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Unfair treatment

Started by Nomad, 25-05-22, 02:17PM

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Do/did you suffer 'unfair' treatment by management ?

No
23 (18.9%)
Yes
99 (81.1%)

Total Members Voted: 122

Nomad

Be honest, have you suffered unfair treatment from a manager ?

Not treated the same as others, been 'picked on', expected to do more than others or had treatment which you knew they knew was out of process but they persisted !
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Hibobhi

#1
Of course! I work for Tesco.

lackofinterest

Quote from: Nomad on 25-05-22, 02:17PM
Be honest, have you suffered unfair treatment from a manager ?

Not treated the same as others, been 'picked on', expected to do more than others or had treatment which you knew they knew was out of process but they persisted !
they've tried it more than once. what they want and what they get are two different kettles of fish :P

lucgeo


OH YES!!! I think it's a common practice for newbies, until they know better!
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

Mark calloway

Definitely.  In fact it's ongoing.

lucgeo

I would go as far as to state it has become a lot worse over the years, and a significant increase from senior team!

Lack of training full stop!! A lot of team managers don't know what their own policies are, and wing it most of the time!
The majority of senior team are oldies on good contracts, just biding their time to a good retirement plan! The new initiatives have passed over their heads, and they aren't interested in learning either, God forbid any young whipper snapper join the senior team and showing them up for their ignorance!!

The personnel managers used to keep them all in check, but when the cull came, the good ones left in their droves, and the ones that remained, well, they knew they were rubbish, and wouldn't earn that salary anywhere else as they weren't related to the big bosses!!
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

Mark calloway

I hit no instead of yes. Arrrggh. Management are horrendous at our store. Out an
d out bullies.

NightAndDay

#7
Quote from: lucgeo on 26-05-22, 06:32AM
I would go as far as to state it has become a lot worse over the years, and a significant increase from senior team!

Lack of training full stop!! A lot of team managers don't know what their own policies are, and wing it most of the time!
The majority of senior team are oldies on good contracts, just biding their time to a good retirement plan! The new initiatives have passed over their heads, and they aren't interested in learning either, God forbid any young whipper snapper join the senior team and showing them up for their ignorance!!

The personnel managers used to keep them all in check, but when the cull came, the good ones left in their droves, and the ones that remained, well, they knew they were rubbish, and wouldn't earn that salary a

anywhere else as they weren't related to the big bosses!!

Back in my day Personnel Managers were glorified tea ladies ex-dinner ladies, plenty of young, head strong twenty-something store managers ran stores as they see fit, chiller chats and paying less than minimum wage ahoy, one of the PMs even managed to get their sons a job in-store, they were on route for fast track to SM until they got arrested for dealing cocaine, senior management swept it under the rug and said they found better opportunities elsewhere, to senior managements credit though they aren't wrong, prison officers and wardens aren't as resistant to the law as Tesco, they'd have to worry more about getting caught while at Tesco, there is an understanding of the thin blue line by senior management and government/legal officials alike, provided Tesco doesn't overstep the mark, they have nigh-diplomatic immunity status to employment law, they will still get punished, but it will always be punitively so, the government and judges know not to muddy the waters.

penguin

I never as I would stick up for myself, however in my express days I witnessed a lot of unfair treatment towards some staff from a shift leader who was a bully and a bigot, he was awful towards both CA's and his fellow shift leaders. The situation was not helped as the SM was very weak as a leader and she would sit in her office and cry when anything went wrong rather than rectify the problem. I did on several occasions try to challenge the shift leader in question but he just used to laugh his head off and say words to the effect of "I can do what I want as I am in charge" and what happened to the shift leader you might well ask, he left to go and work for Aldi and is now an SM for them.
Do not let anyone tell you there is not a decent job and life beyond Tesco.

sunshineman

What is needed to be honest is undercover people to go into Tesco and look at some of the managers. We have a couple of managers who go on cig breaks three times an hour. Not sure where they find the time. Some managers to talk staff in such a shocking way. We had one person who was training to be a manager who decided to give it up as they did not like how some managers spoke to people.

biggerpicture

Not all managers are bad. There are some very good managers out there. Same as colleagues.

