. Can see why people are worried though, TL's dropping to GA pay could struggle to cover bills, etc.

why do u think they have done it at this time, no one cou;d trun down a job change they can do what they want

Might be mistaken but didn't UselessDaw screw us over so we're unable to strike?

Nothing surprises me any more but surely someone, somewhere, is going to have to take a stand before it's too late... or is that just wishful thinking on my part?

All team support losing jobs should take legal advice. If your role has gone and you will eventually be on lower pay fight for redundancy. It's been done before.

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Quote from: Tosco91 on 02-03-21, 02:51PM
Yes there is a threshold for second manager, SM’s will be told that today and what bracket they fit into. Managers will stay in current structure as example below

Store currently has 12 team managers

Under new bracket / structure they are allowed 6 team managers and 4 shift leaders

There will be no shift leader roles until the number of team managers naturally decreases

How would that work with a GM manager with 8 staff and a Stock and Admin with 27? With them both being "Team Managers" no department....who do they then manage? All a bit confusing.

Our team managers have been told they won’t have departments to manage (same as eventually colleagues won’t have departments either) - the managers are all being given an equal share of the head count (dot com is excluded from this and is separate)

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Quote from: Tosco91 on 02-03-21, 02:51PM
Yes there is a threshold for second manager, SM’s will be told that today and what bracket they fit into. Managers will stay in current structure as example below

Store currently has 12 team managers

Under new bracket / structure they are allowed 6 team managers and 4 shift leaders

There will be no shift leader roles until the number of team managers naturally decreases

How would that work with a GM manager with 8 staff and a Stock and Admin with 27? With them both being "Team Managers" no department....who do they then manage? All a bit confusing.

Our team managers have been told they won’t have departments to manage (same as eventually colleagues won’t have departments either) - the managers are all being given an equal share of the head count (dot com is excluded from this and is separate)

Yeah it is a similar situation in our store. But if one manager is responsible for all the staff on Fresh food then ther department is fresh food surely? If 2 managers are running fresh food operation then surely they will have a responsibility for those staff?

Ours have been told the same but with the added if you have the bulk of colleagues from a dept assigned to you then you will be responsible/accountable for that dept.

Is it time we consider balloting for strike action, simply the thought alone would show that not all Tesco shelf fillers are spineless losers.

It’s time to show that we are more than just a number.

but we wont

Bullies paradise ....... its the only way they will be able to run stores.

We like our jobs.

We like our customers.

We like our colleagues.

We like it even though it is shelf filling.

We want to be treated with dignity and respect.

We want to have pride and honour again.

We want to talk to our reps, we want to be balloted for strike action.

Let’s face it, the union doesn’t have the balls to strike

apparently we cannot strike:

Some of the following is a bit irrelevant but does state the no strike agreement Usdaw and Tesco (in their partnership) made.

Usdaw No Strike Agreement
DECEMBER 19, 2020 by ADMIN
The agreement, which encompasses the entire retail sector within Tesco, was signed under the main reason that the union would be able to recruit more members in collaboration with the company. In reality, the agreement is an obstacle to action and calls into question USDAW`s independence from the company. The main reason Tesco proposed this agreement was to stop union activities. So far, it has succeeded in completely halting labour disputes. Heathrow employees will be on strike on 14, 17 and 18 December for redundancy and reinstatement projects… Workers have been stimulated by strikes. The participation rate was 67%, 73% for this. And there was a good atmosphere on the picket line that brought many of the site`s 380 employees together to talk about other topics such as workload, moral harassment and compensation. One worker told the socialist: “We went today for the ridiculous attack on our policy of presence, but it could have been for a whole series of things of which we had a whole series of things. But this strike is a good start. USDAW is the recognized union for workers employed by Tesco; As a result, it has the largest recognition agreement in the private sector and more than 160,000 (more than a third) of its members work for Tesco.

