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Title: Holiday
Post by: Bluemoon on 13-01-20, 05:34PM
I had my holiday meeting last year where my manager told me how many days I had to book. All were signed off. I have now been told he has given me  too many days. I've booked to go away and I now have to take it unpaid.  Is this my fault for not checking how many days I was entitled too, I just assumed my manager would get it right.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Justme23 on 13-01-20, 06:52PM
Just check your wage slip and that will tell you how many days you have left.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: 80377494 on 13-01-20, 07:29PM
Bluemoon

Your wage slip will only show your entitlement and how many days you've taken, not what you have booked. Your January payslip will only show holidays taken up to and including Thursday 02 January.

Have you changed your shift pattern in the last year? e.g. dropped from 5 days to 3 days, etc as this will lower your entitlement. Have you taken holidays that were not requested when you had your holiday meeting?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: madness on 13-01-20, 08:23PM
Your days could change if you have increased or decreased your contracted days throughout the year.  unless you take it from the hram system then paysheet sometimes hasnt taken eerything into account. If you are that worried bout being short then pick up a days overtime? I suspect the answer you are looking for is you will get the extra day paid anyway because of the mistake but that's not how it works.

Tip for you work more in the run up to your booked holidays and you will get a bit extra pay in your hols pay compared to a normal contracted month.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: forrestgimp on 14-01-20, 06:07AM
i dont understand. can you not shorten another holiday to accommodate your holiday away?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Redshoes on 14-01-20, 07:01AM
Could it be that Christmas and new year bank holidays have not been accounted for. The wages system will not allow more holidays to be put into it that allowed. However, the bank holiday part of the system will. If days have not been saved for Christmas and new year this will leave you short.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 14-01-20, 08:54AM
This was a common problem in my store. B/h entitlement and holidays were often entered incorrectly on the system. Check payslip for days left for both. It always amazed me how often people were told they had to take as unpaid and further down the line told they had b/b entitlement to use or lose. it was never automatically cross checked the moment a discrepancy occurred, not even by the wage clerk!
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Mr ford on 14-01-20, 05:30PM
Its totally your responsibility to know how many holidays you are entitled to. Yes the manager is at fault but you will just need to cancel other holidays or take it unpaid.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: londoner83 on 14-01-20, 05:41PM
Believe this issue could be resolved if Tesco scrapped the separate headings of holiday/bank holiday and Personal Day and just went with one Holiday to use to cover all 3.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Rad on 14-01-20, 09:25PM
If its this holiday year, the least they can do is offer for you to use some of next years entitlement.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Redshoes on 15-01-20, 08:22AM
Quote from: londoner83 on 14-01-20, 05:41PM
Believe this issue could be resolved if Tesco scrapped the separate headings of holiday/bank holiday and Personal Day and just went with one Holiday to use to cover all 3.

Totally agree, we were told a few years ago it was about to happen but never has. The system needs an update.
If you change your working days a catch up is needed to adjust holidays. If you used to work a Tuesday it will stay in system ax Tuesday until manually updated by wages clerk.  Our wages clerk was putting in shift so if you worked 0900-1800 for example this is what was put in system. If you changed your hours to 1000-1900 this messed things up. They now put in full day in my store.
Our manager gives up a print out of holidays 3 or 4 times a year. We are asked to double check. The problem is that as we fill out a holiday form, this is then put in dept diary and to wages. It firstly has to put in diary and system correctly. If holidays are changed and rebooked. This all has to be done again. If we change days this has to be done again. We employ people to do these jobs. We can endeavour to get it right but as people we make errors. We do hold some responsibility for our own holidays. We should not come to work if we are supposed to be on holiday, it happens. We need to check that we use forms and we don't verbally request or hand in dates on scraps of paper. Forms are kept and should be referred back to. We need to check holidays are put on rota/flexi sheets correctly. We then need to come up with a reasonable fix if things do go wrong. The more times you touch these things the bigger the chance us that it goes wrong. At one time we were only allowed to change our holidays if signed off by senior team but this was a store thing.
One last thing. You have a set amount of paid holidays. The company can't issue you more. A fix could be Many things and can come down to relationship between colleague and manager. With a good relationship it's a chat and resolution.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Alnolda on 21-02-20, 07:35AM
Can anyone please help me? I recently applied for a bolt-on shift (a extra day contract) and I was told I got the extra day so I am contracted the Wed, Thurs & Fri now instead of just Thurs & Fri, I am due a weeks holidays next week and my boss is trying to tell me I have to come in on Wednesday which is the additional shift I got given.

Is this right enough? Why can't I just have the 3 days off? I have arranged to go away for a few days next week as well, now I'm going to have to cancel my plans.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 21-02-20, 08:43AM
No, it should be honoured, as it is booked. The manager is being unreasonable, should have queried any booked time off to arrange cover for the extra day. It can be taken as unpaid or work the time back, or used if you still have available holidays to take, as your new allowance for the extra day won't be incorporated in your paid holiday pro rata.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Pathfinder on 22-02-20, 12:41PM
Ref .bank holidays ....has the policy changed regarding working bank holidays...relating to christmas day ,boxing day and NYD ... my store managers says this has now changed no evidence...and says he can make staff work if not enough volunteers . I am aware 2009 any new staff member can be asked to work 5 of the bank holidays but not 25,26 th and 1st jan . ....has this changed and I'd so where is new agreement.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: 80377494 on 22-02-20, 12:58PM
Pathfinder

No it hasn't changed. It's on your contract that no-one can be made to work Xmas Day, Boxing Day and New Years Day.

