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Title: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: 1921 on 03-07-19, 11:10PM
This subject may well have been covered before, and I'm sorry if I have missed the answer despite looking for it.  Anyway, I am curious to find out whether we will be getting any bonus due for this year up to 1 September 2019, when the first stage of the 10.45% pay increase starts.  In fairness we should all be getting the bonus up until the pay rise supersedes it, but things are not always fair!  Does anyone know the answer to this please?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Beanny on 04-07-19, 12:14AM
Bonus for colleagues taken away, so just pay increase. Bonus continues for managers!
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: madness on 04-07-19, 01:20AM
As much as you are complaining about managers still gettting he bonus colleagues get their pay rise regardless of how much work or how well they do. Managers will only get a payrise if they perform well or exceed (exceed is nigh on impossible ive only had 1 out of 4 years).
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: londoner83 on 04-07-19, 07:13AM
Madness - can I also add that in many stores if the store manager is judged to be not performing they will automatically give every other manager the same grade regardless of individual performance......
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: forrestgimp on 04-07-19, 10:31AM
Wouldn't you be able to question that though? I mean giving people bad reviews out of spite would seem to me something grievance worthy.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: NightAndDay on 04-07-19, 02:06PM
Performance is based on the Big 6 results, the way they measure the customer and colleagues measure is flawed, i.e the SM and various department managers can just do the WMTY surveys meant for the ca's putting down excellent for everything to get a blue on the colleagues messure. Similarly you can put good reviews for your store yourself periodically.

A better system would be to base 60% of customer measure on the sales measure 40% on the number of complaints/appraisals received. After all getting red on sales but blue on customers would seem strange to Tesco head office people who says award winning service is what drive sales.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Nomad on 04-07-19, 02:19PM
One question, one 'assumed' moan, four more posts and we've drifted away from the OP's question.   8-) 8-)
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Walker on 04-07-19, 02:35PM
I am curious to find out whether we will be getting any bonus due for this year up to 1 September 2019, when the first stage of the 10.45% pay increase starts. 

No. GA's will not get any bonus.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: taliahad on 04-07-19, 06:03PM
Great thinking Tesco, why should I work hard just to give my manager a bonus? This is a massive disincentive for many people.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: mardy on 04-07-19, 07:05PM
I dont work in store so im not privy to any information
Was there not a vote on the decision to take the bonus on your top line or keep an annual bonus ?
if there was no vote then USDAW should be taken to court for making this decision without its members consent
If there was a vote and youre not a member of the union then you just got to suck it up.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: NightAndDay on 04-07-19, 10:33PM
On paper, pay rises are negotiated between Tesco and USDAW, USDAW being a union are meant to voice the will of it's members, however we get no say in what we're paid. This is because Tesco brought USDAW back from the brink of collapse a few years ago, Tesco realising it's better to have a union for public face brought USDAW back and the "Tesco partnership agreement" happened soon after with one of the tenets of the agreement being USDAW can't petition a ballot for strike action against Tesco. USDAW are basically Tescos puppet, they're not a union in the real sense, just on paper. Also you can't sue unions, the government considers them above the law (though unions also do have significant pull in terms of law making).
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: lucgeo on 05-07-19, 12:08PM
Tesco's puppets USDAW do voice the the will of its members in the pay negotiations. They bring in their own puppets, who are meant to be representing the members...yet to ever have heard of any of them, or met any of them, but they are wined and dined, full time daily pay whilst absent from store and our subs used to pay for it. And all they have to do is nod in agreement when instructed.

How Trev off trolleys, or Doris from the deli, who may be bloody good reps in their store, are to have the experience, knowledge or gumption to solely challenge a proposal or motion brought by the union hierarchy, who, let's face it, will already have sealed the deal, is ludicrous. They know, we know, everybody knows they are only there for USDAW to be seen to be doing :-X
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: lordadmiral on 05-07-19, 12:52PM
Bonus is scrapped so few could benefit from one higher basic rate. Unfortunately it looks like that people who negotiate new pay are those who do not believe in fair pay system. They just want everyone to be paid the same no matter what role, workload, general productivity etc.... It sound nice but in reality it is just 'low pay' for everyone (well most of us).
Annual bonus is one of the most important schemes in running business.