Other companies that have signed partnership agreements with USDAW are Morrisons, Sainsbury`s, The Co-operative Group, Primark, Asda, Argos and Boots. For these reasons, we need a wrestling union, considered totally independent of the company. USDAW must abandon the partnership agreement with Tesco and start fighting, as our colleagues in Dagenham have done. USDAW is the recognized union in sainsbury`s` huge distribution centre in Sherburn-in Elmet, Leeds. They were voluntarily recognized almost five years ago when the site opened. In return for the recognition, the USDAW agreed to disable the 10-hour night shift limit for road drivers, which led truck drivers to work too long at night. USDAW also signed the right to strike for all Workers in Sherburn.

Its is pretty easy to get out of a no-strike agreement its not a legally binding contract.  We just have to say that we want to strike. That's it the agreement is then over.  It becomes void then we can strike.

We just agreed not to, we just have to give them notice that we do want to. That's it.  We can strike if we want to, no court would disagree.

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A court would disagree as by working for Tesco you accept as part of your terms and conditions the agreement between them and Usdaw known as the partnership and that includes a valid no strike clause. The only way to get it removed would be for the Union to ask Tesco to remove the clause or if new laws are passed banning such a clause.

On a slightly different note, I'm a said driver team support who's been off for a week, had a phone call from the store manager yesterday to explain the changes (vaguely!), anyway my question is how does the lump sum payment work? I'm seriously considering dropping back to a driver as the role looks to be significantly changing for the worse and in my opinion it will be a more hands off role which I won't enjoy in the slightest. As the rate of pay difference between myself and a driver is some £2.14 an hour anybody have an idea how the figure would be calculated?

It’s an agreement.

You can end agreements.

It is legal for us to give notice that we want to end it.

That’s it.

We can strike.

We can strike if we want but we are not protected from dismissal.

If that's the case I suspect you may struggle to convince people to strike eh?

Must say, I've read about this infamous no strike clause multiple times over the years on this site, not once has anyone posted any documentation showing it, the cynic in me finds that rather odd.

Quote from: Gooner83 on 02-03-21, 08:55PM
On a slightly different note, I'm a said driver team support who's been off for a week, had a phone call from the store manager yesterday to explain the changes (vaguely!), anyway my question is how does the lump sum payment work? I'm seriously considering dropping back to a driver as the role looks to be significantly changing for the worse and in my opinion it will be a more hands off role which I won't enjoy in the slightest. As the rate of pay difference between myself and a driver is some £2.14 an hour anybody have an idea how the figure would be calculated?

I’ve been told it’s your contracted hrs X your skills payment X 78 weeks. Not 100% that this is right but from the brief that’s what I got. I’m assuming this will be taxed as well.

That was my guess too, I know it's definitely taxable, looking like a good option for a chunk of cash, I've just seen the role pack on ourtesco too, it's more of a managers job than a manager currently does for less pay!

Where can you find the role pack for the new service team leaders job and the new .com roles?

It's not letting me post the link,

Under "opportunities to get on", "careers", my role pack

Quote from: Justwaiting on 02-03-21, 09:53PM
Where can you find the role pack for the new service team leaders job and the new .com roles?

under colleague help, heres the link

https://colleague-help.ourtesco.com/hc/en-us/sections/360010074672-My-Role-Packs

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Quote from: Tosco91 on 02-03-21, 02:51PM
Yes there is a threshold for second manager, SM’s will be told that today and what bracket they fit into. Managers will stay in current structure as example below

Store currently has 12 team managers

Under new bracket / structure they are allowed 6 team managers and 4 shift leaders

There will be no shift leader roles until the number of team managers naturally decreases

How would that work with a GM manager with 8 staff and a Stock and Admin with 27? With them both being "Team Managers" no department....who do they then manage? All a bit confusing.

Our team managers have been told they won’t have departments to manage (same as eventually colleagues won’t have departments either) - the managers are all being given an equal share of the head count (dot com is excluded from this and is separate)

Hi Tosco91,

I’m currently in a picker manager role with 2 other managers in Dotcom, when you say Dotcom is excluded from this, do you mean it’s excluded from the structure change or excluded from the equal headcount?

Thanks

Quite laughable, really, "Opportunities to Get On"  ???.