Managers can only make you work if there aren't enough volunteers for the other 5 bank holidays. Ask your manager to show you the paperwork with the policy change.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: 80377494 on 22-02-20, 01:05PM
Copied from the February 2020 Holiday Policy.

10. Do I have a choice about working on a bank holiday?
This depends on the area of the business you work in:

Stores and Customer Fulfilment Centres
If you joined Tesco before 26th January 2009, working on a bank holiday is voluntary unless your contract specifically
requires you to do so.
If you joined on or after 26th January 2009 and there are insufficient volunteers to work on a bank holiday, you may
be required to work on up to five bank holidays (excluding Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Year’s Day) if you
are normally scheduled to work on the day the bank holiday falls.

Distribution
Your rota will specify the bank holidays that you need to work, and these are treated as normal working days. If you
wish to book a bank holiday off, you can do so in the same way as for any other holiday.

Office and Customer Engagement Centres
If your office or department is closed on the bank holiday, then you are not required to work and will book a day from
your bank holiday allowance. If your office or department is open then working on the day will be voluntary, unless your contract states otherwise. If you choose to work on the bank holiday but the business does not require you to work, you will not receive any premium for doing so.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Pathfinder on 22-02-20, 01:26PM
Hi yes I am fully aware of the policy ...yet my store manager has said its changed ...(has has yet to show new policy )
But you know the staff are last to find out if the policy has changed ....I knew I'd get more knowledge from this site than store manager .thanks guys. 
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: 80377494 on 22-02-20, 04:31PM
The parts of the policy I posted are from this months updated  Holiday Policy. So I think your manager is either ignorant of the policy or lying. If you log onto Colleague Help, you'll find it there. 
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: forrestgimp on 22-02-20, 06:31PM
Quote from: Pathfinder on 22-02-20, 01:26PM
Hi yes I am fully aware of the policy ...yet my store manager has said its changed ...(has has yet to show new policy )
But you know the staff are last to find out if the policy has changed ....I knew I'd get more knowledge from this site than store manager .thanks guys.

Ask him to show you in print where its changed, he wont be able to.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 23-02-20, 09:13AM
Same scenario when the SM & PM had each pre July 2005 in the office for a little chat about not being till trained. A couple meekly agreed to their persuasion, others said no, to which the SM insisted a new policy was to be introduced that everyone be till trained. He was told to get back to them when the policy was in force.

I'm amazed the SM is discussing Christmas working so early, obviously intent on an acceptance by the time it comes round? Him knowingly making these false statements should be grievanced on T&C 's, which then goes out of his hands to the area PM.

Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: penguin on 23-02-20, 11:37AM
SM in a lot of stores got the riot act read to them a few weeks ago due to how short staffed a lot of shops got left over Boxing Day and  new year, so are now running around like headless chickens trying to sort 2020 Christmas out. Still that is no excuse to force or bully staff into working when they are contractually allowed to take days off.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lackofinterest on 23-02-20, 09:41PM
if everybody refused to work boxing day and new years day (which they can) then the greedy bar stewards wouldn't be able to open!!! >:D
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 23-02-20, 11:23PM
I think this may be the new black come Christmas...trade was seriously down, the footfall wasn't there. A lot of public opinion was against stores opening Boxing Day and New Year's Day just gone, a shifting trend towards keeping it special for family time, certain firms were proudly advertising the fact that they would be closed to enable their staff a decent break, and their sales would be the traditional January sales commencing January 2nd.

The emphasis is now on mental health and wellbeing, the trend appears to be moving into the old traditional festivities. Christmas markets, fresh produce, not large pre packed, from God knows where meat, fruit and veg, and a shed load of nostalgia thrown in for good measure.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: forrestgimp on 24-02-20, 11:20AM
Dont bank on it, profits before people.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 24-02-20, 01:37PM
 Probably, though the profit margins were tight last time, with shelves crammed full of 90% fresh reductions.

Jumping on the new trend bandwagon, could be good publicity if they put the right spin on it

T...the
E...ever
S...so
C...caring
O...organisation

8-) or something similar...best I could come up with straight off the cuff  :)
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: sammy on 24-02-20, 03:45PM
So handed in my holiday sheet today, was told straight away I’m not allowed Saturday 26th December off as tesco are moving the bank holiday is this correct?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: penguin on 24-02-20, 03:53PM
Quote from: lucgeo on 23-02-20, 11:23PM
I think this may be the new black come Christmas...trade was seriously down, the footfall wasn't there. A lot of public opinion was against stores opening Boxing Day and New Year's Day just gone, a shifting trend towards keeping it special for family time, certain firms were proudly advertising the fact that they would be closed to enable their staff a decent break, and their sales would be the traditional January sales commencing January 2nd.

