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Who do they actually poll? Never once been asked for my opinion on where pay negotiations should go..

For me the pay rise is good, I will be able to give up OT to make up money. I've been with the company 26 years and as a team support I was getting approx £16 an hour back in the day . But Sunday is a normal workday now , things change!!!
Everyone moaning about paying bills, it's the government's fault we are so skint , Tesco are not going to make you rich . Why does everyone stay in a job they hate and feel like they are just a number? There plenty of jobs out there so just move on

Quote from: londoner83 on 06-03-24, 06:08PMWho do they actually poll? Never once been asked for my opinion on where pay negotiations should go..

exatly it's the one union rep who thinks usdaw do a amazing job when they do not worked for the company over 20years and never not once whilst being a union member did I find out about pay negotiations untill after it was all agreed and like I said in a previous post lady on phone in usdaw offices lied when she said all union members were balloted and agreed to lose there bonus to compensate a better payrise which was a lie even the union reps in my store had no idea about it ... you have a few paid up members who agree on Tesco staffs behalf and that's the staffs voice in said polls it's complete garbage usdaw are not worth paying into when they offer such little help to staff

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Quote from: londoner83 on 06-03-24, 06:08PMWho do they actually poll? Never once been asked for my opinion on where pay negotiations should go..

exatly it's the one union rep who thinks usdaw do a amazing job when they do not worked for the company over 20years and never not once whilst being a union member did I find out about pay negotiations untill after it was all agreed and like I said in a previous post lady on phone in usdaw offices lied when she said all union members were balloted and agreed to lose there bonus to compensate a better payrise which was a lie even the union reps in my store had no idea about it ... you have a few paid up members who agree on Tesco staffs behalf and that's the staffs voice in said polls it's complete garbage usdaw are not worth paying into when they offer such little help to staff

then thats something to take up with the area organiser, you can also put the forum slips into your forums as well ( then you just need the store manager not to be corrupt and actually send it to store director forums

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Quote from: londoner83 on 06-03-24, 06:08PMWho do they actually poll? Never once been asked for my opinion on where pay negotiations should go..

exatly it's the one union rep who thinks usdaw do a amazing job when they do not worked for the company over 20years and never not once whilst being a union member did I find out about pay negotiations untill after it was all agreed and like I said in a previous post lady on phone in usdaw offices lied when she said all union members were balloted and agreed to lose there bonus to compensate a better payrise which was a lie even the union reps in my store had no idea about it ... you have a few paid up members who agree on Tesco staffs behalf and that's the staffs voice in said polls it's complete garbage usdaw are not worth paying into when they offer such little help to staff

TBF reps only find out 2 hours before everyone else does, there's no inside information unless your on the pay negotiation team. And everyone on the pay forum is elected by usdaw members they are just tesco colleagues from different areas of the business, i agree there needs to be more transparency.

Quote from: Horrendous123 on 06-03-24, 12:40PMIn reply to night premium for managers, I can confirm I know the night managers are getting an extra £1000 night premium at our store and the lead manager on nights more. They've told me personally. No reason to lie. The night premium is for unsocial hours working not the difficulty of job. Therefore as inflation and hourly pay increase the value put on working nights is decreased. The only reason I continue to do nights is to avoid as many customers as possible certainly not the night pay. Was a perk 10 years ago not anymore.

Yeah, my night manager has also confirmed they will be getting £1000 a year extra night premium and thinks it's totally unfair that GA's haven't received an increase. He told us about his increase before the pay review so naturally many of us were expecting an increase because "they wouldn't give to the managers but not to us would they"...well yes they did, thats exactly what they did....we are supposed to be one team they keep telling us, but this has driven a wedge into that, and caused division and a sour taste in our mouths.

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Quote from: londoner83 on 06-03-24, 06:08PMWho do they actually poll? Never once been asked for my opinion on where pay negotiations should go..

exatly it's the one union rep who thinks usdaw do a amazing job when they do not worked for the company over 20years and never not once whilst being a union member did I find out about pay negotiations untill after it was all agreed and like I said in a previous post lady on phone in usdaw offices lied when she said all union members were balloted and agreed to lose there bonus to compensate a better payrise which was a lie even the union reps in my store had no idea about it ... you have a few paid up members who agree on Tesco staffs behalf and that's the staffs voice in said polls it's complete garbage usdaw are not worth paying into when they offer such little help to staff

TBF reps only find out 2 hours before everyone else does, there's no inside information unless your on the pay negotiation team. And everyone on the pay forum is elected by usdaw members they are just tesco colleagues from different areas of the business, i agree there needs to be more transparency. Il ask this simple question  can you honestly give 3 reasons why staff should continue to pay into the union per month ?? Last year or so was a huge eye opener for me and others in my store alone when near 60 members dropped out of union

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Quote from: Horrendous123 on 06-03-24, 12:40PMIn reply to night premium for managers, I can confirm I know the night managers are getting an extra £1000 night premium at our store and the lead manager on nights more. They've told me personally. No reason to lie. The night premium is for unsocial hours working not the difficulty of job. Therefore as inflation and hourly pay increase the value put on working nights is decreased. The only reason I continue to do nights is to avoid as many customers as possible certainly not the night pay. Was a perk 10 years ago not anymore.

