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Author Topic: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.  (Read 249562 times)

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1225 on: 11-10-19, 07:19PM »
no they can put a temporary night shift on for a few weeks over xmas they did it at our store. After 6 months they can recruit a whole new night shift.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1226 on: 11-10-19, 07:24PM »
cheap? I've heard the agency gets £25 p/h and then pays the workers £8.50, can anyone verify?

Guy told me 9.90 p/h. Do they get paid the wHole 12 hours or breaks come off?

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1227 on: 11-10-19, 11:06PM »
Its not if it is just temp. Also you can legally bring back nightshift after a set ammount of time if you want. (6 months I think)

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1228 on: 11-10-19, 11:13PM »
cheap? I've heard the agency gets £25 p/h and then pays the workers £8.50, can anyone verify?

Guy told me 9.90 p/h. Do they get paid the wHole 12 hours or breaks come off?
the one who worked in my shop said when he was in for 12 hours he got paid for 10 he was getting at 13£ a hour according to him 130£ a day

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1229 on: 12-10-19, 10:43AM »
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I can confirm this. I worked nights on agency for another retailer a few years back for a few weeks and was surprised that I was on £11 p/hr and got paid 10 hrs even though I was there for 7 hrs most nights. While working for tesco though my shift was 9 hrs and only got paid for 7 hrs with a average of £9 p/hr.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1230 on: 12-10-19, 12:23PM »
It's an appalling way to treat people.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1231 on: 12-10-19, 01:06PM »
Hi ,, I was told yesterday by a very reliable source.... Service Manager Role is definitely the next role to go !!

Any indication when this is likely to be announced?


It already has been in my store. The Services manager got told 3 weeks ago. The checkout manager handed in her notice. Which is a shame because she is one of the few managers that does a great job and cares.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1232 on: 12-10-19, 03:28PM »
cheap? I've heard the agency gets £25 p/h and then pays the workers £8.50, can anyone verify?

Probably, you do have to remember though that the agency is not limited to just recruiting staff for the retailers, they also take over all aspects of management as well as legal reqs such as sick pay and holidays, they also administer the disciplinaries and other processes, in that respect Tescos managers lose a lot of power, usually being limited to "advising" whether the worker is a good fit to the agency area manager.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1233 on: 12-10-19, 10:00PM »
Just a thought, read once about head count. If under 45 it is one manager and if more than that a dept requires two. Not 100% on this but checkouts and services combined could come in over this, even in some smaller SS. I have roughly worked out that my store will be hovering around 40.
We havent even got 45 staff in our whole store and we have 7 Team Managers 🤣🤣🤣

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1234 on: 12-10-19, 10:32PM »

cheap? I've heard the agency gets £25 p/h and then pays the workers £8.50, can anyone verify?

Do you honestly believe, even in you're wildest dreams, that this penny pinching company would pay anyone £25 p/h for shop floor staff. Absolute BS.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1235 on: 12-10-19, 11:41PM »
You obviously misunderstood what's being discussed.  We are discussing if the fillers get £8.50 ph (more for designated drivers) but the agency itself gets £25.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1236 on: 12-10-19, 11:45PM »
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Spot on though👍👍
Some people just can't read🤷???
Of course tesco would pay this fee as it's disposable and probably a lot cheaper than paying a yearly salary with supposed benefits. They could take this on the chin as a tax rebate or something.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1237 on: 13-10-19, 06:43PM »
You obviously misunderstood what's being discussed.  We are discussing if the fillers get £8.50 ph (more for designated drivers) but the agency itself gets £25.

OK, lets put it another way then. Why would any business pay an agency £25p/h for labour they could easily hire themselves for less than £9.00 p/h?  No misunderstanding there mate - just common sense.
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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1238 on: 13-10-19, 07:00PM »
No tax no national insurance no holidays no extra labour that you only need at certain times easily replaced if you take a dislike to them.

There is a few off the top of my head.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1239 on: 13-10-19, 07:28PM »
You obviously misunderstood what's being discussed.  We are discussing if the fillers get £8.50 ph (more for designated drivers) but the agency itself gets £25.