The emphasis is now on mental health and wellbeing, the trend appears to be moving into the old traditional festivities. Christmas markets, fresh produce, not large pre packed, from God knows where meat, fruit and veg, and a shed load of nostalgia thrown in for good measure.



No way Tesco will shut all the stores on Boxing or New Years day, seen a post on the offical Tesco instagram a couple of years back about Christmas opening hours, a customer had commented why not shut Boxing day and New years day give the staff a break, Tesco replied back that the staff want to be in work on said days to ensure we are open and do not disappoint anyone who might run out anything over Christmas and New year.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 24-02-20, 04:03PM
My local store was closed both Boxing Day and New Year's Day, if they don't have the volunteer staff, they can't open!
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 24-02-20, 04:09PM
Sammy, are you days or nights? Is Saturday your contracted day? I know nights have an agreement every year for an option of nights working, but not days. Check with your rep, or the union to see if it is in fact correct, and agreed? Sometimes a Saturday B/H is moved to accommodate office workers, making the following Monday a B/H instead.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: sammy on 24-02-20, 06:12PM
I work on days and in store, yes Saturday is my contracted shift now being told I’m not allowed it off.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Morris999 on 24-02-20, 06:53PM
Your manager is talking s***
There has been no official communication that Tesco is moving Boxing Day from the Saturday to the Monday!
There was a communication sent to wages about automatically booking Christmas,Boxing and New Years Day in Hram last year for all colleagues to ensure scheduler/Bank holidays entitlement are accurate.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Rad on 24-02-20, 07:40PM
Boxing day is not moving from Saturday to Monday this year in Tesco.

Other non retail companies may move it.

In 2021 It will move from Sunday to Monday.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Paupers wage on 24-02-20, 08:49PM
Although Tesco keeping quiet Monday December 28th is an additional bank holiday this year as it’s over their 8 allowance I assume colleagues can take it as a days holiday, personal day or as unpaid day off if they wish.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Stitch on 24-04-20, 07:14PM
Quote from: Rad on 24-02-20, 07:40PM
Boxing day is not moving from Saturday to Monday this year in Tesco.

Other non retail companies may move it.

In 2021 It will move from Sunday to Monday.

So when it comes to next year would I be able to book the 26th off? As I view that as boxing day......
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Rad on 24-04-20, 08:30PM
Yes, what normally happens is all sunday contracted colleagues on the Sunday 26th have the option of BH, H, Unpaid etc
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Redshoes on 26-04-20, 08:41AM
Wages system has automatically booked the Christmas and New Year holidays off for the people who are contracted to work them.
Since a certain date if shifts for a bank holiday can't be filled you are expected to work but the big however is that this does not include Christmas and new year bank holiday.
My store is not planning for the bh to be moved. This is not the first time Christmas has fallen at a weekend and this is not the first time people have thought that the Boxing Day holiday will be moved because of the day of the week it falls on. So far it never has.
The night team decide how they take the bank holiday, it should be a vote but some stores are just told.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Rad on 26-04-20, 01:24PM
This year it wont be moved, next year it will.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 27-04-20, 05:32AM
Quote from: sammy on 24-02-20, 03:45PM
So handed in my holiday sheet today, was told straight away I’m not allowed Saturday 26th December off as tesco are moving the bank holiday is this correct?

so just to quote - " If you joined on or after 26th January 2009 and there are
insufficient volunteers to work on a bank holiday, you may
be required to work on up to five bank holidays (excluding
Internal, Holiday, Version 3.2, Page 8 of 10 â€" February 2020
Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Year’s Day) if you
are normally scheduled to work on the day the bank holiday
falls. "

So can't be flat out refused, has to be given an option with it of how you wanna do it, either holiday, unpaid, work a different day.

Also in response to the night thing - that barely happens... Never happened with our store, staff supposed to vote on it, managers always say "you guys picked this" it's like Nope, no one voted... so we just take it or work a bit extra then sick call it lol.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 27-04-20, 12:16PM
Read your contract, it clearly states words to the effect that no colleague( regardless of status/ contract) can be made to work Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Year's Day.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 27-04-20, 05:26PM
It depends, it does say unless stated in contract, (distribution don't really get the choice) but otherwise for stores its mainly managers and higher for forcibly working boxing day...may be the odd change but for the most part you are correct.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Mickymouse1962 on 26-05-20, 02:19PM
Union in discussions about what happens when you get back o your 2 week holiday abroad and have to have 2 weeks isolation
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Hammer10 on 26-05-20, 04:19PM
They should have to take it unpaid or change their plans I know many who have cancelled their hols .
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: arlo on 26-05-20, 04:39PM
But if holidays has been payed for and flights and hotel open for business you cant cancel it without being financially out of pocket ?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Hammer10 on 26-05-20, 05:32PM
Might be the case but is it fair on your colleagues you have extra time off unless it is taken as holiday which will help later in the year when no holidays will be taken.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: arlo on 26-05-20, 06:19PM
The government make the rules ,they are the one stating the 14 day quarantine, not my choice, prehaps they should pick up the cost
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Redshoes on 26-05-20, 07:39PM
When the government pick up the cost we pay for it via tax. I don't want to pay extra tax to fund people taking two weeks off after a holiday.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 26-05-20, 08:39PM
The travel companies will likely tell people to claim off their insurance if they can't go on holiday due to being unable to take a further two weeks isolation away from work.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: arlo on 27-05-20, 07:02PM
StandardHoliday insurances will not pay out on pandemics
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: NightAndDay on 27-05-20, 08:09PM
For me, (monday-friday 9-5.30pm office drone)  Monday 28th December is the substitute bank holiday for boxing day and I get it off, Tesco is different because they're a 24/7 business with every day being a work day and Saturday and Sunday not being sacred, the 26th will still be boxing day and you should receive the premiums if you work it but you will not have it paid if you choose to have it off as non-holiday.

