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Author Topic: Usdaw v Unite  (Read 6480 times)

Loki

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Usdaw v Unite
« on: 25-11-15, 08:28AM »
With the recent news regarding Unite balloting its members on industrial action at two Tesco depots, are there any DC members who have had experience of both Usdaw and Unite?

What are, if any, the main differences between the two and the agreements in place?

Is one more effective than the other?
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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #1 on: 25-11-15, 09:51AM »
I'm speculating that both aspects are due to the removal/non-removal of teeth and testicles :question:

Usdaw appear be missing both body parts and rendered more than willing to sign the agreements placed in front of them by their 'Partner' :question:

Unite appear to have a set of both anatomic components and therefore able to bite back with some testosterone loaded resistance  8-)

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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #2 on: 25-11-15, 11:00PM »
There never has and, in my opinion, never will be a strike in retail so that excludes most of us fighting to get any sort of pay rise or better conditions.

Tesco, in general offer better conditions than most retailers, most out in retail land only offer 20 days holiday (plus 8 bank holidays) and less hourly pay.

Would this have been achieved if usdaw had not been involved?

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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #3 on: 26-11-15, 02:24AM »
Hi just wondered dose anyone happen to know if reps can second each other in the ballot thanks

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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #4 on: 01-12-15, 05:43AM »
I doubt there will be any more pay rises until minimum wage/living wage legislation overtakes the CA rate and forces it.  Watch out then for further erosion of benefits and a squeeze on differential rates between CAs, TLs and managers.

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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #5 on: 02-12-15, 12:17AM »
There never has and, in my opinion, never will be a strike in retail so that excludes most of us fighting to get any sort of pay rise or better conditions.

Historically not true.  There has been a strike in retail over pay. conditions and working practices, in 1920 at none other than John Lewis (Oxford Street), prior to John Lewis being restructured as an employee owned business.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_Partnership


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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #6 on: 04-01-18, 09:15AM »
Shame in our depot Belfast that a rep isn’t on shift for a full week so why are members paying for representation they aren’t getting? >:(

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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #7 on: 04-01-18, 11:39AM »
unions are a waste of time

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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #8 on: 04-01-18, 05:13PM »
Unions are only as weak as their members allow them to be. The strongest unions represent largely full time workforces who are prepared to make a stand over issues.

Some one working 15 hours a week stacking shelfs is highly unlikely to ever go out on strike (even if the option was available).

Thatcher also successfully ended the notion of working as a group to focus just on your self.

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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #9 on: 04-01-18, 06:26PM »
What are the 2 depots being balloted for industrial action?

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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #10 on: 04-01-18, 06:30PM »
More to the point, why would a Union sign away the capability to strike?

If a Union is willing to do this, then they cannot say they are working in the Interest of its members.

And this is not just between USDAW  and Tesco, this appears to be with all retail companies.
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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #11 on: 04-01-18, 06:40PM »
Unions are only as weak as their members allow them to be. The strongest unions represent largely full time workforces who are prepared to make a stand over issues.

Some one working 15 hours a week stacking shelfs is highly unlikely to ever go out on strike (even if the option was available).

Thatcher also successfully ended the notion of working as a group to focus just on your self.
I do not buy into this only as strong as the members are. The folk who run the unions are hopeless. If every paying member went to the hierarchy and said we are going on strike they would do nothing and try and calm everybody down. When we lost our night shift we saw an Area union Officer once and they never even came and spoke to anyone. They sat in the canteen drinking tea from 6 to 7am and we were told about 6.30 that someone was there. When people wanted to go and speak to said person for advice they couldn’t wait to go and Tesco management wanted people to make sure their aisles were finished. Unions are finished fact

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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #12 on: 22-11-18, 11:50PM »
Kingkong2015 if you feel like that why do you not leave your union or is it you only rubbish your rep  but if you need them you go crawling your a joke




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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #13 on: 24-11-18, 07:28PM »
6 depots have rejected their wage offer 3 times now so Usdaw should be entering into consultative ballot with the members of the 6 depots. So it's not just Unite that has a fire in its belly

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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #14 on: 24-11-18, 09:05PM »
@Bootdaroff
"The folk who run the unions are hopeless. If every paying member went to the hierarchy and said we are going on strike they would do nothing and try and calm everybody down."Absolutely agree :thumbup:
They are paid 'leadership' money, to 'lead'. They should be responding on behalf of their membership when they (the usdaw hierarchy) are aware of wrongdoing or unfairness, NOT just waiting for their members to tell them things are wrong. They should be empowering their members with a proactive approach.
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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #15 on: 25-11-18, 07:36PM »
Why would usdaw react to any Tesco changes? Tesco collects usdaw dues , allows the induction for joining the union as an integral part of a colleagues first day in Tesco . It just doesn't benefit usdaw to rock the boat . The national forum is the same , informed of changes but no real power to influence or reject anything . Without a membership willing to make sacrifices the change of union becomes irrelevant . With so many on part time wages , the strength or will to lose money out of there paychecks is limited .

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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #16 on: 25-11-18, 11:55PM »
I contacted the union for advice regarding my manager changing my hours without notice. Was told I was being unreasonable!! I have worked for the company for over 30 years then tuped to another company. Union was useless, I'm no longer a member. Would not listen to what I needed to say. I ended the call in tears. useless union, uninformed and unwilling to listen or help, resign I urge you all. Not worth paying for ..

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Re: Usdaw v Unite
« Reply #17 on: 28-11-18, 01:19PM »
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