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Duracell

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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #25 on: 12-02-18, 06:05PM »
To be honest they train you on induction on the basics to carry out the overall role then a bit later on more specialised roles.
But your point is right they need to pay an enhancement to retain that skill and training that they have paid for.

The DC's that are struggling have a high staff turn over because their rates are not up to the industry standard and staff can go to retail or fast food outlets for similar money, hours more suited to their needs in the same locality.
They are forking out for training that they don't see the benefit of because they leave in high numbers.

Distribution has enjoyed the benefit of using Agency labour on mass in the past, yet for varying reason the vast availability and their attraction for Agency is deminishing rapidly.
« Last Edit: 12-02-18, 06:08PM by Duracell »
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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #26 on: 12-02-18, 07:33PM »
Are both depots happy with the new offer tesco have put on the table for them or will a it be voted out then a vote for industrial action be on the cards?

Middlesbrough how much an hour you been offered

Think our current hourly rate is now £9.26 per hour, up from £9.02 previously.

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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #27 on: 22-03-18, 06:18PM »
Just wondering what these depots rates of pay are now and what other depots are on as well Middlesbrough D.C £9.357 on day shift

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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #28 on: 15-04-18, 07:38AM »
Simple and perhaps daft question: why is it that members in DCs can vote to accept or reject a pay offer while in dot.com we are just presented with the facts, without being able to have a say. Part of the USDAW Tesco partnership? Some other formal reason (bargaining units)? Thanks!
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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #29 on: 15-04-18, 10:33AM »
Simple answer, Stores got sold out by the union after they voted in favour of the Partnership Agreement , Distribution weren't as they didn't accept anything like the partnership agreement.
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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #30 on: 15-04-18, 03:08PM »
Right! That sucks big time. Does that ‘agreement’ come up for renewal or will we be at the whim of the big cheese forever? Anyway, thanks for the quick answer, will read the small print of that agreement when insomnia hits again...
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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #31 on: 15-04-18, 04:04PM »
No the Partnership Agreement is fixed, hence why so many on here argue over the union giving way to Tesco in the Stores format.
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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #32 on: 15-04-18, 04:21PM »
The union are not even worthy of note.

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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #33 on: 15-04-18, 04:55PM »
Right! That sucks big time. Does that ‘agreement’ come up for renewal or will we be at the whim of the big cheese forever? Anyway, thanks for the quick answer, will read the small print of that agreement when insomnia hits again...

Put simply.

You have more chance of orchestrating a reversal and regaining your right to have to accept democratically, than you do of showing any kind of distain for USDAW to be able to derecognise them officially and have another union recognised.

Probability and likelyhood suggests you should focus your attention to achievable objectives and where you can actually make a difference.
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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #34 on: 15-04-18, 04:56PM »
Partnership agreement is not present in Distribution!!
Which surprisingly means, that the parternership Agreement is not a prerequisite or an integral part of union membership or union recognition within T.
« Last Edit: 15-04-18, 05:00PM by Duracell »
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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #35 on: 15-04-18, 08:31PM »
@ FunkSoulBrother

It's your decision whether to stay within the union or to leave. Some still believe change in the current union regime is possible (though I personally doubt that).

Talking of achievable things, again a matter of opinion, though some will try to make you think otherwise. What is deemed to be achievable  or worthwhile is your decision, not that of others.
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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #36 on: 16-04-18, 11:22AM »
So rather than discuss what boils down to opinion.

Go back to FACT that may be of benefit.

There is no "Partnership Agreement" in Distribution. FACT
USDAW are a Recognised Collective consultative group In Distribution FACT
Union Recognition with T is not reliant on "Partnership Agreement" otherwise the 2 previous points would not be fact.
USDAW have recently consulted their members by means of A ballot for Industrial action in Distribution where they have failed to agree FACT.


Opinion based on the above facts.

USDAW are not the problem.

« Last Edit: 16-04-18, 11:23AM by Duracell »
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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #37 on: 17-04-18, 05:53PM »
"Union Recognition with T is not reliant on "Partnership Agreement"

Take a look at the Stores, it's the only way USDAW are still "recognised" by Tesco.

Banging on about Distribution having balloting rights helps the Stores in no way whatsoever.

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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #38 on: 17-04-18, 06:36PM »
I think that according to the arguments of others on other threads, and using their logic.

If the warehouse sectors of the business keep asking for more money it may cause tesco to have to close down.

