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whatajoke2019

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Useless Daw - Time for Action?
« on: 03-09-19, 04:12PM »
Before I get shot down in flames this isn't a dig at my fellow colleagues who are Union Reps and have to deal with being the face of Useless Daw but Useless Daw itself.

Given how many people are being shafted time and time again I personally feel it's time there was a mass exodus in those of us who pay the monthly premium, only to find they've rolled over and had their bellies tickled (at our expense!)

I overheard a conversation earlier on today from a colleague affected by the FSC 'soft change' and it's plain to see Paul*ine a. hasn't got a clue and b. couldn't give a damn about those of us being messed around.

I think it's time we threw water over their fire....

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Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
« Reply #1 on: 03-09-19, 04:50PM »
You can't post anti-union content on this site, it's against their interests, you'll be chocolate in their peanut butter.

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Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
« Reply #2 on: 03-09-19, 05:22PM »
Before I get shot down in flames this isn't a dig at my fellow colleagues who are Union Reps and have to deal with being the face of Useless Daw but Useless Daw itself.

Given how many people are being shafted time and time again I personally feel it's time there was a mass exodus in those of us who pay the monthly premium, only to find they've rolled over and had their bellies tickled (at our expense!)

I overheard a conversation earlier on today from a colleague affected by the FSC 'soft change' and it's plain to see Paul*ine a. hasn't got a clue and b. couldn't give a damn about those of us being messed around.

I think it's time we threw water over their fire....

already cancelled my sub waste of money just not what I ever expected a union to be like

Welshie

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Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
« Reply #3 on: 03-09-19, 05:41PM »
Yep , left union about 18mths ago , like you it's not a reflection on rep colleagues although we have very few now , it's the corruption at the top  , sold their integrity to T#sco long ago .

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Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
« Reply #4 on: 03-09-19, 07:03PM »
Before I get shot down in flames this isn't a dig at my fellow colleagues who are Union Reps and have to deal with being the face of Useless Daw but Useless Daw itself.

Given how many people are being shafted time and time again I personally feel it's time there was a mass exodus in those of us who pay the monthly premium, only to find they've rolled over and had their bellies tickled (at our expense!)

I overheard a conversation earlier on today from a colleague affected by the FSC 'soft change' and it's plain to see Paul*ine a. hasn't got a clue and b. couldn't give a damn about those of us being messed around.

I think it's time we threw water over their fire....

If you think all what you've wrote is bad, look up the partnership agreement they have with Tesco, in that agreement they've given up the shop floor workers rights to hold a ballot for strike action, if a union can't even fulfil this fundamental action, they aren't a union.

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« Reply #5 on: 03-09-19, 07:07PM »
A good union rep can and will tie an average manager in knots, sadly there don't seem to be many good reps anymore.
USDAW do zero training and don't reward reps at all and that is the main problem.
Just imagine if each store had 2 fully trained reps and not 6 or 7 reps lacking experience, managers would be bricking it

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Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
« Reply #6 on: 04-09-19, 12:52AM »
why don't you step up and become that good rep then
 

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Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
« Reply #7 on: 04-09-19, 07:04AM »
Because I firmly believe that reps should be rewarded for supporting their colleagues.
Simple as that

Welshie

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Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
« Reply #8 on: 04-09-19, 08:58AM »
Captain , they cant even spend money to train them , they're never going to be rewarded !

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« Reply #9 on: 04-09-19, 10:23AM »
A good union rep can and will tie an average manager in knots, sadly there don't seem to be many good reps anymore.
USDAW do zero training and don't reward reps at all and that is the main problem.
Just imagine if each store had 2 fully trained reps and not 6 or 7 reps lacking experience, managers would be bricking it

I remember a former Pointless Manager at my store whinging that the USDAW Rep kept getting Written Warnings etc overturned because of "technicalities". She pointed out that if managers followed the discipline process to the letter, there would be no technicalities for her to exploit. ;)

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« Reply #10 on: 04-09-19, 11:12AM »
Replace "technicalities" with incompetence. Most managers aren't even worth minimum wage.