Yeah, my night manager has also confirmed they will be getting £1000 a year extra night premium and thinks it's totally unfair that GA's haven't received an increase. He told us about his increase before the pay review so naturally many of us were expecting an increase because "they wouldn't give to the managers but not to us would they"...well yes they did, thats exactly what they did....we are supposed to be one team they keep telling us, but this has driven a wedge into that, and caused division and a sour taste in our mouths.

Become a manager then, you'll soon see how c**p a job it is.

The managers job on nights is a c**p job, the ones on days are stealing a living. Believe me I know because I have done both roles!

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Quote from: 1982dave on 06-03-24, 07:46PM

Quote from: londoner83 on 06-03-24, 06:08PMWho do they actually poll? Never once been asked for my opinion on where pay negotiations should go..

exatly it's the one union rep who thinks usdaw do a amazing job when they do not worked for the company over 20years and never not once whilst being a union member did I find out about pay negotiations untill after it was all agreed and like I said in a previous post lady on phone in usdaw offices lied when she said all union members were balloted and agreed to lose there bonus to compensate a better payrise which was a lie even the union reps in my store had no idea about it ... you have a few paid up members who agree on Tesco staffs behalf and that's the staffs voice in said polls it's complete garbage usdaw are not worth paying into when they offer such little help to staff

TBF reps only find out 2 hours before everyone else does, there's no inside information unless your on the pay negotiation team. And everyone on the pay forum is elected by usdaw members they are just tesco colleagues from different areas of the business, i agree there needs to be more transparency. Il ask this simple question  can you honestly give 3 reasons why staff should continue to pay into the union per month ?? Last year or so was a huge eye opener for me and others in my store alone when near 60 members dropped out of union

Pay isnt the number 1 reason people join a union anyway they join to be represented when there is problems at work. pay issues come out as number 2 in the priority list. i'd stay in just to have some one incase i need representation

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Quote from: Duff McKagan on 06-03-24, 08:22PM

Quote from: Horrendous123 on 06-03-24, 12:40PMIn reply to night premium for managers, I can confirm I know the night managers are getting an extra £1000 night premium at our store and the lead manager on nights more. They've told me personally. No reason to lie. The night premium is for unsocial hours working not the difficulty of job. Therefore as inflation and hourly pay increase the value put on working nights is decreased. The only reason I continue to do nights is to avoid as many customers as possible certainly not the night pay. Was a perk 10 years ago not anymore.

Yeah, my night manager has also confirmed they will be getting £1000 a year extra night premium and thinks it's totally unfair that GA's haven't received an increase. He told us about his increase before the pay review so naturally many of us were expecting an increase because "they wouldn't give to the managers but not to us would they"...well yes they did, thats exactly what they did....we are supposed to be one team they keep telling us, but this has driven a wedge into that, and caused division and a sour taste in our mouths.

Become a manager then, you'll soon see how c**p a job it is.

Night premium is for the unsociable hours worked, not complexity or the responsibility of the job you do and is supposed to be equal for all people working those hours. I work the same number of night premium hours as my manager so should get the same amount of money, not £1000 a year less

Could that be a case for acas discrimination all because they are management does not give them the right to get more night premium.

Precisely, it has nothing to do with what job you do, how hard it is, how hard you work, or how much responsibility the job entails. If you work between the hours of midnight and 6am you get a premium for those hours and that premium should be equal across the board. If a full time night manager gets £1000 extra night premium then all full time night staff should get £1000 extra, then obviously if you work less hours during the night premium window, i.e you work 3 nights a week then you would naturally get less night premium in total but the hourly rate would still be equal.  It is quite blatant discrimination, its a two tier premium and thats not right.

The extra money is to attracted managers into the role full time, it's not an easy role to fill all the time.

With them letting managers go and now brining them back again they need to do
Something to fill the roles.

If a day manager does a nightshift for a night, they receive the same premium as a GA aswell

Quote from: Biscuit tin on 06-03-24, 12:20PMYou'll never get another increase in night premium now. They're just working you to the bone, hoping you'll quit so they don't have to fork out much redundancy when they get rid of night shifts.

quicker the better!!

