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Title: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 03-09-19, 04:12PM
Before I get shot down in flames this isn't a dig at my fellow colleagues who are Union Reps and have to deal with being the face of Useless Daw but Useless Daw itself.

Given how many people are being shafted time and time again I personally feel it's time there was a mass exodus in those of us who pay the monthly premium, only to find they've rolled over and had their bellies tickled (at our expense!)

I overheard a conversation earlier on today from a colleague affected by the FSC 'soft change' and it's plain to see Paul*ine a. hasn't got a clue and b. couldn't give a damn about those of us being messed around.

I think it's time we threw water over their fire....
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: NightAndDay on 03-09-19, 04:50PM
You can't post anti-union content on this site, it's against their interests, you'll be chocolate in their peanut butter.
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: willie2018 on 03-09-19, 05:22PM
Before I get shot down in flames this isn't a dig at my fellow colleagues who are Union Reps and have to deal with being the face of Useless Daw but Useless Daw itself.

Given how many people are being shafted time and time again I personally feel it's time there was a mass exodus in those of us who pay the monthly premium, only to find they've rolled over and had their bellies tickled (at our expense!)

I overheard a conversation earlier on today from a colleague affected by the FSC 'soft change' and it's plain to see Paul*ine a. hasn't got a clue and b. couldn't give a damn about those of us being messed around.

I think it's time we threw water over their fire....

already cancelled my sub waste of money just not what I ever expected a union to be like
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: Welshie on 03-09-19, 05:41PM
Yep , left union about 18mths ago , like you it's not a reflection on rep colleagues although we have very few now , it's the corruption at the top  , sold their integrity to T#sco long ago .
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: NightAndDay on 03-09-19, 07:03PM
Before I get shot down in flames this isn't a dig at my fellow colleagues who are Union Reps and have to deal with being the face of Useless Daw but Useless Daw itself.

Given how many people are being shafted time and time again I personally feel it's time there was a mass exodus in those of us who pay the monthly premium, only to find they've rolled over and had their bellies tickled (at our expense!)

I overheard a conversation earlier on today from a colleague affected by the FSC 'soft change' and it's plain to see Paul*ine a. hasn't got a clue and b. couldn't give a damn about those of us being messed around.

I think it's time we threw water over their fire....

If you think all what you've wrote is bad, look up the partnership agreement they have with Tesco, in that agreement they've given up the shop floor workers rights to hold a ballot for strike action, if a union can't even fulfil this fundamental action, they aren't a union.
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: captain on 03-09-19, 07:07PM
A good union rep can and will tie an average manager in knots, sadly there don't seem to be many good reps anymore.
USDAW do zero training and don't reward reps at all and that is the main problem.
Just imagine if each store had 2 fully trained reps and not 6 or 7 reps lacking experience, managers would be bricking it
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: genome on 04-09-19, 12:52AM
why don't you step up and become that good rep then
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: captain on 04-09-19, 07:04AM
Because I firmly believe that reps should be rewarded for supporting their colleagues.
Simple as that
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: Welshie on 04-09-19, 08:58AM
Captain , they cant even spend money to train them , they're never going to be rewarded !
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: VladPutin on 04-09-19, 10:23AM
A good union rep can and will tie an average manager in knots, sadly there don't seem to be many good reps anymore.
USDAW do zero training and don't reward reps at all and that is the main problem.
Just imagine if each store had 2 fully trained reps and not 6 or 7 reps lacking experience, managers would be bricking it

I remember a former Pointless Manager at my store whinging that the USDAW Rep kept getting Written Warnings etc overturned because of "technicalities". She pointed out that if managers followed the discipline process to the letter, there would be no technicalities for her to exploit. ;)
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: NightAndDay on 04-09-19, 11:12AM
Replace "technicalities" with incompetence. Most managers aren't even worth minimum wage.
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: captain on 04-09-19, 12:44PM
Correct
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Captain , they cant even spend money to train them , they're never going to be rewarded !
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Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: Teddybonkers on 04-09-19, 01:01PM
USDAW - more interested in campaigning for a left wing socialist utopia, than properly representing their members. I stopped subscribing years ago.
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 04-09-19, 04:00PM
Needless to say I'm going to be cancelling my membership ASAP.

Don't get me wrong they can come in handy at times e.g. a useless manager not following the correct process to the point they could no longer hold AR meetings until they'd been retrained  :-X.

As I say, this isn't a rant at our reps, this is a rant at those at the top who release statements to the press knowing full well they've no problems in lying in the same bed as those who take millions home whilst expecting us to jump through their hoops and be grateful for any scraps left on the floor  >:(.