'You want something extra?! Then work for it' ... but now? what is the point.
Yes you might keep managers bonus, but no manager can deliver if he or she do not have people who will 'work' for them/ with them.

It would be funny to see peoples faces (those who f***ed up negotiations) when two years later tesco will make so much profit that all debt will be wiped off, pension hole plugged and some billions spare in bank.  Money that will go to no one else other than top management and share holders.  Everyone in store will be working for just a few pence above NLW.
Then you will see/ hear all the voices moaning why our pay is low, why no bonuses are given or better pay rise. Well because you are the one who didn't want it in the first place.

If we at least had that 1.5% left it would be better than nothing.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: lordadmiral on 05-07-19, 06:59PM
Just had email from Leigh Day as loss of annual premium would be used in equal pay claim.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: forrestgimp on 05-07-19, 07:51PM
Tesco's puppets USDAW do voice the the will of its members in the pay negotiations. They bring in their own puppets, who are meant to be representing the members...yet to ever have heard of any of them, or met any of them, but they are wined and dined, full time daily pay whilst absent from store and our subs used to pay for it. And all they have to do is nod in agreement when instructed.

How Trev off trolleys, or Doris from the deli, who may be bloody good reps in their store, are to have the experience, knowledge or gumption to solely challenge a proposal or motion brought by the union hierarchy, who, let's face it, will already have sealed the deal, is ludicrous. They know, we know, everybody knows they are only there for USDAW to be seen to be doing :-X

I knew some of them and I voted one of them onto the national forum where he got onto the pay review. He got hounded out by Tesco and Usdaw due to not towing the party line just before he finished he had about 3 grievances out with tesco and usdaw over their shady dealings, His name was Dave he was from Sheffield and he got voted onto the national forum at the regional meeting we had at Worksop branch many years ago back when Steve Rodgers was our SD.

So he stuck up for us he was an ex miner and took no prisoners (he was a rep as well you can not be on the pay review team without being a rep).

Now the other person is a guy initials M. W. an area organiser and one of the union bods on the pay review team and as far as I am aware he still is..... That guy is a complete and utter waste of time, his favourite stock phrase when you go to him for help is 'You have to look at it from Tesco's point of view' and he was the person that had the problem with dave.

All this was years ago but nothing has changed in the intervening years.

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Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: genome on 06-07-19, 03:59AM
Wouldn't surprise me if Tesco wanted Ross of the bonus regardless. If usdaw had tried to get them to keep it they would have just made it a meaningless amount. It's been getting smaller every year.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: NightAndDay on 06-07-19, 02:37PM
The only way things will change in terms of compensation is when people start chasing other opportunities (i.e, any other supermarket) if staff turnover rate increases HR advisors will advise Tesco directors to compare market rates and see how they stack and why they're failing to retain staff past "natural wastage" amounts.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Toscoboy on 08-07-19, 07:15PM
Bonus for colleagues taken away, so just pay increase. Bonus continues for managers!

What managers are keeping the bonus scheme? Is it team managers? Store managers in Express? Senior team managers or just large format store managers? Does anyone have clarification on who is actually keeping a yearly bonus?
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: DJL on 08-07-19, 08:07PM
Team and Senior TeamManagers, WL 1&2
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Toscoboy on 08-07-19, 09:17PM
Team and Senior TeamManagers, WL 1&2

What about Express store managers then?
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: DJL on 08-07-19, 09:37PM
Just says WL 1 and 2

Express SM classed WL2; but with different t&c’s id imagine!
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: madness on 08-07-19, 09:52PM
Interesting all distribution will get it. Looks like a way (rightly so in my opinion) of fighting against this belief that shop floor sitting on a checkout is equal work to warehouse.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: NightAndDay on 08-07-19, 10:14PM
Exception being 24 hour Esso alliance stores on nights, no self serve, no pay at pump, take superstore level money with express level resources. Workload there makes distribution look like an office job.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Toscoboy on 08-07-19, 11:23PM
Just says WL 1 and 2

Express SM classed WL2; but with different t&c’s id imagine!