Those at the top, completely out of touch with reality, should go one step further and open up Job Centres in the Mortuary, sorry 'Colleague Room'... Either that or hand the keys over to the German discounters seeing as they are so Hell bent on emulating them!

Edit: sorry Nomad for going slightly off topic here...

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Quote from: Gooner83 on 02-03-21, 08:55PM
On a slightly different note, I'm a said driver team support who's been off for a week, had a phone call from the store manager yesterday to explain the changes (vaguely!), anyway my question is how does the lump sum payment work? I'm seriously considering dropping back to a driver as the role looks to be significantly changing for the worse and in my opinion it will be a more hands off role which I won't enjoy in the slightest. As the rate of pay difference between myself and a driver is some £2.14 an hour anybody have an idea how the figure would be calculated?

I’m in the same position as you, driver team support, we have 2 picking team leaders and 2 driver team leaders, they want to reduce that to 2 and a half jobs, 1 part time Im guessing, will go on points scoring who keeps the job, will lose the £2 skilled payment which I got told will be around 5k for 18 months worth, basically said if you don’t get job you can go back to been a driver, also the rota will change so it will be different hours every few week with weekends, also be running both sides if you get job and drop the down to basic team support wage, think I’ll be going back driving for sake of a quid not worth the stress of running both sides for less money, how can they just pretty much demote you like that

Does anyone know how this will impact nights managers?

Lets be real about this for a moment, its all well and good Tesco telling people there is no redundancy on the table for anyone however the law says otherwise. If they expect you to chage to a job that is significantly different to what you have at the moment or is unsuitable then they have no option if they really want you to change but to offer redundancy.

They could tell you its all changing and your role is changing but leave you as is with the same hours days and pay which would be ok ut to tell you change or leave is unlawful.

Managers the majority will be gone in 12 months
Look at the team support pack basically a managers job

How is this a soft change and no extra money offered for basically becoming a manager! What will the managers be doing?!

Less money if your a driver team support!! It can’t b legal

Managers had no problem toeing the corporate head office
line and telling counter staff and bakers over last few years that its the way the retail business has changed when they were getting rid of them so no pity from me.

Quote from: Biscuit tin on 03-03-21, 11:24AM
Managers had no problem toeing the corporate head office
line and telling counter staff and bakers over last few years that its the way the retail business has changed when they were getting rid of them so no pity from me.

Not without redundancy they won't.

Can anyone give any clear info regarding what’s going to happen with managers? Plenty of people out there and on this site who are clearly worried for their job, bills, mortgage etc

Quote from: Biscuit tin on 03-03-21, 11:24AM
Managers had no problem toeing the corporate head office
line and telling counter staff and bakers over last few years that its the way the retail business has changed when they were getting rid of them so no pity from me.

And stock control,merchandising security and night's.

It was all from a brief, managers wether they agreed or not have no choice but to follow the brief given, same as this change. If you get emotional while doing this work unfortunately how is that fair on the colleagues involved.

Not to mention managers were also part of those cuts, as in they lost their jobs, or forced into another job.

Nothing new, people always make these threads into Us vs Them, whereas we're both getting f***ed.

I love how General Assistants think us Team Managers are the deciding factor as to whether the company keep a counters department, continue with in store security, change the operating model of stock control and merchandising, I could go on. If we make these decisions then f*** me I am on the wrong salary.

No emna070706 , it's not that you make the decisions  . I'm not anti-management but I have seen the nicest of managers turn into Tesco robots with no compassion whatsoever when it comes to these situations.  They just repeat the company line and very obviously their self preservation mode kicks in .  I wouldn't take any joy in managers being screwed over but I can understand why some people do .

Quote from: Biscuit tin on 03-03-21, 11:24AM
Managers had no problem toeing the corporate head office
line and telling counter staff and bakers over last few years that its the way the retail business has changed when they were getting rid of them so no pity from me.

Managers at store level have no say or choice on such changes, it’s all decided way above them and they simply have to carry out orders from upon high.

Quote from: emma070706 on 03-03-21, 01:01PM
I love how General Assistants think us Team Managers are the deciding factor as to whether the company keep a counters department, continue with in store security, change the operating model of stock control and merchandising, I could go on. If we make these decisions then f*** me I am on the wrong salary.