Monday 28th December is the substitute bank holiday for boxing day, so you will also receive the bank holiday premiums for that if you work it or have it taken off as a paid bank holiday if you decide to have it off, however, I think the rule about not having to work on Boxing day, New years day or xmas day is if the work day falls on those days specifically, not on a substitute bank holiday, so you would have to come in if contracted or if they don't have the resources.

The bank holiday allocations should be at least 8 pro rata'd (8 main bank holidays in a year not including specific Scottish, Welsh, Irish or English ones celebrated in those regions only) bank holidays can't fall on a Saturday or a Sunday hence the substitution.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: grim up north on 27-05-20, 08:53PM
I've noticed a lot of 'I want extra time off and I want paying for it' across many platforms
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: arlo on 28-05-20, 04:18AM
Quote from: grim up north on 27-05-20, 08:53PM
I've noticed a lot of 'I want extra time off and I want paying for it' across many platforms

Not in my case ,why should I walk away from a fully paid holiday with no chance of any money back
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 28-05-20, 09:04AM
 8-) rightly so...you were off for a reason...not on a 12 week jolly  ???
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: arlo on 28-05-20, 09:52AM
Two weeks full sick pay will be payed if it can be proved holiday was booked before pandemic started ,right decision in my opinion ,well done tesco
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Villager No.6 on 28-05-20, 09:59AM
Re: Christmas; Boxing Day and Bank Holidays. My normal contracted working week as a delivery driver includes Friday; Saturday and Monday, when booking my 20/21 holidays I was told I’d have 3 days fewer to book than my entitlement as they’d been allocated for the 25th; 26th and 28th.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Phoneshopguy on 28-05-20, 12:56PM
.com don't work over that period hence saving holiday days for then.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Cinderella on 06-06-20, 07:18AM
Quote from: Villager No.6 on 28-05-20, 09:59AM
Re: Christmas; Boxing Day and Bank Holidays. My normal contracted working week as a delivery driver includes Friday; Saturday and Monday, when booking my 20/21 holidays I was told I’d have 3 days fewer to book than my entitlement as they’d been allocated for the 25th; 26th and 28th.

Same happens to me - Christmas Day and Easter for example, always take up two of my holiday allowance. If I really wanted to work those days though, they would let me go in and find me work in another department that is open. For instance, filling the shelves.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Rad on 09-06-20, 09:06PM
Regards to the booked holidays, if you booked before 8th May you can be coded as sick during quarantine on return.  If booked after, you use holidays, lifestyle break, unpaid etc.  Although I think the quarantine will be scrapped for european destinations at some point.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: hornimans135 on 04-09-20, 01:44PM
Hi all,
In January I went into hospital for an operation and was off sick until March when I then went into shielding until the until the beginning of August when I returned to work.
Whilst of sick in March I had been 3 days holiday booked from w/c 9th March which I haven’t had.
Had spoke to several managers whilst I was away, so they do know about this.
I have submitted forms to wages, wage slip for the end of the year, which clearly shows that I’m owed the 3 days and  bottom of holiday form was agreed and signed.
I haven’t heard anything back, what should I do now?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: 80377494 on 04-09-20, 03:31PM
Long Term Sickness Absence

If you are on long term sickness absence at the end of the holiday year (31st March) you may be able to have some of your remaining holiday paid up to you. The maximum holiday you can have paid up is 4 weeks (20 days pro-rata) and this is only if you have not taken at least 4 weeks (20 days pro-rata) holiday over the course of the holiday year.
If you have taken at least 4 weeks (20 days pro-rata) holiday you will not be able to have any outstanding holiday paid up to you, and will lose any outstanding holidays left in your holiday balance on 31st March. So, you should still book and take your holiday even whilst you are off sick.
For example: A colleague has 6 weeks (30 days pro-rata) combined holiday and bank holiday entitlement. They have taken 3 weeks (15 days pro-rata) holiday over the course of the year. On 31st March, 1 week (5 days pro-rata) will be paid up to the colleague (4 weeks â€" 1 week = 3 weeks or 20 days â€" 15 days = 5 days) but the other 2 weeks (10 days pro-rata) will be lost.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: barafear on 04-09-20, 04:30PM
80377494>

I'd be very surprised if this is the policy of Tesco.......the bit about:


If you're on long term sick pay you should book your holidays as normal!?