Thanks for that info, greatly appreciated...



Interesting all distribution will get it. Looks like a way (rightly so in my opinion) of fighting against this belief that shop floor sitting on a checkout is equal work to warehouse.

I dont agree with the distribution on getting any bonus what so ever, they need to learn how to stack a cage properly following health and safety procedures
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: lucgeo on 09-07-19, 07:05AM
The way I'm reading it, is that all salaried colleagues receive a bonus, so would that be all managers  :question: WL 1&2 office colleagues :question:

Agree with tosco, not all store staff work on checkouts. The loaded cages are worked instore by everyone, women and men, unloading the same volume and weight that the distribution colleague loaded. Not only are some of them loaded dangerously, but how they are loaded, is a waste of money, which results in waste going on instore budget.
 
But then I've always been a firm believer of, "a day in my shoes"  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: A8442612 on 10-07-19, 11:46AM
Great thinking Tesco, why should I work hard just to give my manager a bonus? This is a massive disincentive for many people.
Something seriously wrong there isn't there. Harder I work the more bonus my manager gets, fu$£ that!
No incentive to work hard anymore these days. Now it's just a "Thanks for Today"!
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Rad on 10-07-19, 04:50PM
Did colleagues or managers really go the extra mile for sales and service to get 2.5% bonus?

Ive not come across many?

Do you think that line/lead managers let the fact that most wl3 store managers get 40% bonus determine how hard they work?

Thats gone on for decades.

If you want the 2.5% bonus back,  gather support and take it to the forum.  Maybe they'll freeze a future pay rise to get it back for you.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Redshoes on 10-07-19, 07:58PM
Well said
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: lordadmiral on 10-07-19, 08:36PM
No more incentive to work or atleast to do bit more.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: lordadmiral on 10-07-19, 08:53PM
https://www.inc.com/john-boitnott/7-reasons-you-should-pay-your-employees-above-average-salaries.html (https://www.inc.com/john-boitnott/7-reasons-you-should-pay-your-employees-above-average-salaries.html)
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: taliahad on 12-07-19, 06:56AM
Did colleagues or managers really go the extra mile for sales and service to get 2.5% bonus?

Ive not come across many?

Do you think that line/lead managers let the fact that most wl3 store managers get 40% bonus determine how hard they work?

Thats gone on for decades.

If you want the 2.5% bonus back,  gather support and take it to the forum.  Maybe they'll freeze a future pay rise to get it back for you.

It's all psychological,  If you feel that your company appreciates you, pays you fairly and treats you well, then most people repay that investment by working hard, taking pride in their work and doing their very best.  It's feeling a part of the company team, I'm sure we've all had that in previous employment but Tesco treat their staff so badly, nobody has that feeling, it's very toxic to work there. 

As for the manager's bonus, well if you like your manager all well and good but if you don't then your not going to want them to get their bonus.  I also don't see why we have to lose our meager bonus just because we've been given a meager pay rise.  Why can't we have both?  Why can't they share the profits out a bit? 

Nothing about Tesco makes me care about it, I do what I have to do and go home, I could do more, I could do better but I don't and neither do a lot of people. 
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Mr Grumpy on 12-07-19, 08:35AM
In Ye Olden days, when the stores were packed full of full timers who cared about their departments, store and the company it was in the big T's interest to keep these staff, pay them a top for retail salary with plenty of bonus type rewards.

As retail has gone completely 180 from what it was, a company that employs as many now as the big T knows it doesn't have to pay anymore than the absolute minimum and they will still get applicants for jobs due to the current uncertainly around the BX word.

I don't think the removal of benefits and above minimum wage pay will stop until they catch up and the staff will be left with zero benefits and a minimum wage job. 