I can't tolerate a lot of people but this manager in question is only one of two in our store who are decent. Needless to say if they'd have been offered redundancy as part of these "changes" they'd have lost a few experienced stockies with them too....
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: Captain001 on 04-09-19, 04:23PM
Then usdaw union have always been the worst it beggers believe that people still pay into them.they do nothing for no one.how can it be fair that colleagues loose their bonus but management don't and distribution keep theirs.in all these consultation over structure change over the last few years were have the union been no were.its about time people withdraw their membership then maybe their take notice,how can a union be a non striking union.members a taking for fools.
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: Captain001 on 04-09-19, 04:33PM
My store is currently going threw the heat map were small changes is in reality is expected nothing major or life changing.but in this store they seem to forgot that and is treating colleagues with contempt,

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Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: Danny boy on 04-09-19, 04:59PM
The union reps are nothing more that manages pets .tesco pets..dont waste your money .
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: lucgeo on 04-09-19, 05:17PM
@Captain 001
I have to reply to this, and probably bore the pants off some in the process if I'm repeating myself but...

When you sign up to be a rep, in my case for all the right reasons, the area officer is all smiles and promises. Your told you'll get training, in the six months I was waiting for training, I was expected to rep colleagues, to which I refused.

When you go for training..you start to see the pure waste of money being spent from your subs...the training consists of four days one week, three days a few months later, then two another few months later...
All expenses( apart from your evening meal )are paid. Typical training day being...
Buffet breakfast at the hotel
Arrive at training room for 9am - 10.30 then 15 min break, coffee, tea, biscuits provided
Lunch 30-45 mins, buffet provided
Afternoon break 15 min refreshments provided
All travelling expenses paid, and a daily sustenance allowance which was £14, which I categorically refused to claim for, as my daily sustenance was ample...but I'm afraid to admit some reps did claim :-X

I was also nominated to go on a weekend meeting for a new initiative forum of reps which would be held at regular intervals
Breakfast at hotel
9 am start. 10-15 break for coffee and croissants
12.30 hour lunch provided in hotel
3pm afternoon coffee and cakes
6.30 pm evening meal provided in hotel
Sustenance allowance again offered but refused
I stepped down from the forum after the first weekend meeting

Area reps meeting held in big local hotel, all reps stayed overnight averaging £100 B&b evening meal pp, I refused as a local, was informed the rooms are bulk booked anyway :-X

Money wasted on stationery, pens, bags of useless goodies i.e. balloons, cheap watches, sweets, lollipops, gym kit bags,  etc.....all sent to instore reps to hand out whilst trying to recruit...and that was the usual mantra every month from the AO, recruit,recruit recruit!

Then there's the constant awards ceremonies, with the same top levels and AO's attending each one, staying at all expenses paid hotels.

Then there's the all expenses paid AGM that the same "chosen" ones attend each year.

Then there's the all expenses paid summer schools for the "chosen" reps

Then there's the all expenses paid academies for the " chosen" reps

Then there's other diversities all expenses paid weekends, the gay pride weekend comes to mind, for reps to attend.

That's where your subs go, every year!! After all the big bosses have been paid, the area senior AO, the area AO's the union offices staff, of which there is an abundance, no staffing shortages there, all Monday-Friday 9-5  :-X

Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: wolfie on 04-09-19, 05:22PM
Danny Boy, only a fool or a wind up merchant would make a sweeping remark like that. There are poor reps in Tesco but there are a lot of really dedicated good reps. You should apply to become a rep if you think you could do better, but I doubt you will.
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: optout on 04-09-19, 08:27PM


Download of usdaw's 2018 returns (published on line a couple of months ago)
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/808886/382T_2018.pdf (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/808886/382T_2018.pdf)


Or for those who are dubious about downloading pdf files, here is the link to the governments certification's office site for the annual returns for usdaw.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/union-of-shop-distributive-and-allied-workers-annual-returns (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/union-of-shop-distributive-and-allied-workers-annual-returns)

Find out just where your money is going. And also spot some of those upper echelon Executive Council Members that @Lucgeo mentions above (some of whom probably work in a store near you, but tend not to show their faces until there's an election due). If you can't recognize their names you can usually spot them because they have usually just had a perm-refresh at around conference time. Just a hint by-the-way, just because they are 'executive council members' does not mean that they actually have a clue about your rights, even your most basic rights (I speak from experience). If you would like quality advice that easily outstrips that of an Exec Council Member ( or 'Members' as I like to call them), you can find it in any private hire taxi, or at any Hackney rank, regardless of; the language spoken, origins of the speaker, length of residence in the UK, or, your grasp or non-grasp of said language. ;)

Also on the above pages are the pay and benefits of your esteemed leader (whose name at present I am still trying to find with my tongue tip. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?).
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: specialgravy on 04-09-19, 09:43PM
i was recently at a labour party event where the top brass were speaking. there were stalls around the hall from pretty much every major union with one glaring exception...can you guess? if they are not interested in supporting a worker friendly party striving to govern, do you really think they care about you? i was a member for 10 years and had representation actually in store for roughly 3 years of those. rep was terrible, using the role solely to excuse there self from work as often as possible and went to great lengths to hide the fact that they were due for re election to keep the role, no one in the union was interested when notified. as a body paid to represent workers and negotiate on their behalf they have completely failed time and again. how many times have your hard won benefits been bartered away without consultation in return for a tiny pay increase? how much harder is your job now, compared to 7 or 8 years ago when stores were adequately staffed with well trained and experienced people? this union is complicit in the degradation of its paying members pay and conditions, anyone who continues to fund it is a fool.
 i am still a paying union member, now with unite. organise your colleagues and find proper representation with a good union that will back you up.
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 05-09-19, 09:55AM
I've heard of Unite; I'll have to have a look and see what they are like, and if they actually give a damn about their members.