If, for example, I was off for a year (let's say Apr 1st - 31st March inclusive), during that year I would "earn holiday entitlement" but would be unable to take holiday - therefore, I would expect my holiday entitlement to carry forward to the following year when I would then have "two years" entitlement to take.

Not overly sure about the BH entitlement - but at the very least, my contractual holiday allowance -even if it was 30 days - would carry forward.

Cannot see how Tesco could not follow this?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Nomad on 04-09-20, 04:46PM
https://www.acas.org.uk/checking-sick-pay/sick-pay-and-holiday-pay (https://www.acas.org.uk/checking-sick-pay/sick-pay-and-holiday-pay)

QuoteIf someone has not been able to use their holiday because they’ve been on long-term sick leave, they can carry it over.

Employees on long-term sick leave can carry over 4 weeks’ unused holiday, unless the employer allows more to be carried over. This holiday must be used within 18 months from the date it’s carried over.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: 80377494 on 04-09-20, 06:30PM
The information is in the updated Holiday Policy February 2020.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: 80377494 on 04-09-20, 06:33PM
If you haven't taken your 4 weeks pro rata it is usually paid out. Wages clerks receive a brief and send forms to Payroll to pay up the shortfall. When Work and Pay launches the rumour is that it will be possible to carry holidays over. Unfortunately like most of things the company promises I am in no doubt it will be a while before the new system works as expected.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Nomad on 04-09-20, 07:39PM
You can refuse the pay out and insist on taking the paid holidays that you have missed.  The law looks on the holidays as being essential for you mental and physical well being.  Check with ACAS.

All work (or sickness) makes Jack or Jill a dull person.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: viperex on 14-10-20, 06:43AM
Has anyone else heard what they will be introducing soon, instead of days off it will be hours off  ?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: T.C.1 on 14-10-20, 08:00AM
Yep see your manager this should have already be explained.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: viperex on 14-10-20, 08:32AM
Well she doesn't exactly know either, have asked her twice she says she has had no briefing herself  >:( >:( .  Basically good or bad as it has not been explained to me at all.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: 80377494 on 14-10-20, 01:46PM
viperex

Holidays are changing over to hours rather than days when Work and Pay launches. Some stores/groups are going live 22 October but the rest will be rolled out next year. My store launches in April. So you will probably be briefed properly nearer the time.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Dooby27 on 14-10-20, 02:40PM
Can anyone upload the holiday policy on here please.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Eb2b on 14-10-20, 04:24PM
I suspect tesco started the change from number of days to hours during the last pay review, Under the "you get paid the average hours you have done over the last x number of weeks" rather than just you contracted hours. So will be interesting to see if that still applies
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 14-10-20, 04:33PM
In terms of Work & Pay, yes, holidays and bank holidays are being converted into hours.

We're going live soon with W&P in our store and this Friday will be the last time we'll use the old website for accessing our pay slips.

Anyone migrating to W&P soon has six months (January, sometime) to access P60s and wage slips on the old set up.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: notsofunny on 14-10-20, 08:02PM
 I suspect that they are moving from days to hours since many staff do some days that are longer than others and some have been booking the longer days as days off holidays ,,  someone I know used to book the 7 hour shift as holiday but never the 3 hour shift , so from now on it will be hours taken not days , what will be fun is if someone books 2 hours each shift and then comes in to do the other hours or if everyone did that ,, I do think this could help out those that just need a few hours off one day rather than taking a whole day off ,
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 14-10-20, 11:05PM
It will be fairer for part time colleagues, definitely, and in some ways if you need to start work later one day (e.g. waiting for a delivery) at least you aren't wasting a whole day now.

Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Villager No.6 on 15-10-20, 09:39AM
I’d be very surprised if we’ll be allowed to book specific hours off like in your example of waiting for a delivery.
Can anyone tell me if currently you’re working three 7hr and one 3hr shifts, when booking a short shift eg 3hrs and consequently using a full day of holiday allowance, is your holiday pay for that day 3hrs or actually a full day’s (7hr)?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 15-10-20, 11:45AM
Your holiday would be paid for the contracted day's hours....if Tuesday is a 3 hour shift, and you book Tuesday off, it's 3 hour holiday pay...your current allocated holiday allowance is days, not hours.

It's the same now is isn't it? You can say you have a delivery, appointment etc...and advise you'll be in at a later agreed time...you can offer to finish later that day, take as unpaid, work back the time or do a shift swap.