There already is a high turnover of staff, this seems to be a business plan of turnstile type employment making the staff cheaper and cheaper to fund.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: penguin on 12-07-19, 10:06AM
I'm afraid its just retail in general now, unless you are at store manager level or above when it comes to pay and benefits the whole industry is on a race to the bottom. I know hourly rates might be increasing for many retail staff but is that not in many cases to ensure minimum wage levels are met.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: NightAndDay on 12-07-19, 10:18AM
Yes, some make no bones about that being the case (i.e Sainsbury's set their hourly rate to £9.20 over a year ago when Tesco was paying £8.02 an hour) they initially stated that it was to meet the governments target of the national living wage being £9.20 an hour by 2020.

Though you can disparage Sainsbury's for admitting that, they did raise it to that level 2 years before 2020, many would argue that it is a preferred approach to Tescos give and take, nickel and Dime approach to their increases through their misleading "2 year pay deals".

As for the other retailers, their terms and conditions were pretty much the same as Tesco before the race to meet the national living wage, the difference is the union had actually pressured the companies to give appropriate pay raises and terms and conditions, this didn't happen with Tesco as Tesco owns USDAW.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: lucgeo on 12-07-19, 11:03AM
All retailers are streamlining their business' due to low footfall, high business rates and the impact from online competition. Which is why I was suprised when Tesco ceased ther online  sector.

It's natural evolution, the big department stores took trade from the small family business', the supermarkets took trade from the department stores, the superstores went out of town on lower business rates, then the retail parks emerged, and now they're all competing online, and the losers are the workforce, as they're now surplus to requirements. Retail is a dying breed, and we're the lemmings at the front  :(
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Shoestring on 12-07-19, 12:56PM
As much as you are complaining about managers still getting he bonus colleagues get their pay rise regardless of how much work or how well they do. Managers will only get a payrise if they perform well or exceed (exceed is nigh on impossible Ive only had 1 out of 4 years).

The point is the devaluation of the mortal workforce.
Managers still get a pay rise in line with inflation like everyone else, you also get the bonus incentive as where general staff are no longer even considered as worthy of anything extra for their work. I mean come on, seriously, an area where all outdated food and bread is put out for staff, never could there be anything so debasing as that, even food banks have fresh in date food ffs!

It is devaluation and debasing on pyramid scheme like ethics. Tesco has always favoured management by the way they are taught to belittle regular staff and all incentives to management and above. Tesco treat it's general staff like a modern slave trade industry, changing whatever they want whenever they want regardless of the lives they are doing it to.
The difference in the pay gap between management and general staff is such a chasm that it mimics the establishment in every way.

But, the moral of this story is self fulfilling, the greed and insensitivities will eventually undo a good thing, is undoing a good thing and will eventually destroy it and it won't be our loss and won't in all reality be exactly undeserving!  :-X
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: madness on 12-07-19, 01:43PM
No more incentive to work or atleast to do bit more.
Did you do "that bit more" the previous years when you got a bonus. From most of the posters on this site they didn't anyway.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Welshie on 12-07-19, 01:55PM
I can honestly say I never thought of mine or managers bonus , I go in do my best and go home . Admittedly I do not go the extra that I would have in my previous department  but I really liked it and it was a hard working , friendly,  well managed team  , it wasn't my choice to move .
I will always do my best no matter where I work as work ethic was ingrained in me growing up but the past 18mths I have just learnt to do as I'm told and if something not done or finished because I've been called away somewhere else , well that's not my problem and its above my pay grade to worry about it . I stay because I have full holidays and that's what's important to me , we all stay for different reasons . We just have to accept it will never be the company it was and stop stressing about it , it wont change back , ever !
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: NightAndDay on 12-07-19, 02:14PM
That's the thing, you don't have to accept it, find another job that pays better, most places do, failing that, upskill yourself. At the end of the day Tesco depends on your lack of self worth and self respect to stay in business, the managers are there to make you feel worthless and to tow the company line and perpetuate the cycle.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Shoestring on 12-07-19, 02:18PM
No more incentive to work or atleast to do bit more.
Did you do "that bit more" the previous years when you got a bonus. From most of the posters on this site they didn't anyway.

Maybe some of us do more as a standard way of working as it is in us in our core and cannot be taught or bought. In fact, in that sense 'small' staff are being disenfranchised to the point it teaches that more and better does not pay off.
I have a natural propensity to please and help others, this has the potential to erode that and defy the logic of my natural instincts.

