im off work for two weeks because my asthma is not great and I've been put on two weeks of steroid tablets. My concern is one of the two inhalers I have to take daily is a white inhaler that is a steroid and is on the list on the asthma website as a high-risk category, and together with this and the steroid tablets, I'm considered more vulnerable to Corona Symptoms PLUS now I'm told because I recently had the annual flu jab that again makes me more vulnerable. |But my doctor says if I don't get any letter from the NHS then I'm ok to return to work after two weeks. The 111 services didn't even think I should isolate for these two weeks until I told them I worked in retail and they changed their minds when I explained I couldn't social distance from customers at that time (near on impossible with panic buyers!). I'm worried that I'm getting conflicting info from all directions and not sure to isolate for two weeks or tell Tesco it will be longer. If I have no letter that means I have to go back and put myself at risk again? I have no symptoms of the actual Virus but just can't find out where I stand regards my health. Can anyone advise on here?
ps stay safe all xx
You should not be at work https://colleague-help.ourtesco.com/hc/en-us/articles/360041074552-Coronavirus-People-support-documents
Quote from: Freebird123 on 29-03-20, 03:09PM
im off work for two weeks because my asthma is not great and I've been put on two weeks of steroid tablets. My concern is one of the two inhalers I have to take daily is a white inhaler that is a steroid and is on the list on the asthma website as a high-risk category, and together with this and the steroid tablets, I'm considered more vulnerable to Corona Symptoms PLUS now I'm told because I recently had the annual flu jab that again makes me more vulnerable. |But my doctor says if I don't get any letter from the NHS then I'm ok to return to work after two weeks. The 111 services didn't even think I should isolate for these two weeks until I told them I worked in retail and they changed their minds when I explained I couldn't social distance from customers at that time (near on impossible with panic buyers!). I'm worried that I'm getting conflicting info from all directions and not sure to isolate for two weeks or tell Tesco it will be longer. If I have no letter that means I have to go back and put myself at risk again? I have no symptoms of the actual Virus but just can't find out where I stand regards my health. Can anyone advise on here?
ps stay safe all xx
I say you should be off for the 12 weeks paid absence from what you say.
Look at the guidence for vulnerable and extremely vulnerable people in the link mollymoomoo posted.
You fall in
Under 70 and receives a flu jab on medical grounds for your Asthma.
Oh and your doctor is wrong letters are for the extremely vulnerable not the high risk vulnerable and shouldnt say you should be at work.
If you can get a doctors note to prove you’ve had the flu jab this last year
Have been hospitalised
Or are on their list of steroids
You can be off.
But if you don’t .. like me ... you can’t take the 12 weeks ... which I think is a p-take ... asthma is asthma ... government says if you are “INSTRUCTED†to take it you should qualify ... tesco changing things to suit them yet again.
Quote from: Jonathan1970 on 29-03-20, 05:03PM
Quote from: Freebird123 on 29-03-20, 03:09PM
im off work for two weeks because my asthma is not great and I've been put on two weeks of steroid tablets. My concern is one of the two inhalers I have to take daily is a white inhaler that is a steroid and is on the list on the asthma website as a high-risk category, and together with this and the steroid tablets, I'm considered more vulnerable to Corona Symptoms PLUS now I'm told because I recently had the annual flu jab that again makes me more vulnerable. |But my doctor says if I don't get any letter from the NHS then I'm ok to return to work after two weeks. The 111 services didn't even think I should isolate for these two weeks until I told them I worked in retail and they changed their minds when I explained I couldn't social distance from customers at that time (near on impossible with panic buyers!). I'm worried that I'm getting conflicting info from all directions and not sure to isolate for two weeks or tell Tesco it will be longer. If I have no letter that means I have to go back and put myself at risk again? I have no symptoms of the actual Virus but just can't find out where I stand regards my health. Can anyone advise on here?
ps stay safe all xx
I say you should be off for the 12 weeks paid absence from what you say.
Look at the guidence for vulnerable and extremely vulnerable people in the link mollymoomoo posted.
You fall in
Under 70 and receives a flu jab on medical grounds for your Asthma.
Thanks for all your advise , I cant view that link soon our tesco because its saying my account is suspended! :'(
What about us that have kept working and Tesco going over all these weeks?
We have older or younger loved ones!
There are DEfINATLY p**s takers taking advantage of the situation!!! Hashtag ANGRY!
Anyone know how you stand if you are a carer. I've been told to take 12 weeks off got a letter because my son has leukemia. Obviously he can't take care of himself as he's a toddler. Tesco say I can take it but unpaid 🤷🏼â€â™€ï¸ but asda are paying carers the full 12 weeks off....
Quote from: Freebird123 on 29-03-20, 06:50PM
Thanks for all your advise , I cant view that link soon our tesco because its saying my account is suspended! :'(
Get your manager to log on in front of you then you can both see what it says. You should definitley NOT be at work!
Quote from: mieles on 29-03-20, 07:54PM
What about us that have kept working and Tesco going over all these weeks?
We have older or younger loved ones!
There are DEfINATLY p**s takers taking advantage of the situation!!! Hashtag ANGRY!
Who are you angry with? The vunerable or the p**stakers?
MIELES that comment better not be aimed at me! This is a hard enough time with EVERYONE having concerns about work, loved ones, old or young. I have genuine concerns , in my situation it's most definitely not a pisstake! Cant speak for others actions obviously
Quote from: Freebird123 on 29-03-20, 10:25PM
MIELES that comment better not be aimed at me! This is a hard enough time with EVERYONE having concerns about work, loved ones, old or young. I have genuine concerns , in my situation it's most definitely not a pisstake! Cant speak for others actions obviously
the "pisstaker" notion is built into the toxic tesco fabric, it's not new. I feel it even when I take my honest sickies that always take me a fraction over the allowance becasue I only work fri/sat so it's impossible for me to take one day off without going over. We have the allowance, we should be allowed to take it for any reason without inquisition. If anything, the allowance during a pandemic should be even more compassionate. I'm livid at this company right now, on top of general pandemic anxiety.
Totally agree xx
Quote from: Mrsholdentightly on 29-03-20, 08:25PM
Anyone know how you stand if you are a carer. I've been told to take 12 weeks off got a letter because my son has leukemia. Obviously he can't take care of himself as he's a toddler. Tesco say I can take it but unpaid 🤷🏼â€â™€ï¸ but asda are paying carers the full 12 weeks off....
I think carers can only take the 12 weeks as unpaid . My husband has "terminal" cancer and I am now off as a lifestyle break . My store has been amazing and would have told me if there were anyway they could have authorized it as paid . I know this due to other things they have done for my husband (also a colleague) and I that they didnt have to do .
I hope you get something sorted for your son , the fear of carrying this virus home to someone on cancer treatment is mentally crippling and I really feel for you .
Quote from: mieles on 29-03-20, 07:54PM
What about us that have kept working and Tesco going over all these weeks?
We have older or younger loved ones!
There are DEfINATLY p**s takers taking advantage of the situation!!! Hashtag ANGRY!
Dont you get 10% extra every hour you do and the pick of the products when they come into store,
I think stopping at home with a increased risk of illness is not a p**stake as you call it, its saving themselfs from illness.
Id rather be at work to be honest, but my medical illness says not to.
I really dont know how anyone can take advantage of been at higher risk of illness.
You have made yourself look to be a berk with your bad thinking of ill people in worrying times.
Agree with Jonathan 1970. I have a life long chronic disease which I would rather live without. I'm staying off not only to save myself but also to save the NHS from having to treat me. It's not a p...take, everyone that is off has a reason to be off, it's not something you can just conjure up. It's very sad to hear Colleagues turn on one another. Look on the brightside if there was a competition for a ventilator the young and normally fit would be at the top of the list and we poor chronically Ill wouldn't even get on the list.
Oh dear...worrying times bring out the best and the worst of people.
From what I understand, if your illness is not on a list classed as being vulnerable, you can't get paid leave for 12 weeks. You have to produce a medical letter of statement to qualify, no letter, no exemption.
Now I have been amazed by some in my old store...some of the usual shirkers are giving it their all, even the ones who do qualify for exemption are turning in, and the store is supporting them by keeping them working in areas behind the scenes as much as possible.
I seriously doubt anyone is doing it just for the 10% and first pick.
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Quote from: Freebird123 on 29-03-20, 10:25PM
MIELES that comment better not be aimed at me! This is a hard enough time with EVERYONE having concerns about work, loved ones, old or young. I have genuine concerns , in my situation it's most definitely not a pisstake! Cant speak for others actions obviously
the "pisstaker" notion is built into the toxic tesco fabric, it's not new. I feel it even when I take my honest sickies that always take me a fraction over the allowance becasue I only work fri/sat so it's impossible for me to take one day off without going over. We have the allowance, we should be allowed to take it for any reason without inquisition. If anything, the allowance during a pandemic should be even more compassionate. I'm livid at this company right now, on top of general pandemic anxiety.
Amen, the company stripey shirts will Aways try to bring absence from work down to percentages, even thru coronavirus... Shame on you tosserco! We all mistrust you, that is because you are historically draconian in your approach to sickness! Humans get sick, fact! show more concern to humanity and not your billions of profit, Deep down you know you are being w#nkers!.. and you are do don't you!?
I've just spoken to a doctor at my surgery who's told me that just because I've has the flu jab it doesnt make me a member of the vulnerable list . The steroid tablets I'm on are not working either hence why I rang them but she said I now have to ring 111 and not her . So having asthma breathing issues and the flu jab does not constitute me qualifying for the vulnerable list with one organisation but will according to another? No wonder there are people putting their health ar risk when the info out there is all over the place ! :(.
Was your doctor referring to the extremely vulnerable list? These are the ones that should be shielding and will be on a list to get support from the local authority, (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19)
With your condition it sounds like you are part of the group that are recommended to be particularly stringent in following social distancing measures, (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-on-social-distancing-and-for-vulnerable-people/guidance-on-social-distancing-for-everyone-in-the-uk-and-protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults)
As per Coronavirus 19 March 2020 update on ourtesco anyone on the second list should be given the 12 weeks off paid with 2 as holiday.
Quote from: Freebird123 on 31-03-20, 10:51AM
I've just spoken to a doctor at my surgery who's told me that just because I've has the flu jab it doesnt make me a member of the vulnerable list . The steroid tablets I'm on are not working either hence why I rang them but she said I now have to ring 111 and not her . So having asthma breathing issues and the flu jab does not constitute me qualifying for the vulnerable list with one organisation but will according to another? No wonder there are people putting their health ar risk when the info out there is all over the place ! :(.
You fall into the 12 week paid absence , take it
They are saying you need a letter from the doctor or recieved a letter through the post it's not consistent what is been told to staff
I'm a registered carer for my disabled wife and my two kids who are on a clinical trial. Would I qualify for time off? To be honest I'd rather be in work,I've got my pride. Sadly at least one in our store is taking the p**s. He's taking as much time off as possible so he can finish his decorating and play baby games on his Xbox
Quote from: Mrsholdentightly on 29-03-20, 08:25PM
Anyone know how you stand if you are a carer. I've been told to take 12 weeks off got a letter because my son has leukemia. Obviously he can't take care of himself as he's a toddler. Tesco say I can take it but unpaid 🤷🏼â€â™€ï¸ but asda are paying carers the full 12 weeks off....
So how do you pay your bills if you cant work and have to take it unpaid. Asda doing the right thing, tesco are not.
Quote from: Mark calloway on 31-03-20, 03:18PM
I'm a registered carer for my disabled wife and my two kids who are on a clinical trial. Would I qualify for time off? To be honest I'd rather be in work,I've got my pride. Sadly at least one in our store is taking the p**s. He's taking as much time off as possible so he can finish his decorating and play baby games on his Xbox
How is he taking the p**s? Does he fall in to the 12 weeks off category or taking unpaid time off, Or is he just calling in sick and taking advantage of the situation.
I suggest you stop looking for excuses as to why you can’t be at work and listen to what the medical professionals say and get back to work like the rest of us.
You’ve got the answer from your doctor. You’ve got no letter. You’re confusing this situation yourself. Make a decision and stick to it
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Quote from: Mark calloway on 31-03-20, 03:18PM
I'm a registered carer for my disabled wife and my two kids who are on a clinical trial. Would I qualify for time off? To be honest I'd rather be in work,I've got my pride. Sadly at least one in our store is taking the p**s. He's taking as much time off as possible so he can finish his decorating and play baby games on his Xbox
How is he taking the p**s? Does he fall in to the 12 weeks off category or taking unpaid time off, Or is he just calling in sick and taking advantage of the situation.
he's known for this kind of behaviour. Our manager says he's "an absolute c**t"
Adamski I'm taking it that comment was aimed at me .... wtf is your problem ! .I came on here to ask for advice , because this is such a confusing time FOR ALL WORKERS!! I do wanna get back to work but my health isnt letting me and YES I am getting a letter of confirmation of being on the vulnerable list, its being sorted tomorrow finally!! The only people that confused the situation was the doctors. The fact my dosage of steroid tablets was again increased today again and other medication added shows I am NOT making excuses to stay at home, just looking for help ! For all you guys that have helped with advice thankyou but with your condescending reply Adamski you can shove it!!
Get well soon freebird. Take it easy
I’m looking for info regarding the 12 weeks paid leave, I am considered high risk and when this leave was made available I was on annual leave and was not made aware about this until I returned to work on 28/03, I was told about it by a colleague who is aware of my health issues, what I want to know is should Tesco have contacted me at home so I didn’t return to work and put myself at risk??
It's not a fail safe thing. There has been no instruction that I'm aware of saying we need to document illnesses or to go through colleagues files to find vulnerable. The answer to this is unclear. If fully documented it would have been nice to have had that contact. If not documented and just known by some/all it could slip through the net. Some of the things on the vulnerable list are unclear to those who do not know details about that medical condition. We are not dr's and things like 'some cancers' or 'autoimmune' are not crystal clear. There has even been debate about asthma, I was on the understanding that all asthma sufferers are chronic as its a chronic condition affecting breathing.
As a family (not work) we have discussed all this between us. We have followed closely and arranged a way forward. I think that it would be hard to find a family that does not have at least one member effected. There have been numerous emails from the union and from head office. All the info you need is online for all to see. It has been all over the news, even the support offered by the company was on the news. Your health is your responsibility. The most vulnerable of all were being written to by health authority. There has been online checks to fill in to see if you are vulnerable. There is a duty of care to colleagues but this is unprecedented. You are also responsible for your own health.
Yeah I totally agree I am responsible for my own health, everything is well documented and I have been through the process so my manager and personnel are well aware of my health issues, I was more curious about Tesco’s duty of care, surely each manager would have a responsibility towards each team member??
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Quote from: Preacherpauly on 31-03-20, 05:45PM
Quote from: Mark calloway on 31-03-20, 03:18PM
I'm a registered carer for my disabled wife and my two kids who are on a clinical trial. Would I qualify for time off? To be honest I'd rather be in work,I've got my pride. Sadly at least one in our store is taking the p**s. He's taking as much time off as possible so he can finish his decorating and play baby games on his Xbox
How is he taking the p**s? Does he fall in to the 12 weeks off category or taking unpaid time off, Or is he just calling in sick and taking advantage of the situation.
he's known for this kind of behaviour. Our manager says he's "an absolute c**t"
Your manager should not be talking about any member of staff like that.
If the lad falls into the 12 weeks paid through health reasons he should be at home safe, Dont matter if he plays on his x box or paints his house just keep safe.
I know of a 19 year old who works at the local rival supermarket to ours and was told by his manager he had to work and that he didnt fall into there works time off policy, even though the GP said he does.
The lad is off now after been told to work with suspected Covid19, The manager is apparently shi**ing himself becouse the lads parents have contacted a solicitor and been told if the lad gets confirmed as having Covid19 then its a massive case against company and manager, if also the worst happens, i guess a national uproar will break out.
Manager's need to tread careful when going against trained medical people and government guidelines.
Quote from: Zoomer999 on 05-04-20, 01:35PM
Yeah I totally agree I am responsible for my own health, everything is well documented and I have been through the process so my manager and personnel are well aware of my health issues, I was more curious about Tesco’s duty of care, surely each manager would have a responsibility towards each team member??
Yes, there is duty of care. However, this will not be a policy in place as unpresidentated times. We have suffered bulk buying, continual changes to routines and updates to try and support our colleagues and customers. We seem to judge our managers on how fast they can work a cage and there has been lots of criticism of managers not being on shop floor. There does need to be a presence but they need to manage. If they need to be aware of and implementing changes they need not to be filling shelves. If they need to contact people who are on holiday as there is a duty of care to make sure they are not compromising someone's health they need not to be filling shelves. On the other hand they need to not make those bad decisions insisting people come to work when they shouldn't. To my mind that is where the duty of care lies. The first responsibility is to the colleagues in the building, the second is to those off. As off on holiday and unable to do normal holiday things I don't see the harm in expecting those on that situation to look after themselves and to ring in if they have have any questions regarding whether they should come back to work or not. The workload is unprecedented during these exceptional times so as long as we are supported in implementing government guidelines I don't see it's an issue letting people be responsible for own health.