Here is the argument;

The current legal action for shop-floor worker to equate the value of their work with that of warehouse work, has been called a grave threat to the future of tesco.

However if those in warehouse keep asking for more money this would mean that IF the legal action is successful, then the bar for tesco would be set even higher when it comes to equalizing pay.

So if the those in the warehouse (especially warehouse reps) care about the survival of tesco then (at least for now) until the case is thwarted, dosen't it make sense to retain your current pay and conditions and not exacerbate what others on the Lee/Day thread have suggested could be an extinction level event?

just tryin ta "grow a pair" here ya know :thumbup:

It seems to me that warehouse and distribution bangin on about needing more money are just gonna spoil it all for everyone. There are times when the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, arn't there? Stop being greedy.
 
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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #39 on: 17-04-18, 09:01PM »
Well if they paid a decent wage in the first place and stopped over paying all the toffs in the ivory towers and then staff would be happy to take what was offered.Once again too many many overpaid people spooling it for us at the hard end of the business.

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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #40 on: 17-04-18, 09:09PM »
They should make SMs in charge of multiple sites.

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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #41 on: 17-04-18, 11:24PM »
"Union Recognition with T is not reliant on "Partnership Agreement"

Take a look at the Stores, it's the only way USDAW are still "recognised" by Tesco.

Banging on about Distribution having balloting rights helps the Stores in no way whatsoever.

In your Opinion.
Mine is different. The facts speak for themselves.

Your opinion is based on pure conjecture.
My opinion Is based on on facts.

Banging on! responsive differing opinion.

Where better to talk about the facts of how Distribution establish and exercise their contractual right at Pay Negs than . In The Distribution forum, In the topic entitled, Widnes and Daventry ( Distribution sites) Pay Negs.



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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #42 on: 17-04-18, 11:38PM »
I think that according to the arguments of others on other threads, and using their logic.

If the warehouse sectors of the business keep asking for more money it may cause tesco to have to close down.

Here is the argument;

The current legal action for shop-floor worker to equate the value of their work with that of warehouse work, has been called a grave threat to the future of tesco.

However if those in warehouse keep asking for more money this would mean that IF the legal action is successful, then the bar for tesco would be set even higher when it comes to equalizing pay.

So if the those in the warehouse (especially warehouse reps) care about the survival of tesco then (at least for now) until the case is thwarted, dosen't it make sense to retain your current pay and conditions and not exacerbate what others on the Lee/Day thread have suggested could be an extinction level event?

just tryin ta "grow a pair" here ya know :thumbup:

It seems to me that warehouse and distribution bangin on about needing more money are just gonna spoil it all for everyone. There are times when the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, arn't there? Stop being greedy.

Outstanding statement from someone that enjoys Hypocrisy Fishing, for their supper!

There are times when the needs of many outweigh the needs of the few, you ask, apparently not, the loss of double time for that very reason wasn’t accepted by some. I’ll have a look to see who the nayers were when I have more time it might prove humorous, “ Hypocrisy Fishing “ I like that a lot fair play.

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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #43 on: 18-04-18, 12:00AM »
aww shucks....yer gonna make me blush....oh...oh...here I go....... :-[
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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #44 on: 18-04-18, 12:23AM »
People looking for a pay increase that barely covers the cost of inflation and in some cases does not, are apparently greedy.

You post some pathetic shite.

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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #45 on: 18-04-18, 08:16AM »
Could it be that the staff at Dagenham wish to have the same pay as other DCs in the area.Equal pay for equal value work springs to mind, now where do you think the idea came from.

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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #46 on: 18-04-18, 08:31AM »
The Ford Motor Company maybe. The place has a history of strikes.

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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #47 on: 18-04-18, 09:49AM »
Could it be that the staff at Dagenham wish to have the same pay as other DCs in the area.Equal pay for equal value work springs to mind, now where do you think the idea came from.

‘Dagenham wish to have the Same Pay as DC’s in the Area’. What you mean the “going rate” “the industry standard” “The Market Rate” . I wonder where that idea came from.


The Ford Motor Company maybe. The place has a history of strikes.

Mmm who is the cause for that, The Union Members or The Union Administration.
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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #48 on: 18-04-18, 10:53AM »
Duracell.I was assuming the staff at Dagenham would like pay parity with Thurock and Snodland. Same company same job different rates of pay.

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Re: Widnes & Daventry Pay negotiations
« Reply #49 on: 18-04-18, 10:54AM »
Duracell, or the owners/board members/share holders of the Ford motor company.
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