Business like life should evolve, this is devolution in the name of money for all the wrong reasons when you know profit is boldly increasing, so should working conditions and incentives, you can't move forward and backward at the same time unless it be in the name of money and retail it seems.

They aught remove the stupid think tank board of green and red light performance as it is insulting and irrelevant.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Welshie on 12-07-19, 04:39PM
That's the thing, you don't have to accept it, find another job that pays better, most places do, failing that, upskill yourself. At the end of the day Tesco depends on your lack of self worth and self respect to stay in business, the managers are there to make you feel worthless and to tow the company line and perpetuate the cycle.

My self worth is not defined by the job I do or by Tesco , as a wife , mother , daughter and sister , work is a very small part of who i am . What defined me is what I do when not in work , time with family and several holidays a year are what make me who I am , I don't go to another job because I don't want to waste time commuting and don't want to have to build up holidays again . They can keep their bonus , give one to managers , whatever , Tescos is a job , s a GA , it's not a career , you cant let define you !!
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: NightAndDay on 12-07-19, 04:49PM
The point i'm trying to make is, by accepting the erosion of your workers rights, your pay package, your conditions etc, you're saying to USDAW and to Tesco "I am happy for the disparity of wages between the top and bottom of the hierarchy to be larger, I'm happy to give up my rights, I'm happy to be an even smaller component of the corporate machine". Regardless of how you define your self worth, society runs on top of money and eventually, you'll be forced to fight for your workers rights.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: lordadmiral on 12-07-19, 08:38PM
No more incentive to work or atleast to do bit more.
Did you do "that bit more" the previous years when you got a bonus. From most of the posters on this site they didn't anyway.
Yes i did. I am a person who can fill produce (3 aisles)and beer aisle in superstore on my own. Or drinks  and wine.
The better pay i had the harder i worked.
When we had team of good hard working people we used to work together for better results.
Try to fill whole cage of sqash in 12 minutes ( timed to test myself). No left overs, all out. And compare that with average working time of 40 minutes today.

Structure change drive good workers out of the business thrue redundancy. Some quit as managers tried to change theirs shifts, or expected from guy who was hit by car to fill 3 aisles as usuall even he didnt recover from injuries, other quit as managers told him  that filling 20 cages of yoghurt, milk dollys is not enough.
When we already lost few key members managers expected from remaining ones pick up even more although we been given some replacement. So the more we did other did less. So few more people left.

Today for example dairy with 4 workers require help to fill roughly 70% of what 3 people did few years ago.
10 cages of crisps and one cage of sweets (plus stock on capping shelves) i too much for some guy. But its its entirely fine when i am expected to fill 28 cages of crisps and 10 cages of sweets plus capping shelves.

We do advertise vacancys but we do not attract good workers.  Just those who are extremely bad.
Few weeks ago we had 25 people to fill 21 aisles. We failled badly,delivery only, and one aisle completely left for next day.
Its only 4 people who deliver exceptional performance ( including myself) but we alredy refusing to do that. If we are ask to do more we argue and refuse to do it or atleast we work so slow that we are failing.
Managers cant do anything to us as we do more than others and they are facing discrimination charges ( it longer story).

I worked as TL and manager so i did benefit from hard work. Today i wont no matter what i do. Top bosses do everything to destroy company or atleast bnefit them not all of us.
I end up in office many times in last few years  for speaking up, defending others, thinking 'pro business' to increase sale.
Not only that , due failed audit, we cant do some things due health and safety. But when i pointed it out few years ago i ended up in office with warning.

So in last word i say: tesco ' you want something from me? give me respected pay'...
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: forrestgimp on 13-07-19, 09:35AM
That's the thing, you don't have to accept it, find another job that pays better, most places do, failing that, upskill yourself. At the end of the day Tesco depends on your lack of self worth and self respect to stay in business, the managers are there to make you feel worthless and to tow the company line and perpetuate the cycle.