Quote from: Davethebave on 07-03-24, 08:22AMThe extra money is to attracted managers into the role full time, it's not an easy role to fill all the time.

With them letting managers go and now brining them back again they need to do
Something to fill the roles.

If a day manager does a nightshift for a night, they receive the same premium as a GA aswell

Then offer them a better base salary, don't give them a bigger premium. Night premium should be an equal hourly rate for everyone working those hours.

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I've said it for years on here... the forum process as a means to negotiate our pay deal are both farcical and undemocratic.
The Union pass the buck to both shop stewards and membership alike by basically stating that it is not Usdaw's fault if certain items do not make it to the national forum to be negotiated by the pay team. It's a cop out. It's an insult to one's intelligence.

Furthermore the Union use the same rhetoric when stating that a move to a vote by all members on a pay deal would lead to weakening our position in gaining a "decent pay deal" due to what they forecast to being a "low turn out of votes". Basically accusing members of being apathetic. The irony! It is the Union that are apathetic... laying full responsibility on less than 50 members to vote on behalf of tens of thousands of members. Putin would be proud of this system.

Distribution have a vote on pay. Members (Usdaw or other trade unions) within other retailers have a vote on pay. They insult us. They are happy with the status quo as it relieves them of the very responsibilities that are expected of any trade union.

The Partnership Agreement continues to screw us all as it prevents members in having a right to vote on pay.

No doubt there may very well be conscientious individuals on the National Forum. But that's not the point. The point is that they vote on behalf of us all and that is not right no matter how Usdaw spin it.

The continuous erosion of all manner of premiums leave the rise in basic pay as meaningless. Yet they spin it as a success.

It's about time the Union have a long hard look at itself and this diabolical forum process as it's clearly screwing us over.

well said i could not have put it any better my self,

I dont know if its been mentioned here already, but does anybody know what the rate is for bank holiday working, and has it changed since our pay rise?

Quote from: watersedge on 07-03-24, 10:34AMI dont know if its been mentioned here already, but does anybody know what the rate is for bank holiday working, and has it changed since our pay rise?

As far as I am aware (I never work them, so I am not 100%), bank holidays follow Sunday premiums so they will be down to 10% also.

Quote from: Loki on 07-03-24, 10:14AMI've said it for years on here... the forum process as a means to negotiate our pay deal are both farcical and undemocratic.
The Union pass the buck to both shop stewards and membership alike by basically stating that it is not Usdaw's fault if certain items do not make it to the national forum to be negotiated by the pay team. It's a cop out. It's an insult to one's intelligence.

Furthermore the Union use the same rhetoric when stating that a move to a vote by all members on a pay deal would lead to weakening our position in gaining a "decent pay deal" due to what they forecast to being a "low turn out of votes". Basically accusing members of being apathetic. The irony! It is the Union that are apathetic... laying full responsibility on less than 50 members to vote on behalf of tens of thousands of members. Putin would be proud of this system.

Distribution have a vote on pay. Members (Usdaw or other trade unions) within other retailers have a vote on pay. They insult us. They are happy with the status quo as it relieves them of the very responsibilities that are expected of any trade union.

The Partnership Agreement continues to screw us all as it prevents members in having a right to vote on pay.

No doubt there may very well be conscientious individuals on the National Forum. But that's not the point. The point is that they vote on behalf of us all and that is not right no matter how Usdaw spin it.

The continuous erosion of all manner of premiums leave the rise in basic pay as meaningless. Yet they spin it as a success.

It's about time the Union have a long hard look at itself and this diabolical forum process as it's clearly screwing us over.

pretty much what i told them in the briefing.

I've said it before, but if any of you feel that strongly about the partnership agreement, and are at the end of your tether, why not pay the Usdaw President a visit in person? In the last union booklet it told you which store she works in, her job role and had a photo of her. If you approach in a non threatening manner and ask for a few minutes of her time perhaps it might get things to change? Then you can report back here how you got on

just been on our tesco help site,Shop colleagues who are employed to work only on a Sunday cannot opt out, instead they would need to either find an alternative position without a Sunday contract or resign from their position at Tesco. but it does not say any thing about if you work the night shift and one of my days happens to be on sunday. any info would be of help thank you.

In theory, there is a min number of hours to which you can be contracted. If you didn't really "need" the money, you could just be on zero hours contract, never do any "overtime" but still keep the discount card and build up service - so get the gift cards that come with 15/25/40/50 years!! I'd be up for that (if I didn't need the wages!)