I would be very suprised if you could book part hours of your shift as holiday...you would have the scenario that @ notsofunny has highlighted.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: sammy on 15-10-20, 04:26PM
Hi has the way holiday come on our payslips changed, l only work 2 days a week Saturday and Sunday , last month I had pay weekend off, and this month I’ve had last weekend off , but I’ve had 3 days taken off me. Normally last month holiday would of come off this months, and the 2 days off for this month would of next month being after the cut off , but I’ve had 3 days taken off, I’ve worked for Tesco for over 10 years this has never happened before thanks
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: 80377494 on 15-10-20, 07:39PM
Sammy

Holiday payments for September pay would be FRIDAY 14 AUGUST 2020 â€" THURSDAY 10 SEPTEMBER 2020
Holiday payments for this month would be FRIDAY 11 SEPTEMBER 2020 â€" THURSDAY 08 OCTOBER 2020
Holiday payments for November will be FRIDAY 09 OCTOBER 2020 â€" THURSDAY 05 NOVEMBER 2020

Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: sammy on 15-10-20, 09:33PM
Ok thank you. So I’m that case they’ve taken an extra days holiday off me. Very odd as I always clock in and out thank you for your help
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lackofinterest on 15-10-20, 10:25PM
as is the norm. i find out something new on here before it's mentioned by the company. why hasn't this been mentioned at all in our store??
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Featherwhite on 16-10-20, 04:42PM
Hi Can anybody help me please.
Does anybody know when the booking window opens to book holiday for the year 2021 and also the following year.
Also how long has a manager got to authorise your request.
I know at one point if they hadn't returned your form within 7 days you automatically got the holiday dates that you requested.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Sarah106 on 16-10-20, 05:33PM
The holiday window opened in April for the April 2021 year bookings so is already open . Will open next April for the year 2022 onward.  Not sure about how long they have to get back to you it was 7 days but could have changed
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Featherwhite on 16-10-20, 06:26PM
Thanks I put in a form in March 2020 to book for 2021 and have still not had it back, have been told it will be done later this year. Other staff who put their forms in at same time have had them authorised  just wondered where I stood... thanks
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Redshoes on 17-10-20, 06:58AM
Window opened in April. Requests not accepted before April without a very good reason.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lucgeo on 17-10-20, 08:04AM
Have the other people had their holidays authorised by the same manager? If so, then that manager is acting unfairly by making you wait for authorisation, therefore you should speak to the manager and ask why you are being made to wait, as you are being treated unfairly.
If different manager(s) have authorised their requests, then again, you can state that you are not being treated fairly, especially if the holiday hours % is based across the store.

@Redshoes
What is the "good reason" being given for NOT accepting holiday requests before April ???  It used to be appreciated by managers as the sooner the better, enabling them to manage their holiday diaries.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: NightAndDay on 17-10-20, 08:35AM
It will be friends of managers first and then the filth afterwards, everyone knows the pecking order, if you're not up the managers rear end and your nose ain't brown then you're left with the scraps.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Munchkin on 17-10-20, 06:33PM
The widow for your holiday request is open and if holiday is not refused or authorised within 7 days of handing to your manager you can take the holiday you requested
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Redshoes on 18-10-20, 06:52AM
It should all be about everyone being treated he same. If people start to hand in early it has to be open to all and not just the select few. There is a set date it starts so that it's clear to everyone and it's then first come first served. If you don't have a clear start date it can't be seen as being fair and equal for all.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: confused123 on 04-01-21, 05:59PM
Trying to post but can not figure out how - Sorry for Hijacking your post!!

Can someone shed a light on how the holiday system works? I am contracted to 2 days but I work 5 days every week - Will I accrue more holidays for working the overtime every week or does my accrued holidays stay the same?


One month my payslip stated I was entitled to 4 days holiday and now it states 5.

Super confused, hah!
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: oldfashionedplayer on 04-01-21, 06:09PM
no your holidays are based on your contracted days, so everyone gets 6 weeks + 1 personal day regardless of how many days they work overtime. so for contracted 2 you'll get 12 + 1 personal day total 13.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: confused123 on 04-01-21, 06:26PM
So as it stands I work full time but only contracted to 2 of those days so my overtime will not increase my days holiday?

That seems very unfair. Surely if I am consistently working 5 days a week then my holiday days should be reflected in this?  :question:
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Siwel123 on 04-01-21, 06:30PM
You won't be given any extra holiday days, as you're only required to work 2 days a week, you choose to work five.
However holiday pay is calculated as a percentage of your earnings over the last 12 weeks, so if you book a week's holiday, you will be paid an average of your last 12 weeks, so you won't lose out on money.

This means that if you take a week off, you will be receiving the same pay, not just the pay for your 2 contracted days.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: confused123 on 04-01-21, 06:34PM
Ahhhhhhh.... That makes sense!

The holiday form had me baffled, haha!

Thank you ever so much for explaining :)  :)
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: 80377494 on 04-01-21, 07:50PM
Holiday pay is calculated over 52 weeks now. I've copied the relevant section from the Holiday Policy below:

3. How is my holiday and bank holiday paid?
Your holiday pay will be paid either at your average earnings or your contractual pay whichever is the highest. Your average earnings are based on the pay you receive in the 12 weeks before your holiday. From 1st April 2020 your average earnings will be based on the pay you receive over a rolling 52 week period.
All variable pay you receive such as overtime, premiums, or call-out pay, will be included in your average holiday pay. Any one-off payments will not be included.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Siwel123 on 04-01-21, 10:39PM
Even better then, apologies for not having the up to date info, thank you.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: notsofunny on 05-01-21, 04:03AM

Wonder if anyone could say what happens to holidays not taken this year ,

I have a friend that has been in lockdown on and off since This Covid started  he is classed as Clinically extremely vulnerable  he did not have any holidays booked and at the rate its going he will still have holidays to take before the end of this march, this is after the bank holiday days and 2 odd days they are taking every so often are taken out ,, Have Tesco said if that will be carried over into next year ?