The links you've provided make for sobering reading; as I say my post isn't for taking aim at our reps, many of who do a damned good job despite having to be the face of those 'higher up'; it's taking aim at the toothless wonders who are in it for themselves.

It'd be interesting to see how much they'll care if/when T decide to pull the rug from under their feet... they'd soon want to know  >:(
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: Unifo1 on 05-09-19, 04:13PM
I was a Union rep for many years until I very recently got made redundant.

Usdaw we’re useless when I needed them for advice and very difficult to get hold of.
I now believe that Usdaw are just a subsidiary of Tesco. 
I had to visit the store I was made redundant at last week and got talking to some old colleagues who have since stopped paying into the Union because they want to save money and have very little faith in it.

Usdaw seem to agree with anything Tesco wants.
Am so glad I’m out of it, and have since found better job.
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 06-09-19, 09:24AM
Pleased you've found a better job.

It speaks volumes when you're the face of the Union to your fellow colleagues in store and they aren't there for you  when you need them; but they have no qualms in sleeping with the enemy despite press releases suggesting otherwise.

Did we ever get to vote for Pau!ine as the ring leader at the circus or was it a case of finding an extremity covered in a certain bodily remnant?  :D
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: Patsy752 on 06-09-19, 06:45PM
Yes that's happening in our store.
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: penguin on 07-09-19, 09:06PM
Left the union several years ago during a previous structure change, after getting no help from reps at all, can’t go into details on here but was a witness to a fairly serious incident between two staff members a while ago, in store rep was all up for challenging it all under process, soon as she found out one of the people involved was a manager she just said it should be sorted out via a handshake, not much of a useful union at all.
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: chris9997 on 08-09-19, 05:53PM
In our store there is a campaign poster from usdaw  saying that £10 per hour should be the minimum wage  a bit  rich considering the latest pay negs from them
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: Mr Grumpy on 09-09-19, 08:43AM
I was a rep instore for a very long time, our store was one of the lucky stores than had always had a strong union presence and strong & experienced reps, so many issues that happened in other stores (like bullying and procedures/guidelines not followed) didn't occur often.

The issues are very high up the food chain in Uselessdaw, I can vividly remember at one conference being gobsmacked at what came out of a certain Pauline's mouth regarding her thoughts on staffing having to chop/change hours (wrong hours wrong place) and her general discard for the average worker rights and feelings.

My own AO was brilliant, but from experience there are many who are not, and most definitely some reps are in it just to feather their own nests, not rock the boat but still go off on all the weekends away on the members money.
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: whatajoke2019 on 09-09-19, 10:53AM
And we know very well if we got £10p/h ( ???) even more people would find themselves out of a job...

I can imagine it now.

You've been successful in your job application; you're on a two hour contract and we expect you to man checkouts, tip and back fill wagons, do Job 14 and watch out for shoplifters as well as rumble and clearing up any spillages  ;).

If you don't do that within two hours, you're fired!

As I keep saying there are some very good reps out there; it's just the usual suspects who spout so much sh*t the local water board think there's been a sewage leak!
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: NightAndDay on 09-09-19, 12:51PM
Large companies such as Tesco can easily afford to pay a minimum of £10 an hour, they just choose not to as it affects their returns to the shareholders by 2-300 million which is a drop in the ocean when looking at their profits.
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: BMW-E90 on 09-09-19, 01:19PM
Never joined the union, not worth the paper you have to sign up on! As a CDA a decent union would have worked to reduce the massive workload drivers are having to deliver now on on a regular basis!  Instead deliveries are getting heavier and more numerous! They would have also increased the pay to a respectable £10ph by now! 
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: NightAndDay on 09-09-19, 04:19PM
As bad as the union is, I sort of like Aldis aproach to USDAW membership, even though Aldi has a more fascist reputation than Tesco, at least they're honest, not owning the union for appearances only. (They're against union membership, which i find more favourable than Tescos approach.)

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.usdaw.org.uk/411&ved=2ahUKEwiAr5SKhMTkAhWNThUIHRmvAsAQFjABegQIDhAG&usg=AOvVaw2k9BVkV6H60346mYZA4lXn (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.usdaw.org.uk/411&ved=2ahUKEwiAr5SKhMTkAhWNThUIHRmvAsAQFjABegQIDhAG&usg=AOvVaw2k9BVkV6H60346mYZA4lXn)
Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: Captain001 on 09-09-19, 07:27PM
Anyone heard anything about the upcoming manager restructure, store managers meeting tomorrow?

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Title: Re: Useless Daw - Time for Action?
Post by: Vanilla on 09-09-19, 09:25PM
I can't believe people are still debating whether being a member of useless is worthwhile.  ;D
The waste of money going on.
Useless, as about useful as a chocolate teapot.