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Very Little Helps => Other Retailers => Topic started by: silverbackache on 18-09-15, 06:18PM

Title: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: silverbackache on 18-09-15, 06:18PM
Just announced on the news that Lidl are going to pay THIS year £8-20 per hour.  Showing up the big four for what they are, money grabbing, dole supplemented hypocrites.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: dogslave on 18-09-15, 06:30PM
If they can pay so can tosco, will they? Like f++k.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Blondie1981 on 18-09-15, 06:40PM
But you forget...Lidl is a business on the way up, The big T is heading in the opposite direction.

by the way I was in a Lidl store yesterday...I didn't notice groups of managers hanging about chatting rumbling ...perhaps that is another difference between the two companies....... :-\
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Equalizer87 on 18-09-15, 07:09PM
Lets not kid ourselves, we have no chance of being paid  £8.20 per hour.. Not with the way this company runs.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Hammer10 on 18-09-15, 07:55PM
Not big T anymore more like little t that pay rise is 14% no chance in 100 years of us getting that ,more chance of following woolworths
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: picktocube on 18-09-15, 08:32PM
Remember that the hourly rate is all that they get paid,they do not pay premiums for sundays,bank holidays or nightshifts, although not many of the stores work through the night.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: silverbackache on 18-09-15, 08:40PM
But didn't Tosco think it was a great idea when the Chancelor announced it in the budget?
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: lucgeo on 18-09-15, 08:41PM
Do Lidl workers pay their own stamp, like Aldi staff used to when they first opened in the UK?
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Digimon on 18-09-15, 10:43PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but post restructure, a skilled and established t/l is on £8.24 an hour? You could walk through a LIDL door and get paid £8.20 as a bog-standard assist and probably raising to whatever next.

Where would you prefer to start as a new recruit, with LIDL on £8.20, or this shower of shizzle on £7.20 odd an hour. One company is on their uppers while the other is in retreat?

As far as the comment 'remember they don't get premiums' well watch this space because the next generation of Tesco employees will be lucky if they get anypremiums either. Tesco will cull night shift premiums, bank holiday and Sunday premiums in one large money-saving exercise.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: picktocube on 18-09-15, 10:55PM
That may be ,but ,my local Lidl always have vacancies,so,yes you could walk in the door and get a job straight away,but talk to their staff,and the promise of a hefty payrise won't keep them there.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: tumshie on 18-09-15, 11:01PM
Lidl workers are not self-employed. They are employees just as we are.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Digimon on 18-09-15, 11:05PM
Quote from: picktocube on 18-09-15, 10:55PM
the promise of a hefty payrise won't keep them there.

Yet the lure of earning £8.04 as an experienced, skilled, jumped through hoops, grovel demeaning months at Tesco is enough for you to start on £7 odd an hour. Please don't give me the spiel about pensions and premiums. It will become an 'ordinary' working day if you work weekends in Dave's Brave New World.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Redshoes on 19-09-15, 06:55AM
I had always thought they were on more money than this anyway but as said above they don't seem to be able to keep their staff. I have known of several people who have left us and gone to them but have come back. Same with other retailers.
I gather you have to do what you are told, ordered, and you have to do all jobs. The pace is very high.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: artimis on 19-09-15, 10:55AM
Better busy than bored, day goes so much quicker.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: burns2015 on 19-09-15, 11:47AM
Quote from: lucgeo on 18-09-15, 08:41PM
Do Lidl workers pay their own stamp, like Aldi staff used to when they first opened in the UK?

No and neither do Aldi
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: terrybigballs on 19-09-15, 03:22PM
Lidl turning the screw on Tesco again, the only way Tesco will be able to compete on wages going forward is by getting rid of full time employees ,sad as that statement maybe(in my opinion).
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: DairyMaid on 19-09-15, 04:54PM
Been doing that for a long time Terry the Gonads , try getting a job at Tosco with a contract of more than 7 hours nowadays oh testicular one.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Digimon on 19-09-15, 07:40PM
I don't just think it's as clear cut as saying that 'full time' employees will be the targets, in my opinion it will those on pensions, sickness benefits and all the other things that go with an 'old contract', meaning those colleagues will be viewed as pariahs. It will be an insidious conversion with the heirarchy thanking colleagues for their dedication as the last one walks through the door.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: lucgeo on 19-09-15, 07:58PM
To get rid of full time GA positions would mean them buying their hours. They will go with natural wastage as the full timers leave/retire they will be replaced with short hour flexi contracts. Only managers will be full time (for now) though I can visualise the PM being the next target?? Put on part time hours or condensed to a local office. God knows all our PM ever seems to do is draw stupid feel good posters!!!
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Digimon on 19-09-15, 10:02PM
Asda

A spokesperson said: "Our hourly rate of pay is currently £6.89 (outside of London), increasing to £7.00 on October 1 as part of our annual pay review. In addition to this our benefits package includes: colleague discount, annual bonus scheme, pension contributions, a sharesave scheme that allows colleagues to save and plan for the future, a bank holiday premium, paid breaks and a variety of other optional benefits."

Aldi

An Aldi spokesperson said: "We offer competitive rates of pay for store staff that are above the proposed National Living Wage. Depending on their level of experience our store assistants can earn up to £9.50 per hour, and these rates are regularly reviewed to help us attract and retain the best talent.