I apologise I wasn’t very clear that I work in distribution so would guess that might be different as most folk who work in distribution know managers don’t really do much apart from coffee and smoke breaks
Quote from: Jonathan1970 on 05-04-20, 05:00PM
Quote from: Mark calloway on 31-03-20, 08:38PM
Quote from: Preacherpauly on 31-03-20, 05:45PM
Quote from: Mark calloway on 31-03-20, 03:18PM
I'm a registered carer for my disabled wife and my two kids who are on a clinical trial. Would I qualify for time off? To be honest I'd rather be in work,I've got my pride. Sadly at least one in our store is taking the p**s. He's taking as much time off as possible so he can finish his decorating and play baby games on his Xbox
How is he taking the p**s? Does he fall in to the 12 weeks off category or taking unpaid time off, Or is he just calling in sick and taking advantage of the situation.
he's known for this kind of behaviour. Our manager says he's "an absolute c**t"
Your manager should not be talking about any member of staff like that.
If the lad falls into the 12 weeks paid through health reasons he should be at home safe, Dont matter if he plays on his x box or paints his house just keep safe.
I know of a 19 year old who works at the local rival supermarket to ours and was told by his manager he had to work and that he didnt fall into there works time off policy, even though the GP said he does.
The lad is off now after been told to work with suspected Covid19, The manager is apparently shi**ing himself becouse the lads parents have contacted a solicitor and been told if the lad gets confirmed as having Covid19 then its a massive case against company and manager, if also the worst happens, i guess a national uproar will break out.
Manager's need to tread careful when going against trained medical people and government guidelines.
I don't know why the manager would be defecating themselves, even if their actions cost the company in the form of a £1,000,000 fine, they would just mateyboy it off with the PM and will be allowed to continue working in the same capacity, acting like the ding dong they are.
New update to the policy on the 16 th April. Can now have 2 weeks paid leave to support someone who’s clinically vulnerable etc or extremely vulnerable with a review after the 2 weeks. May then at the discretion of the manager be paid up to 8 weeks pay or career break unpaid etc. Have a look on the policies page.
Has anyone had any success with this ?
We have at least six off with 12 wks. Two more opted for lifestyle break. Holidays are as they are but we have more people wanting to cancel holiday rather than take holiday during lockdown.
Quote from: In the loop 1. on 22-04-20, 08:04AM
New update to the policy on the 16 th April. Can now have 2 weeks paid leave to support someone who’s clinically vulnerable etc or extremely vulnerable with a review after the 2 weeks. May then at the discretion of the manager be paid up to 8 weeks pay or career break unpaid etc. Have a look on the policies page.
Has anyone had any success with this ?
Which policy are you reading this in?
A colleague of mine is off for a minimum of two weeks with this new policy. His wife has COPD.
Where can I find this new information? I cant find it.
It's on Tesco colleague help, have your one login ready, scroll down and click on 'Coronavirus - People Support Documents' then scroll down and click on 'Vulnerable & Extremely Vulnerable Colleagues Guide' then open the pdf, the temporary compassionate leave policy is on there.
If you have asthma you are classed as vulnerable, that's the end of your GPs input into the issue.
If you are vulnerable Tesco have decided to send you home with full pay, 10 weeks and 2 weeks enforced holiday.
That is all that matters.
If you are vulnerable you need inform your manager hat you will take the leave.
If you're a manager you need to look through the absence files to find those who are vulnerable too it's in the policy document that Tesco will endeavour to identify anyone vulnerable.
You don't even need to have had the flu jab, just have been offered it for medical reasons.
Having asthma means you have a listed condition of the policy, it doesn't matter to what degree, if you have a pump or are offered a flu jab you are classed vulnerable.
The GP will not write you a letter, unless you are EXTREMELY VULNERABLE.
Take the 12 weeks, protect yourself, the company and the NHS capacity.
its about 8 weeks now
all the underlying health people return to work on 11 June.
My asthma has suddenly reoccurred,had to get a new blue inhaler. I'm not asking my GP for a letter because I don't think I'll get one. Feel dog rough though
It is Spring, it is prime hay fever time which for many asthmatics provides the trigger for their condition to worsen.
I know but I don't suffer from hay fever
if you have been told to take 12 weeks off, do you get full pay or 80% my wife has not been told. She was told that she was not allowed to return to work for 12 weeks. Also, what happens if the government extend the 12 weeks. She is very worried about her job.
Yeah I’m off for the 12 weeks as well, and I’m now pretty worried about when the lockdown ends and the second wave hits. All venerable staff will be back to work! And I can’t see Tesco paying to give us more time off
Quote from: Mark calloway on 26-04-20, 02:27PM
I know but I don't suffer from hay fever
You don't suffer from hay fever until you do. It can kick it at any point.
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if you have been told to take 12 weeks off, do you get full pay or 80% my wife has not been told. She was told that she was not allowed to return to work for 12 weeks. Also, what happens if the government extend the 12 weeks. She is very worried about her job.
It full pay. You get 12 weeks and out of that two of them will be holiday. It does not matter when you went into the 12 weeks, there are two return dates. First date is back at wirk 12th June. Second date is if you have had a letter and if you have it's the date in the letter.
Who knows is it will be extended. I suspect that those shielding won't be back but some of the vulnerable will. We have vulnerable colleague wanting to come back now. They are not being forced, they have been advised to take the time but they want to come back. They are saying with the screens at checkouts, PFS and CSD and all the other measures in the store things are not as they were. They just want to be back. Anyone vulnerable who has chosen to stay in work or now is pushing to come back has to sign a "wish to continue working" form.
I understand that it's not like getting time off where you can go out and about and see people. It's time off but stay at home. This is hard for some and that when flat out in work it's hard to relate to someone who is complaining about staying home. I also get the team spirit side of it when someone wants to help, play a part. My only thing is that so far we have had people off with symptoms, we have had domestic symptoms. We have had people who have so far think they have had a mild dose but recovered. We know of people who have not recovered though, we have just not had that in the store and I don't want to now see this happen because these vulnerable people come back because they are bored.
From reading on here I don't think our store has the problems of some other stores. Our problem is keeping the people who should not be in work off, to keep them safe. We have been told of a customer who has tested positive with no symptoms. You can't protect a vulnerable person from this unless they stay home, even then it is just best chance.
Does anyone know what would happen at the end of the 12 week period if this is still raging on? Who would decide its safe for colleagues to return who have been off isolating.
Tesco are currently in talks with the Union as how best to proceed.
With the Government now saying those in the highest risk category( those who have had the shielding letter from the NHS) are to shield till the 30th June.
All colleagues who are 12 week self-isolating, as it stands are due back from the 12th June.
Stores have been told not to contact colleagues until talks have finished with the Union regarding return dates.
If current government advice stands, then it will probably be a staggered return for the 12 week colleagues.
Those in the highest risk category staying off until the government says to return( what pay will look like, is still being looked at), all other colleagues back from 12th June.
Until the Tesco/Union talks are finished everything is just guess work and speculation.
However the Government advice could change at any time, which will probably then delay Tesco’s decision while they digest the new advice.
What we need to remember is that the lockdown was to protect the NHS and give the government time to build capacity in the NHS to cope with large cases of the virus.
Once the government is confident that they have achieved this, expect most if not all businesses and colleagues to be open at back at work.
I think in light of some recent statistics it could be a while before some are back . 25% of all covid 19 deaths were people who had diabetes, 15% had chronic kidney disease and 14% had chronic pulmonary disease, now there would be a certain amount of overlap there . Diabetics are more likely to suffer kidney disease for instance but I cant see these people being rushed back to work . Dont know what they would do about paying them though . They do seem to be making a very distinct difference now between the vulnerable and the high risk vulnerable which they didnt seem to mention at first .
I think everyone one the (clinically vulnerable) list will 100% will be back after the 12 weeks since government advice is “This means you should stay at home as much as possible. But you can go out to work (if you cannot work from home)â€
clinically extremely vulnerable is another matter no idea about them returning
I would be classed as clinically vulnerable borderline since I get severe chest infections and have had multiple steroid courses over the last year To manage both, but I’m 100% sure I’ll be coming back on June 12th, I’m just hoping that there’s no second wave since with lockdown coming to and end second wave should appear around the time we come back
Think it will be hard for them to sort out who stays off because most diabetics I know didn't get the letter so they will be back on 12th June, but they seem to be more at risk then the shielding group.
Quote from: Yorkshire lad on 29-03-20, 07:54PM
What about us that have kept working and Tesco going over all these weeks?
We have older or younger loved ones!
There are DEfINATLY p**s takers taking advantage of the situation!!! Hashtag ANGRY!
If the government has deemed someone high risk, they have been sent a letter. I think they are not taking the p**s lovely. Yes staff at work are at risk (massive risk) however don't you think if I could be at work I would? I have begged my SM to let me back and he point blank refused.
Thank god he did as one of my collegues is in a coma due to corna
I wouldn't fight amongst yourselves, even the alleged p**s takers might not be taking the p**s, if you think people taking advantage of the covid sick pay is taking the p**s I'd want to know what you think of Dave Lewis's salary.
We don't know each other's medical history and this is as it should be as it's the most private and personal information. We therefore and not in a position to judge. Things like diabetes, asthma etc are hidden. Shielded and vulnerable are different but both qualify if have health issues on the list. You may think someone looks healthy but you just have not seen them take the inhaler or know of them having chest infections. Because you don't know it does not mean it does not happen.
Anyone heard anymore news? I’ve had a txt from the government to stay shielding until the 30th June but obviously my Tesco 12 week shielding period ends 11 June.
I keep checking Ourtesco and no one at work has bothered to check how I am or give me updated info.
I think we’ve been just quietly forgotten about, I mean my manager hasn’t been In contact with me since erm beginning of ApriL,(In fact none of the 12 week staff in my store has been) I feel the vulnerable have generally been forgotten about and abandoned
I had a call from a manager last week just confirming what I was off with and another call this week. They were categorising people as 1 or 2 category 2 are due to start back on 11th June and category 1 will be staying off. I think it depends on whether you are vunerable or shielding but you should have heard from a manager by now
I'm a little confused over holidays for vulnerable staff. I understand that 2 weeks of the 12 weeks will be classed as holiday. If I have one week holiday pre-booked in the 12 weeks do I then use up 3 weeks of my entitlement or are the 2 weeks coded differently.
The week you have pre-booked will be counted as 1 of the 2 weeks don't know about the coding as I also had a week already booked but it hasn't been taken off of my holidays on my paysliip
You need to have taken two weeks in total but if you happened to have more than two weeks booked they will stand.
They could have moved your holidays, put two weeks together. Our store has put BH in for the ones that have come up during the twelve weeks. If your store has done this it could have moved your dates to flow after the BH days.
You could ask for a copy of your holidays. For clarity my store sorted the holidays and then sent out the updated holiday report to those off, in the post.
Bit of an update from me, Spoke to my manager this morning to check in as part of protocol. I went off on the 31st March for the 12 week isolation but she's told me im due back in work on the 14th June. This would put me at just over 10 weeks isolation, I already had a weeks holiday booked off during this isolation period but would i have another week taken off me? I'm not at the full 12 week isolation so I'm not sure what happens 🤔
Quote from: Interstellar on 30-05-20, 06:49PM
I'm a little confused over holidays for vulnerable staff. I understand that 2 weeks of the 12 weeks will be classed as holiday. If I have one week holiday pre-booked in the 12 weeks do I then use up 3 weeks of my entitlement or are the 2 weeks coded differently.
From how it's worded in the policy, as a benefit to staff your given 10 weeks of contractual pay and 2 weeks holiday pay, if you've got any holidays pre booked during this time then those will be added on.
Example that was given being that if you'd got 1 week booked during the 12 weeks off, you'd be paid 3 weeks holiday pay 9 weeks contractual pay since holiday pay should come out with basic or higher depending on your annual wage / 52 as of April.
There isn't anything about it that says it uses our holidays so I'd challenge that, since a lot that have had to take the isolation were forced into it, otherwise they'd be marked off sick on shifts they turned up to if they had a cold or cough etc.
Most colleagues are expected back between 11th and 14th, though if you went off a week or 2 after your still expected to also.. Even though they said 12 weeks.. So I'm not entirely sure with that, you'd be made to sign a form in return anyhow of declaration that your working whilst vulnerable in order to cover company backs.
Either way for me I'm taking what I booked. Wording means everything.
The 12 weeks ends on the 11th June so due back at work on first shift after that, but as far as I am aware we are still waiting for this to be confirmed. If shielded you are due back on the date as in the letter.
If you have been off for the full 12 weeks you need to use two weeks holiday within this period.
If you have been off for part of the 12 weeks, you need to go by the two week guideline and it's a percentage. His applies to those who went into isolation late. It's not 12 weeks from the time you went off. It's up to 12 weeks and ends on 11th June.
However, if you happen to have had pre booked holidays of more than two weeks within this period of time they stand.
This contradicts what Sarah106 has put on here. Who is correct?
Sorry Redshoes I misread your answer. Sarah106 is indeed correrct.
Quote from: segafan on 30-05-20, 01:50AM
Anyone heard anymore news? I’ve had a txt from the government to stay shielding until the 30th June but obviously my Tesco 12 week shielding period ends 11 June.
I keep checking Ourtesco and no one at work has bothered to check how I am or give me updated info.
A few old friends from Tesco that got the Shielding letter have also got the Text saying to shield till the 30th June , So that's what you should follow to be safe , whether Tesco decide to pay you for it or not has of yet not been announced ,
Those that got classed as Vulnerable will be Expected to return back to work on the 11th as you have said or next day they work , Remember that those that did go off during the 12 weeks since they had someone at home that was Shielding should also be back at work ,
One thing I have also heard is that they will expect to see the First letter with the word Shielding on it when you do get back to work ,
Some staff have been showing texts saying to Shield which they say that they got at the start of the lockdown I have been told that they will not accept this since everyone should have a letter , If you did not get a letter You can ask your doctor who will or should have a copy on his/her record ,
I don't work for Tesco anymore , but what I have said is after talking directly with those that still do including Mangers , Just hope that helps ,
Having a Shielding txt doesn’t actually mean anything.
I have 2 colleagues in my store, both have received the Shielding txts but not received any shielding letter!
They have both contacted their GPs and Consultants and have both been told that they do not fall into the shielding category, so they will not be issued with a shielding letter!
Apparently the GP and Consultant are going on current NHS England guidelines for there conditions & medications.
Yet they are constantly receiving these shielding txts and even had phone calls from the government shielding team!
To say they are confused about what’s going on is an understatement!
Do they follow there GP’s/Consultants advice or follow someone who has no medical training sending texts out!
Either way they have both been told they can have as long as they feel they need, whether they will be paid past the 11th June is still up in the air, as Tesco hasn’t released/decided yet what they are going to do with the them.
Like I think I said its if you got the Shielding letter at the start of the lockdown and then the text about 3 weeks ago to say you should Shield till the 30th june which is the link , The Letter with the old date and the text with the new date is what counts , and this is what the GPs are also advising ,
So Tesco have decided that anyone who has been given the 12 weeks isolate as vulnerable have to return to work on the 11th June. This counts even if you have only had 8 weeks and everyone is losing 2 weeks holiday. How can this be fair if you haven’t had the 12 weeks you shouldn’t have to use 2 weeks holiday >:D >:D
You don't use 2 weeks holiday, it says they will pay holiday pay and basic pay doesn't say anything about our own, only that if we have any of our own they replace basic pay, so if you've got 1 week in April, 2 in May and 1 at start of June for example, you'd be paid 6 weeks holiday pay 6 weeks basic pay and should be coded as using 4 weeks holiday not 6 since the initial 2 are offered by tesco.
Quote from: Garysmith123 on 03-06-20, 05:58PM
So Tesco have decided that anyone who has been given the 12 weeks isolate as vulnerable have to return to work on the 11th June. This counts even if you have only had 8 weeks and everyone is losing 2 weeks holiday. How can this be fair if you haven’t had the 12 weeks you shouldn’t have to use 2 weeks holiday >:D >:D
Really ? Fair ? You may want to ask the people who have gone into work everyday to earn their pay if they think any of it is fair . Off 8 weeks still means you've had 6wks pay for sitting at home .
I can understand you wanting to question the usage of your holiday but really you maybe need to think of colleagues who have worked through this when you ask the question .
And maybe you should think of the people having to sit at home with life limiting chronic diseases before you make a comment like that. I'm absolutely fed up of being thought of as a skiver. This is none of our making.
I live with someone who is at home with a terminal illness . I did not say you were skiving, I'm saying you need to choose your words better as complaining you only got 6 weeks off paid when your colleagues are risking their lives to get their wages or carers are going without wages is very inconsiderate.
While reading the policies im taking it as we are using our holidays or why code them as holiday, it does say if you had 1 week booked during the 12 week period then another week holiday should also be coded as holiday.
4.12 How do I code bank holidays for a Clinically Vulnerable colleague on 12 weeks of isolation?
The two weeks holiday should include bank holidays. So, any bank holidays taken during this period
should be coded as such, and then the balance up to 2 weeks should be taken as normal holiday.
