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Jack's

Started by londoner83, 13-09-18, 10:09PM

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Red75

Honestly who cares if it's a success or not! I'll still be over worked and under paid.
Tesco is a byword for corporate greed.
Not a brown noser or anyone's relative so I'll never get anywhere here regardless of how hard I work.
Tesco are a nasty corporation making workers lives increasingly miserable in their cost cutting pursuit of profits. They are amongst the dregs of Britain's employers.

ManyFormats

I'm neither senior management nor board.

I've been at Tesco for 12 years, I've worked in Express, Metro and Extras, I've survived several restructuring periods and I've seen many friends and colleagues leave or be made to leave. I'm not bitter, and I enjoy my job. If I didn't enjoy it, I'd be off working for someone else.

notsofunny

Quote from: Nomad on 17-09-18, 10:43AM
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-6171457/Tesco-braves-legal-minefield-launch-discount-store-Jacks.html

QuoteTesco is poised to launch a string of discount retail stores called Jack's – but it will be operating for a whole month without watertight protection over its trademark.

More than 15 complaints have already been registered in both the UK and the EU against the name and, separately, the brand's red logo.

Will it remain as 'Jack's'  :-\

But I cant find any that are trading as a supermarket , Can we register a Human name on its own ? 

notsofunny

#53
Quote from: Red75 on 19-09-18, 07:50PM
Honestly who cares if it's a success or not! I'll still be over worked and under paid.
Tesco is a byword for corporate greed.
Not a brown noser or anyone's relative so I'll never get anywhere here regardless of how hard I work.
Tesco are a nasty corporation making workers lives increasingly miserable in their cost cutting pursuit of profits. They are amongst the dregs of Britain's employers.
Yes why should you care if it works or not  :( after all it seems you dont worry about anyone losing jobs do you ? or the fact that they could end up making money that the likes of aldi and lidl just bank in what ever country they come from with out any need to pay tax on it ,
Last time I had a look every company  is a byword for corporate greed  8-) they are not being run to look after the workers they are made for the share holders ,  and you dont need to be a brown nose or a relation to someone to get on  , Just the ability to do the job which some just do not have :-X , hence the need to s**g off all those hard workers that have and did get on ,


ManyFormats

Quote from: Red75 on 19-09-18, 07:50PM
Honestly who cares if it's a success or not! I'll still be over worked and under paid.
Tesco is a byword for corporate greed.
Not a brown noser or anyone's relative so I'll never get anywhere here regardless of how hard I work.
Tesco are a nasty corporation making workers lives increasingly miserable in their cost cutting pursuit of profits. They are amongst the dregs of Britain's employers.

I care if it's a success because I have Tesco Shares, a Tesco Pension and a vested interest in seeing Tesco PLC win the battle against the German stores, B&M, Wilko et al.
If you want anything different, maybe you should take your energy, passion and enthusiasm and get a job at Aldi.
Let me know how you get on. 👌

his scots tie

Quote from: Red75 on 19-09-18, 07:50PM
Honestly who cares if it's a success or not! I'll still be over worked and under paid.
Tesco is a byword for corporate greed.
Not a brown noser or anyone's relative so I'll never get anywhere here regardless of how hard I work.
Tesco are a nasty corporation making workers lives increasingly miserable in their cost cutting pursuit of profits. They are amongst the dregs of Britain's employers.
:thumbup:

OvaSees

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡80% of the products are British
Your point being? 100% of ALDI's fresh everyday meat and poultry in the UK is from British, Red Tractor approved farms. Not fake farms. And they're German.

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡We will open 10/15 stores this year
Both Aldi and Lidl have plans for 250 to 300 new stores in the UK in the medium term.

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡5 of these will be from existing Metro stores - the colleagues in these stores are already aware of the changes and have been spoken to/offered options
So we're not opening many more stores, at least a third of them are converting from existing ones, yet there are people dismissing the possibility of sales cannibilisation? Chatteris was a mothballed store, remember? The colleagues being 'spoken to' translates to 'leave or continue on reduced terms and conditions' - and you want us to look forward to that?