Nobody is blaming team managers,but like Welshie says the way it's all been handled just shows the company is at major fault how it's implemented.I've been on the receiving end of it and supported others going through it.The end result is bitterness in store and a very toxic envoirnment to work in.Models that actually work instead of lies.Stores have lost their caring side......and from what I see team managers aren't up to that side of things.

Quote from: Gooner83 on 02-03-21, 08:55PM
On a slightly different note, I'm a said driver team support who's been off for a week, had a phone call from the store manager yesterday to explain the changes (vaguely!), anyway my question is how does the lump sum payment work? I'm seriously considering dropping back to a driver as the role looks to be significantly changing for the worse and in my opinion it will be a more hands off role which I won't enjoy in the slightest. As the rate of pay difference between myself and a driver is some £2.14 an hour anybody have an idea how the figure would be calculated?

It’s £2773 before tax

Quote from: DotcomLad on 02-03-21, 10:29PM

Quote from: Tosco91 on 02-03-21, 05:17PM

Quote from: emma070706 on 02-03-21, 03:24PM

Quote from: Tosco91 on 02-03-21, 02:51PM
Yes there is a threshold for second manager, SM’s will be told that today and what bracket they fit into. Managers will stay in current structure as example below

Store currently has 12 team managers

Under new bracket / structure they are allowed 6 team managers and 4 shift leaders

There will be no shift leader roles until the number of team managers naturally decreases

How would that work with a GM manager with 8 staff and a Stock and Admin with 27? With them both being "Team Managers" no department....who do they then manage? All a bit confusing.

Our team managers have been told they won’t have departments to manage (same as eventually colleagues won’t have departments either) - the managers are all being given an equal share of the head count (dot com is excluded from this and is separate)

Hi Tosco91,

I’m currently in a picker manager role with 2 other managers in Dotcom, when you say Dotcom is excluded from this, do you mean it’s excluded from the structure change or excluded from the equal headcount?

Thanks

Dot com is excluded from the equal head count - you’ll have your share of dot com colleagues (eg 100 colleagues and 2 dot com managers - 50 colleagues each)

Reading the role pack today the dot com fulfilment shift leaders are taking on a lot more (RTW meetings, note taking, duty cover, etc etc,) and it leaves less for the managers to do so they can concentrate fully on reviews and people management

Quote from: Decco1 on 03-03-21, 11:57AM
Can anyone give any clear info regarding what’s going to happen with managers? Plenty of people out there and on this site who are clearly worried for their job, bills, mortgage etc

Yes, there is NO impact to managers pay or jobs except the following

- each shop floor manager will have an equal share of the store headcount (excluding dot com)

- managers will not be replaced when they leave due to retirement or moving on, they will be replaced with either no one or shift leaders depending on structure.

An example from one store I know about

Current - 12 managers plus 2 lead and SM

New allowed - 3 managers plus 4 shift leaders and a SM (plus 2 dot com managers and 2 dot com shift leaders) no shift leaders (shop floor) will be recruited until the number of managers NATURALLY drops below 7. Dot com shift leaders (currently team supports) don’t have to re apply for jobs unless the new number of dot com shift leader roles is less than the current number of team supports

What is the colleague headcount in the example store given above? Is there any indication of how many colleagues each manager will be expected to be responsible for or will it vary per store?

Quote from: Ashbeck on 03-03-21, 03:32PM
What is the colleague headcount in the example store given above? Is there any indication of how many colleagues each manager will be expected to be responsible for or will it vary per store?

Roughly 250.

This would vary by store and would very much depend on your current number of managers (if you would hit this new structure now or after managers leave naturally) since shift leaders don’t have any head count - just the managers

Has anyone been told the number of "fulfilment support" jobs your store has been allocated.
If so in regards to picker and driver team support what's the difference in numbers?
My store for instance has 3 picker TL and 2 driver TL currently.
We are thinking we may only have 4 fulfilment positions so one of us will lose out

Yes we were told today. We have 2 TM's and 2 Fulfilment shifts leaders (Superstore)

Quote from: Tosco19 on 03-03-21, 06:31PM
Yes we were told today. We have 2 TM's and 2 Fulfilment shifts leaders (Superstore)

What did you have previous though?