If a Clinically Vulnerable colleague has any pre-booked holiday, this should still be coded as
holiday. For example
o If a colleague already has 3 weeks holiday pre-booked during this 12-week period, these
3 weeks should still be coded.
o If a colleague has pre-booked 1 week of holiday, we should code an additional week
during this 12-week period
Quote from: Welshie on 04-06-20, 12:36AM
Quote from: Garysmith123 on 03-06-20, 05:58PM
So Tesco have decided that anyone who has been given the 12 weeks isolate as vulnerable have to return to work on the 11th June. This counts even if you have only had 8 weeks and everyone is losing 2 weeks holiday. How can this be fair if you haven’t had the 12 weeks you shouldn’t have to use 2 weeks holiday >:D >:D
Really ? Fair ? You may want to ask the people who have gone into work everyday to earn their pay if they think any of it is fair . Off 8 weeks still means you've had 6wks pay for sitting at home .
I can understand you wanting to question the usage of your holiday but really you maybe need to think of colleagues who have worked through this when you ask the question .
Get your facts right first I have been in work all the way through this pandemic is for another colleague that’s looking for answers not snotty remarks from you tw*t
No it's not a snotty comment as I said , I understand you questioning the use of holidays but I dont think you can say that it is unfair . At least 5 of my colleagues have contracted covid-19 while trying to earn their wages , that's unfair .
Quote from: Garysmith123 on 04-06-20, 01:46PM
Quote from: Welshie on 04-06-20, 12:36AM
Quote from: Garysmith123 on 03-06-20, 05:58PM
So Tesco have decided that anyone who has been given the 12 weeks isolate as vulnerable have to return to work on the 11th June. This counts even if you have only had 8 weeks and everyone is losing 2 weeks holiday. How can this be fair if you haven’t had the 12 weeks you shouldn’t have to use 2 weeks holiday >:D >:D
Really ? Fair ? You may want to ask the people who have gone into work everyday to earn their pay if they think any of it is fair . Off 8 weeks still means you've had 6wks pay for sitting at home .
I can understand you wanting to question the usage of your holiday but really you maybe need to think of colleagues who have worked through this when you ask the question .
Get your facts right first I have been in work all the way through this pandemic is for another colleague that’s looking for answers not snotty remarks from you tw*t
Pretty hard to ascertain the correct facts, if they haven't been given ???
Was the insulting remarks really necessary, seriously!!! :-X
As shielding in Wales is now extended until 16th August, Tesco will have to inform staff where they stand and hopefully less confusion for everyone .
There is now clear guidelines on yammer I have a screen shot but I'm not technical enough to be able to share it .I've tried about 3 times ,
If you have been off for the full 12 weeks you need to use two weeks holiday. If holidays already booked it's not two additional weeks it's to make up to two weeks. If however you happen to have three weeks already pre-booked they stand.
If you have not been off for the full 12 weeks it's goes on a percentage, not the full two weeks but a percentage depending on how many days you are contracted to work. If you happen to have two weeks pre-booked in that period they will stand.
Quote from: Welshie on 05-06-20, 12:53AM
There is now clear guidelines on yammer I have a screen shot but I'm not technical enough to be able to share it .I've tried about 3 times ,
Just seen. Confusing. It says it starts from the 29th June. Where they’ll pay sick pay. Surely it should be starting at the end of the 12 weeks ie the 11th June.
Perhaps the missing 2 weeks are taken out of holidays.
I can't get onto yammer, does it say what the policy is in regard to those with underlying health conditions in the 'clinically vulnerable' section i.e. diabetics who have been off for the last 11 weeks?
Was told to expect an announcement this afternoon on whether needing fit note to return or not as a tesco wide, will be meetings throughout the day before those off will be contacted, you'll just go through an induction again of what's changed and adjustment passport indicating anything thsts needed to change for you, so clinically vulnerable you'd have the choice if you want to work on back door, self serve etc or see if possibly able to move to a different role on a temporary basis.
lots of confusion over this and people need to know ASAP
if you go on tesco colleague website and click on updated people policy it is all on there - extremely clinically vulnerable go onto company sick pay from 29th, other vulnerable groups return after risk assessment from occupational heath from 29th. What isn't clear is what happens with those two weeks in the middle, paid? unpaid? holiday?
Can anyone print the yammer info. I can't get in. Was told by my sm that if you had 2 weeks booked in the 12 period they are booked as holiday and that that means you have used 4 weeks of your entitlement. So he said I would only get two weeks between now and March 2021. Doesn't seem correct to me but he insisted.
Quote from: nick123 on 05-06-20, 10:39AM
if you go on tesco colleague website and click on updated people policy it is all on there - extremely clinically vulnerable go onto company sick pay from 29th, other vulnerable groups return after risk assessment from occupational heath from 29th. What isn't clear is what happens with those two weeks in the middle, paid? unpaid? holiday?
Wheres this info, i cannot find it anywhere?
Working At Tesco >Coronavirus â€" latest update > Guidance for colleagues > updated people policy
Nick123 - Can't see anything new on there.
Quote from: nick123 on 05-06-20, 11:58AM
Working At Tesco >Coronavirus â€" latest update > Guidance for colleagues > updated people policy
Newest thing 18th May
they've removed it in the last hour - very weird. I still have it on pdf
so are the vulnerable back to work on the 12th June ???
the guidance i read says they can go back on 11th if they sign deceleration saying they're happy to work without referral to occupational health otherwise they will see occupational heath and start from 29th
where are the guideline you read as I can not find anything ,
by the way thank you for your help,
I cant be the only one whos is worried about returning
the amended people policy has now been updated again on the website so it's all there
Nick123
just found it
thank you so much for your help ,
keep safe
no worries.... doesn't really answer the question of what happens in those two weeks though... paid? unpaid? holiday?
Wheres it say about return and signing declaration on 12th or stay off and see occupational health.
Hi, just had a phone call off my manager telling me I could return to work on the 12th of June if I sign a disclaimer stating that I accept any risks concerning my medical concerns. I declined and he told me that I would be accepted back to work on the 29th of June. Will I be penalised for not signing the disclaimer form. I was prepared to return to work on the 12th of June but had a bad feeling about the disclaimer. If it is save for me to go back to work, why would I need to sign any forms?
So still over 300 people dying every day yet no brain Tesco have said it is ok for those who have been off for 12 weeks to go back to work .So what happens then if one of those poor souls goes back to work and gets the virus and dies .It is not right that they should be put under so much stress ,also now they are going to revert to company sickness policies total and utter rubbish they should wait until it is virtually zero before changing the rules.
@badhairday are the two weeks paid or unpaid?
If they are going to revert to company sick pay , that should mean that after you have used your entitlement , you would fall back on the SSP sick rate of pay , which in turn would mean that the next time you go off sick for what ever other reason you will not have any company sick pay to fall back on that's how I read the situation ,
also in case any of you have a policy that covers your loss of wages I would think you would need to see if they will pay out if you fell sick after sighing the Paper they want you to sigh ,
Another worrying thing is , If you have a pension ( Tesco )which pays out death in service , would that be effected if you sigh ?
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Quote from: Hammer10 on 05-06-20, 04:09PM
So still over 300 people dying every day yet no brain Tesco have said it is ok for those who have been off for 12 weeks to go back to work .So what happens then if one of those poor souls goes back to work and gets the virus and dies .It is not right that they should be put under so much stress ,also now they are going to revert to company sickness policies total and utter rubbish they should wait until it is virtually zero before changing the rules.
Tesco have said nothing they are leaving it up to you to decided all they are doing is saying that if you feel you can come back then do so , But yes they are saying that you will not be paid the way you have till now , (and this only effects those that have not got a Sheilding letter )
It is paid as previous 12 weeks for those 2 weeks before the 29th
so sign letter waiving all rights and return on 11th or continue to be paid until 29th and have a full risk assessment... who on earth would go back on the 11th?
It's in the small print of the new policy, if you do decide to go back on the 11th and sign that document it will be a very grey area if you catch the virus. The Tesco poilcy says the 29th of June for return date remember managers cannot force you to go back on the 11th June.
Quote from: notsofunny on 05-06-20, 05:00PM
If they are going to revert to company sick pay , that should mean that after you have used your entitlement , you would fall back on the SSP sick rate of pay , which in turn would mean that the next time you go off sick for what ever other reason you will not have any company sick pay to fall back on that's how I read the situation ,
also in case any of you have a policy that covers your loss of wages I would think you would need to see if they will pay out if you fell sick after sighing the Paper they want you to sigh ,
Another worrying thing is , If you have a pension ( Tesco )which pays out death in service , would that be effected if you sigh ?
It says in the policy document, that once CSP has been used up, it will be topped up by head office. I assumed from that, that it would be the equivalent of full pay for the duration of shielding. I may well be wrong of course.
Any idea on how they distinguish between vunerable and extremely vunerable??
Extremely vulnerable were advised by an nhs letter, the Clinically vulnerable did not receive a letter
Thanks and I suppose those who got letter can’t go back at all?
Quote from: xtrouble on 05-06-20, 06:40PM
Quote from: notsofunny on 05-06-20, 05:00PM
If they are going to revert to company sick pay , that should mean that after you have used your entitlement , you would fall back on the SSP sick rate of pay , which in turn would mean that the next time you go off sick for what ever other reason you will not have any company sick pay to fall back on that's how I read the situation ,
also in case any of you have a policy that covers your loss of wages I would think you would need to see if they will pay out if you fell sick after sighing the Paper they want you to sigh ,
Another worrying thing is , If you have a pension ( Tesco )which pays out death in service , would that be effected if you sigh ?
It says in the policy document, that once CSP has been used up, it will be topped up by head office. I assumed from that, that it would be the equivalent of full pay for the duration of shielding. I may well be wrong of course.
This is for those that are to return on the 11th , vulnerable ,
For those that are shielding) , They will be paid in full one way or the other until the Government says shielding is to end , after the company sick pay ends they will get SSP and if the SSP is less than what they get as a normal pay , then the Company will top it up so they don't lose out ,
Only thing I don't understand is that why its made unfair for those that have saved up company sick pay over the years against those that don't have any sick pay to be used ,
Quote from: T69 on 05-06-20, 07:12PM
Thanks and I suppose those who got letter can’t go back at all?
I guess not but its being reviewed regulary
Quote from: T69 on 05-06-20, 07:12PM
Thanks and I suppose those who got letter can’t go back at all?
If you got a letter from the NHS saying to shield then , you stay off work as long as the Government says so which I think at the moment is the 30th or any other dates they give later on , and no they will not allow you to go back at all , someone has already asked them and they have been told NO even if they sigh a waver letter ,,
Quote from: T.C.1 on 05-06-20, 06:16PM
It's in the small print of the new policy, if you do decide to go back on the 11th and sign that document it will be a very grey area if you catch the virus. The Tesco poilcy says the 29th of June for return date remember managers cannot force you to go back on the 11th June.
They cant force you , But does it say they will pay you ? I am told it says you can return on the 11th , that is since that is what the Government says , has anyone been told what happens about the pay for those that are classed as Vulnerable ?
You will get paid up to the 29th then the most vulnerable will have to go on to company sick pay.
Quote from: notsofunny on 05-06-20, 07:32PM
Quote from: T.C.1 on 05-06-20, 06:16PM
It's in the small print of the new policy, if you do decide to go back on the 11th and sign that document it will be a very grey area if you catch the virus. The Tesco poilcy says the 29th of June for return date remember managers cannot force you to go back on the 11th June.
They cant force you , But does it say they will pay you ? I am told it says you can return on the 11th , that is since that is what the Government says , has anyone been told what happens about the pay for those that are classed as Vulnerable ?
They will pay you. Up untill the 29th, then use holidays, unpaid, depending on what the referral suggests
Thanks , someone asked me that so that's why I am asking ,
Does it say if the Most vulnerable if they don't have Company sick pay will get SSP and if so if that will be toped up ? after the 29th ?
Quote from: zbkids on 05-06-20, 07:54PM
Quote from: notsofunny on 05-06-20, 07:32PM
Quote from: T.C.1 on 05-06-20, 06:16PM
It's in the small print of the new policy, if you do decide to go back on the 11th and sign that document it will be a very grey area if you catch the virus. The Tesco poilcy says the 29th of June for return date remember managers cannot force you to go back on the 11th June.
They cant force you , But does it say they will pay you ? I am told it says you can return on the 11th , that is since that is what the Government says , has anyone been told what happens about the pay for those that are classed as Vulnerable ?
They will pay you. Up untill the 29th, then use holidays, unpaid, depending on what the referral suggests
Quote from: T.C.1 on 05-06-20, 07:40PM
You will get paid up to the 29th then the most vulnerable will have to go on to company sick pay.
The wording is something like , if company all sick pay has be used , wages will be topped up by payroll . I dont remember anything in relation to ssp but could've forgotten. As these are the most vulnerable colleagues there is a chance some could also be out of ssp but my reading was that all extremely vulnerable colleagues would get full pay , reviewed every 4 weeks . Probably in line with government guidelines
"sign a disclaimer stating that I accept any risks concerning my medical concerns" what happens if u dont sign but want to come back on the 12th?
Not sure on that, but your not losing any pay and safeguarding your health as per their new new policies, but this is the small writing at the bottom of the declaration where u sign
Declaration
I have read the above in full and I confirm that I am aware that I am able to complete the Clinically Vulnerable Colleague Health Referral before returning to work as I am considered to be a Clinically Vulnerable worker. I have taken the decision that I wish to return to my normal job role without any additional adjustments other than those outlined in the Keeping Colleagues Safe Training. I confirm I have completed this training prior to starting work. I understand that this decision does not impact my cover as part of the company’s Employer’s Liability Insurance, nor would it affect any company death in service benefits or payments.
When was the updated policy on how much time colleagues can have off under which category released? Only asking as today is the first I’ve heard of it. I live in a household with 2 people who fall into the extremely critically vulnerable category, and was told if I take any time off of work it would be unpaid. Today has been a huge eye opener.
Yupitsme
I think the new update only applies to the vulnerable coming back to work or not on the 11th June.
not those staying at home because they lice with the vulnerable
Part of what I saw today says that people who live with extremely critically vulnerable people could have had 2 weeks holiday and 10 further weeks at full pay. And not expected back until 29 Jun.
For me I'll be going back on the 29th with a full risk assememt that me and my health and safety rep is happy with it just doesn't make sense going back on the 11th signing a document saying your happy to go back to work without a full risk assessment.
Quote from: YupItsMe on 05-06-20, 09:59PM
Part of what I saw today says that people who live with extremely critically vulnerable people could have had 2 weeks holiday and 10 further weeks at full pay. And not expected back until 29 Jun.
Yes I was surprised to see that , they kept it quite quiet .
As a union rep, I would implore anyone who is clinically vulnerable to go through the OH risk assessment that the company is offering you. For many reasons. Not least that there is every chance that you, perhaps, should be listed as Extremely Vulnerable, and will not need to return to work after the 29th. But they can also tell the company ways in which they can keep you and your health protected if you do need to return to work on that date. Not everyone who is extremely vulnerable got a letter, so it is worth checking.
My understanding is that anyone who returns on the 29th will continue to be paid by the PA500 payroll code that the company has been paying you with until now. If you are deemed safe to return to work and refuse, you can take holidays, unpaid leave, or lifestyle breaks to stay home BUT YOU WILL NO LONGER BE PAID.
That said, it is definitely worth getting the OH report to support you in these circumstances. And also remember that if your OH report is not returned to the store by the health partner, you should stay off until it is.
Quote from: Welshie on 05-06-20, 08:29PM
The wording is something like , if company all sick pay has be used , wages will be topped up by payroll . I dont remember anything in relation to ssp but could've forgotten. As these are the most vulnerable colleagues there is a chance some could also be out of ssp but my reading was that all extremely vulnerable colleagues would get full pay , reviewed every 4 weeks . Probably in line with government guidelines
Yes you are correct extremely will get full pay one way or another , But what I cant understand is that I have a friend that has never been sick over 9 years and is going to be asked to use that company sick up first , yet another one that has no company sick pay left is still going to get paid the full amount , they have both been told that they will be reviewed every 4 weeks , but not told if that is from today or from the 29th ,
Quote from: BasketMaster on 05-06-20, 11:37PM
As a union rep, I would implore anyone who is clinically vulnerable to go through the OH risk assessment that the company is offering you. For many reasons. Not least that there is every chance that you, perhaps, should be listed as Extremely Vulnerable, and will not need to return to work after the 29th. But they can also tell the company ways in which they can keep you and your health protected if you do need to return to work on that date. Not everyone who is extremely vulnerable got a letter, so it is worth checking.
My understanding is that anyone who returns on the 29th will continue to be paid by the PA500 payroll code that the company has been paying you with until now. If you are deemed safe to return to work and refuse, you can take holidays, unpaid leave, or lifestyle breaks to stay home BUT YOU WILL NO LONGER BE PAID.
That said, it is definitely worth getting the OH report to support you in these circumstances. And also remember that if your OH report is not returned to the store by the health partner, you should stay off until it is.
Do those that go back on the 29th get a chance to have a OH risk assessment then ? or as I have been told they just go back to the normal jobs without them ? In which case they should at least go in before have it done then decide to go back or not ?
