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investigation meeting
« on: 05-11-19, 07:56PM »
We have a driver who has been called into an investigation for failing to deliver to customers. No details have been given so they can only guess that it was last week when our town centre was chock a block because of an accident and he didn't deliver his last two and as it was they didn't arrive back at store until after clocking out time.
They have been a driver for a good few years, very capable and in that time has probably brought back far less than drivers who have only been doing the job a couple of months. There has been drivers who have brought back half their trip and nothing has been said or done to them so this driver is feeling very aggrieved about being singled out.
Any ideas or information which might come in handy which I can pass on?
« Last Edit: 05-11-19, 07:59PM by helpme »

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Re: investigation meeting
« Reply #1 on: 05-11-19, 08:06PM »
If the drivers who left half of their delivery undelivered still works there, get the driver who is being investigated to obtain a written confirmation that the driver who left half the delivery received no disciplinary action and make sure that it wasn't due to any extenuating circumstances. If during the investigation the driver receives a disciplinary, get him to raise a grievance for unfavourable treatment citing the disparity in disciplinaries metered out. Rules have to apply to everyone equally unless there's a medical/disability related reason for it.
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Re: investigation meeting
« Reply #2 on: 05-11-19, 08:39PM »
We have a driver who has been called into an investigation for failing to deliver to customers. No details have been given so they can only guess that it was last week when our town centre was chock a block because of an accident and he didn't deliver his last two and as it was they didn't arrive back at store until after clocking out time.
They have been a driver for a good few years, very capable and in that time has probably brought back far less than drivers who have only been doing the job a couple of months. There has been drivers who have brought back half their trip and nothing has been said or done to them so this driver is feeling very aggrieved about being singled out.
Any ideas or information which might come in handy which I can pass on?

Tell him to attend the investigation and name names of the drivers who have had no further action taken for such in the past. They need to be fair and consistent in the approach to all staff. We all know it doesn't happen at Tesco. This is why Tesco lose unfair dismissal claims. Maybe it'll back fire and everyone will get the sack and more than a load will go undelivered.

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Re: investigation meeting
« Reply #3 on: 05-11-19, 10:34PM »
I read this with great interest. I was a .com driver for 13 years but had to give up because I’m an old bird now and found it just too much. When I began the vans only took 620kg load, and if we had 10 drops a day we were like “are you serious”!! But years go by and vans changed, they got bigger and carried a larger load and you evolved with it. But as is the Tesco way more and more was expected of you. To be fair they are not far off the delivery times they give you, BUT they cannot (and will not) take into account - traffic congestion whether it be school times, end of work day times and road works with diversions etc.  Obviously and personally I really didn’t like to bring orders back and indeed on many occasions stayed out late to deliver these orders. But it is a two edged sword ie if you stay out late means the next shift starts late, or if you bring back orders then they often get shoved onto the evening drivers which is also unfair.
But in the end and maybe some may say selfishly you have to stand you’re ground and work out what time you get back, unload and ultimately clock out at your end of shift time.
As long as you have done you’re contracted hours what can they say??? Surely you cannot be reprimanded?? Can you?
So, so glad I’m out of it now.............

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Re: investigation meeting
« Reply #4 on: 05-11-19, 11:28PM »
Does anyone know what the disciplinary/ investigation requires in regards to management as I was always told for example that there should always be a male and female manager present. One to question and the other to note take. In our store we have had numerous people in disciplinarians but men get interviewed by 2 female managers and I’ve also seen a female interviews by 2 male managers, I thought it had to be 1 of each and you could refuse the disciplinary if that was the case ?

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Re: investigation meeting
« Reply #5 on: 06-11-19, 12:33AM »
Short answer, no.

Longer answer, there's no requirement for both a male and female manager, infact there isn't even a requirement for two managers, it's one manager and one notetaker who may, or may not be a manager.

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Re: investigation meeting
« Reply #6 on: 06-11-19, 07:52AM »
Think your mixing it up with staff searches ruling
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Re: investigation meeting
« Reply #7 on: 06-11-19, 03:04PM »
Should they be given full details of the allegations before the meeting or are management allowed to withhold details until the meeting?

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« Reply #8 on: 06-11-19, 03:33PM »
Think your mixing it up with staff searches ruling

That’s probably right , however searches in ours are done the same, always done by either 2 male managers or 2 female

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Re: investigation meeting
« Reply #9 on: 06-11-19, 06:56PM »
Allegation is driver didn't deliver to customers. If the driver admits they returned with load they should be aware of the full details.

You are better off focusing on why. Could be numerous legitimate reasons why the load was bought back (danger of breaking driving time regs/traffic incidents/had caring responsibilities or needed to attend something after work)

If it's still judged worthy of a disciplinary meeting then bring up how previous drivers doing the same thing have been.treated.

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« Reply #10 on: 06-11-19, 06:57PM »
Should they be given full details of the allegations before the meeting or are management allowed to withhold details until the meeting?

Full details and time to read through properly, otherwise how can you prepare your defence if you're going in blind?
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« Reply #11 on: 06-11-19, 06:59PM »
Think your mixing it up with staff searches ruling

That’s probably right , however searches in ours are done the same, always done by either 2 male managers or 2 female

Two female can only search female colleagues, two male only search male colleagues, one of each can search either gender.
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Re: investigation meeting
« Reply #12 on: 06-11-19, 08:02PM »
Think your mixing it up with staff searches ruling

That’s probably right , however searches in ours are done the same, always done by either 2 male managers or 2 female

Two female can only search female colleagues, two male only search male colleagues, one of each can search either gender.


Good luck with that , males in our store are ALWAYS searched by female managers , never Male. It’s been complained about but guys get told to “man up and get on with it”
Women get both 2 guy managers searching them or a male and female. Depends who’s in at the time. Most female managers at ours finish at 4 and the guys stay on until 10

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Re: investigation meeting
« Reply #13 on: 06-11-19, 09:22PM »
Administrator Comment Topic "investigation meeting" not "staff searches" which can be found here Staff Searches.
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Re: investigation meeting
« Reply #14 on: 07-11-19, 07:01AM »
Interesting sentence from Long Gone, about mainly female managers starting early and male managers doing later shifts. Same in the Extra I work in. What's that about?

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« Reply #15 on: 07-11-19, 07:09AM »
Simple solution, where is says any issues and they put no, you / yes and state "non compliant" and refuse to sign!
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« Reply #16 on: 07-11-19, 08:32AM »
In the Extra store where I work, nights, 5 managers, all male. What's that about?

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« Reply #17 on: 07-11-19, 11:10AM »
What’s up cityboy did a woman do you harm?

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« Reply #18 on: 07-11-19, 11:27AM »
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« Reply #19 on: 07-11-19, 01:22PM »
Anywhere to discuss this Nomad, or just shut down?

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« Reply #20 on: 07-11-19, 01:25PM »
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