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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #50 on: 17-04-19, 07:34AM »
The issue at Tesco was Shift Leaders and certain cas in Express being forced to work through their unpaid break, a paid break is definitely better than an unpaid one.

But yes, it irks me that more people aren't quitting for any of Tescos competitors, I only work Sundays (8.5 hours a week, get paid 7.75 hours) so i'm in the position where on a per hour basis i'm better off working at Tesco than their competitors, but for any other situation where you're not contracted to Sundays, any of the other big 4 is better.

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #51 on: 17-04-19, 08:42AM »
Not paying breaks is a con and a ploy used to put your pay up and hours down at no extra cost to the company.  A full timer on £8.50 for 39 hours, will go to £9.08 and 36.5 hours.  What looks better, when in fact both are the same.  So companies now like Asda and Sainsbury's on over £9 per hour, if, and it's a big if, the Min wage comes in at £9.20 next year Asda and Sainsbury's will not have to put up wages too much, but poor old Tesco will.

But don't worry about poor old Tesco, they used this ploy years ago to put wages up before the Min wage for the same reason.  And of course if the min wage doesn't go to £9.20 the likes of Asda and Sainsbury's will start giving staff poor or no pay rises till the gap closes, exactly the same thing that Tesco have done over the last few years, up to a point where if they didn't give a decent pay rise last year they would be forced to give one.

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #52 on: 17-04-19, 11:46AM »
Yes, also the fact that Tesco.owns 25-27% of the market at the moment compared to 15 and 16% by Sainsburies and Asda sets a poor example by Tesco. If they're the market leaders they should be paying leading rates, even Tescos management pay is below par compared to the big 4 (Sainsburies CTMs start at just above 22k a year, this is a comparable role to Shift Leaders in Express, an SM in Express at Tesco starts on 26k a year, at Sainsburies they're started on 30k a year).

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #53 on: 17-04-19, 12:10PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/apr/16/asda-staff-could-end-up-500-worse-off-under-wage-changes-says-mp

What annoys me is that Asda is getting criticized for this, yet Tescos pay conditions are worse, yet the media doesn't scrutinize Tescos rate of pay.

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #54 on: 17-04-19, 05:50PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/apr/16/asda-staff-could-end-up-500-worse-off-under-wage-changes-says-mp

Interesting point in the above article.
Asda to cut nightshift to  midnight until 5am.
If staff only have a half hour break, it's will be  impossible to fill a large store in, 4 1/2 hours, unless they double the amount of staff!
Even less time to replenish when you take into account set up at the start and clear off and tidying up at the end of the shift.
Absolutely clueless number crunchers sat in  head office......... probably never even set foot in a shop!!

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #55 on: 18-04-19, 07:27AM »
It's particularly annoying when I wake up to the radio and ads and everyone going on "I got my pay rise.. Did you? Check your salary today on gov.uk"

Everyone but tesco seems to got a pay rise. Even lidl and asda (at least ones I know of) got pay rise.

Tesco: £8.426 an hour (how it's .6 of a p)

Aldi: £9.10-£10.55 minimum (already better then us) and after 3 years £10.41 to £10.89

Sainsburys from £9.20

Lidl from £9

Asda: mixed. (£8.96+ average, depends on location and sinc sainsburys took over.. Some getting pay rise some getting cuts worse then tesco my mate gets £9.80 hour but he worked there 10 years)

M&S no pay rise at £8.75+ (still better then tesco)

Morrisons from £8.52

Iceland from £8 (wow teaco is better then Iceland)


So only Iceland is worse then tesco. I'm wonder if I should move to aldi or lidl! 😂

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Quoted off several sites.

Currently the Living Wage stands at £9 an hour in the UK for people to afford rent, bills, food and live confortably. We urge the goverment to raise this to reflect rising rent and bills.

Bit unfair as "budget" or "cheap" supermarkets like lidl and aldi pay more then a mid class supermarket like tesco.

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #56 on: 18-04-19, 02:09PM »
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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #57 on: 18-04-19, 03:36PM »
Minimum wage is £8 21 per hour,with paid breaks that equates to £8.77 per hour,Iceland must be paying the min wage.With paid breaks into account paying more than this shower of shite tosco.
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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #58 on: 18-04-19, 05:08PM »
I've been thinking of what I would consider fair. A rise to say 8.80, 4.5%, in July would be reasonable and would exceed most staffs expectations.It would only be a couple of percent above the following years rise in minimum wage. The comparator for Tesco ga wages is, I consider to be the minimum wage, since for the majority of the last few years we have been very close to it for most of the financial year. I Don't really consider it a fair rise if it is only paid for four or five months of the year. Also many of us did not see that much of a rise with the cuts in premiums in the last two pay rewards. It seems to be clear that many of the jobs that will survive their cost cutting are the more physical ones. Working grocery is physically hard. I'm in my 40s and have been doing it for ten years. I just don't move as well as I used to. I'm moved to a different aisle most days and it does seem like it's always me. Yesterday I had 8 cages of house and pet which I struggled with. Bare in mind that I have worked house and pet maybe a couple of times in the last few months. I work tins a couple of days a week and this is a massive effort for me. Anyway, the point is I feel really conflicted about working hard for this company. The offer isn't nearly enough. What would I have to look forward to supposing I spent the rest of my working life at Tesco, a knackered body and a pension that is worth pocket money.
Tesco also have one of the highest ceo to average worker earnings ratios in the ftse 100. This would also suggest that we deserve more and we are compliant in our senior management's greed. It's difficult to know how much money Tesco senior management is taking out of the business without seeing the accounts and the information in the accounts may well be summarised but I think there are a minority, of pretty nasty, people at the top taking a lot of money out of the business. I hope to be gone soon.