"We have a clearly defined career path for store staff and many have progressed from store assistant through to store manager. We are investing significantly in recruiting and training new employees as we aim to create 35,000 new jobs by 2020."

Morrisons

"Our standard hourly rate of pay for store colleagues varies from a minimum of £6.83 to a minimum of £7.79 depending on location around the country," said a Morrisons spokesman. "However, we haven't as yet concluded this year's annual pay negotiations so these will change."

Tesco

A spokesperson for Tesco, which pays £7.39 an hour to its shop workers, said: "At Tesco we know it is important to reward colleagues well, and that's why we pay one of the highest hourly rates in retail. We firmly believe in offering colleagues a total reward package and our benefits include a 10% colleague discount, shares scheme and pension, which we know they really value."

Previous statements by the supermarket say it is "supportive" of Osborne's new National Living Wage, which will reach £9 an hour by 2020.

Sainsbury's

A Sainsbury's spokesperson said: "We recently announced a record 4% pay increase for 137,000 colleagues working in our stores across the country, bringing their current basic pay to £7.36 per hour, including those aged under 25. This is well ahead of the government's national living wage of £7.20 for the over 25s to be implemented by next April. In addition, our overall reward package goes beyond just paying an hourly rate and our benefits contribute significantly to a colleague's overall income. For example, unlike Lidl, we pay for breaks and give an annual bonus to colleagues (this year 133,000 colleagues shared £50m)."

Do the 'big' Four look that tempting?
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 05:01AM
Also when you factor in the one and half hour each shift that we Don't get paid for then our hourly rate isn't 'one of the best in retail' at all!!!...nearer to 'one of the worst' I'd say?!!!!.....Dave???!
             :thumbdown: 
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Loki on 20-09-15, 07:44AM
A break entitlement of an hour and a half that you do not work.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: lordadmiral on 20-09-15, 08:13AM
That is why wot is the point having break at all if its unpaid:D ...
I would prefer to have no more than 30 min break and life would be more easier !!!!! I worked for about 4 months with 30 min break and it was wonderful  .....
If someone is a f****ng retarded p***y and need ridiculously long breaks then they can have it but why every one must suffer??????!!!!!!!!!!!! i remember that years back in my old store my night senior mgr wanted to cut breaks by half to 45 minutes and he was collecting signatures from staff but at the end most of idiots didn't agree for cutting break  time so we stuck with 1,5h unpaid breaks
Even 30 min paid break can give us over 800 pounds more a year. Plus do not forget that all the time you spend in the store/depo etc it is the time you are giving to the company so why should we waist that time to be there for nothing???!!!
You girl/guys might do not know but for example in Poland you are "at work from" the moment you leave your home on your way to work  to the moment you come back from work. Yes company isn't paying you for time you need to get from place to place but if you will have an accident you can claim money from employer as the accident happen during the time you "give" to the company. This is what you call unions fighting for employees benefits not like USDAW pussys.

Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 08:39AM
Quote from: Loki on 20-09-15, 07:44AM
A break entitlement of an hour and a half that you do not work.
An hour and a half that  I'd rather spend 'at home' 'sleeping' or whatever other way takes ' my fancy' NOT being stuck in Tesco's...thankyou very much!
And as I'm sure you're aware, Saintsbury's, Asda & Morrisons staff DO get paid for some ( if not all?) of their breaks! - so take this into account and as I said, Tesco's don't pay the best hourly rate of the 'big four' supermarkets.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: londoner83 on 20-09-15, 08:47AM
Unless Tesco raises it's pay it will find it increasingly harder to attract the best to its stores and will also see loads more people leave ( unless this is part of a bigger plan to get more of those on old contracts to quit).
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Loki on 20-09-15, 09:15AM
Quote from: lordadmiral on 20-09-15, 08:13AM
i remember that years back in my old store my night senior mgr wanted to cut breaks by half to 45 minutes and he was collecting signatures from staff but at the end most of idiots didn't agree for cutting break  time so we stuck with 1,5h unpaid breaks

So you didn't get what you wanted as a result of the majority being happy with a 90 minute break entitlement, spat out your dummy and refer to all your colleagues as being "idiots",  the majority of whom voted against a decrease in break entitlement.

Nice.

Quote from: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 08:39AM
An hour and a half that  I'd rather spend 'at home' 'sleeping' or whatever other way takes ' my fancy' NOT being stuck in Tesco's...thankyou very much!

Then spend your break entitlement away from Company premises.

No one can prevent you from taking a leisurely stroll or purchase a meal from your nearest fast food restaurant.



The fuss some people make regarding having a break entitlement that exceeds the statutory minimum is pathetic.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 09:32AM


Quote from: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 08:39AM
An hour and a half that  I'd rather spend 'at home' 'sleeping' or whatever other way takes ' my fancy' NOT being stuck in Tesco's...thankyou very much!

Then spend your break entitlement away from Company premises.

No one can prevent you from taking a leisurely stroll or purchase a meal from your nearest fast food restaurant.