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡The remainder of stores will therefore be NEW. This means the company is trading well and is in a strong financial position. This is good for the Share price, Your Pension and your longevity working for a profitable business
Wasn't our decent penion scheme closed and replaced with an inferior one that transferred investment risk from the company and onto us as individuals, thus improving that financial position? The share price closed today at a whopping 0.7p up, less than 0.3%, on the back of this news. Wow.

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡We are taking on the German discounters at their own game, levelling the playing field in terms of operation, but with an added buying power of Tesco, Booker and Carrefour, and the world class distribution networks of Tesco and Booker.
No. We're. Not. How come that incredible buying power isn't delivering prices lower than the discounters? 'Nearly as cheap as' doesn't sound to me like a compelling proposition. That world class distribution network - would that be the same one that let shelves run empty back in March (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5460545/Why-supermarket-shelves-empty.html) something that wasn't seen at Lidl and Aldi?

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡imagine being in Sainsbury's or Asda this morning, limited to big stores, facing the prospect of dozens and dozens of store closures, integration of 2 replenishment systems, distribution networks, working agreements and supplier negotiations, losing Market Share to the discounters and now a new challenge to face from Jack's
Limited to big stores... have you never seen a Sainsbury's Local? I would imagine I'd be quite encouraged by the news today that the enquiry into their proposed meger has progressed to the next stage, looking forward to a potential future where my new company market share would knock Tesco off top spot and what that could mean for my shareholding, whilst laughing at Tesco's attempt to compete on price when ASDA is already cheaper and the merger promises to deliver a 10% price saving for customers.

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
We should be getting behind the business on this, recognising that it benefits everyone for it to be successful and be proud that Tesco is back doing what it is best at - being disruptive in the market and fighting for Market Share.
Our current leadership has only presided over a continual market share decline, it's now more than 10% less than when Drastic took over (https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/en/grocery-market-share/great-britain/snapshot/09.09.18/) - there is no 'fight' in them. You're just latching on to another industry buzzword - Tesco is not disruptive it is disrupted having all but lost any real capacity to innovate - so it attempts to emulate. That's not leading, it's following. Amazon is disruptive.

Give it time, this is bound to earn the moniker 'Jack s**t'.

notsofunny

Quote from: patty1 on 19-09-18, 01:00PM
Doubt tupee will  be involved.  We were offered redundancy, chance to apply to other Tesco stores, or if we applied to the new format we would retain length of service and that's it.  New t and c's and any redundancy would be lost for good.

If you retain length of service then if Jacks does not work out then you would still be able to get it , Thats my understanding , I would think that those that have stayed are the ones that have only been around a few years so will not get a large pay out ?

Did they say if you would be able to move across later if you changed your mind ?  and what about pay rate, night rates if any sunday , and discount cards ?

Sidewinder

Length of service, if protected, guarantees that any later redundancy will be at least based on statutory entitlement for the entire length of service. Statutory or Jack's contractual limits, but not any enhanced limit currently offered by Tesco

ManyFormats

Quote from: OvaSees on 19-09-18, 08:20PM
Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡80% of the products are British
Your point being? 100% of ALDI's fresh everyday meat and poultry in the UK is from British, Red Tractor approved farms. Not fake farms. And they're German.

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡We will open 10/15 stores this year
Both Aldi and Lidl have plans for 250 to 300 new stores in the UK in the medium term.

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡5 of these will be from existing Metro stores - the colleagues in these stores are already aware of the changes and have been spoken to/offered options
So we're not opening many more stores, at least a third of them are converting from existing ones, yet there are people dismissing the possibility of sales cannibilisation? Chatteris was a mothballed store, remember? The colleagues being 'spoken to' translates to 'leave or continue on reduced terms and conditions' - and you want us to look forward to that?