Does anyone have anymore information on the Service Team Support Role

Quote from: Tosco19 on 03-03-21, 03:21PM

Quote from: Decco1 on 03-03-21, 11:57AM
Can anyone give any clear info regarding what’s going to happen with managers? Plenty of people out there and on this site who are clearly worried for their job, bills, mortgage etc

Yes, there is NO impact to managers pay or jobs except the following

- each shop floor manager will have an equal share of the store headcount (excluding dot com)

- managers will not be replaced when they leave due to retirement or moving on, they will be replaced with either no one or shift leaders depending on structure.

An example from one store I know about

Current - 12 managers plus 2 lead and SM

New allowed - 3 managers plus 4 shift leaders and a SM (plus 2 dot com managers and 2 dot com shift leaders) no shift leaders (shop floor) will be recruited until the number of managers NATURALLY drops below 7. Dot com shift leaders (currently team supports) don’t have to re apply for jobs unless the new number of dot com shift leader roles is less than the current number of team supports

Does this mean that lead team are going?

Store specific but yes in most - same principle as TM's though, there is no redundancy etc, they just won't be replaced after natural wastage occurs through leavers. It's a very strange way of doing things in my opinion as many stores won't see the impact of these changes (at least for TM's and LTeam) for many years to come.

Yes very odd way as costs which is generally the reason why these happen won't really be impacted for some time.

And by the time we do start to feel the impacts of these changes there'll either be no one on the shop floor left to manage so no doubt they'll decide to scrap shift leaders etc and bring back managers  :D.

It is a strange one given there is a LM vacancy on TC in Slough...

looks like its a very similar set up to how Express is being run.

The Shift leaders do the donkeys work and run the shopfloor/dept and are first point of contact for colleagues while the managers are essentially business/people managers.

How does this all affect people on placements

These are on Our Tesco

Job Role for Service Team Support

Also on Our Tesco

Service Team Support

They haven't updated Colleague Help yet but suspect the Shift Leader role pack for Metro stores will be Verbatim for Superstores and Extras when they get around to it.

As for anyone who's on a placement? Good question... suspect they'll be told to accept any Shift Leader vacancies that may arise or tough!

So guess they will be told just to return to old job as I can't see them recruiting many shift leaders or service team supports if they are not offering redundancy to the managers.

More than likely, yes.

And given the current climate, and job market, they've got some of them right where they want them because they know full well people have commitments and can't afford to be unemployed right now.

In many stores this will take years to land. Not only will things changes in your own store when someone leaves or retires it will change for the group. When any shift lead or manager jobs come up it will be open to all to apply. Some managers may opt to step down into a shift lead role but I suspect not many.

give it 5 years and the structure will probably all change again when someone else comes up with a brainwave

Quote from: Tosco19 on 03-03-21, 07:15PM
Store specific but yes in most - same principle as TM's though, there is no redundancy etc, they just won't be replaced after natural wastage occurs through leavers. It's a very strange way of doing things in my opinion as many stores won't see the impact of these changes (at least for TM's and LTeam) for many years to come.

Wait until it becomes financially valid then redundancies will happen.

Kaled,

They'll probably say Shift Leaders aren't working and bring back Team Managers instead  :D

Marginally better than a corporate rebranding which changes the company colours from blue and yellow to red and green then a few years later changes them back to blue and yellow with a healthy whack for the consultants used each time.  As happened to the company I used to work for.

Quote from: Tosco19 on 01-03-21, 02:21PM
The difference is between superstores and ‘large’ stores. Superstores are losing the checkout team supports

And too many managers so no shift leader position to apply for either

The packs have a disappeared of line

Asda puts 1200 jobs at risk, as it plans to shut 341 instore bakeries.  A centralised factory, will deliver a range of pre-baked goods each day to the stores.

Asda followed Tesco more like. Same rubbish excuses about wraps and bagels too.