The fuss some people make regarding having a break entitlement that exceeds the statutory minimum is pathetic.
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Firstly I work nights and were I work, taking a ''Leisurely stroll'  between the hours of 10pm to 7am would be downright stupid not to mention dangerous!
And secondly don't call me 'pathetic' just because my views and/or opinions differ from yours!
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Loki on 20-09-15, 09:40AM
Your break entitlement exceeds the statutory minimum.
You do not have to spend that time on work premises, let alone spend that time actually working.

Furthermore, I didn't "call you" pathetic. I suggest you read my post again as you have obviously missed a very simple point.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 09:56AM
I do not, never have or never will spend ANY of my  time working for Tesco
UNPAID!
I think if anybody is missing 'a simple point' it's you...MY point being, that I would prefer not to have more (unpaid) breaks than is statutory required.
30 minutes (either paid or unpaid by Tesco) would be adequate enough for me. My view, my opinion, but alas NOT my option! I have the union & Tesco to (not) thank for that.



Then spend your break entitlement away from Company premises.t want more than the statutory break entitlement
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Loki on 20-09-15, 10:28AM
I can't help but chuckle along to all of this. Rest assured I understood your "complaint" to begin with albeit rather tiresome, pointless and trivial.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 01:06PM
Well I'm glad I made you 'chuckle' ;DD
In my opinion you're a bore and a self-opiniated  numpty, who always thinks 'he-knows-best' & the phrase "my way or no way" comes to mind when I see many of you're posts & replies on this 'forum'...
I'll just add( before I leave this topic and let you get on with whatever or whomever you wish to chastise next, just because their opinion differs from yours!)...you're a union rep I believe?? well I'm just thankful that you don't 'represent me' with you're egotistical & one sided perspective on things
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Loki on 20-09-15, 01:16PM
Ok.  8-)
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: oliver on 20-09-15, 01:59PM
Donut-  loki has helped many people on here grow up.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 04:01PM
Loki no worries and each to their own & free speech blahdy blah and all that :-*
Thanks for your contibution, oliver & sadly if I was any more 'grown-up' I'd probably be dead (-*-)
forgive me if I have an opinion and takes issue with anyone on here who considers
£2882 pa  of unpaid hours of my life that 'I have to' be at Tesco's  to be " tiresome, pointless & trivial" oh and pathetic.
That kinda sounds like something I'd expect to hear from a Tesco manager?
"I don't like it, but I lump it", as lots & lots & lots... Of tesco workers do in one(million) ways or another, it doesn't mean that I'm wrong & shouldn't be allowed to express my (our) views on here: Amen!
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: jojaca on 20-09-15, 04:24PM
Hour and half break for me personally is a chore, half hour is quite adequate. I would rather spend that extra hour in the house with my wife and children than making small talk to strangers about subjects I have no interest in, plus you get tempted eating an extra meal which i don't need or the cost. Maybe we can suggest a change of break rules to USDAW, so we at least get our monies worth out of our useless union.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: mexicopete on 20-09-15, 04:32PM
Quote from: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 04:01PM
Loki no worries and each to their own & free speech blahdy blah and all that :-*
Thanks for your contibution, oliver & sadly if I was any more 'grown-up' I'd probably be dead (-*-)
forgive me if I have an opinion and takes issue with anyone on here who considers
£2882 pa  of unpaid hours of my life that 'I have to' be at Tesco's  to be " tiresome, pointless & trivial" oh and pathetic.
That kinda sounds like something I'd expect to hear from a Tesco manager?
"I don't like it, but I lump it", as lots & lots & lots... Of tesco workers do in one(million) ways or another, it doesn't mean that I'm wrong & shouldn't be allowed to express my (our) views on here: Amen!

It's the union to blame for the break situation, in fact they are to blame for most of the sh*t we have to put up with. USDAW need to grow a pair and do something for their paying membership instead of being so far up Tescos a*se they need crow barring down. by the way Loki never said you were pathetic, read his post again. :o :o :o
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: lucgeo on 20-09-15, 04:56PM
So if you don't like the 90 minute break why don't you drop your hours?? Ask for 8hours which means only a 45 min break. If your on full time hours then you will only lose 15mins per shift?? You get to spend time at home etc! Winner winner chicken dinner!! That's only if you want that extra meal of course?  ;)
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Denzil on 20-09-15, 05:51PM
Why not speak to your pm.
In our store they are practically begging us to reduce our breaks.
I now do a full day with 2 x 30 min breaks and leave 30 min earlier.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: chris9997 on 20-09-15, 05:57PM
surely the tesco wage is actually more than the £7.39 in london as there is location pay also?
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 06:07PM
Quote from: Denzil on 20-09-15, 05:51PM
Why not speak to your pm.
In our store they are practically begging us to reduce our breaks.
I now do a full day with 2 x 30 min breaks and leave 30 min earlier.

I will ask again in the light of what you say, thanks for the 'constructive' suggestion and advice, it is appreciated
When I requested a drop in breaktime or hours worked laat time it was a non starter: apparently they want me 'captive' for the 9 hours!  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: picktocube on 20-09-15, 06:43PM
Quote from: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 08:39AM
Quote from: Loki on 20-09-15, 07:44AM
A break entitlement of an hour and a half that you do not work.
An hour and a half that  I'd rather spend 'at home' 'sleeping' or whatever other way takes ' my fancy' NOT being stuck in Tesco's...thankyou very much!
And as I'm sure you're aware, Saintsbury's, Asda & Morrisons staff DO get paid for some ( if not all?) of their breaks! - so take this into account and as I said, Tesco's don't pay the best hourly rate of the 'big four' supermarkets.