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« Reply #11 on: 04-09-19, 12:44PM »
Correct
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Captain , they cant even spend money to train them , they're never going to be rewarded !
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Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
« Reply #12 on: 04-09-19, 01:01PM »
USDAW - more interested in campaigning for a left wing socialist utopia, than properly representing their members. I stopped subscribing years ago.

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« Reply #13 on: 04-09-19, 04:00PM »
Needless to say I'm going to be cancelling my membership ASAP.

Don't get me wrong they can come in handy at times e.g. a useless manager not following the correct process to the point they could no longer hold AR meetings until they'd been retrained  :-X.

As I say, this isn't a rant at our reps, this is a rant at those at the top who release statements to the press knowing full well they've no problems in lying in the same bed as those who take millions home whilst expecting us to jump through their hoops and be grateful for any scraps left on the floor  >:(.

I can't tolerate a lot of people but this manager in question is only one of two in our store who are decent. Needless to say if they'd have been offered redundancy as part of these "changes" they'd have lost a few experienced stockies with them too....

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« Reply #14 on: 04-09-19, 04:23PM »
Then usdaw union have always been the worst it beggers believe that people still pay into them.they do nothing for no one.how can it be fair that colleagues loose their bonus but management don't and distribution keep theirs.in all these consultation over structure change over the last few years were have the union been no were.its about time people withdraw their membership then maybe their take notice,how can a union be a non striking union.members a taking for fools.

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« Reply #15 on: 04-09-19, 04:33PM »
My store is currently going threw the heat map were small changes is in reality is expected nothing major or life changing.but in this store they seem to forgot that and is treating colleagues with contempt,

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Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
« Reply #16 on: 04-09-19, 04:59PM »
The union reps are nothing more that manages pets .tesco pets..dont waste your money .

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« Reply #17 on: 04-09-19, 05:17PM »
@Captain 001
I have to reply to this, and probably bore the pants off some in the process if I'm repeating myself but...

When you sign up to be a rep, in my case for all the right reasons, the area officer is all smiles and promises. Your told you'll get training, in the six months I was waiting for training, I was expected to rep colleagues, to which I refused.

When you go for training..you start to see the pure waste of money being spent from your subs...the training consists of four days one week, three days a few months later, then two another few months later...
All expenses( apart from your evening meal )are paid. Typical training day being...
Buffet breakfast at the hotel
Arrive at training room for 9am - 10.30 then 15 min break, coffee, tea, biscuits provided
Lunch 30-45 mins, buffet provided
Afternoon break 15 min refreshments provided
All travelling expenses paid, and a daily sustenance allowance which was £14, which I categorically refused to claim for, as my daily sustenance was ample...but I'm afraid to admit some reps did claim :-X

I was also nominated to go on a weekend meeting for a new initiative forum of reps which would be held at regular intervals
Breakfast at hotel
9 am start. 10-15 break for coffee and croissants
12.30 hour lunch provided in hotel
3pm afternoon coffee and cakes
6.30 pm evening meal provided in hotel
Sustenance allowance again offered but refused
I stepped down from the forum after the first weekend meeting

Area reps meeting held in big local hotel, all reps stayed overnight averaging £100 B&b evening meal pp, I refused as a local, was informed the rooms are bulk booked anyway :-X

Money wasted on stationery, pens, bags of useless goodies i.e. balloons, cheap watches, sweets, lollipops, gym kit bags,  etc.....all sent to instore reps to hand out whilst trying to recruit...and that was the usual mantra every month from the AO, recruit,recruit recruit!

Then there's the constant awards ceremonies, with the same top levels and AO's attending each one, staying at all expenses paid hotels.

Then there's the all expenses paid AGM that the same "chosen" ones attend each year.

Then there's the all expenses paid summer schools for the "chosen" reps

Then there's the all expenses paid academies for the " chosen" reps

Then there's other diversities all expenses paid weekends, the gay pride weekend comes to mind, for reps to attend.