Quote from: notsofunny on 06-06-20, 12:00AM
Quote from: Welshie on 05-06-20, 08:29PM
The wording is something like , if company all sick pay has be used , wages will be topped up by payroll . I dont remember anything in relation to ssp but could've forgotten. As these are the most vulnerable colleagues there is a chance some could also be out of ssp but my reading was that all extremely vulnerable colleagues would get full pay , reviewed every 4 weeks . Probably in line with government guidelines
Yes you are correct extremely will get full pay one way or another , But what I cant understand is that I have a friend that has never been sick over 9 years and is going to be asked to use that company sick up first , yet another one that has no company sick pay left is still going to get paid the full amount , they have both been told that they will be reviewed every 4 weeks , but not told if that is from today or from the 29th ,
Sorry to jump in on your question but it's from the 29th. The policy is clear that the policy only changes on the 29th of June. Everyone will continue to be paid as they are now until then. Hope that helps.
Quote from: notsofunny on 06-06-20, 12:06AM
Quote from: BasketMaster on 05-06-20, 11:37PM
As a union rep, I would implore anyone who is clinically vulnerable to go through the OH risk assessment that the company is offering you. For many reasons. Not least that there is every chance that you, perhaps, should be listed as Extremely Vulnerable, and will not need to return to work after the 29th. But they can also tell the company ways in which they can keep you and your health protected if you do need to return to work on that date. Not everyone who is extremely vulnerable got a letter, so it is worth checking.
My understanding is that anyone who returns on the 29th will continue to be paid by the PA500 payroll code that the company has been paying you with until now. If you are deemed safe to return to work and refuse, you can take holidays, unpaid leave, or lifestyle breaks to stay home BUT YOU WILL NO LONGER BE PAID.
That said, it is definitely worth getting the OH report to support you in these circumstances. And also remember that if your OH report is not returned to the store by the health partner, you should stay off until it is.
Do those that go back on the 29th get a chance to have a OH risk assessment then ? or as I have been told they just go back to the normal jobs without them ? In which case they should at least go in before have it done then decide to go back or not ?
Everyone in the clinically vulnerable group should be offered the OH report as part of their return. They can choose to return from the 11th with no adjustments needed but Tesco should not pressure anyone into doing so. My advice is that everyone who is vulnerable should refuse until they get the OH report, which must be done if the colleague refuses to return now.
To answer your first question more clearly, the people in the clinically vulnerable group are the only people who are eligible for an OH report as those who are extremely vulnerable have been told not to return at this time.
so will they still get a OH report done if they return on the 29th ? or must they get it done before that ? thanks
Basically, the company will be contacting anyone in the clinically vulnerable category over the next two days to give them the update. They should then tell the colleague to complete the Clinically Vulnerable Colleague Review Process, which is an OH report at the core. OH will determine whether the colleague can return as normal, can return with amended duties etc, or should not return as they are Extremely Vulnerable.
This process should be completed before the 29th but may not be back at store by then. If it isn't at store by then, the colleague has a right to stay off on fully paid leave until it is. If the report states that colleague can return and they do not agree, or do not want to for medical reasons, they can choose to take holidays, unpaid leave, or a lifestyle break in the mean time.
But every clinically cuknerable member of staff has a right to the OH process for returning.
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Where does the OH happen? If I say I want it can I go back on the 12th
I believe the portal opens on the 22nd its done online unless they want to know more you may get a phone call
I think you only have to do the OH if your going back on the 29th, if you want to go back sooner then there is a requirement to sign a declaration this is for Clinically vulnerable only
What exactly does the declaration say?
I have copied the small writing at the bottom of the form at the top of this page or the last one, to be honest it is all on the ourtesco website hope that helps
I’m in the clinically vulnerable group. My manager called me yesterday and said I only needed to speak to oh if I thought I should be thought of as extremely vulnerable. To which I told her I have had no shielding letter so I know I’m not extremely vulnerable I’m clinically vulnerable. So I’m not being given the option to speak to oh as I don’t think of myself as extremely vulnerable. Was I given the correct information does anyone know? Or should I still be looking to speak to oh before I return on the 29th?
You were given the wrong information.
The policy is open for anyone in the clinically vulnerable group for a reason. Tesco realise that they are not qualified to determine how at risk you are in your current role. That's why they have deffered that judgement to medical professionals.
The reason for the OH report is NOT ONLY to assess whether you are extremely vulnerable but to also offer the company advice on how best to keep you safe when you do return to work on the 29th. This may include a change of hours, department, ways of working.
The worst part of this is, is that the policy clearly states that no pressure should be placed upon people to choose one way or the other. It's your choice whether you want the OH report and my advice, as a union rep, would be to absolutely get the report carried out and go from there.
Thank you for your reply
Any advice on those living with the extremely vulnerable?
It says , return to work 12th June and follow government guidelines of social 3within the home .
Use holidays, unpaid leave or a lifestyle break .
Paid compassionate leave which would have to be agreed with people manager .
That is me para-phrasing and not the exact wording but you get the drift .
Cheers.
I was put on shielding after 4 weeks sick shielding letter dated 27th April
A manager called me to day and said I'm not one of the most vulnerable and have to return to work by the 29th june due to guidelines changing. My system has Been compromised due to a virus / infection and has left me with health issues.
I was told that I couldn't have my full shielding letters time off or/and with pay. I said I will go sick as I've been refered for test to see what's going on. The manager said I've no sick entitlement left as I've used up my sick. If i stay off I will need to use my holiday , none pay , career break or see the occupational therapists. Please can anyone give me information on this
With out my immune system being compromised I am asthmatic on the norm meds. Ones listed on gov site
Is my shielding letter not worth paper it's written on ???
I've been with Tesco 20yrs
I thought all colleagues with a shielding letter were extremely vulnerable , I'm confused.
Can you contact GP and ask for a letter stating you are immuno-suppressed , are you on medication, there in a list of medications on the government that make you more vulnerable.
I do think asthma sufferers is one of the groups of people due back .
I believe the OH assessment is a questionnaire, if this is on paper and not online you could send a copy of shielding letter and possibly a list of medications you are on as supporting evidence .
Remember you will have an assessment (hopefully they'll get these done on time) and it will be up to OH if you are fit to return to work , not management.
So from the 22nd of June you do your OH online then it's a traffic light system green,Amber,red then I would imagine it will tell you what course to take i.e. green you can go back to work.
Quote from: miriam on 06-06-20, 06:32PM
I was put on shielding after 4 weeks sick shielding letter dated 27th April
A manager called me to day and said I'm not one of the most vulnerable and have to return to work by the 29th june due to guidelines changing. My system has Been compromised due to a virus / infection and has left me with health issues.
I was told that I couldn't have my full shielding letters time off or/and with pay. I said I will go sick as I've been refered for test to see what's going on. The manager said I've no sick entitlement left as I've used up my sick. If i stay off I will need to use my holiday , none pay , career break or see the occupational therapists. Please can anyone give me information on this
With out my immune system being compromised I am asthmatic on the norm meds. Ones listed on gov site
Is my shielding letter not worth paper it's written on ???
I've been with Tesco 20yrs
You say you have a Shielding letter ,IF so you do NOT go back to work ,regardless of what you Manager said to you ,, ask to speak to Your PM ,
After the 29th you are off for another 4 weeks , First they will use Company sick pay to pay you , If you do not have any company sick pay left they will put you On SSP which is about £94 a week , and then if your salary is normally more than that they will add to it them self's to bring it up to your normal salary ,,
So Again if you have a Shielding letter you do not go back to work ,, IN the 3 cases in which I have friends that Do have a Shielding letter the PM only asked them if they have the letter , once they said they had the Letter they got told to stay at home , The PM did not ask them what illness they had ,
As to using up your holidays they will take 2 days from you every 4 weeks and any holidays you have booked ,
I can only think They are bringing me in line with the first batch that were told to shield
Mine arrived a month after theirs
I have an inhaler that's on the gov sight I take it twice daily
I'm an individual not being seen like it
As I became ill and still are having illness issues
I've planned test to be carried out
I said If i go off my shielding letter than I will get a sick note
She said I won't get sick pay
I'm sure I've more sick pay then I've taken
I won't need sick pay if I'm shielding
Regardless of what they say , I say it again NO one is being asked what medication they are taking , all you get asked is If you have a NHS letter that says YOU are to Shield ,
You do not need to tell them what medication you take , your Manager is not your Doctor ,
Company policy is to pay you like I have explained ,
If they want to challenge your Shielding letter ask the PM to put it in writing to your Doctor ,
Not all letters came at the same time so most letters have different dates ,
And I don't understand who she is to say that she will not pay your sick pay ,
From what you have said it just seems you have a manager that is making things up as she goes along ,
If your in the union talk to them , But your first stop should be the PM who will or should put a stop to what I see as Bullying ,
all the best
My manager said Ashmatics are not on the extreme vulnerable list
Lol
Gov. Uk say different
If you have a letter then you do not go back full stop no matter when you received the letter
My shielding should end 20th July
Been told I won’t have any pay after 29th unless I take holiday
I was told I’m not entitled to any sick pay
I’m so confused
My manager said I’m not classed as vulnerable as a Ashmatic I take inhalers on list
I was on sick at first with suspected covid 19 I was tested came back negative but virus/infection has left me with issues that need time to recover
I’m alone they have said I will get no money
Is it legal to say all this
Clinically extremely vulnerable groups
Expert doctors in England have identified specific medical conditions that, based on what we know about the virus so far, place some people at greatest risk of severe illness from coronavirus. Disease severity, history or treatment levels will also affect who is in this group.
Clinically extremely vulnerable people may include:
Solid organ transplant recipients.
People with specific cancers:
people with cancer who are undergoing active chemotherapy
people with lung cancer who are undergoing radical radiotherapy
people with cancers of the blood or bone marrow such as leukaemia, lymphoma or myeloma who are at any stage of treatment
people having immunotherapy or other continuing antibody treatments for cancer
people having other targeted cancer treatments which can affect the immune system, such as protein kinase inhibitors or PARP inhibitors
people who have had bone marrow or stem cell transplants in the last 6 months, or who are still taking immunosuppression drugs
People with severe respiratory conditions including all cystic fibrosis, severe asthma and severe chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).
People with rare diseases that significantly increase the risk of infections (such as severe combined immunodeficiency (SCID), homozygous sickle cell).
People on immunosuppression therapies sufficient to significantly increase risk of infection.
Women who are pregnant with significant heart disease, congenital or acquired.
so as this last one points out you are covered if you have a Shield letter , so stop Panicking , just do what I asked you to do ,
Other people have also been classed as clinically extremely vulnerable, based on clinical judgement and an assessment of their needs. GPs and hospital clinicians have been provided with guidance to support these decisions.
I’ve read that Tesco can refuse to pay furlough
It’s been told I won’t be paid after 29th June unless I take holidays
Can anyone show light on this plz
Not being funny, Miriam, but it has been explained to you at least three times on this thread. IF you have a letter telling you should shield you WILL be paid in full by Tesco after the 29 Jun. This will be reviewed every four weeks. Tesco haven’t ‘furloughed’ anyone. Up until now, those shielding have been paid by Tesco. The only thing that will change after 29th June is that you’ll be paid company sick pay. If you have no company sick pay left you’ll be paid SSP (£94 per week) BUT Tesco will top up your wages to their normal amount, providing you have that SHIELDING LETTER. That is why having the letter is important for someone in your position. If you didn’t have that letter then, after 29th Jun, you’d only get SSP (£94 per week) or you’d have to use your holiday or take a lifestyle break (unpaid).
Miriam, I think you should have a very close look at the wording on your letter.
Doctors/Consultants have sent 2 different letters out to people that are very similar, however only one is the actual Shielding letter.
1st type of letter will consist of you are CLINICALLY VULNERABLE and will say words like practice extreme social distancing or shielding measures or self-isolate.
2nd type of letter will consist of you are CLINICALLY EXTREMELY VULNERABLE and should shield.
It’s the second letters wording that you will need if you are classed as Shielding.
The clinically extremely vulnerable, if your letter doesn’t say those 3 words then you are back on the 29th June.
Unless you take it as unpaid, holiday or are assessed as being in the clinically extremely vulnerable group by OH.
Asthma falls into both groups so is not as straightforward as people are suggesting.
You can always contact you GP for clarification on which group you are in and if necessary ask for the correct letter.
If you are in the clinically extremely vulnerable group then you will be paid sick pay, topped up if you have run out.
Also you say you should shield till the 20th July, is that 12 weeks from when you started to self-isolate as the date match’s your shield/self-isolation start date of 27th April.
The reason I’m asking is I think you are getting confused with the 12 weeks period.
It was 12 weeks from March 20th, which would end 11th June, anyone who went off at a later date would not get the full 12 weeks and would return from the 11th June.
Which has now been extended until 29th June while OH is contacted for all affected colleagues.
So I think your Manager is actually correct with what he’s saying, unless you have the clinically extremely vulnerable letter.
Quote from: nick123 on 05-06-20, 02:41PM
the guidance i read says they can go back on 11th if they sign deceleration saying they're happy to work without referral to occupational health otherwise they will see occupational heath and start from 29th
The 11th is last day off, back from 12th or on first contracted day after the 12th but should be agreed with manager. By that I mean mutually agreed. If you have had a letter or text from NHS it's the date on that unless you choose to come back before that.
It should be two weeks holiday, or a percentage of two weeks, depending on date you first went off as vulnerable. You would only use more than two weeks if you happen to have booked more than two weeks during this 12 week period before this all kicked off.
If you are staying off and not coming back as critically vulnerable it's a percentage of hols used monthly for however long it is you are off. This will all depend on how many days you work and how many holidays you get according to length of service.
Those who have not been off need to take holidays as they stand. It's hard in work and we need time out but we can't get into a place where come October we have a huge amount of people who have not used any holidays and we have limited time to fit them in. It's not great being off on holiday just now, I can speak from experience as you can't do anything but I did feel better having a break. I don't find it stressful in work but for some reason it's exhausting just now, loads of people are finding that.
Thanks all for replies
My letter says stay at home for 12 weeks
I go and get click and collect shopping no contact
I asked section manager to get prescriptions as I'm not allowed in store
We met and kept distance
I live completely alone
111 asked how was doing shopping I told them they said that was gd
I wear a mask too
Quote from: T.C.1 on 06-06-20, 08:07PM
So from the 22nd of June you do your OH online then it's a traffic light system green,Amber,red then I would imagine it will tell you what course to take i.e. green you can go back to work.
Reminder, that by law any statutory holiday entitlement not able to be taken due to sickness can be carried over to the next holiday year.
No vulnerable people back till 29th 11th if you sign disclaimer
Did you do a OH with them ? and what else did they say ?
The OH is done around about the 22nd of June and should be completed by the OH before the 29th of june return date.
Hi
I still dont get it. I am just a vulnerable colleague (Asthma, but not severe) who has been shielding from the 20th of march. I just had today the letter from the manager about returning on the 11th signing a declaration. know i can refuse to return on the 11th and that will trigger an occupational health assessment that i need to do. And here is when the questions comes...
1- Can I refuse for the occupational health to get involved? (It says on our Tesco site that we can)
2 When will i actually have to come back to work once the occupational health assessment says that i am a vulnerable colleague (not an extremely one)? Will it be on the 29th or will it be as soon as we get an answer from the OH?
Also, how will the time from the 11th to the 29th of June will be coded? Will it be Sick?
Thanks ion advance
1. Yes you can refuse to get OH involved, however you will then be expected to either return from the 11th June, or stay off unpaid.
2. If you have OH then you will return for you first shift from the 29th June if they assess you as vulnerable.
3.The time off until the 29th June will be paid in full as has been currently been done.
Sick pay will only start from 29th June.
Quote from: User5249 on 08-06-20, 04:49PM
1- Can I refuse for the occupational health to get involved? (It says on our Tesco site that we can)
You'll receive a call this week, you can refuse to go down the occupational health, however you'll be expected to return to the same position and agree a date, either the 11th or first shift after 11th. Though they'd still have a right of care so must still take into account your condition and move you if need be.
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2 When will i actually have to come back to work once the occupational health assessment says that i am a vulnerable colleague (not an extremely one)? Will it be on the 29th or will it be as soon as we get an answer from the OH?
Also, how will the time from the 11th to the 29th of June will be coded? Will it be Sick?
Occupational health may say depending on any extra conditions you'd be classed as extremely, of they don't and you are are still just in the clinically bit then they may suggest to work that there are things that need to be done to make it safer for you, such as temporarily moving you onto ankther shift or position in order to better protect your health, during the time OH is going on you'll be paid like you are now with 2 weeks coded as holiday total, if you've had other holidays booked since March then those will also be included and replace over the 2 week initial loss of holiday, once OH get back to you and your managers, you'll then agree with your manager a start date to come back into work and start working again, of which you'll still have to have 4 weekly updates as government advice changes and also just to make sure you are adjusting well. For atleast 2 to 3 sessions.
You can just return on the 29th without occupational if you want too...
Quote from: Morris999 on 08-06-20, 05:13PM
3.The time off until the 29th June will be paid in full as has been currently been done.
Sick pay will only start from 29th June.
Hi,
I’m in the extremely vulnerable category, and have been shielding for 12 weeks. I had two separate weeks of holiday pre-booked during this 12 week period, so no problem there.
However, I have another week pre-booked between the original policy return to work date (11th June), and the new policy start date (29th June).
Out of interest, does anybody know whether my June holiday will be used in conjunction with the old policy, or used towards the (2 days per 4 week period that I’m off) new policy?
Thank you.