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡The remainder of stores will therefore be NEW. This means the company is trading well and is in a strong financial position. This is good for the Share price, Your Pension and your longevity working for a profitable business
Wasn't our decent penion scheme closed and replaced with an inferior one that transferred investment risk from the company and onto us as individuals, thus improving that financial position? The share price closed today at a whopping 0.7p up, less than 0.3%, on the back of this news. Wow.

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡We are taking on the German discounters at their own game, levelling the playing field in terms of operation, but with an added buying power of Tesco, Booker and Carrefour, and the world class distribution networks of Tesco and Booker.
No. We're. Not. How come that incredible buying power isn't delivering prices lower than the discounters? 'Nearly as cheap as' doesn't sound to me like a compelling proposition. That world class distribution network - would that be the same one that let shelves run empty back in March (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5460545/Why-supermarket-shelves-empty.html) something that wasn't seen at Lidl and Aldi?

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡imagine being in Sainsbury's or Asda this morning, limited to big stores, facing the prospect of dozens and dozens of store closures, integration of 2 replenishment systems, distribution networks, working agreements and supplier negotiations, losing Market Share to the discounters and now a new challenge to face from Jack's
Limited to big stores... have you never seen a Sainsbury's Local? I would imagine I'd be quite encouraged by the news today that the enquiry into their proposed meger has progressed to the next stage, looking forward to a potential future where my new company market share would knock Tesco off top spot and what that could mean for my shareholding, whilst laughing at Tesco's attempt to compete on price when ASDA is already cheaper and the merger promises to deliver a 10% price saving for customers.

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
We should be getting behind the business on this, recognising that it benefits everyone for it to be successful and be proud that Tesco is back doing what it is best at - being disruptive in the market and fighting for Market Share.
Our current leadership has only presided over a continual market share decline, it's now more than 10% less than when Drastic took over (https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/en/grocery-market-share/great-britain/snapshot/09.09.18/) - there is no 'fight' in them. You're just latching on to another industry buzzword - Tesco is not disruptive it is disrupted having all but lost any real capacity to innovate - so it attempts to emulate. That's not leading, it's following. Amazon is disruptive.

Give it time, this is bound to earn the moniker 'Jack s**t'.

You think Amazon should be celebrated?? 😂😂
They operate outside of the parameters that Tesco are tied to, simply by their tax "arrangements".

Yes - Tesco is disrupted, and their response is to be innovative and bite back.
Yes - our Market share has diluted, against the background of a massive space growth from the Germans. Strip out the space increases and Aldi and Lidl are no longer growing sales - they are starting to cannibalise their own base.
Jack's will have the mobile app to scan as you shop and pay as you leave. Cashless, queueless, easy.

Honestly I really don't understand why you cannot be positive about something we're doing.

Sidewinder

Quote from: Red75 on 19-09-18, 07:50PM
Honestly who cares if it's a success or not! I'll still be over worked and under paid.
Tesco is a byword for corporate greed.
Not a brown noser or anyone's relative so I'll never get anywhere here regardless of how hard I work.
Tesco are a nasty corporation making workers lives increasingly miserable in their cost cutting pursuit of profits. They are amongst the dregs of Britain's employers.

Then p*ss or get off the pot! Work outside of retail as very few will ever get rich in this business nowadays

Do you even understand what pressures ALL retailers are up against? 'Companies need to make a profit' shock....that 'corporate greed' and pursuit of profit is the difference between going to the wall or surviving. How much turnover does any retailer need to generate to even earn a profit? To maintain shareholder interest? To be able to maintain equipment? To invest in the future in an increasingly diverse market? The profit is barely enough to cover minimum wage increases so any pressure on the business as a whole will always hit staff hardest as that is the single biggest cost. I am no apologist for some of the company's decisions, nor do I agree with a lot of the way the business is run, but let's not pretend that they are any worse than any other retailer, especially grocers - there are a fair few that are a lot worse   

notsofunny

[admin]Post deleted as you had intermingled your words within the quote and thereby attributed your words to another member. Nomad.[/admin]

Classy Bird

Not all employees at metro's have been informed they are rebranding.

I work in one of the tabloid named stores earmarked to be closed/rebranded, we only know what we've read in the papers.