My self worth is not defined by the job I do or by Tesco , as a wife , mother , daughter and sister , work is a very small part of who i am . What defined me is what I do when not in work , time with family and several holidays a year are what make me who I am , I don't go to another job because I don't want to waste time commuting and don't want to have to build up holidays again . They can keep their bonus , give one to managers , whatever , Tescos is a job , s a GA , it's not a career , you cant let define you !!


Thats what they dont seem to realise, we will put up with this because its a means to an end we have as welshie so rightly puts it other things that set the value for our lives.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: lucgeo on 13-07-19, 11:04AM
Did colleagues or managers really go the extra mile for sales and service to get 2.5% bonus?

Ive not come across many?

Do you think that line/lead managers let the fact that most wl3 store managers get 40% bonus determine how hard they work?

Thats gone on for decades.

If you want the 2.5% bonus back,  gather support and take it to the forum.  Maybe they'll freeze a future pay rise to get it back for you.

Was the bonus not put in place as a reward for meeting the big 6? Isn't that what people were told before filling in their WMTY? So has the big 6 targets now been shelved?
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: forrestgimp on 13-07-19, 11:10AM
Yea although I thought it was so they could quietly do away with our free shares. 
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: lucgeo on 13-07-19, 11:16AM
@lordadmiral

Your post is spot on, echoes all stores, losing good staff hand over fist, not just old timers who can do the job as second nature, and still abide by the old Tesco core values...but newer staff who have the enthusiasm and drive, but they are seen as goffers by management, who want to keep them down so they can be used as lackeys. The good ones, who know their worth and won't be put on, don't stay long.

@Welshie

Nailed it!!! Go girl go  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: taliahad on 14-07-19, 07:42AM
Some interesting comments above.  I just wonder why every other supermarket can do better for their staff and customers than Tesco can?  Let's be honest, not many people like the company at all. 

Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Redshoes on 14-07-19, 08:00AM
I don't think bonus was apriciated by all. I don't know much about benefits as I have never had to claim them but a friend has said it seriously messes things up for her. I have always enjoyed my bonus but if it has caused difficulties for those that have to claim benefits I can see why they have changed it as more and more part time people now.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Toscoboy on 14-07-19, 08:51AM
I don't think bonus was apriciated by all. I don't know much about benefits as I have never had to claim them but a friend has said it seriously messes things up for her. I have always enjoyed my bonus but if it has caused difficulties for those that have to claim benefits I can see why they have changed it as more and more part time people now.

To some people the bonus was there yearly holiday from who I've spoken to. It was a way that Tesco could silently say to there colleagues thanks for all your hard work over the year, heres a % bonus, thankyou very much... Instead they've made another money saver for the share holders by getting shut of the bonus. It will save the company millions which again makes drasticdave look good for his share holders.

When people are questioning weather people worked harder for there bonus, if people were clever enough they would have realised that any overtime done would go towards there bonus. For example I worked 6 days a week for 8 months roughly and that made a massive chunk to my bonus. Now there is no bonus I ain't working harder to achieve nothing but the bare minimum. How can they even say they have gave us a 10.45% wage increase when we are on 10.29 p/h and it only goes up to 11.16 p/h, it's not even 10.45%, should be 1.03 increase p/h but its 87p increase, just a load of BS!!!
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: lucgeo on 14-07-19, 09:32AM
So we had shares in success, followed by a free buffet which was kicked into touch, then we had the bonus, used as a tool by managers to give a good WMTY, kicked into touch. When drastic cleared the shelves of popular brands, we were given little booklets to note a customer request to reinstall or offer a substitute, never used as the customers just walked. Assets were sold hand over fist, Tesco online kicked into touch, premium pay cut, subsidised meals kicked into touch as canteens closed down, replacing with 25% discount in customer cafe (if your store has one) which will be kicked into touch as customers start complaining no free tables as all taken up by staff, and the profits are down due to the discount, which was already happening as the staff made a point of getting a drink during busy trading periods to fill up the tables, in protest of the canteen closures and staff redundancies. The social fund is no longer used for staff outings etc. Which used to be subsidised by Tesco, it's mainly used for Christmas party night out, planned by management and no longer free for staff. The Christmas lunch...will that be lost? or will you stand in a queue with a pre prepared plated lunch, waiting to use the microwave? Will Schloer profits go down if they don't give the choice of red or white and pretend it's wine!

