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Author Topic: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.  (Read 253869 times)

superstore_tl

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #425 on: 13-08-19, 01:28PM »
I cannot understand this 'natural wastage' arguement.
If the job is no longer in place, then it must be a redundancy situation. If it all stores, there are presidents everywhere, if store specific, then why were deli managers not lost through 'natural wastage
As a stock manager who will almost certainly be affected, I will fight this to the end.

It came down yesterday to SM
I haven’t been told it’s store specific so should be all shops

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #426 on: 13-08-19, 01:29PM »
Does anyone know whether being in sick leave during the 30 day redundancy notice period, affects the final pay out (other than normal sick pay rules) ? Thanks

Yes it will as It did effect counter colleagues when they went

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #427 on: 13-08-19, 01:35PM »
Does anyone know whether being in sick leave during the 30 day redundancy notice period, affects the final pay out (other than normal sick pay rules) ? Thanks

Yes it will as It did effect counter colleagues when they went

I believe is redundancy is made up roughly from the last 12 weeks pay you will have received upto the settlement figure being agreed.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #428 on: 13-08-19, 01:53PM »
Definitely not a troll as mentioned above, just stating my current situation. Yes, large format.

I got told the same yesterday. Our Food Stock Control Manager has take up a vacancy either in the shop or at another one. No redundancy.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #429 on: 13-08-19, 02:40PM »
If the position goes it's redundancy, it's not a management restructure, it's not a minor change, where you're expected to take up the slack from another dept...when compliance went, they were offered other positions or redundancy, when PM went they were offered to apply for reduced number area PM role, other management step down roles or redundancy, so how come a role is to be axed but it's not deemed a redundancy situation.
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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #430 on: 13-08-19, 03:09PM »
How are they going to accommodate  all FFSC managers...ludicrous...

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #431 on: 13-08-19, 03:17PM »
If the position goes it's redundancy, it's not a management restructure, it's not a minor change, where you're expected to take up the slack from another dept...when compliance went, they were offered other positions or redundancy, when PM went they were offered to apply for reduced number area PM role, other management step down roles or redundancy, so how come a role is to be axed but it's not deemed a redundancy situation.
https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/defining-redundancy/

This makes a distinction between making a job redundant and making the employee redundant and the many pitfalls that can lead to a successful unfair dismissal claim, seemingly where a role is redundant, in the majority of cases so is the employee who performed that role. An exception being if they can be reasonably redeployed elsewhere in the same location with the same hours and pay (training required is a separate matter) in which case, only the position is made redundant


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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #432 on: 13-08-19, 06:21PM »
Can anyone confirm that Tosco have have got this sewn up by saying redundancy is not an option as it’s a “soft structure change”? Has this been agreed with usdaw? What if no suitable manager jobs available are not suitable? Ie travelling time. Any info gratefully appreciated

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #433 on: 13-08-19, 06:49PM »
It’ll be store specific, and specific to each individual.

They’re within their rights to refuse redundancy if there is a suitable alternative job available, with emphasis on suitable.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #434 on: 13-08-19, 06:52PM »
Tesco saying redundancy isn't available because it's a "soft structure change" is a managers tactic to try save the business. If your role as a manager is being made redundant they'll either have to re-deploy you in the same location under the same salary and hours or to whatever you agree with if in these regards, if they can't then you are by definition redundant.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #435 on: 13-08-19, 06:52PM »
It must be store specific as I am a stock and admin manager in an extra with a food stock manager and neither of us have had anything said to us.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #436 on: 13-08-19, 06:54PM »
suitability is a matter of personal opinion, the same as "reasonable"

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #437 on: 13-08-19, 06:57PM »
It must be store specific as I am a stock and admin manager in an extra with a food stock manager and neither of us have had anything said to us.
not necessarily store specific. some store managers might just be holding back announcing it ???

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #438 on: 13-08-19, 07:00PM »
posted by @Twatcocdd

reply 338 on 'job losses' thread

download of collective consultation summary

http://www.verylittlehelps.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=c4f7dc3549cb03ee38a35db0bfec4323&topic=8104.300
I AM NOT A REP, BUT......

emma070706

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #439 on: 13-08-19, 07:08PM »
It must be store specific as I am a stock and admin manager in an extra with a food stock manager and neither of us have had anything said to us.
not necessarily store specific. some store managers might just be holding back announcing it ???

they would be made to announce at the same time.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #440 on: 13-08-19, 07:12PM »
Definitely store specific, I’m pretty sure I heard right that if you have more than 15 colleagues between food sc and stock and admin that you keep both managers and if you have less than 15 then the food stock control managers job goes and the stock and admin manager picks up the whole lot. Anyone confirm that’s the case?

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #441 on: 13-08-19, 07:25PM »
Sounds realistic Banksy. Our store appears to be keeping both managers and we have the hours for 6 non food stockies (part time) and there’s 10 fresh and grocery stockies I know of

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #442 on: 13-08-19, 07:28PM »
I think it's 6 months.

my store manager told me it was 18 months for protected pay.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #443 on: 13-08-19, 07:36PM »
Thanks Helpme23, I presume your from an extra? Also been told that the collective consultations are still going on this week and that the informal brief should not have gone out till there finished!! Anyone?? TIA

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #444 on: 13-08-19, 07:36PM »
Can anyone shed any light on what the selection pool process looks like.. does it go on performance, length of service etc? Also if u don’t want to go into the selection process is there an option to opt out.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #445 on: 13-08-19, 07:50PM »
No selection process, if your store is part of yet another stock control change!!!, then the food stock control managers roll goes and the stock and admin manager has the whole lot!

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #446 on: 13-08-19, 08:23PM »
I think it's 6 months.

my store manager told me it was 18 months for protected pay.
Thought protected pay was for 2 years.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #447 on: 13-08-19, 08:42PM »
I’m in the same boat  as lead manager... I have two choices, take on this much bigger role with probably no extra cash, or leave this store

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #448 on: 13-08-19, 08:43PM »
No selection process, if your store is part of yet another stock control change!!!, then the food stock control managers roll goes and the stock and admin manager has the whole lot!

So say for instance we have 7 managers ( some part time) and there is only going to be one.. they are telling us we have to go into selection process.. probably what I want to know is there an opt out of this process if you don’t want to be selected for the one role.

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Re: 2019 Structure Changes. Part 2.
« Reply #449 on: 13-08-19, 09:11PM »
Paddy78, apologies I think we might be talking about different things, I’m talking about the change to stock control/stock admin managers, I don’t know anything about any other manager changes