According to the articles 30 metro's will be closing for good, I've spoken to a couple of people that were affected by closures of stores already. Their options were redundancy, move to another store (on less hours/worse shift patterns etc) or re apply to work at J's

Nomad

It's never good coming to the game late.
Nomad ( Forum Admin )
It's better to be up in arms than down on your knees.

Red75

Working tins and pasta in a superstore.is not easy. Lots of employees are disgruntled. Many  Sunday workers are earning less now than they were in June. I will still be earning less in November than I was in June. My lack of interest in the success of Jack's stems from the fact that I know very little benefit will filter down to shop floor workers should Tesco increase their profits. Senior management bonuses get more generous every year whilst our bonus scheme is the same as last year. I believe if all targets are exceeded Mr Lewis will receive a bonus worth 6x his salary. I am making efforts to get out of Tesco. I'm in the final year of my studies. I do think that management - senior grade and up are overpaid and this is part of the reason why GA's get so little. I have socialist principles and I won't change those. I just don't find Tesco a good company. Even as a customer I've experienced some pretty awful customer service from them. Just don't feel invested in the success of this company. I am good at my job though and with the kind of staff turnover we have these days - mainly as a result of poor pay and short hour contracts I think people in my store are happy to have me around. I'm not a doormat or a sheep though and if I think something isn't right I will say something.

notsofunny

#65
Quote from: notsofunny on 19-09-18, 08:57PM
Post deleted as you had intermingled your words within the quote and thereby attributed your words to another member.  Nomad.

another post deleted  8-)

can i have a copy so i dont need to do it again and can just edit it myself , would be easy just to add my tag name to the area if thats what is needed





patty1

Quote from: notsofunny on 19-09-18, 08:21PM
Quote from: patty1 on 19-09-18, 01:00PM
Doubt tupee will  be involved.  We were offered redundancy, chance to apply to other Tesco stores, or if we applied to the new format we would retain length of service and that's it.  New t and c's and any redundancy would be lost for good.

If you retain length of service then if Jacks does not work out then you would still be able to get it , Thats my understanding , I would think that those that have stayed are the ones that have only been around a few years so will not get a large pay out ?

Did they say if you would be able to move across later if you changed your mind ?  and what about pay rate, night rates if any sunday , and discount cards ?

All we were told was what I said previously.  Length of service would remain but redundancy would go.  To all of us it meant we had one chance of that money.  Hence so many taking it.  Most were tupeed over from somerfield so if it had been put like that we might of thought again but it was put to us as a last chance deal.  Which is probably what they wanted

notsofunny

I don't blame any of you that decided to take the money if it worked out well for you,

Seems they have once again failed to give Everyone effected information they should have

Hope all works out for you ,

Red75

Of course I understand that Tesco's profit margins are tight and that margins in retail in general are tight. I believe Tesco's operating profit margin was 2.2% year ending April 2018. I know that the aim is to get operating profit margin up to 3.5 to 4%. Isn't this alarming to anyone? Many of us are already having to work harder for pretty poor pay. Staffing levels are significantly lower on the department in which I work than they were a couple of years ago. Of course I worry that people may lose their jobs but I would question 'how many of these jobs are good jobs that pay a wage that is sufficient to live on and guarantees people enough hours to meet their obligations and have some standard of living. I resent the implication that I am not 'good enough' to get on. I have has multiple blue reviews. I just have never pressed hard enough to get on. I do have some pride. Genuinely their is a lot of nepotism at the store in which I work. There are also busybody senior managers who are suckers for a personal interest story. Too much money goes to the top of the pyramid and not enough goes to the many. I'm aware of my insignificance, nothing that I do influences whether Tesco is successful or not - honestly don't care if Tesco is successful because it's pretty clear that what they give their shopfloor workers wil be pretty near as little as they can legally and ethically get away with. Honestly I can't get by on what they are paying me. I don't live an extravagant lifestyle, but prices of a lot of things are really going up - especially fuel. I do intend to leave, I'm in the final year of my studies.