Also have A friend that had holidays booked and she was asked to cancel them 3 times and she cant get time off and will have holidays still to take by the end of march , will she be able to carry the holidays over ?

Did read some place that they are going to allow these holidays to be carried over but cant find it any place ,

Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Morris999 on 05-01-21, 10:30AM
Anything up to the legal requirement can be carried over into next year, however any holidays over this due to long service will be lost if not taken.

Your friend who has been asked to cancel should have a word with their manager or store manager as there should be no reason why they cannot take them before the end of March.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: chris9997 on 05-01-21, 05:26PM
They allowed holidays to be carried over from last year (2019-20) , but currently i dont think there is any obligation to carry them over again except in circumstances involving some sick periods.
I would say that Managers asking staff to cancel holidays is just Moving the problem to a later date.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: NightAndDay on 05-01-21, 05:49PM
I would be very careful about managers asking to cancel holidays booked between now and the end of March, be very cautious about promises to carry it over into the new tax year, there is no oversight in managers carrying out this obligation.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Nomad on 05-01-21, 07:43PM
Any promise of any nature involving holidays should be requested and received in writing.

A decision by the courts ruled that any statutory holidays not able to be taken due to ill health can be carried forward to the following year.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: happyharry on 06-01-21, 06:02PM
Setting people on for 2 days a week (or anything under full time) is Tescos way of saving money - they want and know you probably want more hours, but won't have to give or pay you for any more holidays than your contracted hours reflect. You could work as many hours a year as a full timer (many do) but receive far fewer holidays.
As yet the holiday entitlement left for the year isn't showing on my wage slip, which incidentally will be in hours and not days now so my manager says. Some people will be left with odd hours to take as holiday that don't equate to full or half days - how ridiculous. Why didn't Tesco wait for the new leave year to start before implementing this system?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Morris999 on 06-01-21, 06:16PM
It’s just not Tesco though is it, it’s all of retail, hospitality and the entertainment sector that do this, all championed by the last Labour government!
As for time off, whether you work 1 or 5 days per week you get the same amount of time off per year( before long service).

As for the holiday situation for the rest of the year I fully agree it should have waited till next holiday year, however I can see why Tesco have done it when they did.
And to be honest those who will be most affected by this, will be those that only ever book off their longest contracted shift.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: happyharry on 06-01-21, 06:52PM
As a proportion you get the same amount of time off, but if you do 5 days a week and are only contracted to 2, you won't get the same amount of holiday as someone contracted to 5. At the moment Tesco are asking people to work those hours consistently.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Morris999 on 06-01-21, 07:02PM
If you book your 2 days off Tesco cannot make you work the rest of the week.
They can ask but cannot force it.
You’ve the same rights to the full 7 days off as to someone who works 5 days a week.
This is clearly a manager issue in your store(and others before the reply’s come).
I know the part-time flex’s on my department get at least the full 7 days off.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Redshoes on 07-01-21, 07:25AM
You are contracted for two days, you book two days off you get a week.
You are contracted for five days, you book five days off you get a week.
You do regular overtime and you go on holiday you get more than two days pay.

You should not be asked to work overtime during your holiday. If you request to do so you can but not during every holiday, you need time out and should not be disturbed or pressured into working.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: happyharry on 07-01-21, 09:27AM
You are both missing my point. New starters are given minimum hours and most need extra to make a living wage - they have to do those extra shifts to survive. In our department the extra hours are constantly there, in fact they struggle to get people to cover them all, so why not give them those shifts in the first place? We now have such a high turnover of staff, because once someone finds 'full time' employment they leave. I think this was always going to happen, but wonder what the cost to Tesco really is considering the amount of training etc that is now constantly needed?
Of course it's up to the individual whether they do the overtime or not, I understand that, but if the hours are always there then let them have them with the holiday entitlement to match. Managers have told new starters that they will be able to work 5 days a week even though they're only contracted to 2, surely that's not right  - how would you feel about working all those shifts but not receiving all the benefits? This has been an issue in our department for some time, in fact even the hours originally advertised for new starters are rarely the ones they end up with. People believe that once they start they'll be able to pick up more 'permanent' hours as time goes by - it's not happening.
As more full time staff leave, they are being replaced by part timers who will hopefully work additional hours (most do) for less holiday benefits.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: NightAndDay on 07-01-21, 12:01PM
It's a balancing act, there once was a time when full time employees were more common and staff morale was higher, the change in normality started towards the end of the Clarke era and continued to get worse under Lewis's leadership, the main reason why the business prefers to have say someone on a 22.5 hour a week contract and another on 15 rather than a full timer on a 36.5 hour a week contract is redundancy (in both the literal and business definition of the word).