Redshoes

I had a colleague rant and rave about a manager yesterday. They were on rota for a certain time but had not turned up. They were angry because this meant manager was pleasing themselves about what shift they were doing. Turns out the manager had been asked to change shift due to an issue in managers rota. Some colleagues seem to think they run the store but these colleagues also tend to think that they work in the only dept that matters. They think they are the hardest workers in the store but expect support on a daily basis.

lucgeo

I'm always intrigued when colleagues complain about managers going out for ciggie breaks?? If they're out there, you know where they are if needed, and they're not hassling you!!
When they're hiding in the offices, or wherever else their hidey holes are, you've little chance of finding them in a hurry!

With regard to being spoken down to by a manager, you just raise your hand, state that you refuse to be spoken to in a tone which is against Tesco core values, and walk away! Trust me, they will not know what to say :o
Every colleague has "a right to a voice" and by walking away you are demonstrating your wish to remove yourself from the situation, diminishing the risk of further confrontation, ( especially if it is in a public area)  as you were becoming " emotionally flooded"  ;)

The more you recite their own Tesco phrases and core values in your defence, the more they'll " treat others as you would wish to be treated"!

Just on an aside here...are the core values still displayed prominently in your store??
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

lucgeo

Quote from: Redshoes on 01-06-22, 09:49AM
I had a colleague rant and rave about a manager yesterday. They were on rota for a certain time but had not turned up. They were angry because this meant manager was pleasing themselves about what shift they were doing. Turns out the manager had been asked to change shift due to an issue in managers rota. Some colleagues seem to think they run the store but these colleagues also tend to think that they work in the only dept that matters. They think they are the hardest workers in the store but expect support on a daily basis.

Is it not the duty of the dept manager to inform their team of a change in their shift, by updating the dept rota ???

Whereas the colleague was incorrect in their assumption that the manager was turning up when they pleased, and in voicing that opinion, surely a simple update would have dispelled the frustration! Every dept is supposed to be run on communication, hence the use of communication books...or are these no longer in use??
It could just have been that an agreement had been arranged between the manager and colleague for a specific task or update during that shift, and they had been wasting time on preparation or putting time aside for agreed time etc..etc...

The only department's that "expect" support on a daily basis is fresh and checkouts and both get it in abundance!!
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

HiHarvey

Quote from: lucgeo on 01-06-22, 09:59AM
I'm always intrigued when colleagues complain about managers going out for ciggie breaks?? If they're out there, you know where they are if needed, and they're not hassling you!!
When they're hiding in the offices, or wherever else their hidey holes are, you've little chance of finding them in a hurry!

With regard to being spoken down to by a manager, you just raise your hand, state that you refuse to be spoken to in a tone which is against Tesco core values, and walk away! Trust me, they will not know what to say :o
Every colleague has "a right to a voice" and by walking away you are demonstrating your wish to remove yourself from the situation, diminishing the risk of further confrontation, ( especially if it is in a public area)  as you were becoming " emotionally flooded"  ;)

The more you recite their own Tesco phrases and core values in your defence, the more they'll " treat others as you would wish to be treated"!

Just on an aside here...are the core values still displayed prominently in your store??

Our night management couldn't give a toss about core values. It's do as I say not as I do. The old night lead was terrible and the current not any better.

lucgeo

 8-) And they get away with it because the staff let them  8-)
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

NightAndDay

Staff are powerless, employment law is one of the areas where Tesco managers enjoy the privelege of near enough legal immunity.

lucgeo

Staff are not powerless, a group grievance for bullying still holds weight...not everything only ends up in law courts! :-X
Live for today. Learn from yesterday.

HiHarvey

Quote from: NightAndDay on 02-06-22, 05:19PM
Staff are powerless, employment law is one of the areas where Tesco managers enjoy the privelege of near enough legal immunity.

Powerless yes but there is only so many times the courts can side with Tesco before they will rethink. Let's be honest nobody needs to work at Tesco's anyway.  It's going the way of McDonald's where the majority are part time or don't give a toss.

NightAndDay

There's an understanding between the courts and Tesco, because a significant part of the UKs GDP depends on Tesco, the courts and Tesco have an understanding, they can't punish Tesco egregiously as that would result in cuts at Tesco and money taken away from the tax man and a drop in GDP, thereby weakening the pound. And one of the first things the government will cut after civil servants will be from their legal infrastructure.