When Sainsbury and the other retailers say that they pay breaks,I am sure that it is only for the 2x 15 minute breaks that they have and not for their lunch hour.
Tesco used to pay the breaks years ago ,but changed it from a 39 hour week with 2.5 hours paid breaks,to a 36.5 hour week with unpaid breaks.At the time,most staff were all for the change as it was beneficial for them.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 07:00PM
That's interesting and I hadnt heard that before
Two x 15 minute paid breaks or one 30 minute paid break would suit me just fine! Perfect . The fact that it's paid is/would be a bonus, I'd be happy  with just 30 minutes, even unpaid if need be.
 
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: lucgeo on 20-09-15, 07:49PM
Actually having given it second thoughts, if you are full time and get a short day/night of an hour andthen gave that up and just did 8hour shifts you would only be 15mins pay worse off a week??
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 08:00PM
Well that does sound good to us employees who would prefer only a 30 minute break! Don't think it suits Stresco tho, as I'm pretty certain that if it did, we'd have been doing them hours already?
But I'm certainly going to put in another request for 8 hour shifts  ;) 
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: notsofunny on 20-09-15, 10:07PM
 Wow what can one say :-X

In fact a lot  :( all this fuss for what amounts to 20 to 40 pence a hour more than what the minimum pay rate is >:(


The Living Wage Foundation's current recommended minimal hourly rate is £7.85, and £9.15 inside London,

Just another head line grabing stunt from a company that will not allow someone to get of the till to have a p**s :o

Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: the-vortex on 21-09-15, 11:52PM
Quote from: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 09:56AM
30 minutes (either paid or unpaid by Tesco) would be adequate enough for me.

Well bully for you DD. Some people relish the opportunity to enjoy a leisurely drink and/or meal, catch up on the papers and chill with colleagues. But if you're not someone who enjoys mixing away from the shopfloor with the people you work with then back to work for you then miseryguts.

Quote from: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 09:56AMI do not, never have or never will spend ANY of my  time working for Tesco  UNPAID!

and no-one's asking you to.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Loki on 22-09-15, 07:49AM
Quote from: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 08:00PM
But I'm certainly going to put in another request for 8 hour shifts

So you will request to work 8 hour shifts instead of your contractual 7.5 hour shifts.

That's extremely accommodating of you and in my opinion certainly warrants some kind of recognition.

Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: gomezz on 22-09-15, 10:00AM
Could I put in to work a single 27 hour shift Monday evening into Tuesday evening then have the rest of the week off?  ;)
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: lordadmiral on 22-09-15, 12:03PM
Quote from: delightful-donuts on 20-09-15, 08:00PM
Well that does sound good to us employees who would prefer only a 30 minute break! Don't think it suits Stresco tho, as I'm pretty certain that if it did, we'd have been doing them hours already?
But I'm certainly going to put in another request for 8 hour shifts  ;)

I have a guy at my store who is working 8h shift plus 1h break.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Loki on 22-09-15, 02:14PM
Quote from: gomezz on 22-09-15, 10:00AM
Could I put in to work a single 27 hour shift Monday evening into Tuesday evening then have the rest of the week off?  ;)

Great. That's all we need -  encouraging a handful of narrow minded numbskulls who already lack understanding regarding the difference between paid hours and unpaid hours.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: gomezz on 22-09-15, 02:45PM
Sometimes you have to extrapolate to the absurd to get the point across.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Loki on 22-09-15, 02:55PM
Something tells me...
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: the-vortex on 23-09-15, 12:55PM
Quote from: lordadmiral on 22-09-15, 12:03PM
I have a guy at my store who is working 8h shift plus 1h break.

Dot Comedy drivers work 9am to 7pm or 8am to 6pm (10 hours) with a 1 hour lunch.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: best on 23-09-15, 05:01PM
One hour for lunch if your lucky!!
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: the-vortex on 23-09-15, 05:21PM
I insist on the full 60 minutes and if that makes my pm trip late then so be it. If you work some of your lunch break then you're screwing yourself (and potentially breaking the law).

Luck has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: gomezz on 23-09-15, 05:52PM
The law says 20 minutes minimum break.  to be honest I often prefer to get the hell out of the madhouse and park up somewhere for the other 40 minutes in peace and quiet.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: the-vortex on 23-09-15, 11:28PM
We had a driver given a disciplinary for leaving that early.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: part of the problem on 23-09-15, 11:55PM
Has anyone had experience of working for Lidl? I'm assuming that pay could well be tempting for a lot of unhappy Tesco employees. I hear the structure is still a little management heavy having store manager, assistant manager and deputy managers but not sure if true.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: OpShunned on 11-02-18, 06:46PM
Germany 1 - Tesco 0

Looks as if Tesco are trying to replicate the Blitzcrieg boys' model  :D

Is this a pre-cursor to a Franchised Metro/Express format in the near future?