The long service monetary awards drastically slashed, no presentation, just sent to your home with a badge for you to proudly wear. The retirement monetary package drastically slashed. The death in service payment is the only thing I can think of that drastic hasn't got his mitts on.........YET!!
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: lordadmiral on 14-07-19, 09:38AM
Same here. I did more OT to boost my annual bonus. Imagine me as a CA receiving over 1.4k one year. I bought laptop for my girlfriend and still had plenty left.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: forrestgimp on 14-07-19, 10:34AM
I don't think bonus was apriciated by all. I don't know much about benefits as I have never had to claim them but a friend has said it seriously messes things up for her. I have always enjoyed my bonus but if it has caused difficulties for those that have to claim benefits I can see why they have changed it as more and more part time people now.

She would have had to have been on a massive whack of a bonus for it to mess up in work benefits.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: NightAndDay on 14-07-19, 11:13AM
I don't think bonus was apriciated by all. I don't know much about benefits as I have never had to claim them but a friend has said it seriously messes things up for her. I have always enjoyed my bonus but if it has caused difficulties for those that have to claim benefits I can see why they have changed it as more and more part time people now.

To some people the bonus was there yearly holiday from who I've spoken to. It was a way that Tesco could silently say to there colleagues thanks for all your hard work over the year, heres a % bonus, thankyou very much... Instead they've made another money saver for the share holders by getting shut of the bonus. It will save the company millions which again makes drasticdave look good for his share holders.

When people are questioning weather people worked harder for there bonus, if people were clever enough they would have realised that any overtime done would go towards there bonus. For example I worked 6 days a week for 8 months roughly and that made a massive chunk to my bonus. Now there is no bonus I ain't working harder to achieve nothing but the bare minimum. How can they even say they have gave us a 10.45% wage increase when we are on 10.29 p/h and it only goes up to 11.16 p/h, it's not even 10.45%, should be 1.03 increase p/h but its 87p increase, just a load of BS!!!

That's an 87p increase over 2 years and your loss of a bonus. I've covered this before in another thread but iirc your raise equates to a 3-4% increase overall.

The 1 thing that I'm surprised nobody has questioned yet is the pay increases being pretty much the same across all grades except for ca and customer delivery driver. If Shift Leaders/ Team Support get a 57p increase to their wage and cas gets a 58p increase, not only does that mean the gap between earnings in smaller, but the pay differentials will now start to compromise the value of work done by Shift Leaders and Team Support, also adding to this that shift leaders and team support have more to lose from the removal of the bonus than ca's.

When pay reviews were done before, percent increases were done as per job role, not as done here basing the massaged figure on the role that gets the biggest proportional increase.

When I say pay differentials I mean this, at the moment the difference in pay between shift leaders and ca's is £1.87 per hour, when wages are £8.42 per hour and £10.29 per hour, that would appear to an outsider to be a significant difference (in terms of wages paid, not work done to earn the difference), but would you say the same if cas were on £100 an hour and shift leaders were on £101.87 per hour? Add to this the new increase makes the difference smaller by 1p (though taking what I just said into account, it's actually a lot more than 1p).

Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Toscoboy on 14-07-19, 11:53AM
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Extremely good point, how can CAs get a bigger increase on a smaller wage with the 10.45% increase. Technically CAs should have 84p increase and SL should have a 1.03 increase but this has not happened. Would be very interesting to know if this could get put to the national forum and brought up and challenged......

