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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #150 on: 25-05-19, 03:04PM »
Tesco the leading supermarket giving every impression of having been in a recession these last 4 years paying minimum wage, reducing employee terms & conditions at every opportunity.

The “big” pay rise will of course come with the fairytale of Tesco proclaiming class leading pay award ignoring the fact every other supermarket gives 10% staff discount upwards
 (m & s 20%) plus the other falsehoods of premium pension contributions Sunday enhanced hourly rate etc etc we all know the blarney, making £8.42 a £10.00 an hour award, it’s a wonder the savings of no paper payslip isn’t included.

Jackdaw will be heralding it’s hard earned negotiating with Tesco no doubt, don’t hold your breath for £9.20 ph, in one go.

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« Reply #151 on: 25-05-19, 05:45PM »
As far as Dave is concerned Tesco staff get paid too much already. He's only giving minimal rises in line with the government. Ideally he’d just hire an agency to fill shelf’s and give the fast workers 1 day flexi contracts. Everyone else will be kept as long as they put enough cases out per shift. As for the manager in charge maybe give them a 30 hour contract and pay them A shift leader wage for covering express and extras any shift at short notice.  People losing 1 day off a FT contract is the least he can do.

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« Reply #152 on: 25-05-19, 07:29PM »
S.M today when someone asked about if he could give us any news on the pay rise "Tesco pay is amazing as it is, anything you get in the pay review you should be really thankful for" and he had a straight face while saying it.
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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #153 on: 25-05-19, 07:41PM »
Jesus, I know they need to tow the line, and you can usually tell when they're just repeating what they were told to say, despite not believing it themselves. But that's some level of delusion, or perhaps an Oscar worthy performance.

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« Reply #154 on: 27-05-19, 01:30PM »
S.M today when someone asked about if he could give us any news on the pay rise "Tesco pay is amazing as it is, anything you get in the pay review you should be really thankful for" and he had a straight face while saying it.

You should point out to him that we are 2nd from the bottom in terms of supermarket pay lol.

I do wonder what would happen if they said they'd freeze our pay this year, yes people will moan about it and USDAW will do the usual sod all, but would anyone quit for a competitor? I think not.
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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #155 on: 27-05-19, 09:03PM »
Yes some will leave but not many. There would be no pay freeze as in April tesco will be legally forced to give us pay rise.  If we loose night premium then lot of people will leave for sure.

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« Reply #156 on: 28-05-19, 09:53AM »
Maybe the night premium will be scrapped this time and day/night everyone will be on the same rate. Those moaning from the nightshift will be told be happy you still have a job. It’s the same ones who say they are leaving because of this and that and they never do. Ten years down the line they are still in the low paid misery that is Tesco. You ask them why and they are still hanging out for the redundancy. First I’ve heard years of misery is worth a few grand.

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« Reply #157 on: 28-05-19, 10:44AM »
Under that logic, why won't Dave Lewis just go whole hog, take away staff discount, cut the pension to bare legal minimum and pay NLW rising the pay only to match the new legal requirement, if people are institutionalised to the extent as everyone suggests, they won't leave and DL will have delivered savings on the Operations budget.

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #158 on: 28-05-19, 12:08PM »
NightAndDay

He could do everything at once but he’s got to keep a bit of work aside for a rainy day. Why do it all in a year for 5 million when you can get 5 years on 5million by making it last.  >:D

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #159 on: 28-05-19, 01:03PM »
Yes some will leave but not many. There would be no pay freeze as in April tesco will be legally forced to give us pay rise.  If we loose night premium then lot of people will leave for sure.

When was the last time anyone in Tesco went out on strike over pay? That's how they get away with it.

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #160 on: 28-05-19, 01:09PM »
I think Tesco is too big to fail. They can probably get away with scrapping hourly paid contracts for piece work contracts, they'll claim that a colleague with minimum ability can earn NLW when the reality will be that the hardest worker can only earn £6 an hour. They can treat staff worse than how how Sports Direct treats their warehouse staff and they can get away with it, the Union oiks won't care, they'll threaten something along the lines of a customer boycott, but the customers are like the die hard Tory and Labour voters, you can have literal faeces as the leader of the party and they'll still vote for them, Tesco is the same in that regard, we can provide any old service, the company can have the ethics of A Dictator and the masses will keep coming in.
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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #161 on: 28-05-19, 08:11PM »
Tesco would not be able to get away with a peice work system, as the law says everyone has to be paid the correct minimum legal wage per hour, saying if someone for example can work 4 cages per hour they get min wage but someone who only works three gets 75% of min wage would result in the company ending up being taken to court very quickly.
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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #162 on: 28-05-19, 08:18PM »
Well low pay = bad/ low workforce= low profit= closure of non profitable stores. Then opening new one and later closing another etc.
https://www.mashed.com/148703/the-real-reason-walmart-is-closing-down-stores/ look at that Behemoth and compare its situation with tesco.