Tesco 'planning' discount chain to take on Aldi and Lidl
Retailer has reportedly hired advisers to develop separate brand as threat from discounters grows


Britain's biggest supermarket group is understood to be working on a secret plan to develop a new discount grocery chain to take on cut-price chains Aldi and Lidl.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/feb/11/tesco-planning-discount-chain-to-take-on-aldi-and-lidl (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/feb/11/tesco-planning-discount-chain-to-take-on-aldi-and-lidl)
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Equalizer87 on 11-02-18, 06:49PM
If you ever wanted a bigger sign of how much Aldi/Lidl scare the hell out of Tesco, now you have one.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: OpShunned on 11-02-18, 06:58PM
..and when they advertise jobs they post between £8,49 and £9.69 per hour so that makes it more attractive to anyone starting out in retail?

Imitation is often a form of flattery they say although this smacks of desperation. One of the top 4 may go under soon so looks like Tesco are positioning themselves to survive the chop. Is this a gamble that could go wrong?
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Redshoes on 11-02-18, 07:17PM
I was once told that Aldi and Lidl together only take same money as our PFS side of the business but this is still an interesting idea.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: OpShunned on 11-02-18, 07:49PM
Tesco UK turnover 2017--- 37 Billion

Aldi - 10 Billion for the first time 6.5% of Uk market

Lidl have 5.3% of uk market - cant find turnover but could be 7/8 billion?



"Those who would hope Aldi and Lidl are just going to go away will be disappointed. Their till rolls were both up 16.2% and 16.3% respectively, dwarfing the others." Tesco leads the pack with 2.6% growth over the period,
Read more at https://www.managementtoday.co.uk/why-aldi-lidl-will-keep-growing/article/1386497#7rTvYcQmIltDyTm2.99 (https://www.managementtoday.co.uk/why-aldi-lidl-will-keep-growing/article/1386497#7rTvYcQmIltDyTm2.99)
https://www.managementtoday.co.uk/why-aldi-lidl-will-keep-growing/article/1386497 (https://www.managementtoday.co.uk/why-aldi-lidl-will-keep-growing/article/1386497)



These are not small fry any more. They are posing a threat to the top 4  :)
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Equalizer87 on 11-02-18, 08:39PM
Quote from: OpShunned on 11-02-18, 06:58PM
..and when they advertise jobs they post between £8,49 and £9.69 per hour so that makes it more attractive to anyone starting out in retail?

Imitation is often a form of flattery they say although this smacks of desperation. One of the top 4 may go under soon so looks like Tesco are positioning themselves to survive the chop. Is this a gamble that could go wrong?


I quite agree, Tesco have been trying to ignore and play down the threat of the discounters by not acknowledging them. It's been said on here for some time, the discounters model is the future and Tesco (if this is to be true) are now realising that.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: FatFraz on 11-02-18, 09:22PM
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/feb/11/tesco-planning-discount-chain-to-take-on-aldi-and-lidl (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/feb/11/tesco-planning-discount-chain-to-take-on-aldi-and-lidl)

Tesco 'planning' discount chain to take on Aldi and Lidl

Tesco last tried the discount route under the leadership of Sir Terry Leahy, but the move was abandoned because the management team at the time feared it might undermine the main brand.

They prefer to lose business to Aldi/Lidl than retain it.  ;D
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Kingkong2015 on 11-02-18, 10:13PM
Well if pay keeps on going the way it's going we'll all be on minimum wage soon esp in the dc's which have new generation contracts  >:D
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: SensibleSid on 12-02-18, 04:46AM
Here is what the public think of their supermarkets.... Tesco come 6th, just after Iceland FFS.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43026318 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43026318)
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: StinkyPoo on 12-02-18, 09:40AM
I worked for Lidl when it first opened over here, some 20 years ago. I wouldn't go back there! The wages were good but the hours were super long, sometimes 6am until 10pm. Everyone did everything, tills, shop floor, cleaning. Very short on staff, sometimes only one shop assistant and the manager. It may have changed now though.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: FatFraz on 12-02-18, 11:28AM
Quote from: SensibleSid on 12-02-18, 04:46AM
Here is what the public think of their supermarkets.... Tesco come 6th, just after Iceland FFS.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43026318 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43026318)

Aldi 74%
Marks and Spencer 73%
Lidl 69%
Waitrose 68%
Iceland 65%
Tesco 64%   ;D
Asda 63%
Morrisons 63%
Sainsbury's 62%
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: madness on 16-02-18, 01:29PM
Hey drastic dave,
Do aldi do 10 feet high? no.
Do they do pick your bank holiday date? no
Do they do community work? no
Do they hand out stupid ammounts of comment cards? no
Do they do moneygramme? no
Do they do foreign exchange money? no
Do they do service health checks? no
Do they offer to pack bags? no
do they have 14 types or clementine/satsuma? no
Do they give you a budget hours to run a department then randomly have zero overtime weeks? no
Do they treat the customer as a king/queen who can do no wrong? No
do they have  home delivery service that drains the store of support staff and the best dates? no

Do YOU see the problem?
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: FatFraz on 16-02-18, 02:28PM
madness

"budget hours" ;D

The happy hour when Tesco are left with no GAs and TMs are left doing the role on what ever they get.