Red75

One thing I would point out is that I have never said that anyone should get out if they are not happy. People do not always have great choice in where they work. They don't have to agree with the actions of their employer. I think telling someone to get out is pretty much 'bullying' and pretty nasty. Shouldn't we be able to agree to disagree because you may not like me but I may very well not like you. Despite what you may think I am not an unpopular staff member. I have bigger fish to fry. I should be concentrating on my studies not this nonsense. I wish every budding capitalist on this website the best of luck because life is too short.

notsofunny

#70
Quote from: OvaSees on 19-09-18, 08:20PM
Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡80% of the products are British
Your point being? 100% of ALDI's fresh everyday meat and poultry in the UK is from British, Red Tractor approved farms. Not fake farms. And they're German.

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡We will open 10/15 stores this year
Both Aldi and Lidl have plans for 250 to 300 new stores in the UK in the medium term.

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡5 of these will be from existing Metro stores - the colleagues in these stores are already aware of the changes and have been spoken to/offered options
So we're not opening many more stores, at least a third of them are converting from existing ones, yet there are people dismissing the possibility of sales cannibilisation? Chatteris was a mothballed store, remember? The colleagues being 'spoken to' translates to 'leave or continue on reduced terms and conditions' - and you want us to look forward to that?

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡The remainder of stores will therefore be NEW. This means the company is trading well and is in a strong financial position. This is good for the Share price, Your Pension and your longevity working for a profitable business
Wasn't our decent penion scheme closed and replaced with an inferior one that transferred investment risk from the company and onto us as individuals, thus improving that financial position? The share price closed today at a whopping 0.7p up, less than 0.3%, on the back of this news. Wow.

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡We are taking on the German discounters at their own game, levelling the playing field in terms of operation, but with an added buying power of Tesco, Booker and Carrefour, and the world class distribution networks of Tesco and Booker.
No. We're. Not. How come that incredible buying power isn't delivering prices lower than the discounters? 'Nearly as cheap as' doesn't sound to me like a compelling proposition. That world class distribution network - would that be the same one that let shelves run empty back in March (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5460545/Why-supermarket-shelves-empty.html) something that wasn't seen at Lidl and Aldi?

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
💡imagine being in Sainsbury's or Asda this morning, limited to big stores, facing the prospect of dozens and dozens of store closures, integration of 2 replenishment systems, distribution networks, working agreements and supplier negotiations, losing Market Share to the discounters and now a new challenge to face from Jack's
Limited to big stores... have you never seen a Sainsbury's Local? I would imagine I'd be quite encouraged by the news today that the enquiry into their proposed meger has progressed to the next stage, looking forward to a potential future where my new company market share would knock Tesco off top spot and what that could mean for my shareholding, whilst laughing at Tesco's attempt to compete on price when ASDA is already cheaper and the merger promises to deliver a 10% price saving for customers.

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
We should be getting behind the business on this, recognising that it benefits everyone for it to be successful and be proud that Tesco is back doing what it is best at - being disruptive in the market and fighting for Market Share.
Our current leadership has only presided over a continual market share decline, it's now more than 10% less than when Drastic took over (https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/en/grocery-market-share/great-britain/snapshot/09.09.18/) - there is no 'fight' in them. You're just latching on to another industry buzzword - Tesco is not disruptive it is disrupted having all but lost any real capacity to innovate - so it attempts to emulate. That's not leading, it's following. Amazon is disruptive.

Give it time, this is bound to earn the moniker 'Jack s**t'.

They( aldi) say that only the red meat and chicken is British all the other meat is not , and the Red trackter farm is not a farm is it?,,,,,,,,,,,,, and can you explain what it is ? Can you tell me if Tesco asda and so on are not part of the same trace it back to the farm system ? Also correct me , but Did they Jacks not say that 8 out of 10 items sold will be Made or produced in the UK ? how much does Aldi/lid produce in the uk ?