Totot

If our government understanding about macro economy like that, we are already doom.
Just because tesco gross selling is about 1.8% of gdp, doesn't mean if tesco stop operated, we will lose that much. Market demand will be still there and other competitor will pick it up,  and supplier will make a different route of marketing chain. Even if few product completely gone, their subs will arise to certain level, not completely gone.

But if government way of understanding macro economy like this, maybe they should rethink to pay much less of them self, if the output are not significant, their pay should also not significant.

horatiocain

Do you know how often Tescoblose at tribunal.
They've the precedent for bad handling of flexible working requests.
They've lost 4 large cases this year for disability discrimination costing them over £80,000 thisbyear just on these 4 cases, and it cost them 6-10k a day to defend each case that reaches tribunal, a driver got 20k and his job back after a 3 day hearing.
50k and they lost, and they lose all the time  they settle often because management are c**p, and their legal defence knows it, a rep at my store has helped several people sue and he's won everytime.

Tribunals are set up for the everyman, use them, if people do then head office will become tired of the matter and deal with problems, you have to highlight it to those who will do something, most Stores are corrupt and do everything in their power to make sure it never gets out.
Use the tribunal services.

NightAndDay

All of these legal fines and compensations are punitive to Tesco however, they can lose these amounts every day for a year and it wouldn't equate to their legal budget

I hate Tesco and the government more than anyone, the way to hurt Tesco, and I mean destroy it from within is to do what I do and buy shares in the company every 3 months when the share price is lower in comparison, eventually you'll become a majority share holder and influence the decision making process.

Redshoes

Quote from: lucgeo on 01-06-22, 10:12AM
Quote from: Redshoes on 01-06-22, 09:49AM
I had a colleague rant and rave about a manager yesterday. They were on rota for a certain time but had not turned up. They were angry because this meant manager was pleasing themselves about what shift they were doing. Turns out the manager had been asked to change shift due to an issue in managers rota. Some colleagues seem to think they run the store but these colleagues also tend to think that they work in the only dept that matters. They think they are the hardest workers in the store but expect support on a daily basis.

Is it not the duty of the dept manager to inform their team of a change in their shift, by updating the dept rota ???

Whereas the colleague was incorrect in their assumption that the manager was turning up when they pleased, and in voicing that opinion, surely a simple update would have dispelled the frustration! Every dept is supposed to be run on communication, hence the use of communication books...or are these no longer in use??
It could just have been that an agreement had been arranged between the manager and colleague for a specific task or update during that shift, and they had been wasting time on preparation or putting time aside for agreed time etc..etc...

The only department's that "expect" support on a daily basis is fresh and checkouts and both get it in abundance!!

Colleague was just annoyed that manager was not in when they expected them to be, they told me as much. I was only manager in the building and had lots to do, I did check to see if all was ok with manager and it was a change that had not been updated on the manager rota and I told colleague this, she was not pleased. I explained that as we are a small management team these changes do happen for us and sometimes it is last min. Between us we have to cover all parts of the day. I did not explain to colleague reason for change as I did not bother asking myself, I just checked in to ensure fellow manager was ok and was not ill or involved in an accident on the way to work etc.

FarmerFred

Quote from: NightAndDay on 02-06-22, 11:40PM
All of these legal fines and compensations are punitive to Tesco however, they can lose these amounts every day for a year and it wouldn't equate to their legal budget

I hate Tesco and the government more than anyone, the way to hurt Tesco, and I mean destroy it from within is to do what I do and buy shares in the company every 3 months when the share price is lower in comparison, eventually you'll become a majority share holder and influence the decision making process.
Let's say that you manage to buy 40,000 shares every three months for 50 years - that's 200 purchases giving you a total of 8 million shares which represents..... less than 0.1% of the 9.7 billion shares issued. That's a great level of influence to have in the decision making process :D

As to your earlier post about the contribution of Tesco to the UK GDP... if Tesco got upset enough to pull down the blinds & shut the doors the other supermarkets would expand to fill the gaps in the market given that the majority of Tesco turnover is based around people purchasing essentials. It also ignores the fact that the majority of shareholders would be most unlikely to approve a course of action that would wipe out the value of their investments.

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