That's where your subs go, every year!! After all the big bosses have been paid, the area senior AO, the area AO's the union offices staff, of which there is an abundance, no staffing shortages there, all Monday-Friday 9-5  :-X

« Last Edit: 04-09-19, 05:23PM by lucgeo »
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« Reply #18 on: 04-09-19, 05:22PM »
Danny Boy, only a fool or a wind up merchant would make a sweeping remark like that. There are poor reps in Tesco but there are a lot of really dedicated good reps. You should apply to become a rep if you think you could do better, but I doubt you will.
 

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« Reply #19 on: 04-09-19, 08:27PM »


Download of usdaw's 2018 returns (published on line a couple of months ago)
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/808886/382T_2018.pdf


Or for those who are dubious about downloading pdf files, here is the link to the governments certification's office site for the annual returns for usdaw.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/union-of-shop-distributive-and-allied-workers-annual-returns

Find out just where your money is going. And also spot some of those upper echelon Executive Council Members that @Lucgeo mentions above (some of whom probably work in a store near you, but tend not to show their faces until there's an election due). If you can't recognize their names you can usually spot them because they have usually just had a perm-refresh at around conference time. Just a hint by-the-way, just because they are 'executive council members' does not mean that they actually have a clue about your rights, even your most basic rights (I speak from experience). If you would like quality advice that easily outstrips that of an Exec Council Member ( or 'Members' as I like to call them), you can find it in any private hire taxi, or at any Hackney rank, regardless of; the language spoken, origins of the speaker, length of residence in the UK, or, your grasp or non-grasp of said language. ;)

Also on the above pages are the pay and benefits of your esteemed leader (whose name at present I am still trying to find with my tongue tip. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?).
I AM NOT A REP, BUT......

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Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
« Reply #20 on: 04-09-19, 09:43PM »
i was recently at a labour party event where the top brass were speaking. there were stalls around the hall from pretty much every major union with one glaring exception...can you guess? if they are not interested in supporting a worker friendly party striving to govern, do you really think they care about you? i was a member for 10 years and had representation actually in store for roughly 3 years of those. rep was terrible, using the role solely to excuse there self from work as often as possible and went to great lengths to hide the fact that they were due for re election to keep the role, no one in the union was interested when notified. as a body paid to represent workers and negotiate on their behalf they have completely failed time and again. how many times have your hard won benefits been bartered away without consultation in return for a tiny pay increase? how much harder is your job now, compared to 7 or 8 years ago when stores were adequately staffed with well trained and experienced people? this union is complicit in the degradation of its paying members pay and conditions, anyone who continues to fund it is a fool.
 i am still a paying union member, now with unite. organise your colleagues and find proper representation with a good union that will back you up.

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« Reply #21 on: 05-09-19, 09:55AM »
I've heard of Unite; I'll have to have a look and see what they are like, and if they actually give a damn about their members.

The links you've provided make for sobering reading; as I say my post isn't for taking aim at our reps, many of who do a damned good job despite having to be the face of those 'higher up'; it's taking aim at the toothless wonders who are in it for themselves.

It'd be interesting to see how much they'll care if/when T decide to pull the rug from under their feet... they'd soon want to know  >:(

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« Reply #22 on: 05-09-19, 04:13PM »
I was a Union rep for many years until I very recently got made redundant.

Usdaw we’re useless when I needed them for advice and very difficult to get hold of.
I now believe that Usdaw are just a subsidiary of Tesco. 
I had to visit the store I was made redundant at last week and got talking to some old colleagues who have since stopped paying into the Union because they want to save money and have very little faith in it.

Usdaw seem to agree with anything Tesco wants.
Am so glad I’m out of it, and have since found better job.

whatajoke2019

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« Reply #23 on: 06-09-19, 09:24AM »
Pleased you've found a better job.

It speaks volumes when you're the face of the Union to your fellow colleagues in store and they aren't there for you  when you need them; but they have no qualms in sleeping with the enemy despite press releases suggesting otherwise.

Did we ever get to vote for Pau!ine as the ring leader at the circus or was it a case of finding an extremity covered in a certain bodily remnant?  :D

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« Reply #24 on: 06-09-19, 06:45PM »
Yes that's happening in our store.