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New contract concerns

Started by Paper Rose, 26-05-22, 10:39AM

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BritishRacingGreen

And you think that's okay?

King1999

If your working for a company that has zero compassion of how it treats its people yeah it's fine, they  need to stop painting this fuzzy we love everyone but our actual staff in store image they portray on ourtesco.Fact they cut the hours on the system weeks before it was mentioned that stock control was losing hours,the union totally unaware,team 5 to tell staff your hours are being cut no mention of where else staff are to work sold as a soft structure change this is why t&Cs are so important so staff are treated with dignity and respect which they haven't been yet again, and its not even October yet when the new contract starts.
No point caring if your not cared about its all smoke and daggers with this lot now and how can we make ourselves look good to the media.Staff are at the bottom of the pile clearly.

BritishRacingGreen

#127
You don't think actively declaring incorrect figures is dishonest?

King1999

#128
Maybe so but the company needs a massive lesson in how to treat people.  Bear in mind the ¬£thousands in theft that walk out everyday and apparently that's OK.  So a few counts won't make a blind bit of difference.

lackofinterest


lucgeo

Quote from: BritishRacingGreen on 26-06-22, 01:29PMYou don't think actively declaring incorrect figures is dishonest?

Sometimes you just need to give up. Not because you don't care, but because they don't.
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

FarmerFred

Quote from: BritishRacingGreen on 26-06-22, 01:29PMYou don't think actively declaring incorrect figures is dishonest?
Doesn't Tesco have form for that?  :D  :D

Personally I wouldn't falsify the counts as that would be a disciplinary issue, whereas not completing due to insufficient resource/time could easily be defended. By falsification of the counts it gives head office the wrong impression that the cuts were justified and encourages them to cut more....

NightAndDay

Quote from: BritishRacingGreen on 26-06-22, 01:29PMYou don't think actively declaring incorrect figures is dishonest?

No more dishonest than what Tesco expects to be achieved with 10% of the amount of staff that is required, dishonesty begets dishonesty.

lucgeo

Quote from: FarmerFred on 27-06-22, 08:44AM
Quote from: BritishRacingGreen on 26-06-22, 01:29PMYou don't think actively declaring incorrect figures is dishonest?
Doesn't Tesco have form for that?  :D  :D

Personally I wouldn't falsify the counts as that would be a disciplinary issue, whereas not completing due to insufficient resource/time could easily be defended. By falsification of the counts it gives head office the wrong impression that the cuts were justified and encourages them to cut more....

Have to agree with this. We used to have a manager tell us to just make it up, then got sacked for doing the same on the system himself, after previously being warned!!

Again what FarmerFred has said is correct...if you haven't got time to complete your routines, then that's a capability study, and those who are faking the numbers are just giving back false info on the RHRP, and future hour reductions.
If you can't finish the job, it has to be dealt with instore, either you're  c**p or the department hours are!!  :-X  :-X

Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

Jackwarda

I quite agree. I keep banging on about a Diary, I have kept at least 10 years worth. I would not suggest falsifying any counts, documents, routines. Simply note what you cant do, why you cant do it. As suggested previously, you can argue the toss! But to falsely do things, when your but is up against the wall, they will come down hard on you. Also it is a disciplinary offence and I dont mean they take away the Jelly Tots! EVEN if a manager tells you to do it! Refuse, make a note, pass complaint to SM.

Batmanjo

Quote from: radaghastly on 04-06-22, 01:51PM
Quote from: FarmerFred on 04-06-22, 08:57AM
Quote from: radaghastly on 04-06-22, 06:19AM
Quote from: FarmerFred on 04-06-22, 05:31AMThey have the right to negotiate on your behalf because when you sign your contract you agree to be bound by the terms of the "Collective Working Agreement" even if you aren't a member of the union.

Agreed, however, when the partnership agreement was taken up - there was a huge percentage of us who were members. I think that demographic is now reversed. At what point do they lose the right to negotiate for us?  Is there anything in law? A percentage of staff they must have as members?

Their "collective bargaining power" currently has us at 5p over minimum wage & since the partnership, they have given away our benefits one after another. Doesn't seem to me that their members are benefitting from this partnership.
The only ways out of the agreement is for either Usdaw or Tesco to withdraw. Alternatively a second union to come in, but that would require Tesco to voluntarily recognise that union or some difficult hurdles to be overcome for CAC to force statutory recognition.

Thats interesting - had not heard of CAC - browsed their site & found a page on how to derecognise the union, apparently if 10% of us want out, we can set it in motion https://www.gov.uk/derecognise-a-union/workers-union-loses-support

WOW, someone really should get the ball rolling with this as the Union is certainly not fit for purpose, it's as though they want to have everyone on a flexi contract without having to bargain with the contact holders, so now the clause in the contract saying you can be asked reasonably to go on another department no longer holds any substance as you may unreasonably forced to go on as many departments as they see fit from October thanks to the union  >:(  >:( 

Beenheretoolong93

Can't find a way of making my own post.
But our new system has started at work with all overtime being posted onto the app.