Going by what someone has told me that is in your situation , Your holidays booked will stand just like they did last time , and the other 2 days will be on top , which seems crazy to me and I don't understand why its being done this way but then that's what my friend has been told ,
Another thing is that if you have sick leave remaining that will be used as well so it could mean that in the 4 weeks 1 week and 3 days could be sick then 2 weeks 2 days holiday ,,,
But if someone does not have any sick pay due and have not booked any holidays they will only lose 2 days holiday ,
That's how I understand it ,
I’ve been contacted as I fall into the extremely vulnerable catagory however what was explained was how much company sick pay is, does anyone know ? Would just like to be able to calculate roughly how much I’ll be getting. Thanks in advance.
From what I understood if you're extremely vunreable, you're coded as sick but the wage will be topped off to what you'd normally earn
Hmmm
Still confusing
I was told sickness was being used as my shielding pay
I have not used it all
My shielding started 27th April so should b off until with July
I was told guidelines have changed on gov.UK they haven't or not updated
My dates r later than norm
I am going OH then I will go sick as advised by union rep
When u go sick and is not paid for first week the week u r not paid is this included in my sickness allowance ???
I’ve been told only getting paied company sick pay, the. When all of that is used go on to stat sick pay then topped up by Tesco to full wage, is company sick pay the same level as normal pay? I didn’t think it was
Miriam, I think you are getting confused about the ‘12 Week’ isolation. The 12 week period started on 19 March and ends 11 June. If you didn’t get told to isolate until 27 Apr, that doesn’t means your 12 weeks start from 27 Apr. That’s not how it works.
Quote from: Started2008 on 09-06-20, 08:02PM
I’ve been told only getting paid company sick pay, then when all of that is used go on to stat sick pay then topped up by Tesco to full wage, is company sick pay the same level as normal pay? I didn’t think it was ?
You will get your full normal pay regardless of if you get company or SSP sick pay.
Quote from: notsofunny on 09-06-20, 08:17PM
Quote from: Started2008 on 09-06-20, 08:02PM
I’ve been told only getting paid company sick pay, then when all of that is used go on to stat sick pay then topped up by Tesco to full wage, is company sick pay the same level as normal pay? I didn’t think it was ?
You will get your full normal pay regardless of if you get company or SSP sick pay.
Is that confirmed? My manager gave me a quick call but didn’t know all the details, our store manager is off for 2 weeks so the information sounds like it’s be a version of Chinese whispers
If you have a Shielding letter ,
Then yes that's the way it works ,,
Does anyone know when the new policy come in at end of June when extremely vunerable coleagues goon to sick and having to take 2 days hols every 4 weeks, if you have hols booked during the 4 weeks will this be the 2 days or will 2 days be added on top of time booked off?
You will use the holidays booked. I assume this will be reduced so you are using the minimum whilst you are off sick.
Aye it says pro rata, so you'd use 2 days holiday per 4 weeks or 1 day holiday per 4 weeks if your on 2 / 3 days a week I'm assuming from how it's worded.
Hi unsure if I am on correct post, just wondering has anyone in company been paid compassionate leave for living with extremely clinically vulnerable during coronavirus or has unpaid/hols been used? Thanks.
Most will of been told use holidays, it only came into effect as a sly change a few weeks after the original and they didn't update colleagues on it, they've been entitled to 8 weeks pay I believe from atleast then.
Can you explain the Sly part of your post ? , Since its my understanding that Those that stayed home to look after someone was told they could take holidays or Unpaid from the start .
Quote from: sandyclose123 on 10-06-20, 08:45PM
Hi unsure if I am on correct post, just wondering has anyone in company been paid compassionate leave for living with extremely clinically vulnerable during coronavirus or has unpaid/hols been used? Thanks.
I have not heard about anyone that has been paid compassionate leave ,, Yet if someone has been paid it ,like some that have been paid for things they should not have been then good luck to them ,
The amount of holidays used will depend on how many holidays you earn, so will go on days worked and length of service. A person who only works two days only uses two days to have a weeks holiday but somebody who works five uses five. For extremely vulnerable colleagues, holiday is part of the extended time off package but will depend on how many contracted days you have but it is a given amount of days per month. There is no three days unpaid going into sick pay. If sick pay runs out you can use additional holidays if you want to. Sick pay resets on your annual start date so different for everyone. The wages clerk can work out how much sick pay you have left.
You don't get paid for the first 3 shifts of being classed as sickness absence though? unless you joined the company like YEARS back, or are they mitigating that for the current standing of it? cause it doesn't sound it since they say afterwards would be topped up to Contractual pay...
Am I correct in thinking that company sick pay is the same as what your hourly wage is ? And that stat sick pay is lower at roughly £94 a week ?
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 11-06-20, 04:01AM
You don't get paid for the first 3 shifts of being classed as sickness absence though? unless you joined the company like YEARS back, or are they mitigating that for the current standing of it? cause it doesn't sound it since they say afterwards would be topped up to Contractual pay...
The 3 day waiting period is being waived for colleagues moving off paid absence to sickness. The topping up is if you run out of sick pay.
Quote from: Started2008 on 11-06-20, 10:17AM
Am I correct in thinking that company sick pay is the same as what your hourly wage is ? And that stat sick pay is lower at roughly £94 a week ?
Company sick pay is the same as your normal hourly pay , SSP is £94 a week ,, BUT in this case the company will top up your pay to make up for the shortfall ,, that way you will be getting your basic pay in full ,
Can anyone give me advice. My wife is shielding due to health problems. She got a call this week from her manager who said she has to stay off to the end of july. but, has said the way tesco are dealing with this situation has changed. She also got a letter to confirm it. It says there is a change in the way you will be paid, as of the 29th june you will be paid from your company sick pay allowance, and if you have ran out of company sick pay then we will top your statuary sick pay up to your contractual pay. Two days pro rata holiday will also be processed every pay period for the duration of your isolation.
At the beginning of this, my wife was told that she would have to lose two weeks holiday, which to be honest does not make sense, if the government were paying for her, why should she have to lose two weeks holiday.
My wife is very worried that Tesco may get rid of her while on sick pay, or when it is safe to return they may get rid of her.
Hi, as Tesco are considered an essential service along with all the other supermarkets, they are unable to use/take advantage of the government’s furloughed service.
So Tesco are paying the self-isolating colleague’s out of its own money, not the government’s!
So the government is not contributing to your partners pay in anyway shape or form, hence having to take 2 weeks holiday in the 12 week period.
If you are really not happy about having to use the 2 weeks holiday for upto 12 weeks off paid, then I’m sure a nice letter/phone call to the store manager will solve the issue, ie he/she will take back the 12 weeks paid and process it all as unpaid.
As for going forward again Tesco does not have to top up colleagues wages if they have run out of company/SSP however are doing so, and while we all realise it’s not the colleagues fault in anyway shape or form, there has to be some compromise along the way.
It all comes back to supermarkets being classed as essential business/service and therefore cannot take advantage of the furlough service.
Now if they could I’m sure tesco would do so, but colleagues would only have got 80% of wages!
Now your wife’s job/role is not at risk due to her health or because of COVID. So when the government decides it safe for her to return she will be able too, but probably on some sort of support plan.
Really do not know what you are doing on here Morris999, so rude and very unpleasant when people are asking for advce and questions. should be ashamed of yourself
There's government tweets that do say supermarkets can go through furlough, all business types are able to be furloughed, was actually shown on Martin Lewis with mp tweets too, just tesco refuse to do it, tried raising it with them before and they said it was false media that all companies could do it.. They gave the excuse that since they are a vital employer and hiring in the crisis rather than shutting down they were unable to do furlough, later said that if they went through furlough we'd only be paid 80% of contractual wage and we were getting a better deal than what the government was offering (also false since it goes off yearly average / February month wage as a forefront).
So really not sure morris where you get your information but it is however incorrect.
If my wife is forced to carry on isolating past july, she has said that once she returns to work she does not want her holiday entitlement and would like Tesco to take them off her, or if they refuse to take them back, to instead spread them out over two years. She is itching to get back to work and is fed up that Tesco or the government will not allow her.
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 12-06-20, 04:36PM
There's government tweets that do say supermarkets can go through furlough, all business types are able to be furloughed, was actually shown on Martin Lewis with mp tweets too, just tesco refuse to do it, tried raising it with them before and they said it was false media that all companies could do it.. They gave the excuse that since they are a vital employer and hiring in the crisis rather than shutting down they were unable to do furlough, later said that if they went through furlough we'd only be paid 80% of contractual wage and we were getting a better deal than what the government was offering (also false since it goes off yearly average / February month wage as a forefront).
So really not sure morris where you get your information but it is however incorrect.
I'm unsure whether furloughed employees can be paid below the national minimum wage, if Tesco did go down that path, a 20% reduction in wages would put ca's and shift leaders below the current living wage level.
They are allowed to be paid under minimum wage unfortunately, as minimum wage only applies to hours worked, whereas furloughed you aren't working therefore you aren't entitled to atleast minimum wage
Living wage isn't enforceable either, it's a "bonus"
Also for sunshine -
If your wife is extremely, she won't be applied to work until there is far less risk / probably single digits numbers, whole off she'd be using a week of holiday each pay period whole using CSP, (6 weeks each year + 1 week for every year you've worked without using them up to a maximum of 16 weeks), so 10 years would be 10 weeks paid CSP, if you'd been off say 2 weeks in the same year then you'd only get 8 weeks.
You can carry a maximum of 4 weeks over I believe but tesco is saying they aren't following it as they are actively encouraging staff to take their entitlement (so as long as you take the remainder you can just complain and transfer those 4 weeks over if not used and if government complain you put in complaint as they'd lose)
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 12-06-20, 04:36PM
There's government tweets that do say supermarkets can go through furlough, all business types are able to be furloughed, was actually shown on Martin Lewis with mp tweets too, just tesco refuse to do it, tried raising it with them before and they said it was false media that all companies could do it.. They gave the excuse that since they are a vital employer and hiring in the crisis rather than shutting down they were unable to do furlough, later said that if they went through furlough we'd only be paid 80% of contractual wage and we were getting a better deal than what the government was offering (also false since it goes off yearly average / February month wage as a forefront).
So really not sure morris where you get your information but it is however incorrect.
Can you show us Government advice to what you are saying ,, Not just about some web site or tweets , Facts please
Quote from: Morris999 on 12-06-20, 02:09PM
Hi, as Tesco are considered an essential service along with all the other supermarkets, they are unable to use/take advantage of the government’s furloughed service.
So Tesco are paying the self-isolating colleague’s out of its own money, not the government’s!
So the government is not contributing to your partners pay in anyway shape or form, hence having to take 2 weeks holiday in the 12 week period.
If you are really not happy about having to use the 2 weeks holiday for upto 12 weeks off paid, then I’m sure a nice letter/phone call to the store manager will solve the issue, ie he/she will take back the 12 weeks paid and process it all as unpaid.
As for going forward again Tesco does not have to top up colleagues wages if they have run out of company/SSP however are doing so, and while we all realise it’s not the colleagues fault in anyway shape or form, there has to be some compromise along the way.
It all comes back to supermarkets being classed as essential business/service and therefore cannot take advantage of the furlough service.
Now if they could I’m sure tesco would do so, but colleagues would only have got 80% of wages!
Now your wife’s job/role is not at risk due to her health or because of COVID. So when the government decides it safe for her to return she will be able too, but probably on some sort of support plan.
very well said :thumbup: :thumbup: Would go futher and say that if anyone is unhappy with the way they are being paid they can just donate the money they are getting above SSP to charity ,,
I personally think that Tesco have been great in paying over 30,000 staff full wage over these last 3 months , I read that at the start 52 thousand went sick during the first 3 weeks ,
@ sunshine,
I’ve nothing to be ashamed of whatsoever.
You asked a question, I answered it.
Just because you may have not liked the answer doesn’t mean it was rude or unpleasant.
As for what I’m doing on here, I’ve just as much right as the next person, as long as I follow the sites guidelines.
If you think what I put was rude and unpleasant then you should read what a lot of others have put on here over the last year, that will really open your eyes.
Now so I don’t upset you or come across as rude or unpleasant in the future, I’ll refrain from answering any more of your posts:)
@ oldfashionplayer, I got my information from when it was first released from the government back in March.
Now if the governments scheme has been expanded or changed since they initially announced it, then yes I’m wrong and apologise for giving incorrect information regarding which businesses can furlough there staff.
However when they first announced it, they did say it was for businesses that couldn’t/would struggle to pay there staff because of the lockdown and those businesses were now at risk of administration and staff at risk of redundancy due to it.
Which as we both know didn’t include the supermarkets or other essential workers as they were required to stay open/work, and were effectively having Christmas sales every day,
While rushing to take on extra colleagues to meet demand.
Not only that Tesco said and have continued to say that no jobs will be lost due to Covid.
So wouldn’t have fit into that initial briefing/statement.
Like I said if it has since been expanded/changed or clarified in the months since then then again I apologise for giving the wrong information.
However it doesn’t change the fact that Tesco is not furloughing it colleagues onto the governments scheme and has instead with agreement from Usdaw decided to pay all colleagues their full contracted wage whether they are isolating for 7 days, 14 days or upto now 14 weeks.
Yes some colleagues are losing out if they are on flexible contracts and did lots of overtime beforehand and yes some colleagues are going to lose out in the future with planned operations if they end up using all or large amounts of company sick pay going forward.
I’m sure Leigh Day will be contacting colleagues in the coming months to bring another law suit against Tesco for not furloughing it’s colleagues and making them use holiday and CSP during the current circumstances.:).
I will be honest after 12 weeks of constantly being abused by customers, having no support from the police when called upon and this week colleagues partners coming into store and verbally and physically abusing myself and other colleagues because their partners either cannot come to work, are having to take unpaid after 29th June and they think they should continue to be fully paid indefinitely or have had to take holiday in the 12 weeks,I’ve had enough.
I will say I cannot fault my SM or SD, however large parts of the public and government services on the other hand is a different matter.
This me me me society that has arisen over the least 20 years is a disgrace.
So, say for ten years, does that restart each financial year. so say if she had one week off last year, would that be carried over to this year, or does this year start afresh. does not apply to my wife as she does not have time off, but just wondering for others
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 12-06-20, 05:53PM
They are allowed to be paid under minimum wage unfortunately, as minimum wage only applies to hours worked, whereas furloughed you aren't working therefore you aren't entitled to atleast minimum wage
Living wage isn't enforceable either, it's a "bonus"
Also for sunshine -
If your wife is extremely, she won't be applied to work until there is far less risk / probably single digits numbers, whole off she'd be using a week of holiday each pay period whole using CSP, (6 weeks each year + 1 week for every year you've worked without using them up to a maximum of 16 weeks), so 10 years would be 10 weeks paid CSP, if you'd been off say 2 weeks in the same year then you'd only get 8 weeks.
You can carry a maximum of 4 weeks over I believe but tesco is saying they aren't following it as they are actively encouraging staff to take their entitlement (so as long as you take the remainder you can just complain and transfer those 4 weeks over if not used and if government complain you put in complaint as they'd lose)
No , it resets to a minimum of 6wks on your anniversary of starting Tesco but I think you need to be 2yrs sick free to restart your full entitlement.
Quote from: sunshineman on 12-06-20, 09:50PM
So, say for ten years, does that restart each financial year. so say if she had one week off last year, would that be carried over to this year, or does this year start afresh. does not apply to my wife as she does not have time off, but just wondering for others
not sure how your wife doesn't have time off? thought everyone was required by law to have some holidays? -
QuotePolicy bit for stores For all colleagues up to and including Senior Team & for Band D, E, F-H Store Managers and Work Level 2 Managers:
After 6 years’ service, the number of paid days’ sick leave you took in the previous year will be deducted from your new
year’s sickness allowance. However, once you’ve built up a six week allowance it becomes your ‘fall back’ position - this
means that regardless of the amount of paid sick leave you take in any year you will always be eligible for a minimum of six
weeks sick pay each year going forward.
To these six weeks, an additional week is added for each year of service, up to a maximum of 16 weeks’ sick allowance. If
you’ve got the maximum allowance and take any time off sick, the 16 weeks reduces by the amount of time taken, and you
then qualify in future years for the additional one week each year until you reach the maximum 16 weeks again.
store managers etc have 26 weeks sick pay of full pay.
So as stated doesn't have a 2 year sickfree for restarting since it's a fallback position, so if you went from 10 weeks, had 6 weeks off, next year you'd be back to 6, if you didnt have any sick weeks then the year after you'd be on 7 etc
Quote from: Morris999 on 12-06-20, 02:09PM
Hi, as Tesco are considered an essential service along with all the other supermarkets, they are unable to use/take advantage of the government’s furloughed service.
So Tesco are paying the self-isolating colleague’s out of its own money, not the government’s!
So the government is not contributing to your partners pay in anyway shape or form, hence having to take 2 weeks holiday in the 12 week period.
If you are really not happy about having to use the 2 weeks holiday for upto 12 weeks off paid, then I’m sure a nice letter/phone call to the store manager will solve the issue, ie he/she will take back the 12 weeks paid and process it all as unpaid.
As for going forward again Tesco does not have to top up colleagues wages if they have run out of company/SSP however are doing so, and while we all realise it’s not the colleagues fault in anyway shape or form, there has to be some compromise along the way.