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #163 on: 28-05-19, 11:29PM »
I think Tesco is too big to fail. They can probably get away with scrapping hourly paid contracts for piece work contracts, they'll claim that a colleague with minimum ability can earn NLW when the reality will be that the hardest worker can only earn £6 an hour. They can treat staff worse than how how Sports Direct treats their warehouse staff and they can get away with it, the Union oiks won't care, they'll threaten something along the lines of a customer boycott, but the customers are like the die hard Tory and Labour voters, you can have literal faeces as the leader of the party and they'll still vote for them, Tesco is the same in that regard, we can provide any old service, the company can have the ethics of A Dictator and the masses will keep coming in.
just like people keep doing overtime and working bank holidays for less premium than they used to get.

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #164 on: 29-05-19, 09:18AM »
Yes some will leave but not many. There would be no pay freeze as in April tesco will be legally forced to give us pay rise.  If we loose night premium then lot of people will leave for sure.

When was the last time anyone in Tesco went out on strike over pay? That's how they get away with it.

The stores gave up their right to strike when they accepted the partnership agreement...which has eroded over the years...every year something in it is altered or excluded from the updated version to the detriment of the workforce  :thumbdown:
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« Reply #165 on: 29-05-19, 12:39PM »
The only way in which there can be a possible ballot of members regarding a pay deal is if, after the involvement of the UK Operations Director and the Usdaw General Secretary, the National Forum Reps still cannot come to an agreement via a majority to accept the proposed pay deal.

The chances of that happening are very slim indeed to say the least.
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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #166 on: 29-05-19, 12:59PM »
Morrison's had a vote  looks like its going to ACAS this is from Usdaw site.
 
Morrisons has officially announced that the declined pay deal will go to arbitration and that ACAS will decide if it is fair.
Please can we have a statement from USDAW in relation to how this works?
I have read posts from members who feel let down by this as they assume that after their vote, a third party will decide for them.
We really need to clarify this process because Morrisons always seem good at deflecting their responsibility on this issue and leaving members and non-members blaming the union for a failure that hasn't even happened

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« Reply #167 on: 29-05-19, 03:36PM »
Tesco would not be able to get away with a peice work system, as the law says everyone has to be paid the correct minimum legal wage per hour, saying if someone for example can work 4 cages per hour they get min wage but someone who only works three gets 75% of min wage would result in the company ending up being taken to court very quickly.

The law says piece work can be done on a fair rate basis which can circumvent the minimum wage, the only problem that Tesco would have with this is that workers can't be forced to work hours in a clock in clock out sort of way.

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #168 on: 29-05-19, 08:35PM »
And how do you measure the customer service component of everyone's job in a meaningful way as piece work?
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« Reply #169 on: 29-05-19, 08:50PM »
There is no tried and tested method for applying a piece work system in retail, but the idea would use the governments "fair rate" system for every unit or "piece" of work done (which naively would be per item put out or per item scanned when serving a customer) the fair rate calculation is done by having a sample of workers being measured (from a diverse group in terms of ability) taking the average rate, dividing it by the national living wage and then multiplying it by 1.2x, the interesting thing about this system though, is that workers can legally be paid less than the nlw if there isn't enough work to do, but also can't be employed under a piece work system if they have to clock in and out.

Tesco being the underhand fascists they are though will have their "diverse group" being the kind to have a scan rate per hour of between 2000-3000 items.
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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #170 on: 29-05-19, 08:56PM »
I can't see Tesco going to a piecemeal system of pay.  If you had to work x cases to get full pay how would people willingly spend 5 minutes assisting a elderly or disabled customer?

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« Reply #171 on: 29-05-19, 09:02PM »
Paid per task or piece of work done.  Workers paid per task they perform or piece of work they do (known as piece work) are classed as doing ‘output work’. They must be paid either at least the minimum wage for every hour worked or on the basis of a ‘fair rate’ for each task or piece of work they do.

Tesco could probably devise a system such that nobody would be earning the nlw, they won't give 2 stuffings if poor old Mrs Patterson doesn't have a ca to help them shop if their ca's are working as hard as they can for their £5 an hour.  If they could make it work, DL would have saved the company billions on the operation budget, more than they would make from the repeat custom of all the poor old Mrs Pattersons.
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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #172 on: 30-05-19, 08:27AM »
Many many years ago I worked with a guy who worked for tesco in Poland.  He said that every day he had to fill 2 sections(aisles etc) and he had 8 hours to do that (normal working day).  I do not remember day rate but let me give some example how he explained it to me.

One aisle 100 pln , second 100pln. It had to be done within 8 hours.  He was trying to do the job asap so for example if he did that in 6 hours he  took 200pln and had a choice: go home or stay longer and pick up another aisle for another 100pln.  So instead working 8 hours for 200 pln he usually worked 12hours for 400pln. Often he did that 6 days a week. That was 15+ years ago then he came to UK. That guy was good, very good worker, even to good as mgrs expected from him to fill produce on his own (extra store with two wagons of delivery over night). Sadly there is bad end of this story but the point is that tesco already posses knowledge/experience with performance related pay or better reward system.

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« Reply #173 on: 30-05-19, 11:13AM »
Those hard working Polish...

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #174 on: 04-06-19, 01:23PM »
No news on the pay deal. Managers were informed yesterday so I hear cheers