How does everyone feel about it.
As since it's started,the overtime shifts are not flexible at all for people who have children.
All the shifts either seem to start at 8am and finish at 3pm.

I've spoken to the manager saying I can work the days for overtime but can they change the times to fit around school hours.

And they don't even seem to have a clue there self's.

I'm contracted to 10 hours and always do overtime to add up to 25 hours a week.

Since the new system.
I have had nothing for the past 3 weeks

Batmanjo

Quote from: Jackwarda on 25-06-22, 06:40PMWell, all we can do is wait! When it starts in October, then I guess you will see how it is working or not! But and there is always a But! Example; Stock Control, you take them off, to help say check out, dot com, CSD, PFS, Filling etc. They go back to try and catch up with their routines, counts, elgals, etc, then pulled off yet again..... and we continue! Consequence Stock Control does not or unable to complete there work. Is The Manager then going to rant at the stock control!
Me personally, id write it all down in a diary! If a manager starts ranting at me, id politely tell them not to and walk away. If they call you in for a Lets talk about why counts or routines not done, Id pull out my diary and real off what my shift consisted of  and politely ask the manager to show, explain where in this day could I actually fulfil my job.
Gosh that was an awful lot to say out loud!


However, the colleague on stock control may no longer be accountable as they are now on the "New" contract which is not for a specific department so in this case the Manager may be seen as a bully for reprimanding a colleague for covering another department having not completing their routines for that day due to the companies inadequacies.   

Sherwoodforest

You will still have a primary dept were most of your hours are worked

King1999

Stock control doesn't exist according to this hours market place c**p.Aswell as a few other areas in the store so if it doesn't get done say I don't exist anymore I'm just hours not a human being, it was the cornish pixies who didn't do it.

Jackwarda

#140
@King1999, that was most unfair to the poor little Pixies in Cornwall.  How exactly is one supposed to give the little pixies a Lets Talk or Discipline!
But, what will or has happened to the current Stock Control people, do they still have a job, main stock, or has the actual stock job gone totally! IF the latter what will happen to those on very long term sick, Maternity, Break! when they get back.

King1999

Still exsists  just less time to do stock control things apparently, do less is better in the companies eyes.....my apologies to the cornish pixies.Its all very vague they expect the same results with less time spent on it......work us to death in the process.

Redshoes

Quote from: Beenheretoolong93 on 30-06-22, 12:48PMCan't find a way of making my own post.
But our new system has started at work with all overtime being posted onto the app.

How does everyone feel about it.
As since it's started,the overtime shifts are not flexible at all for people who have children.
All the shifts either seem to start at 8am and finish at 3pm.

I've spoken to the manager saying I can work the days for overtime but can they change the times to fit around school hours.

And they don't even seem to have a clue there self's.

I'm contracted to 10 hours and always do overtime to add up to 25 hours a week.

Since the new system.
I have had nothing for the past 3 weeks

Your manager posts the shifts. Changing the time will depend on a lot of things. If the shifts are not being picked up it might be a matter of a change so that at least some of the shift is covered. If there is no issue with shifts being filled and they are at a time when they are really needed there is not much to be done. If the time you work is more important than the dept you work in it might be an option to look at other Depts.

Jackwarda

@King1999, well I guess, I will find out within the next few weeks, when I return. Although the stock control job has been done away with.. It will all fall into place at some point, It always does and will. Trouble is, there will be such a mish mash and staff caught in the middle!

King1999

Stock control hasn't gone we've just got less time to do it,to be honest we're running over hours now because it takes alot longer to complete gaps on the days it's done aswell as counts and other jobs that need doing plus we also cover price integrity and merchandising so manager won't change hours as it will stitch her up.... her words.Osi once every other week is a complete waste of time just doing it on one day.I'm sure wherever they trialed it they were all yes boys and girls with excellent replenishment and zero stock in the back up...meanwhile in the real world.

Tesla

McDonalds are paying assistants ¬£11 an hour while Tesco advertise at ¬£4 and the lead team are surprised no one wants  to do a hands turn for them. Meanwhile the SMs are buying BMWs and Bellway homes.

londoner83

Be interesting to see the effects on store's stock results of the now much reduced stock control routines.....

Also when colleagues are multi-tasking on various departments every day under the new contract who do you hold accountable if a task isn't delivered?

NorthernJ


King1999


stockcontroller

Quote from: londoner83 on 02-07-22, 08:04AMBe interesting to see the effects on store's stock results of the now much reduced stock control routines.....

Also when colleagues are multi-tasking on various departments every day under the new contract who do you hold accountable if a task isn't delivered?

Honestly I am so grateful I took the redundancy cash when I did. I really don't know what the company thinks but stock control is necessary. If we book stocked every count we had then we'd have 3x the stock the next week. As I said I am so happy I bailed in 2019 and I feel so sorry for stock controllers that are left as you will be called onto checkouts constantly and you'll be flexed up onto dot com if your store has it.

As I said I am so happy I bailed in 2019. As from what Tesco has shown it was clearly the last year they were willing to pay redundancy.

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