OK, lets put it another way then. Why would any business pay an agency £25p/h for labour they could easily hire themselves for less than £9.00 p/h?  No misunderstanding there mate - just common sense.
NHS do it all the time with agency nurses to cover short term vacancies

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1240 on: 13-10-19, 09:56PM »
You obviously misunderstood what's being discussed.  We are discussing if the fillers get £8.50 ph (more for designated drivers) but the agency itself gets £25.

OK, lets put it another way then. Why would any business pay an agency £25p/h for labour they could easily hire themselves for less than £9.00 p/h?  No misunderstanding there mate - just common sense.

Lots of businesses do it, it might not make sense to you, but to everyone else it does and it happens a lot in most businesses.
In my job they pay contracting engineers over a 100k salary but they get no benefits at all and their contracts last from 3 months to 12 and can be let go at any point. Now say a contract engineer was to apply for a full time role as a company engineer then the salary would be reflected in market conditions which is 35k.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1241 on: 13-10-19, 11:00PM »
Usually, with a company the size of Tesco, when they have periods of abrupt rates of staff turnover (as they are experiencing at the moment due to structure changes, poor pay and "the hub",) , they will fill short term with agency workers and still use their inhouse recruitment at the same time, the agency is providing managerial, recruitment and payroll services for their employee, Tesco will be paying something along the lines of £25 an hour to the agency to facilitate all of these services.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1242 on: 14-10-19, 07:43PM »
https://www.peoplemanagement.co.uk/news/articles/organisations-keeping-agency-contracts-undermine-pay its one end of the story and other is that agency workers can make more. For ex at  Culina Avonmouth agency workers been receiving triple pay for over time.
Guys who worked with me at Tesco been pulling nearly 900 a week.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1243 on: 14-10-19, 09:25PM »
This is one of those things where it mainly depends on the agencies agreement and industry, in retail it's difficult to find agencies that pay fair whack, on the other side of the spectrum though, where the contractors possess highly in demand skills such that they hold the hand in an employment situation, rates at £2,000 a day aren't unheard of (where full time employees command a salary of £70k+ a year.)

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1244 on: 17-10-19, 12:02AM »
cheap? I've heard the agency gets £25 p/h and then pays the workers £8.50, can anyone verify?

Guy told me 9.90 p/h. Do they get paid the wHole 12 hours or breaks come off?
the one who worked in my shop said when he was in for 12 hours he got paid for 10 he was getting at 13£ a hour according to him 130£ a day

Agency cost stores 1.5 hr for 1hr worth of time.  They are almost always in for 12hour shifts, which costs the store 18 hours of payroll.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1245 on: 17-10-19, 12:47PM »
So that's about £13.00 p/h - nowhere near the £25p/h argued by the three wise men. Sanity on the forum restored.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1246 on: 17-10-19, 02:11PM »
^thats called cherry picking

that rate of pay also contradicts the fuel cost it takes to get from newcastle to the opposite end of england where i work at 580 mile round trip

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1247 on: 17-10-19, 02:41PM »
Competing agencies also charge different rates and provide different scopes of service.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1248 on: 17-10-19, 11:31PM »
^thats called cherry picking

that rate of pay also contradicts the fuel cost it takes to get from newcastle to the opposite end of England where i work at 580 mile round trip

I've had agency work with/for me at multiple express/metros/extra in the south east, all costed the same as far as the store payroll is affected.
even in the current metro im supporting we have two small teams of agency from two different company's and they are definitely from the north/midlands 

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #1249 on: 18-10-19, 12:36AM »
^thats called cherry picking

that rate of pay also contradicts the fuel cost it takes to get from newcastle to the opposite end of England where i work at 580 mile round trip

I've had agency work with/for me at multiple express/metros/extra in the south east, all costed the same as far as the store payroll is affected.
even in the current metro im supporting we have two small teams of agency from two different company's and they are definitely from the north/midlands
its crazy really the agency work the guy  who was in my store agency worker done next to nothing he even admitted he had little to no experence in the retail sector shop work etc etc but was quite happy to brag that he was earning 13£ a hour which more than annoyed the other staff members . saying that agency drivers listened to some of the money they said they were getting per day / wagon they tipped that was a eyeopener