It all comes back to supermarkets being classed as essential business/service and therefore cannot take advantage of the furlough service.
Now if they could I’m sure tesco would do so, but colleagues would only have got 80% of wages!
Now your wife’s job/role is not at risk due to her health or because of COVID. So when the government decides it safe for her to return she will be able too, but probably on some sort of support plan.
Those of us who have remained in work have had to take existing holiday. Loads of people have not wanted to do this. They want holiday when they can go away, not when they can't do anything and stay at home. The company has said that we need holidays to continue, we can't come out of this with not enough year for ever bodies holidays but more than that people just need time out. Some have argued this but have come back to work saying that they feel better for having it and it was needed.
During this twelve week period under normal times you would have had holiday. Ongoing you are still in a time where holiday would have been used and if it works out as using one day a month for the length of time someone is off it balances things, no holidays having to be added in at the time when people come back to work.
As someone who is extremely vulnerable there will not be that big holiday abroad this year, possibly not yet. As an extremely vulnerable person there is strong advice on what you can or can't do so if you come back to work and it generates holiday you will probably only be able to stay at home anyway.
I agree with the above post, it's blunt but realistic. This is costing the whole country a fortune and even if our company was not paying for all this time off its still us paying as tax payers so expecting those who get to stay home to use holidays they should be using in this period I think is a sensible way to go. We are going to come out of this in a bleak way, off the company and the country. The news is all about the impact on business, the the country in huge debt and as a worker, a tax payer and a householder who has to balance my own household budget I want things to be the best they can be. I don't want my taxes to go up to pay for some who has had to shield during all of this to take extra holiday when the time comes when the rest of us can't.
Times are tough, for all of us. We all need to do our bit and I think this is a reasonable thing to ask.
You don't have to take the holidays though, it's quite clear in the government advice (even if tosco are saying they ain't doing it), it's a legal thing now that you can carry over 4 weeks, also some weren't allowed to return, just get called to say "come back on 29th", told to stay off or face chance of being sent home for conditions they have. Some didn't even book any holidays within that period, so shouldn't of needed to use any, should if been forefronted by the company since they refused to furlough when they could.
Well that’s great, been off for 12 weeks went back to work on Friday, and now I’m running a temperature and feel like c**p, stores are joke for social distancing! Customers are ignorant f***s and staff at the much better, nightshift stuffing every aisle with cages Make if social distancing impossible. Thanks Tesco
The larger thing to think about is , Have you booked a test to if you have the Virus , and if you have it how you got it since you have only been back for 2 days , go get tested be safe ,,
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 13-06-20, 01:43PM
You don't have to take the holidays though, it's quite clear in the government advice (even if tosco are saying they ain't doing it), it's a legal thing now that you can carry over 4 weeks, also some weren't allowed to return, just get called to say "come back on 29th", told to stay off or face chance of being sent home for conditions they have. Some didn't even book any holidays within that period, so shouldn't of needed to use any, should if been forefronted by the company since they refused to furlough when they could.
Nothing in UK law says that a company can not force you to take your holidays , and any pre booked holidays do not have to be canceled , A company can pre book any holidays by giving you notice which Tesco has done ,
as to you being able to carry 4 weeks , it does not mean they have to do that , if what you say was true the Union would have been first to shout it out
please direct us to which law says other wise ,
I thought you were only allowed to carry over holidays if you were long term sick and not back for end of holiday year .
The government has relaxed the regulations this year, so that if an employee is unable to take their 28 statutory holidays this year they can carry over 4 weeks worth into the next 2 years.
I will point out though it’s 4 weeks statutory holiday that can be carried over, not the extra that Tesco give as a benefit!
So if you have worked for Tesco for 15 years and are contracted 5 days per week, you would be entitled to 38 days holidays each year, made up of 20 days statutory holiday, 8 days statutory bank holiday and 10 days long service holiday.( yes I’m ignoring the personal day as part of this)
So while Tesco is trying to ensure every colleague takes their entitlement this holiday year, I’d be very careful how much you do not take this year if your planning on being crafty and trying to carry it over without agreement with your manager.
As I’m sure if you take at least the 28 days, Tesco will probably see it as meeting it legal requirements for colleagues taking holiday and then not carry over the long service days.
I’m aware of multiple colleagues trying it on over the years, and none have been successful in carrying over the long service holidays, as everyone of them has deliberately cancelled holidays at the last minute in March thinking they are being clever.
https://www.xperthr.co.uk/faq/can-unused-statutory-annual-holiday-be-carried-forward-to-the-next-holiday-year/80067/ (https://www.xperthr.co.uk/faq/can-unused-statutory-annual-holiday-be-carried-forward-to-the-next-holiday-year/80067/)
QuoteThe Court of Appeal in NHS Leeds v Larner [2012] IRLR 825 CA held that the Working Time Regulations 1998 could be interpreted, in accordance with the case law of the ECJ, to allow carry-over of the four weeks' entitlement under reg.13 if a worker was unable or unwilling to take it because they were on sick leave. In Plumb v Duncan Print Group Ltd [2015] IRLR 711 EAT, the Employment Appeal Tribunal held that, where annual leave is carried over in these circumstances, it must be taken within 18 months of the end of the year in which it accrues.
Quote from: notsofunny on 13-06-20, 06:57PM
Nothing in UK law says that a company can not force you to take your holidays , and any pre booked holidays do not have to be canceled , A company can pre book any holidays by giving you notice which Tesco has done ,
as to you being able to carry 4 weeks , it does not mean they have to do that , if what you say was true the Union would have been first to shout it out
please direct us to which law says other wise ,
QuoteWorkers who have not taken all of their statutory annual leave entitlement due to COVID-19 will now be able to carry it over into the next 2 leave years, under measures introduced by Business Secretary Alok Sharma today (Friday 27 March).
Currently, almost all workers are entitled to 28 days holiday including bank holidays each year. However, most of this entitlement cannot be
carried between leave years, meaning workers lose their holiday if they do not take it
From the gov website...on working time regulations 2020, you have to still take some but you can Carry over if you've for example been forced off etc though if your work is struggling then the chances are you can use this too... They can try to make sure you take some.. But can't force you to be off then have 0 remaining for rest of the year.. If they can show they can actually accommodate the holidays in other areas that both you and your employer agree on then that would be sufficient, they need to be spread out though not all at once...
Quote from: Nomad on 13-06-20, 09:51PM
https://www.xperthr.co.uk/faq/can-unused-statutory-annual-holiday-be-carried-forward-to-the-next-holiday-year/80067/ (https://www.xperthr.co.uk/faq/can-unused-statutory-annual-holiday-be-carried-forward-to-the-next-holiday-year/80067/)
QuoteThe Court of Appeal in NHS Leeds v Larner [2012] IRLR 825 CA held that the Working Time Regulations 1998 could be interpreted, in accordance with the case law of the ECJ, to allow carry-over of the four weeks' entitlement under reg.13 if a worker was unable or unwilling to take it because they were on sick leave. In Plumb v Duncan Print Group Ltd [2015] IRLR 711 EAT, the Employment Appeal Tribunal held that, where annual leave is carried over in these circumstances, it must be taken within 18 months of the end of the year in which it accrues.
Surely though there is a difference between being unable to take your holidays and refusing to take your holidays , if it came to a tribunal? It'll be interesting to see if anyone challenges this , I personally believe they're being very fair but reading some comments here obviously not everyone does .
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 13-06-20, 10:17PM
Quote from: notsofunny on 13-06-20, 06:57PM
Nothing in UK law says that a company can not force you to take your holidays , and any pre booked holidays do not have to be canceled , A company can pre book any holidays by giving you notice which Tesco has done ,
as to you being able to carry 4 weeks , it does not mean they have to do that , if what you say was true the Union would have been first to shout it out
please direct us to which law says other wise ,
QuoteWorkers who have not taken all of their statutory annual leave entitlement due to COVID-19 will now be able to carry it over into the next 2 leave years, under measures introduced by Business Secretary Alok Sharma today (Friday 27 March).
Currently, almost all workers are entitled to 28 days holiday including bank holidays each year. However, most of this entitlement cannot be
carried between leave years, meaning workers lose their holiday if they do not take it
From the gov website...on working time regulations 2020, you have to still take some but you can Carry over if you've for example been forced off etc though if your work is struggling then the chances are you can use this too... They can try to make sure you take some.. But can't force you to be off then have 0 remaining for rest of the year.. If they can show they can actually accommodate the holidays in other areas that both you and your employer agree on then that would be sufficient, they need to be spread out though not all at once...
That still does not say that Tesco or any other company can not force you to take holidays including those that you have pre booked , And it is talking about any holiday weeks/days that have not been taken being carried forward , as it stands you will still have holiday days remining after the 29th ,
Remember Tesco is also only going to take 2 days off your holidays in July and any holidays you have booked so they are staying with in the Law ,
Also has what Tesco has done or doing not been agreed with the Unions ? and if it has would the Unions not have looked at the law before agreeing with what Tesco is doing ?
Do you think Tesco should have just put everyone company sick pay then when that ran out onto SSP without toping it up ?
Quote from: Welshie on 14-06-20, 12:08AM
Quote from: Nomad on 13-06-20, 09:51PM
https://www.xperthr.co.uk/faq/can-unused-statutory-annual-holiday-be-carried-forward-to-the-next-holiday-year/80067/ (https://www.xperthr.co.uk/faq/can-unused-statutory-annual-holiday-be-carried-forward-to-the-next-holiday-year/80067/)
QuoteThe Court of Appeal in NHS Leeds v Larner [2012] IRLR 825 CA held that the Working Time Regulations 1998 could be interpreted, in accordance with the case law of the ECJ, to allow carry-over of the four weeks' entitlement under reg.13 if a worker was unable or unwilling to take it because they were on sick leave. In Plumb v Duncan Print Group Ltd [2015] IRLR 711 EAT, the Employment Appeal Tribunal held that, where annual leave is carried over in these circumstances, it must be taken within 18 months of the end of the year in which it accrues.
Surely though there is a difference between being unable to take your holidays and refusing to take your holidays , if it came to a tribunal? It'll be interesting to see if anyone challenges this , I personally believe they're being very fair but reading some comments here obviously not everyone does .
So this ECJ is talking about 4 weeks only not any other weeks or days that a person could have in the contract , and that is if these holidays could not be taken if the person was sick during the time they were supposed to be on holiday , But it does not say anything about what it would mean if someone has been paid for the holidays , which is the case with Tesco and other supermarkets and company's have been paying during the Virus , Then the next point would be that those that are off during the 12 weeks have not been classed as sick so how would that stand in regards to this ECJ ? We have to remember that case law is only in regards to that case , and how a court would rule on how Tesco and others have dealt with the Virus is another thing if it came to court ,
I also stop to think , would Tesco and the Unions have agreed to this if the Law did not allow for it ?
Holidays in July? Wording originally was 2 weeks given, then in the briefing packs. It's used by colleagues, so if you had already got the 2 weeks booked between march and June 29th then no more would be taken from you, after 29th it depends on extremely or clinically of whether you use more or your forced to use some.
I doubt Union knows of it, if they did know that you'd be discriminated against then they would come under fire once it gets out to the news (and it will)
Tesco should of put people on furlough, if they had to make redundancy after then fair enough, most would take it to begin with, but most would also be paid 1.5x to 2x their contract wage as it would go off their actual earnings, so overtime would be included.
Also In regards to forced, they'd have to give double the notice, so 1 week off you'd need 2 weeks notice, 2 weeks off you'd need 4 weeks notice etc, and as for furlough it has to be agreed by manager and colleague for the usage of the holidays.
Also would be quite arguable in a court or tribunal for taking holidays, you can't have the excuse of "I can't go on holiday this year", but if say at the start with the *full* lockdown, you'd be able to argue you can't fully enjoy the rest time, as you can't go out anywhere, your rest period is there for you to take a break, so could easily be argued that you couldn't relax in that situation. You'd also be able to carry over if there isn't enough people to cover your shifts.
Thanks for taking the time to reply , But sorry to say that you just seem to be making things up as you see it , It just could be me but you seem to ignore what is asked and then jump to something else you have made up ,
Thanks anyways
I was responding to you and your post, though I guess if government advice or acas advice etc isn't something that you seem to be correct then feel free to follow your own way I guess.... Though plenty of information out there that will back it up.... But no worries.
I really don't see the fuss over the holidays. Those in work are being asked to continue to take holiday as they need time out from work. Those that are not in work are being asked to use holidays earned in the period that they are off.
Nobody can do much during a holiday from work. If extremely vulnerable doing things that you would normally do with your time are off limits, unless you book two weeks off to do the garden. If you want to visit family, you can't. If you want to go abroad you can't. You are being shielded because you are extremely vulnerable so normal life for you will be a long time coming.
If extremely vulnerable the normal rules do not apply. You do get paid sick from day one. You do get your pay topped up if you run out of sick. You are only being asked to use the holidays you have earned in this period and you have not earned them by being in work, you have earned them by being paid to be at home. I fully agree with people being paid to be shielded. I fully support them being off. The however is that all of this is costing a fortune and there is not a bottomless pit. I think that there needs to be some sort of reality check on this. I don't think it matters who pays for all this, as in company of govenerment because in the end it's us. If it's the company it's us and we are feeling the cost cutting in store with reduced overtime. If it's the government it's us as it will come out of taxes and we are all going to end up paying more anyway.
There is no such thing as free money. I think this debate should change to who pays as in redundancies or reduced overtime or taxes. I personally vote that those who who are shielded use the holidays they have earned during the time at home over reduction in hours or increased taxes. I would rather not have people's holiday pay added to my taxes.
Quote from: notsofunny on 13-06-20, 06:38PM
The larger thing to think about is , Have you booked a test to if you have the Virus , and if you have it how you got it since you have only been back for 2 days , go get tested be safe ,,
I live in country side and no one close, in fact for 2 weeks before returning to work not seen anyone, so only place I’ve been is work or home
@Redshoes , I totally agree with you and dont see what all the fuss is about . It's a perfectly reasonable requirement to getting 4 weeks paid .
Do you know what happens if an employee has run out of ssp , I know it's rare but it does happen .
Quote from: dotnochance on 13-06-20, 03:05PM
Well that’s great, been off for 12 weeks went back to work on Friday, and now I’m running a temperature and feel like c**p, stores are joke for social distancing! Customers are ignorant f***s and staff at the much better, nightshift stuffing every aisle with cages Make if social distancing impossible. Thanks Tesco
You had to put up with it for one day. The rest of us have had to deal with this s*** for 12 weeks.
Quote from: dotnochance on 14-06-20, 09:58AM
Quote from: notsofunny on 13-06-20, 06:38PM
The larger thing to think about is , Have you booked a test to if you have the Virus , and if you have it how you got it since you have only been back for 2 days , go get tested be safe ,,
I live in country side and no one close, in fact for 2 weeks before returning to work not seen anyone, so only place I’ve been is work or home
Did you not ay you had been back only 2 days ? I am not sure but that would seem to be a bit fast in you getting the Virus from work , and still I say get tested ,
Quote from: oldfashionedplayer on 14-06-20, 03:25AM
I was responding to you and your post, though I guess if government advice or acas advice etc isn't something that you seem to be correct then feel free to follow your own way I guess.... Though plenty of information out there that will back it up.... But no worries.
You seem to take Government ADVICE and make it into law , Like you said before you even talk about tweets yet cant show them , You take Things that say CAN and make it sound as if it means they HAVE to , Your good at twisting words but not replying to something directly , Read back and see for your self that you never directly reply back to what is asked , and when you cant answer something you miss it out and change subjects ,
Like you said But no Worries ,,
I’m currently in the extremely vulnerable category so I’ve been extended off work. While I’m incredibly grateful to be paied while all of this is going on, there’s only one thing that worry’s me, as part of my condition I have a low immune system, I’m worried that when I do return to work I’ll catch germs (understandable with not mixing with people for a long time) if I do need to be off I will have used all of my sick pay. I’m trying not to think about it at the moment it is something that I thought of when I found out how my pay was being coded
Yeah there doesn't seem to be anything in the packs or the recent updates that says what happens if you do go off sick after using your CSP, I'd assume they'd go by statutory sick pay? Though isn't much to begin with.. They could be generous and top it up from Ssp to basic pay of the difference? Though you may still have some holidays so that could factor in? Or you could request that you work some extra shifts when your back for it? Sickness policy does say with it that it's a possible option to make the time back up if your sick on a shift.. Done that previously but unfortunately no experience after using all csp.. Maybe try your union rep?
Yeah was thinking of contacting the union. The ones in my store sadly are in the back pocket of the management so I’d need to go out of store to do so. The problem with working the time back is running yourself down again and the cycle repeats. Hopefully I’ll be fine but it’s always just a thought in the back of my mind.
The sick pay is limited, it is what it is. However, the company has said they will pay from day one and not three. They have also said when it runs out they will top up for all those shielding. The extremely vulnerable shielding people are not work. What has been worked out now it what is needed now. Going down the line for them coming down the line and coming back to work then going off with a normal sick has not fully been worked out yet but we are not at that stage yet. Raise this with the union, that is the right thing to do to ensure it is being looked into. I expect it is but that nobody wants to be the first person to have to experience this.