For example, if a store comprised mainly of full timers with a few part timers here and there, the stores wage budget would be used on fewer total member of staff, fewer staff means if a full timer goes off sick or goes on holiday, it's harder to cover them. Also a full timer would have greater employment rights and incurred costs than a part timer, especially in a redundancy situation.

That was the thinking behind this shift away from having full time employees, but as you said, they were too short sighted to consider that there are other opportunities outside of Tesco as well as lower hours meaning less loyalty and committment. It's a balancing act they got wrong, the results are higher staff turnover (as people will leave for greener pastures, that's just basic economics) and as a result less experienced staff, leading to more errors and work being done at a slower pace meaning more labour hours required.

Essentially it's a balancing act, part timers are advantageous to business operations, but if you try give too few hours you lose the committment, loyalty, experience and eventually the staff.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Totot on 07-01-21, 12:04PM
Because a cheap financial strategy, to save a bit of money.
For example someone with 5 days contracted hours with 7 hours a day and 29 days total holidays entitlement.
£ 9.30 x 7 = 65.1 a day
65.1 x 5 = 325.5 a week.
325.5 x 4 = 1302 per pay day
1302 x 13 = 16.926 per year.
Holiday 29 x (7 x 9.30) =1.887,9
Total expenditure for tesco for this person per year = 18.813,9
Per pay day = 18.813,9 / 13 = 1447.22
Per week = 1447.22 / 4 = 361.8
Per day = 361.8 / 5 = 72.3
Per hour = 72.3 / 7 = £ 10.33

Not mention if someone go off sick etc. With lower holiday entitlement, the cost per hour will be less.
I think this kind of thing need to be solve in government level, to make a proper law that not allowed company to do this trick or any outsourching contract that will make employee lost their right, but to which side the government will take side or even neutral, that will be the question. Supposed to be those union job, but as we all know.

Meanwhile easy mathematical style of management will still continue to be used because it is easy and give straight impact to financial statement, regardless the negative side.

Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Morris999 on 07-01-21, 12:11PM
We are not missing the point about full-time vs part-time at all.
It's an argument that's been had for years and is never going to go away.
Tesco like many other businesses have decided the part-time flexi route benefits them more than lots of full-time unflexible colleagues.

However I'm still failing to see what holiday benefits you keep mentioning that part-time colleagues don't get compared to a full-time colleague.
They both get the same time away from work, and the part-time colleagues will still get paid for overtime they would have worked if not on holiday too.
And I'd hazard a guess it costs more to have a part-time flexi who does lots of overtime each week off than a full-time colleague who doesn't.

The only thing I can think of is long service awards for holidays, which on the face of it it will seem that full-timers get more holidays, but that is only because they would have worked longer for Tesco.
These same long service awards for holidays are also there for part-time colleagues if they do the years at Tesco.
5,10 and 15 years.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: happyharry on 07-01-21, 05:17PM
Quote from: Morris999 on 07-01-21, 12:11PM
'However I'm still failing to see what holiday benefits you keep mentioning that part-time colleagues don't get compared to a full-time colleague.'
I think I've already explained that as simply as I can.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: newguy20 on 08-01-21, 05:06PM
If you change departments after submitting holiday requests are they still honoured? If the new department is 'fully booked' the days you want off, you're still entitled to your agreed time and they have to find cover, right?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: NightAndDay on 08-01-21, 05:12PM
Yes, once leave is authorised, that is that. We've had it before in Express where people transferred, their holidays have to be honoured.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: blueberet on 26-04-21, 04:10PM
Will Mon 27th of December this year be treated as the Boxing day bank holiday, i.e. I can't be forced to work it if I don't want to?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: expressman77 on 26-04-21, 10:36PM
Well  if you want to be off you need to request it like all holidays
normal or bank holiday  ones
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: lackofinterest on 26-04-21, 11:18PM
everybody is entitled to it so no they can't make you work it. just tell them you won't be in
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Phoneshopguy on 27-04-21, 08:13AM
Just a quick on on holidays -

Those of us who weren't able to take all our holidays due to long term sickness and covid...

Is it this pay package we will get the unused holiday pay?

Thanks
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: horatiocain on 29-04-21, 11:20AM
Unused holiday is rolled over if you're on long term sick.

However only the statutory portion will be rolled over, nothing more, your reps should know this.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Phoneshopguy on 29-04-21, 12:40PM
lol... my group pm told me id be paid it in my wage... which didnt happen.

Guess whos getting a email
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: grim up north on 29-04-21, 03:04PM
Shouldnt people who were shielding/lifestyle break have used holidays anyway?
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: Redshoes on 01-05-21, 07:54AM
A form is sent off by store and all the store can then do is to see the date it has been processed. If it was not processed in time for this pay it will go into the next pay. The form can't be done in store until the end of the holiday year has been reached.
Title: Re: Holiday
Post by: JJH on 02-05-21, 07:57PM
Quote from: grim up north on 29-04-21, 03:04PM
Shouldnt people who were shielding/lifestyle break have used holidays anyway?

Correct