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #59 on: 18-04-19, 05:37PM »
Info on directors pay - this is from 2018 annual report (so based on our annual results up to Feb 2018).

Anyone interested in reading, here's the link

https://www.tescoplc.com/media/474793/tesco_ar_2018.pdf

Jump to page 50 (of actual document)


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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #60 on: 19-04-19, 09:32AM »
Payrise thread??

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #61 on: 20-04-19, 10:07AM »
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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #62 on: 20-04-19, 10:48AM »
As no payrise is on offer the next few days would be the ideal time for an unofficial strike. No produce stocked, no BWS and no soft drinks for the long weekend and warm weather.  >:D

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #63 on: 20-04-19, 01:22PM »
Just had someone ring me to go in tomorrow or Monday to make roll .dont do overtime since they screwed us over .i shall just sit and laugh my head off at home karma feels good.

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #64 on: 22-04-19, 10:59AM »
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/lpc-welcomes-acceptance-of-its-2019-minimum-wage-rate-recommendations

Tesco finds itself, yet again perilously close to the National Living Wage, I'm sensing a 2 year staggered pay deal where they get rid of premiums on the 2nd year (2021) for about 20p.

Night premium has to go up as well, the pay differentials for doing a nightshift compared to a day shift just doesn't make it worth doing.

In fact, i'm pretty sure this new national living wage increase means that anyone that sacrifices 5% or above of their wages (at ca/grade A level) for their pension will make them fall below the national living wage. A payrise out of necessity may have to happen.
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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #65 on: 22-04-19, 11:58AM »
Anyone earning minimum wage of £8.21 and getting paid breaks,is earning more than tosco are paying on £8.42.

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #66 on: 22-04-19, 12:56PM »
I'm actually wondering where Tesco stands legally with regard to the salary sacrifice element of their pension scheme, the standard amount taken off is 5% (it can be lower, but the law says that all employers must offer a pension scheme, Tesco touts their defined benefit scheme as "competitive") but any deduction of 5% to a Grade A employee would bring their take home to £8 per hour (below the National Living Wage) does the law say it's £8.21 before all deductions (not including National Insurance and Income Tax.)

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« Reply #67 on: 22-04-19, 02:28PM »
https://www.gov.uk/understanding-your-pay/deductions-from-your-pay

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A deduction cannot normally reduce your pay below the National Minimum Wage even if you agree to it, except if the deduction is for:

    tax or National Insurance
    something you’ve done and your contract says you’re liable for it, for example a shortfall in your till if you work in a shop
    repayment of a loan or advance of wages
    repayment of an accidental overpayment of wages
    buying shares or share options in the business
    accommodation provided by your employer
    your own use, for example union subscriptions or pension contributions

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #68 on: 22-04-19, 07:28PM »
So if WPP will reduce pay below NMW them tesco will have to offer big pay increase. From 1 april pension stand at 8% where 5% is employee contribution.

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« Reply #69 on: 22-04-19, 08:24PM »
If the National Living Wage does increase to £9.20 an hour, Tesco has to pay at least 78p more per hour at the next pay review this year, no doubt if they do they'll get rid of premiums altogether (Sainsbury's at the moment pays a bank holiday premium and has a £9.20 base rate of pay, their unpaid breaks are also shorter than Tesco, a 9 hour shift there means you get a 1 hour unpaid break, not a 1.5 hour unpaid one.)  And that is if they want to be paying the minimum (which is definitely a culture that Drastic Dave has brought to.Tesco as opposed to leading pay as it should be considering we're the number 1 retailer). Honestly jumping ship to any competitor seems to be the most logical solution at the moment.
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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #70 on: 22-04-19, 09:20PM »
Tesco is going the way of Lidl/Aldi years ago giving no hour contracts, paying near bottom of all the supermarkets and looking for far too much from staff. Just go in do your bit and don't let the managers take the p**s. Never take any more work on without negotiation.

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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #71 on: 23-04-19, 01:54PM »
I'm actually wondering where Tesco stands legally with regard to the salary sacrifice element of their pension scheme, the standard amount taken off is 5% (it can be lower, but the law says that all employers must offer a pension scheme, Tesco touts their defined benefit scheme as "competitive") but any deduction of 5% to a Grade A employee would bring their take home to £8 per hour (below the National Living Wage) does the law say it's £8.21 before all deductions (not including National Insurance and Income Tax.)

So if this is correct, how the hell are Tesco being allowed to get away with it ??????

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« Reply #72 on: 23-04-19, 03:05PM »
Give the news to the papers if anyone knows any reporters.

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« Reply #73 on: 23-04-19, 04:08PM »
Hasn't this been clarified in Nomad's thread ???

Last line of his quote as being pension contribution is an exception, or am I reading it wrong ???
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Re: Pay rise
« Reply #74 on: 23-04-19, 07:11PM »
It has, even though it is legal, it doesn't paint Tesco in a favourable light. I think Mr Lewis needs to be aware of a common fact of the job market, people will leave for jobs with better pay and conditions.