I saw our PM fill toilet roll once. Not much change out 50K/year. Yet they tell minions to get lost on £7 an hour.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: lackofinterest on 16-02-18, 04:55PM
Quote from: madness on 16-02-18, 01:29PM
Hey drastic dave,
Do aldi do 10 feet high? no.
Do they do pick your bank holiday date? no
Do they do community work? no
Do they hand out stupid ammounts of comment cards? no
Do they do moneygramme? no
Do they do foreign exchange money? no
Do they do service health checks? no
Do they offer to pack bags? no
do they have 14 types or clementine/satsuma? no
Do they give you a budget hours to run a department then randomly have zero overtime weeks? no
Do they treat the customer as a king/queen who can do no wrong? No
do they have  home delivery service that drains the store of support staff and the best dates? no

Do YOU see the problem?

:):thumbup: :thumbup:
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: londoner83 on 16-02-18, 07:14PM
Whilst .comedy is seen as the future of retail it is totally unprofitable hence why none of the discounters are online.

Have you ever found a Lidl extra? Our stores are just too big for customers who largely only shop for the next 2-3 days.

And on staffing do you ever hear of Lidl employees refusing to work a till/clean up a spillage or fill this or that coz it ain't their job?
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Tape measure on 17-02-18, 12:36AM
Quote from: madness on 16-02-18, 01:29PM
Hey drastic dave,
Do aldi do 10 feet high? no.
Do they do pick your bank holiday date? no
Do they do community work? no
Do they hand out stupid ammounts of comment cards? no
Do they do moneygramme? no
Do they do foreign exchange money? no
Do they do service health checks? no
Do they offer to pack bags? no
do they have 14 types or clementine/satsuma? no
Do they give you a budget hours to run a department then randomly have zero overtime weeks? no
Do they treat the customer as a king/queen who can do no wrong? No
do they have  home delivery service that drains the store of support staff and the best dates? no

Do YOU see the problem?


I appreciate your comment. I have had conversations over the years about their business model. It's to be admired but not to everyone's taste.
I know of people who have worked for the discounters and it wasn't a good experience.

Expectations are lower when people shop at the discounters. It's not a criticism as such.

I have worked at Tesco now for a very long time. I remember how staff back over 20 plus years talked at how pleased they were at working there. Especially when the shares had more value. That conversation has dropped of year by year sadly. There is such fierce competition as we all know.

What I really dislike is the recent court case that was very public. Many staff hearing of this felt betrayed.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: lucgeo on 17-02-18, 08:37AM
Tesco ethos back in the day...."stack em high, sell em cheap" ......they succeeded in building up their popularity with this concept.


Fast forward......tesco wanted to compete with the likes of Waitrose, M&S, but retain the bargain brands....resulted in spreading themselves too thin with 3 tiers of the same product...basic, tesco brand and finest. Then having their fingers in too many pies....so the success of some ventures, propping up the failures, in stead of cutting them loose e.g. Dot com...etc....

Aldi and Lidl ethos...."stack em high, sell em cheap" .... ??? ???
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Magenpie on 17-02-18, 09:55AM
Quote from: Tape measure on 17-02-18, 12:36AM
I have worked at Tesco now for a very long time. I remember how staff back over 20 plus years talked at how pleased they were at working there. Especially when the shares had more value. That conversation has dropped of year by year sadly. There is such fierce competition as we all know.

What I really dislike is the recent court case that was very public. Many staff hearing of this felt betrayed.
The rot began under Terry Leahy's stewardship, if you read back. Then Phil Clarke was at odds with his board so much that directors left in droves. Drastic wasn't first choice by any means, I read somewhere he was third or fourth. Clarke thought he could trade out of the slump rather than deal with the cost base, hence the inflated and over the top inventory, in addition to selling the leases. Morrisons still owns about 70% of its stores.

Way forward ?
Send dot.com to Ocado or take it out of stores to make it standalone.

Take some of the KPI's out of stores so you don't have to continuously steal staff from other sections to meet your targets. Do you think the discounters give a s**t how long you queue ?

Reduce the inventory. Funny how Kingsmill was dropped then reappeared. No criticism of the product intended.

Get rid of Clubcard. How much does that cost to administer against the benefits. All these loyalty cards start off with great benefits which then get slashed along the way - Nectar is a prime example, especially at Sainsbury's.

Stop trying to be everything to everyone in the community. It doesn't automatically bring customers through the door. Find the USP - Unique Selling Point - again.

Seriously look at replacing some Extras with Superstores. There is no shame in downsizing if it secures the future of the store and jobs. Some of the rents must be frightening.

Finally, if you don't like it, LEAVE. I and many others have. It won't get better under any leadership because the problems are deep seated, the company is too big to change quickly and the minute the share price falls below about £1.80 technically the debt is greater than the value of the company and borrowing money becomes more expensive. Carrilion's collapse has shown no one is too big to fail.