Quote from: Started2008 on 15-06-20, 02:14PM
I’m currently in the extremely vulnerable category so I’ve been extended off work. While I’m incredibly grateful to be paied while all of this is going on, there’s only one thing that worry’s me, as part of my condition I have a low immune system, I’m worried that when I do return to work I’ll catch germs (understandable with not mixing with people for a long time) if I do need to be off I will have used all of my sick pay. I’m trying not to think about it at the moment it is something that I thought of when I found out how my pay was being coded
Unfortunately from what I have been told and you have said , Those that are extremely vulnerable will be using up what Company sick pay they have from the 29th ,after which SSP Kicks in being toped up by the company , which in turn means that if you go sick any time after you have come back to work , you will only be getting SSP which is about £95 a week and no top up , I would think that the company is thinking about how long this goes on , and how long they can go on paying full pay as they will already have paid you for over 4 months , remember even the SSP you get is paid by the company not the Government , so unless the company changes its stand this is how it will be sadly ,,
Seems all those that are Shielding have to be back to work from the 1st August if Tesco agree , which I would say they will , Yet some that I have spoken to would have liked to get back sooner , but at least it gives them time to get fit again :)
They could of paid staff like other companies, through furlough, just better for them to make cuts in the long run, though it does say in the management documents for contacting vulnerable and extremely vulnerable and whatnot that it's topped up by tesco to your contractual wage? So I dunno with their wording, thought it meant the same...
Though govuk says "The Coronavirus Statutory Sick Pay Rebate Scheme will repay employers the Statutory Sick Pay paid to current or former employees"
So they won't be charging tesco long
Tesco have nos ay in it. Government say if your criticly extremely vulnerable you have to stay ay home shielding
I think while Tesco have been great about this situation, the Government need to do a lot of thinking. They are saying those who have been shiedling can go back to work from the beginning of August. However, these people have not left their property and now they are being asked to go back to work. They have to take into account that these people have been told you are at serious risk, but although now the risk has reduced, these people are very worried.
I know a few people who are worried about returning to work. A couple of them are thinking of going on the sick, while another one has said they would prefer to resign than put their life on the line. No one has thought about the mental health of these people, and how they have struggled all these months. Instead, the government are putting it on bosses toes to sort out, which is not really right.
Sunshineman
Exactly
Also not all shielding letters were sent the same time as I've said before my shielding ends 20th July not end of June
I've a respitary issue plus severe asthmatic
Put into shielding for protection. Manager is saying I'm not vulnerable
Guidelines have not changed
As of yesterday the government gave shielding people a mention of end of July maybe August
My Dr is treating me as a cronavirus patient that did not need hospital
I've had contact from a government official because of shielding. Their advice get a letter from Dr to get the date on shielding letter to be covered
I've contacted union they have said to have a sick note. Manager said I've no sick left
Manager seems is making up their own things as she went along
When will tesco get managers with common sense
Tesco is not my only job. I'm a domaciliary worker .
I got a letter this morning from the NHS. It says I can return to work from the 1st August, but only if my place of work is "covid-safe".
Does anyone know if Tesco's have this accreditation ?
If you return to work look after your own safety, if customers or other staff are invading your space remove yourself (and a like minded colleague if possible) to a place of safety.
If you don't look out for yourself no one else will.
Quote from: Nomad on 23-06-20, 11:33AM
If you return to work look after your own safety, if customers or other staff are invading your space remove yourself (and a like minded colleague if possible) to a place of safety.
If you don't look out for yourself no one else will.
My wife returns on 1st August and she is not worred, but I have spoken to other people who are returning to work and they are worried. They have said that Tesco have made it safe, but because they have not been in work, how do they know it is 100% covid safe. I think this has been a hard time for many, and those who are returning to work it will be emotional for them on the first day as they are returning to the unknown. But, after the first day I think they will feel better.
Tesco do get a lot of bad press by staff and rightly so. I could go on about there being too many managers and how some managers like to think they are in a magic act by disapearing, but when it has come to COVID-19, I think Tesco should be applauded.
From what I’ve read on the gov website, it says as long as there is not a significant rise in COVID 19 cases then the shielding program will be paused on 31st of July, and those that are shielding will be able to return to work from 1st august if there place of work is COVID safe, and practice strict social distancing.
Now what COVID safe looks like is anyone’s guess at this time.
However no place will ever be able to be 100% COVID free until the virus is completely eradicated, and it will be something that we all will have to learn to live with.
My wife has just received her letter and to be honest I am really confused. She is looking forward to going to work and they are saying if the workplace is covid safe then she can return to work. Now nowhere can really be 100% covid safe, but supermarkets is one of the most used places available. So, how can a supermarket be covid safe.
I know understand why some people are talking about taking unpaid leave until they feel safe, and why some people are saying they are going to see about going on the sick, and others saying they are going to leave Tesco, Asda, and Sainsbury. It is not the supermarkets fault, lets just be clear on that. I think what is needed is, for the government to invest in paying for all those that have been shiedling to receive a phone call to put their minds at ease, and for the government to talk to those working in supermarkets and other high footfall places on the daily briefing and put their minds at ease.
People want to return to work, and they want to return to Tesco but they need to have their minds put at ease
It does seem that in some stores customer and staff control are somewhat lacking. Any people returning to work who were off because they were classed as seriously vulnerable should be supported by MM and other staff if they have the need to seek safer surroundings for a genuine reason, i.e. being crowded.
I have just read the letter that came out this morning , and it seems very clear as to what to do , It explains what you was allowed to do from the 1st June and how you was to do it ,
It then tells you about the changes from the 6th July and who you are allowed to meet up with , which is on top of the other advice everyone else has got on social distancing , staying in each others homes and so on ,,
From the 1st August it explains what to do ,, which is the same as what they said for those that went back to work on the 12/15th June ,
The stores are already Covid ,safe (according to Tesco ) so as such meet the rules ,
Going forward the same rules will apply for those shielding as they do for the rest , like the 2mt distancing ,or 1mt if they change it
It even tells you to talk to the company you work for to talk over your situation and plan things as well as a website to go on too look up about going back to work
as well as giving you contact details about people or services you could need ,
It makes sense that you have got 6 weeks to get used to going out and mixing with other after such a long time with the end result that you will feel more comfortable returning to work ,
Remember things could change again if the Virus rate goes up again , but at the moment the Virus rate is lower than when we went into lock down or so I understand it ,
Quote from: Nomad on 23-06-20, 02:15PM
It does seem that in some stores customer and staff control are somewhat lacking. Any people returning to work who were off because they were classed as seriously vulnerable should be supported by MM and other staff if they have the need to seek safer surroundings for a genuine reason, i.e. being crowded.
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I think you have made a very important point , those returning will need the support of Fellow staff member's foremost
returning to work with support from fellow staff.....
There lies the problem,
with the amount of comments on social media and here about the shielding people either extremely or just vulnerable apparently having the life of riley
in the hot weather whilst others begrudgingly had to work risking their life etc etc
I can here the snide comments on first day from here
I imagine it will depend on how much their colleagues know about their illnesses . Yes they have the right to privacy but I think the colleagues who refuse to say what made extremely vulnerable, wont be given much support as people dont know what's wrong with them and wont understand how nervous they are of the affect covid-19 could have on that illness .
im afraid your right .
Even them knowing you must have something wrong to be allowed to be off wont be good enough with the
local "health experts" that everyone will be instore
For my circumstances its slightly different, my other half works in the same store and has a terminal diagnosis which colleagues all know about, he can't wait to get back to work. I think he misses the banter but I'm not keen and want him to take a lifestyle break. But I honestly think that our openness about his condition meant that before I took a lifestyle break to protect him, people understood why I was cleaning everything in pfs, and spraying antibacterial spray everywhere. If I'd kept his diagnosis secret, they'd just have thought I was crazy.
Hiya Update on shielding.
In my store some vulnerable staff have been advised by Tesco managers in my store to return by 29th June as they are going by government guidelines. I just don't know where to start, all the information given to me of my personal shielding was all wrong and made up. I have since received a letter shielding me until 1st Aug.
After I return I will be putting in a grievance of bullying. I live in a town with 3 Tesco, the one I work in is conducting shielding differently.
Just a rant.
I’ve had staff calling me whilst I’m away to complain about the handling (mishandling?) of their shielding. Some were told they had to come back before the 29th. One who did so now has coronavirus symptoms and gone off sick, and has been told it will be unpaid as Tesco no longer have to follow the government advice. Doesn’t ring true.. surely the person should at least get regular sick pay
No one that has a Shielding letter has been asked to go back , only those that said they had a letter but could not produce it , and if they have a Shielding letter then they do not go back till the 1st August at the earliest , ( and rumor going around is that they could be about to extend that by 2 weeks so those returning can slowly ease back in to work )
As to Sick pay I am not to sure Tesco has to pay full sick pay only SSP ,
In my store that might be part of their issue. I was told I had to go back I produced the letter I refused to return,
I was told I had no more sick left. I've been in Tesco for 20 yrs.
So you telling me I'm being bullied again.
I wouldn't wait until you return to put in a grievance for bullying...do it straight away, then let them sweat. There's no guarantee they won't keep hassling everybody, and the meeker may succumb and go back risking their health.
As for any snide comments on returning...just apologise to them for not being considered healthy enough to risk your life, so that they could have help filling a shelf...or serving on checkouts...oh, and the tan was free, caught from your open window, or if you're a lucky one, the confines of your outside space.
As for any snide comments on returning...just apologise to them for not being considered healthy enough to risk your life, so that they could have help filling a shelf...or serving on checkouts...oh, and the tan was free, caught from your open window, or if you're a lucky one, the confines of your outside space.
‘WELL BLOODY SAID’ 👍
Quote from: miriam on 27-06-20, 08:01AM
In my store that might be part of their issue. I was told I had to go back I produced the letter I refused to return,
I was told I had no more sick left. I've been in Tesco for 20 yrs.
So you telling me I'm being bullied again.
I and at least 4 others have explained things to you before on the Blog ,yet you still keep ignoring it ,
Go back to the answers you got before ,
You keep talking about a letter , so you was asked what the letter said , Remember it was explained to you what type of letter you should have ,
Remember again if they have told you that you have no more sick left it could mean that you have used it all up over the last year before this virus came along ,
Last thing Have you Got a New letter from the NHS in the last 10 day to say you are to Shield till the 31st July ?
I am here looking for support
I do read answers
Like I've said the managers and my HR are ignoring my letters
Yes I've a new one
Before I was told I wouldn't need to be contacted as I've produced a letter with dates on
Still I'm told I will be contacted to go through OH
So plz I live alone no family near me
So hope notsofunny can take this into account
I am moaning at the lack of right information from managers HR in my store
Ok
I also hope if anyone else is experiencing thisvtypecof management it helps them
Every one has tried to support you , even told you what to do , yet you still come back to the same thing , Dates was explained to you as well about the 12 week thing ,
If you had read the answers you would have seen everyone has told you what to do , as well as asking you what type of letter you have yet you still will not say if it says to Shield , I have even just asked you if you have had a letter that says you are to SHIELD till the 31 July , yet you just say that you have a letter ,
I do Understand your situation as do many others that live alone , and you can only help your self by reading the advice and reply to what everyone has asked you ,
All the best ,
@Miriam , ask your manager to send you a link to the online occupational health questionnaire, fill it in . You will get a reply telling you either a)to return to work , b) you'll be contacted to return to work once precautions put in place or c) you are to continue to shield . The same info will be sent to store manager , if it is to continue to shield the company will make up your sick pay .
Am asking on behalf of a colleague.....
She's just been told that because she's pregnant that she may now have to go off and isolate by our manager....yet she's been working non stop through all of this.....is this correct? As it came completely out of the blue being told this. Any links would be muchly appreciated. Thanks in advance
All pregnant colleagues are not to work until further notice, that includes colleagues who were pregnant at the start of the COVID lockdown and any colleagues who have become pregnant since.
It came down in the June COVID vulnerable colleagues update, I believe it’s on our Tesco/help centre.
All these colleagues will be paid in full, but will take 2 days holiday per pay period from June.
It will be reviewed every 4 weeks, and the current thinking in stores is that they will be back from 1st August with the extremely vulnerable(shielding) colleagues.
If your manager has known for weeks/months that she’s pregnant, then shame on your manager as it’s been made quite clear since March that pregnant colleagues are not allowed to work at all even if they want too.
If your friend has only just told your manager that’s she pregnant then the manager has done the right thing.
Hiya
Who has put in place the ones with shielding have to go through OH
Is it main office, HR or store manager???
If u have a shielding letter simple
who ever has put in place need to be accountable for wrong government guidelines being practiced
The new measures have come down from Head Office. Only Vulnerable colleagues are supposed to go down this route, Extremely Vulnerable colleagues don't.
All the information can be found on 'colleague help'.
Miriam,
Currently only vulnerable colleagues(12 week self-isolation)have the choice to go through OH, And by choice I mean their choice, however if the colleague refuses to go down the OH route then they are expected to return to work immediately or take some form of unpaid leave.
This was all agreed by HO with the Union.
It’s all on college help centre.
Now extremely vulnerable colleagues(shielding and have actually had a shielding letter stating they have been identified as someone who is clinically extremely vulnerable and should follow the government shielding guidance)do not have to go through OH at this time, they should have also received a second letter dated 22nd June from the Department of Health & Social Care signed by. Att Hancock stating the current updated government advice for them.
Now with current government guidance stating the shielding advice will be paused on 1st August, the thinking in stores are they will probably be referred through OH nearer the time, but are not to do so currently.
Stores are currently waiting on the first 4 weekly review/update for extremely vulnerable/pregnant colleagues which we are expecting by end of the week.
Morris 999
Thanku
I've my shielding letter dated 22nd June
My phone appointment is this afternoon at 3.30
Hi all, Has anyone seen any up to date info on what happens for those still shielding, ie the extremely clinical vulnerable? I know that from the 29th June we moved onto company sick pay (or SSP topped up) and that it was to be reviewed every four weeks. The only further info I can find is government advice that shielding may be paused from 31st July but those shielding should still continue to exercise caution with regard to social distancing etc. How does that tally with going back to work, especially so given that Tesco seems to be lifting some of the measures necessary to keep staff and customers safe! Don’t get me wrong, I am looking forward to going back to work (and out from under my wife’s feet 😂) but I am concerned that I might be throwing myself into an unsafe environment. Have Tesco given any further advice to their extremely clinical vulnerable staff that I have missed? Or when are they likely to do so?
My husband has heard nothing either , on the advice of his oncologist he will not be returning to work in August regardless of what Tesco plan for the extremely vulnerable is. I'm sure under the circumstances it will not be difficult to take unpaid leave although obviously not an option for everyone.
It still seems strange to me that government guidelines are only mix with one household who must also adhere to strict social distancing and then 1st August, off you go into the world and mix with everyone but try to keep 1+ metres apart ! I expected a more gradual easing for shielding group .
I also openly admit that my husband and I have possibly quite become paranoid after 16wks of not going out .
From what I understand
Tesco jumped the gun and put own twist on things
If the shielding ends and u Still need to b off then a sick note u will need ssp will be put in place
Your Dr will support this
The government leave shielderrs till last min to assess. People think the date given is the end for shielders it's not
I've had covid19 and have been left with health issues. The health issues are being investigated
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-
It says to go back to work from the 31st , Most if not all support ends ,
Work from home if you can ,, (which is the same advice for everyone else since lockdown ended ,)
It says that so long as your work place is covid compliant , (And if I am correct in thinking this is the same thing it told all those that went back during June )
That is along with all the advice that goes with what every one else has been given ,
From my understanding of what I have been TOLD OR HEARD , Those going back from the 1st Aug will be able to stager coming back ,Take Unpaid leave ,a life style break , and so on just like what was offered to others ,
Taking sick is a option Company sick if you have any left , other wise on SSP ,
Every thing they are doing is according to Government advice and agreement with the Unions,
I think I have said before that I have HEARD that Tesco could be about to say that they will add another 2 weeks off sick including SSP and top up after the 31st ,( But like I said its something I heard a few weeks ago)
Thanks notsofunny , good to know lifestyle break is an option with little hassle . He wouldn't go sick as atm he feels alright and had been looking forward to going back to work before covid arrived .
Any news on the extremely vulnerable returning to work? At the moment I’m running on the assumption I’m back 1st August but not heard from work, I’d want an occupational health review but not sure if it’s me that needs to instigate it.
I might be wrong, I understand those shielding have updates closer to date on their letter.
If you have a letter the OH shouldn't be involved. Not all stores are applying these government guidelines.
Quote from: Started2008 on 14-07-20, 12:17PM
Any news on the extremely vulnerable returning to work? At the moment I’m running on the assumption I’m back 1st August but not heard from work, I’d want an occupational health review but not sure if it’s me that needs to instigate it.
You will have got a call today or you will have one in the next 2/3 days , return date is the 1st , with the options I listed Yesterday , OH if you want one done or return as normal just like those that returned on the 15th ,
Notsofunny
Who will call
Government
Tesco
Stores have been briefed today.
Every colleague who is still off, whether they are pregnant, classed as clinically extremely vulnerable, taking unpaid etc will receive a call from there manager over the next few days and be sent a letter.
If you are classed as clinically extremely vulnerable(shielding) or told to shield by OH because you were clinically vulnerable then you will return to work from 2nd August however you will have the option to go through OH for any potential adjustments in the workplace for you from 14th July.