Aldi and lidl plan to open 250 new stores , well it means that they will think a bit more about it and Jacks will have opend 10 that will mean that more money stays in the UK rather than being sent back to Germany or does it not bother you that Untold Profits are going un taxed ?

By the way Did you have a look at the Sains.....share price drop today once the Merger talk was sent to the First stage of the inqury ? as to inovation Sains,is following what Tesco express did years ago in local stores and  they Sains are not doing a very good job at that, Then you will see that aldi/lid are doing what Tesco did 60 years ago and in the mean time Tesco moved on and grew larger than the mighty sains/Walmart..and o yes Marks , and since times have changed its Back to jacks ,


and again back to your share holding sorry  ,your new company do you truly think that they will pass on 10% to shoppers ?

I just wonder if Tesco will be Taking any of the stores that Asda/sains are forced to sell on ? or will they just close them and make redundancys ?

notsofunny

Quote from: patty1 on 19-09-18, 11:55PM
Quote from: notsofunny on 19-09-18, 08:21PM
Quote from: patty1 on 19-09-18, 01:00PM
Doubt tupee will  be involved.  We were offered redundancy, chance to apply to other Tesco stores, or if we applied to the new format we would retain length of service and that's it.  New t and c's and any redundancy would be lost for good.

If you retain length of service then if Jacks does not work out then you would still be able to get it , Thats my understanding , I would think that those that have stayed are the ones that have only been around a few years so will not get a large pay out ?

Did they say if you would be able to move across later if you changed your mind ?  and what about pay rate, night rates if any sunday , and discount cards ?

All we were told was what I said previously.  Length of service would remain but redundancy would go.  To all of us it meant we had one chance of that money.  Hence so many taking it.  Most were tupeed over from somerfield so if it had been put like that we might of thought again but it was put to us as a last chance deal.  Which is probably what they wanted

Is it true that you dont get a discount card and any bonus ,?

OvaSees

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 08:47PM
Honestly I really don't understand why you cannot be positive about something we're doing.
Because America? Because Japan? Because France? Because Vin Plus? Because Homeplus? Because Turkey? Because South Korea? Because Euphorium? Because Giraffe? Because Harris & Hoole? People all over the company stood up and applauded those things too when they were launched.

Quote from: Nomad on 19-09-18, 09:43PM
It's never good coming to the game late.
Because this. Because our leadership is following not leading by emulating not innovating. They even had to poach an Aldi executive to do this for them.

Nowanexmgr

Quote from: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
Reading the comments on this thread had been hilarious, frustrating and downright embarrassing.

It is clear from the majority of the comments that most of you have no idea how the. New format will work, what the rollout plan is, why it is needed rather than being done in a Tesco store, and why we're doing it.

How about, for once *just for once* you look at the project with an open mind and optimism?

The facts are:
💡80% of the products are British
💡We will open 10/15 stores this year
💡5 of these will be from existing Metro stores - the colleagues in these stores are already aware of the changes and have been spoken to/offered options
💡The remainder of stores will therefore be NEW. This means the company is trading well and is in a strong financial position. This is good for the Share price, Your Pension and your longevity working for a profitable business
💡We are taking on the German discounters at their own game, levelling the playing field in terms of operation, but with an added buying power of Tesco, Booker and Carrefour, and the world class distribution networks of Tesco and Booker.
💡imagine being in Sainsbury's or Asda this morning, limited to big stores, facing the prospect of dozens and dozens of store closures, integration of 2 replenishment systems, distribution networks, working agreements and supplier negotiations, losing Market Share to the discounters and now a new challenge to face from Jack's

We should be getting behind the business on this, recognising that it benefits everyone for it to be successful and be proud that Tesco is back doing what it is best at - being disruptive in the market and fighting for Market Share.

Spot on. Absolutely spot on.

You'll get hammered though mate. The malcontents wont stand for any positivity.

Teaco are well on the way back. That should be good for everybody.

tescopleb

Is this before or after you saw the layout, seriously makes aldi and lidl look like waitrose. Seriously, going downmarket is not competing just looks desperate.
 

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