Finally, before I shut up for a while, I read Judy Bevan's book on the rise and fall of Marks and Spencer published in 2002. I re-read it recently and in a number of scenarios happening now in Tesco mirrors the failings in M&S at the end of the 1990's, and M&S still don't know their USP....
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: redders on 17-02-18, 10:28AM
 :thumbup: good points.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: OvaSees on 17-02-18, 10:31AM
Extremely well put - next CEO? ;)
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: FatFraz on 17-02-18, 11:57AM
The next CEO with potential will be Neville Fox, Caitlin Kirby as his PA.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Tape measure on 17-02-18, 12:07PM
Quote from: Magenpie on 17-02-18, 09:55AM
Quote from: Tape measure on 17-02-18, 12:36AM
I have worked at Tesco now for a very long time. I remember how staff back over 20 plus years talked at how pleased they were at working there. Especially when the shares had more value. That conversation has dropped of year by year sadly. There is such fierce competition as we all know.

What I really dislike is the recent court case that was very public. Many staff hearing of this felt betrayed.
The rot began under Terry Leahy's stewardship, if you read back. Then Phil Clarke was at odds with his board so much that directors left in droves. Drastic wasn't first choice by any means, I read somewhere he was third or fourth. Clarke thought he could trade out of the slump rather than deal with the cost base, hence the inflated and over the top inventory, in addition to selling the leases. Morrisons still owns about 70% of its stores.

Way forward ?
Send dot.com to Ocado or take it out of stores to make it standalone.

Take some of the KPI's out of stores so you don't have to continuously steal staff from other sections to meet your targets. Do you think the discounters give a s**t how long you queue ?

Reduce the inventory. Funny how Kingsmill was dropped then reappeared. No criticism of the product intended.

Get rid of Clubcard. How much does that cost to administer against the benefits. All these loyalty cards start off with great benefits which then get slashed along the way - Nectar is a prime example, especially at Sainsbury's.

Stop trying to be everything to everyone in the community. It doesn't automatically bring customers through the door. Find the USP - Unique Selling Point - again.

Seriously look at replacing some Extras with Superstores. There is no shame in downsizing if it secures the future of the store and jobs. Some of the rents must be frightening.

Finally, if you don't like it, LEAVE. I and many others have. It won't get better under any leadership because the problems are deep seated, the company is too big to change quickly and the minute the share price falls below about £1.80 technically the debt is greater than the value of the company and borrowing money becomes more expensive. Carrilion's collapse has shown no one is too big to fail.

Finally, before I shut up for a while, I read Judy Bevan's book on the rise and fall of Marks and Spencer published in 2002. I re-read it recently and in a number of scenarios happening now in Tesco mirrors the failings in M&S at the end of the 1990's, and M&S still don't know their USP....


I appreciate your comments A valid point regarding KPI's.
That has become a major gripe. It requires a realistic review. It's a new era.
I agree. Dot com needs to have its own store.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: madness on 17-02-18, 12:26PM
Quote from: Tape measure on 17-02-18, 12:36AM
Quote from: madness on 16-02-18, 01:29PM
Hey drastic dave,
Do aldi do 10 feet high? no.
Do they do pick your bank holiday date? no
Do they do community work? no
Do they hand out stupid ammounts of comment cards? no
Do they do moneygramme? no
Do they do foreign exchange money? no
Do they do service health checks? no
Do they offer to pack bags? no
do they have 14 types or clementine/satsuma? no
Do they give you a budget hours to run a department then randomly have zero overtime weeks? no
Do they treat the customer as a king/queen who can do no wrong? No
do they have  home delivery service that drains the store of support staff and the best dates? no

Do YOU see the problem?


I appreciate your comment. I have had conversations over the years about their business model. It's to be admired but not to everyone's taste.
I know of people who have worked for the discounters and it wasn't a good experience.

Expectations are lower when people shop at the discounters. It's not a criticism as such.

I have worked at Tesco now for a very long time. I remember how staff back over 20 plus years talked at how pleased they were at working there. Especially when the shares had more value. That conversation has dropped of year by year sadly. There is such fierce competition as we all know.

What I really dislike is the recent court case that was very public. Many staff hearing of this felt betrayed.

I understand there ae problems with their model  well. In the early years  store consisted of 1 manager 1 assistant and one deputy. Trying to cover management dys off never mind holidays were difficult. They have since overome this now byhaving more deputies and  second assistant manager in most stores.
Tesco as far as I see have a staff problem becuase it is so scared of being overstaffed. How many full time ga's are there now? These are the backbone of any department when managers play musical chairs. But now with so many part timers there is no one who cares. Would you care about learning the ins and outs of your department when you work 15 hours  week but are sstudying economics at uni and have no intention of a career in retail?

Flexability is great but given the choice i'd have 6 full timers instead of 12 part timers. However the way tesco work holiday cover or vacancy cover when sometimes you get the hours and other times you dont who would risk a 36 hour holiday not being covered in your department?
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Tape measure on 17-02-18, 01:03PM
Quote from: madness on 17-02-18, 12:26PM
Quote from: Tape measure on 17-02-18, 12:36AM
Quote from: madness on 16-02-18, 01:29PM
Hey drastic dave,
Do aldi do 10 feet high? no.
Do they do pick your bank holiday date? no
Do they do community work? no
Do they hand out stupid ammounts of comment cards? no
Do they do moneygramme? no
Do they do foreign exchange money? no
Do they do service health checks? no
Do they offer to pack bags? no
do they have 14 types or clementine/satsuma? no
Do they give you a budget hours to run a department then randomly have zero overtime weeks? no
Do they treat the customer as a king/queen who can do no wrong? No
do they have  home delivery service that drains the store of support staff and the best dates? no

Do YOU see the problem?