You will be put into 3 categories
A. Same as everyone else( social distancing etc).
B. Minor adjustments.
C. More major adjustments.
However OH will not say you are to continue to Shield!
If you feel it’s not right to come back yet for any reason then you can take unpaid or lifestyle break.
If your area is part of a local lockdown then you are to shield while it’s in effect(eg parts of Leicester).
If you are pregnant then you have 2 choices
1. Return to work from the 2nd August without any potential adjustments or go through OH from the 3rd August and either return form the 17th August with or without adjustments or they might say you are not to return to work.
If you are taking unpaid or lifestyle break then they will discuss with you about either returning or carrying on with that.
For colleagues in Wales following the above from the 17th August in line with the welsh governments advice.
Quote from: miriam on 14-07-20, 05:06PM
Notsofunny
Who will call
Government
Tesco
Stores will call ,,,,,,,
Thanks notsofunny and Morris , great to know what's happening .
Can someone tell me if they have been asked to go back from Sat the 1st ? or are they going back from the Monday the 3rd? Just asking since from my friends that are off , 1 has been told its from the 1st and 2 from the 3rd , all 3 work on a Saturday
One of my colleagues works a Sunday and are due back on 2nd . It may depend on if OH has ask for extra safety measures to be put in place for the individuals concerned and how quickly they can assess that
Policy states that the revised approach is FROM the 2nd
My return date is 5th as this is first shift after 1st
I was told by OH that they would call me before my return
Manger in my store said i have to return does not matter about OH
OH have as of yet not contacted me and I've not recieved my letter with day of return
My store there is alot of hostility towards me
On my return grievance procedure will b put into place
All shielding colleagues are to return from Sunday 2nd August for their next contracted shift.
from what I’ve gathered from the latest OH reports, all they are doing is confirming whether you are in group A,B or C, from there you will discuss with your manager any support you may need.
Tesco has given the stores a list of potential options for each group depending on what your role is.
I believe OH are not contacting colleagues directly after they have made the assessment, the colleagues are to access there OH report themselves through the portal they went through initially to see what group they fall in, they are not giving any recommendations for your return, just which group they believe you fall into.
Colleagues are still to return on their next contracted shift regardless of whether OH have returned the report unless they are in Wales or Pregnant then different dates apply.
Obviously your manager should contact you before your first shift.
Now if the colleague doesn’t feel ready to return then it’s either a sick call followed by fit mote(normally SYA process will follow) or unpaid/lifestyle or holidays.
All info regarding shielding colleagues is on help centre.
Thanks Morris and others ,
Since i had read it was till the 31st was thinking that return was the 1st then a friend had been told that it would be back to work on the 1st , and others its the 3rd ,
Its been confirmed to all 3 that it will be next shift after the 1st ,
They are all going back , they feel its been a long 4 months and need to get back to as normal a life as possible ,
Stay safe everyone
Back at you notsofunny
My wife is off shielding and has gone through OH the last she heard was on the 3rd of August that they are unable to put her into a category so they will call before the 14th to do a follow up questionnaire, that has now passed and neither her or the store has heard anything. they are expecting her to return to work but I’m not happy her going back until OH has made a decision
A few in our store were told return to work with adjustments. Everyone assumed the adjustments would be specific to that person and decided by OH . That didnt happen it was just a meeting with a manager on their return with the manager asking what they thought they'd be safe doing .
Also can I add , that they all had to phone their manager about returning noone ever got in touch except for the letter to tell them to do the online OH questionnaire. Most went back with just minor adjustments , one has taken a lifestyle break .
Stores got a e mail to advice managers that those staff that are extremely vulnerable are expext3d to be off again from Thursday. So for managers to plan ahead .. updates with details to come on Tuesday ..
With no pay this time in expect ???
Hopefully they act quicker than the government is on this one, being in limbo waiting to find out what’s happening is awful
just extremely vulnerable or all vulnerable?
Think there’s a business update tomorrow,
However I’m going to say any financial support will only be for those classed as CEV(Critical Extremely Vulnerable), not only that the Government should be sending letters out to the CEV’s from tomorrow with full guidance for them.
So I think it’ll be, no shielding letter no financial support from the company.
Which I personally believe it will be the same as what they did in July, company sick pay from day 1, topped up if colleagues have ran out.
That being said, speaking to a few CEV colleagues today, if Tesco doesn’t force them off work they will continue to attend for their shifts.
They do not want to go into lockdown again, regardless of the risk to themselves.
Quote from: dotnochance on 02-11-20, 05:18PM
just extremely vulnerable or all vulnerable?
Extremely Vulnerable only as per Gov guide lines
Quote from: Started2008 on 02-11-20, 05:12PM
Hopefully they act quicker than the government is on this one, being in limbo waiting to find out what’s happening is awful
Government has told those that this effects what to do , which is to work from home and if you cant then stay at home and you will get SSP or other help if you need ,,, so your not in limbo as you said ,, all you are waiting for is to find out if Tesco will pay you like they did before which I think was very Generous ,
Morris ,
The E amil said extremely vulnerable ,
been told that no one that is Extremely vulnerable will be allowed to come to work ,
But then we will just have to wait till the update in the morning ,
@notsofunny, I’ve not seen the email, our SM has been uncharacteristically sheepish about the email, and has just said plan to lose the colleagues that had to shield in July and draw up a second plan for those that came back in July in case they too have to go off but to wait for the full brief tomorrow.
It will I suppose depend on what Tesco are classing as Extremely Vulnerable.
As the Government is only using the following definitions:
Clinically vulnerable Or Clinically Extremely Vulnerable
The second definition is for those which had the Shielding letter.
All those extremely valuable will be off from Thursday . That's what they said .
Does this just apply to extremely vulnerable in England are all of uk? Like Tesco did before I’m in Scotland will I be told to be off again to
Each country in the union is going its own way . So this only goes for England .
But if the others go into lockdown then it's the same .also depends on the tier system you have . But yes this is only for England
The new updated guidance is up on colleague help. The clinically extremely vulnerable and the higher tier clinically vulnerable colleagues are paid sick leave until 2nd December. This is for the whole of the UK not just England
Quote from: Pmjd84 on 03-11-20, 01:33PM
The new updated guidance is up on colleague help. The clinically extremely vulnerable and the higher tier clinically vulnerable colleagues are paid sick leave until 2nd December. This is for the whole of the UK not just England
I can’t seem to find it would you be able to provide a link to it so I can show my manager?
its all clinically extremely vulnerable staff off, and category c staff (no idea who category c people are) oh and it looks like only the people who had occupational health are going off. when i came back i was offered OH but decided not too, guess i f***ed myself
It's the people who were told by occupational health to sheild in July, not the people that were told to go back at the end of June . Not sure about pregnant colleagues as they shielded into August.
wait all the people who where advised to shield in July where the clinically extremely vulnerable?
Quote from: dotnochance on 03-11-20, 02:35PM
its all clinically extremely vulnerable staff off, and category c staff (no idea who category c people are) oh and it looks like only the people who had occupational health are going off. when i came back i was offered OH but decided not too, guess i f***ed myself
It's should not matter if you had OH or not .if you are in the group as clinically extreme you are covered. . Having spoken to a few friends that did not have OH done . They have got a call not to come in from Friday...
Ok I'll post my conditions to see why I'm a bit upset, my lifelong asthma atm is "uncontrolled" i.e. my meds are being changed about to see what works as my old inhalers don't work. I was also off with flu back in January and developed severe chest infection(which I get with flu) that I'm still taking steroid tablets 9 months later. So with my respiratory problems me getting covid wouldn't be the best idea, all I can do is "be careful" lol
Dear all,
Ahead of the lockdown in England and different restrictions across the UK, I want to make sure that all colleagues have the latest advice, and to reassure you that our priority remains your health, safety and wellbeing.
In England, the Government has advised that from 5 November, people who are deemed to be Clinically Extremely Vulnerable (CEV) should not go to work if they are unable to work from home. As a business we have taken the decision to ask all CEV colleagues and Clinically Vulnerable (CV) colleagues who have been deemed higher risk by Occupational health â€" including those living in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales â€" to not come to work from 5 November to 2 December 2020. These colleagues will be paid and we will review the situation throughout November in advance of 2 December.
Further guidance has been shared with managers and people partners. Colleagues should be aware if they fall into one of these categories but please do speak to your manager if you are unsure if this policy applies to you.
The last few months have been challenging for us all. COVID-19 has brought a huge amount of uncertainty, and I’m sure for many of us, greater levels of stress and anxiety than usual into our lives. Please remember the resources we have available to you all on Headspace and SilverCloud, to support your mental wellbeing. I’d encourage you to take five minutes out of your day today, do something for yourself, sign up to these resources and explore what they can offer. You can access both from a computer, tablet or phone and more information is available on Our Tesco.
As ever, the best ways to avoid catching and spreading the virus, are to follow social distancing measures â€" including keeping two metres away from those not in your household, wearing a face covering where required (unless exempt) and good hygiene practices. It’s really important that we all play our part, by requesting a test if we experience symptoms, self-isolating where necessary and following the instructions of the contact tracing teams.
More than ever, the contribution of our colleagues in delivering for our customers is of critical importance. Thank you once again for all your efforts.
My very best wishes to you and your families, and please take care.
Natasha Adams
Quote from: Started2008 on 03-11-20, 01:46PM
Quote from: Pmjd84 on 03-11-20, 01:33PM
The new updated guidance is up on colleague help. The clinically extremely vulnerable and the higher tier clinically vulnerable colleagues are paid sick leave until 2nd December. This is for the whole of the UK not just England
I can’t seem to find it would you be able to provide a link to it so I can show my manager?
https://colleague-help.ourtesco.com/hc/article_attachments/360073386252/Coronavirus_Question_and_Answers._v12.7_21.10.2020_.pdf
Yes I got a call soon after asking to shield for 4 weeks. It’s the people who went back to work end of June who aren’t included in this shielding this time round. If you had to shield until august then you’re one of the ones who should be shielding this time round. I was told they have a list from last time so I’d imagine you’ll be contacted shortly if that’s you. If you went through Occupational health & you came up as category A or B then you don’t need to shield. If you were off until August but didn’t take the OH survey it doesn’t matter, you still have to shield. If you think you should be included then you can ask your manager to request an OH review for you to fill in. I think thats explained in the above link.
Quote from: dotnochance on 03-11-20, 03:28PM
Ok I'll post my conditions to see why I'm a bit upset, my lifelong asthma atm is "uncontrolled" i.e. my meds are being changed about to see what works as my old inhalers don't work. I was also off with flu back in January and developed severe chest infection(which I get with flu) that I'm still taking steroid tablets 9 months later. So with my respiratory problems me getting covid wouldn't be the best idea, all I can do is "be careful" lol
I believe that it is anyone who is on medication that makes them immunosuppressed and would be at more risk of catching covid . Your illnesses would make you more at risk of being extremely ill from covid , Tesco just have to prevent staff from catching it .
That is just the impression I get from those I know who have been told to shield and not me saying this is right or wrong .
Quote from: Pmjd84 on 03-11-20, 05:25PM
Yes I got a call soon after asking to shield for 4 weeks. It’s the people who went back to work end of June who aren’t included in this shielding this time round. If you had to shield until august then you’re one of the ones who should be shielding this time round. I was told they have a list from last time so I’d imagine you’ll be contacted shortly if that’s you. If you went through Occupational health & you came up as category A or B then you don’t need to shield. If you were off until August but didn’t take the OH survey it doesn’t matter, you still have to shield. If you think you should be included then you can ask your manager to request an OH review for you to fill in. I think thats explained in the above link.
This is the 100% correct information 👍🏼 For anyone who’s not sure what’s what.
Reading posts still bit unsure of these categories is cat A high risk or cat C ?because reading post above A and B are not high risk??? By the way doesn't affect me although a colleague I know of who has has a major heart attack hasn't been sent home but a mild asthmatic has ????
Cat c is high risk
Having had a heart attack doesn't necessary mean you are at high risk of Covid, but having asthma ,depending on how serious, could put you at risk.
Sorry to drag up an old post. In earlier replays on this topic there were a few "carers", have any of you taken time off this time around ? Do you know if provision has been made for carers to take unpaid leave ? It's quite difficult to find concrete information when each nation seems to have it's own rules but any information on this would be good . Thanks
Welshie, same options are open to carers this time as was in the first lockdown.
Unpaid leave until the limit, Lifestyle Break or Holidays
It’s just a matter of talking to your manager, there’s no real reason while it should be declined.
We have a few colleagues in my store that have taken lifestyle breaks, they asked for time off and it was granted immediately.
Hope this helps.
Thank Mortis
Hi, can anyone shed light on the rights of people who are vunerable.
I have a relative who is vunerable. They have been off since last march. They were furlough due to the government letter. When it was time to go back to work their GP said they could not and need to stay off work due to their health. So, the GP put them on long term sick. Their Tesco sick pay ran out a couple of months ago and now they are just getting £95 per week SSP. However, an advisor has now told them that Tesco should put them on furlough again because they have received a government letter. Can anyone please shed light on this, maybe a union rep or anyone with knowledge on this.
They want to go back to work but their GP has told them they are at serious risk and now with the letter from the Government they still have to stay off.
They are suffering serious financial problems because the GP will not let them go back to work and with Boris letter. Can they ask Tesco to put them back on furlogh while they are on the sick
Hi Sunshine,
First thing is that Tesco never put any of its employees on furlough, so will not be putting your relative back on it.
What Tesco did was decide to fully pay all colleagues who fell into the critical vulnerable(CV) up till end of June and then for the critical extremely vulnerable(CEV) colleagues until end of June then use company sick pay until end of July topped up if colleagues had used up their entitlement.
When the second lockdown happened under government advice only the CEV were to be off from work, so again Tesco paid them with company sick pay topped up if they had ran out of their entitlement.
Again with this lockdown under government advice it’s only the CEV that are off from work being paid with company sick pay, again topped up if the colleagues have ran out of entitlement.
From what my understanding of the policy was last time was that if the colleague who is CEV was off sick before any lockdowns happened then they would be paid sick pay until they ran out then only SSP, this wouldn’t be topped up due to a lockdown as the colleague was off with a separate fit note before it happened.
This may have changed with a policy update.
Now your relative should have been referred to OH if they had a shielding letter during the first lockdown, who would have advised them/Tesco whether they could return to work.
From my understanding only a very small handful of colleagues who were classed as CEV were told not to return to work in August, these would have had regular reviews with OH and would have been paid company sick pay topped up if ran out.
Unfortunately Tesco are not going to furlough any colleagues and this debate was had on here back in may/June.
Your best option is to talk to their Store Manager about where they stand and update policies.
They were promised OH for a few months and nothing happened. It was only this week that someone rang them and promised they would receive a report via email the same day before it goes to the store. The email letter never arrived. OH said they were going to class them as moderate risk.
I have just looked on the online system where there is a message from Jason Tory, and this is the interesting part
Supporting our colleagues
As we have throughout the pandemic, we continue to support our colleagues affected by COVID-19 with paid absence from day one.
We have recruited more than 11,000 temporary colleagues to help stores across the UK this Christmas.
In recognition of the incredible work of our colleagues on the front line, we’re paying a 10% bonus over the festive period.
.......
See they just don't know where they stand. It says paid from day one. Tesco have been great, lets be honest, the way they have been supporting their staff. But on the other hand, if they got furlough from the govt then people like this i think would be ok. They dont want to put their job at risk by looking like they are moaning. Their GP told them not to return to work and now they have another letter to shield again, so they just don't know what to do.
They also dont understand what this is on their pay slip SSP rectro pay, and sick leave pay rectro.
The paid from day one is for colleagues isolating not shielding . I was reading the latest covid updates on Monday, cev staff that were already off sick will not be moved to shielding and so wont be entitled to wages topped up .
Quote from: Morris999 on 02-01-21, 06:22PM
Welshie, same options are open to carers this time as was in the first lockdown.
Unpaid leave until the limit, Lifestyle Break or Holidays
It’s just a matter of talking to your manager, there’s no real reason while it should be declined.
We have a few colleagues in my store that have taken lifestyle breaks, they asked for time off and it was granted immediately.
Hope this helps.
From new updated policy if you used up your options last time , there are no more unpaid options available . That's how I'm reading the latest updates sadly
For a lot of colleagues they only get sick pay after the 3rd day off sick, what Tesco have done is that if you test positive or have to isolate then the 3 day rule is waived and you get paid from day 1, but only for COVID related absences.
If you have a letter from PHE/NHS/Matt Hancock identifying you as someone who is CEV then you shield regardless of what OH have said.
But it must say you have been identified as someone who is critically extremely vulnerable, not critically vulnerable.
As for retro pay, it’s to show what’s been coded after the cut off date for each pay period.
So colleagues can distinguish what they have been paid in each pay period.
Before you wouldn’t know which overtime etc was from which period in each pay period.
EG.
Pay day is January 8th but cut off is Thursday 31st December.
Anything worked/paid different other than contracted (overtime,holiday, sick)after the 31st December will show as retro pay in February’s pay period, but as normal contracted in January’s.
The cut off for Jan pay was 30/12/20 due to New Year, payroll signed off Thursday instead of Friday. Hope this help.