I appreciate your comment. I have had conversations over the years about their business model. It's to be admired but not to everyone's taste.
I know of people who have worked for the discounters and it wasn't a good experience.

Expectations are lower when people shop at the discounters. It's not a criticism as such.

I have worked at Tesco now for a very long time. I remember how staff back over 20 plus years talked at how pleased they were at working there. Especially when the shares had more value. That conversation has dropped of year by year sadly. There is such fierce competition as we all know.

What I really dislike is the recent court case that was very public. Many staff hearing of this felt betrayed.

I understand there ae problems with their model  well. In the early years  store consisted of 1 manager 1 assistant and one deputy. Trying to cover management dys off never mind holidays were difficult. They have since overome this now byhaving more deputies and  second assistant manager in most stores.
Tesco as far as I see have a staff problem becuase it is so scared of being overstaffed. How many full time ga's are there now? These are the backbone of any department when managers play musical chairs. But now with so many part timers there is no one who cares. Would you care about learning the ins and outs of your department when you work 15 hours  week but are sstudying economics at uni and have no intention of a career in retail?

Flexability is great but given the choice i'd have 6 full timers instead of 12 part timers. However the way tesco work holiday cover or vacancy cover when sometimes you get the hours and other times you dont who would risk a 36 hour holiday not being covered in your department?


It's an interesting point regarding Part time staff and their level of commitment to the company. I have had this conversation with colleagues. I am not suggesting all part time staff don't care about their job but they can view it differently to those who work say 20 plus hours a week. They aren't around the business as much. Some are out the loop.
They may study. They have children. Some are carer's. Some work to keep their hand in! They don't need the wage. They've retired but to choose to work. There are so many dimensions to this.

It's important to have GA full time staff. Though as we've all witnessed. That full time role has declined over the years.

Do Aldi and Lidl have many full time staff?

Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: FatFraz on 17-02-18, 01:18PM
Aldi/Lidl has more PT than FT now in stores, 10 hour contracts etc.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: lucgeo on 17-02-18, 04:27PM
From what I see, at my local Aldi, is management on the shop floor filling, jumping on a checkout, speaking to others on their headsets, all the while constantly moving, setting the pace that the others work to.

From what I see, at my store, is management in meetings....management having a costa.....management on break together for a good 30mins, management on lunch together for well over the hour.....line managers backstabbing each other....senior team fuelling the backstabbing....on their phones constantly....very rarely greeting or even acknowledging the GA's .....always looking for the gullible wannabe GA on options, ripe for exploitation...dangling the carrot, giving them the duty phone whilst covering their department, over the busy trading periods, then telling them their not ready to go on a placement, as they don't want to lose their dogsbody... :-X :-X
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Equalizer87 on 17-02-18, 04:49PM
@ lucgeo


Sounds about right.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: OvaSees on 17-02-18, 04:55PM
It's not rocket science - when Tesco started offering piecemeal contracts with few hours to more people, it started to attract the kind of people who only wanted piecemeal contracts to earn a bit of extra money.

lucgeo - same obervations here.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Equalizer87 on 17-02-18, 05:04PM
Spot on OvaSees.

I have always been of the opinion that someone who works 10 or 15 hours a weeks doesn't put all into the job (sorry but that's what I saw whilst there). Remember, those people would have most of their 168 hour weeks fir themselves, do you really think they give two hoots about Tesco?
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: mexicopete on 17-02-18, 06:28PM
Quote from: lucgeo on 17-02-18, 04:27PM
From what I see, at my local Aldi, is management on the shop floor filling, jumping on a checkout, speaking to others on their headsets, all the while constantly moving, setting the pace that the others work to.

From what I see, at my store, is management in meetings....management having a costa.....management on break together for a good 30mins, management on lunch together for well over the hour.....line managers backstabbing each other....senior team fuelling the backstabbing....on their phones constantly....very rarely greeting or even acknowledging the GA's .....always looking for the gullible wannabe GA on options, ripe for exploitation...dangling the carrot, giving them the duty phone whilst covering their department, over the busy trading periods, then telling them their not ready to go on a placement, as they don't want to lose their dogsbody... :-X :-X

Yeah and you only need to see how long it takes quite a few of the options slaves to get signed off to realise how low calibre most of them are. Dogsbody pretty much sums most of them up very nicely @lucgeo :o :o :o
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: Nomad on 15-07-20, 10:05AM
Lidl beats Tesco and Aldi to win cheapest supermarket for basket of 78 essential items (https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/12111994/lidl-beats-tesco-aldi-win-cheapest-supermarket/)

QuoteLIDL has beaten Tesco and Aldi in a price war to be the cheapest supermarket in June 2020, according to an investigation from Which?.

The discounter came out on top in a monthly grocery price comparison run by the consumer group.
Title: Re: Lidl paying £8-20 per hour
Post by: miriam on 15-07-20, 11:50AM
Lucgeo
I agree with you about Tesco management and others who are related or in a click