The bonus obviously has more of an affect with full time CAs and shift leader/team support with the hours they put into the business. Might not matter to poor old Doris who sits on a till for 4 hours a week but to us full timers it's a massive set back.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: cityboy on 14-07-19, 12:59PM
I just feel deflated by the Dave Lewis era at Tesco. He has stripped us of our dignity as workers who seemed of value to our employers. 1990's Tesco had an unwritten agreement that if you worked hard, you could buy your house, look after family, and be low key prosperous under the Tesco banner. Can the young/new Tesco employees say the same thing? Capitalism is at its lowest ebb, the rich richer, the poor poorer, and I can't see the solution. Dave Lewis. why have you no shame?
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: tescopleb on 14-07-19, 03:23PM
When the company are blatantly referring to the bonus causing difficulties for those qualifying for benefits, is that then not admission of just how low the CA wage really is
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: tescopleb on 14-07-19, 03:36PM
This would imply that a large number of employees of a major blue chip company are having their wages subsidised by the state in lieu of a living wage which they can well afford to pay. They should be ashamed
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Hammer10 on 14-07-19, 04:12PM
Let’s hope when he leaves we get someone who knows what they are doing .
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: taliahad on 14-07-19, 04:41PM
I just feel deflated by the Dave Lewis era at Tesco. He has stripped us of our dignity as workers who seemed of value to our employers. 1990's Tesco had an unwritten agreement that if you worked hard, you could buy your house, look after family, and be low key prosperous under the Tesco banner. Can the young/new Tesco employees say the same thing? Capitalism is at its lowest ebb, the rich richer, the poor poorer, and I can't see the solution. Dave Lewis. why have you no shame?

To be fair, it's not just in Tesco that this is happening, it's all over the country.  We've got too many people chasing too few jobs and companies are taking advantage of this.  The trouble is, less and less people have the spending power to keep the show going, hence the rise of lidl and aldi, then tesco and co panic because their market share goes down.  They respond by lowering wages and cutting staff and the circle starts again. 

Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Nightworker23 on 14-07-19, 04:52PM
I just feel deflated by the Dave Lewis era at Tesco. He has stripped us of our dignity as workers who seemed of value to our employers. 1990's Tesco had an unwritten agreement that if you worked hard, you could buy your house, look after family, and be low key prosperous under the Tesco banner. Can the young/new Tesco employees say the same thing? Capitalism is at its lowest ebb, the rich richer, the poor poorer, and I can't see the solution. Dave Lewis. why have you no shame?

To be fair, it's not just in Tesco that this is happening, it's all over the country.  We've got too many people chasing too few jobs and companies are taking advantage of this.  The trouble is, less and less people have the spending power to keep the show going, hence the rise of lidl and aldi, then tesco and co panic because their market share goes down.  They respond by lowering wages and cutting staff and the circle starts again. 


Totally disagree. You should see the amount of £50,000+ cars in my local Aldi car park. It's not about spending power, it's about value, and quality for money. Aldi products are of equal if not better quality than Tesco, at perhaps 60-70% of the price.
Our store has lost many customers to a recently opened Aldi about 3miles away. Why travel when you can get everything you want at a fraction of the price, right on your doorstep?
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: londoner83 on 14-07-19, 05:00PM
Exactly. You go to Tesco and pay more to generate the billion pound profit whilst walking past 50 types of canned tomatoes or you go to the discounters and walk past just one and contribute to modest profits.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: taliahad on 14-07-19, 05:53PM
Totally disagree. You should see the amount of £50,000+ cars in my local Aldi car park. It's not about spending power, it's about value, and quality for money. Aldi products are of equal if not better quality than Tesco, at perhaps 60-70% of the price.
Our store has lost many customers to a recently opened Aldi about 3miles away. Why travel when you can get everything you want at a fraction of the price, right on your doorstep?

Okay, I didn't make my point very well, shouldn't have used the Lidl and Aldi analogy.  I'm trying to say that low wages affect spending power, if you haven't got it, you can't spend it and then money does not circulate round the economy.  If I'm paid a good rate of pay, I might spend some of that on, oh I don't know, going to the pub for lunch, which then keeps the waiter in a job, which means that he or she can go to tesco or lidl and buy their shopping.  Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

I know Lidl and Aldi are great, Tesco could learn a lot from their business model.  I shop there myself but I can't buy everything in there.  People like value and a bargain, no matter how much they earn.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: State Of Decay on 14-07-19, 10:54PM
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I know Lidl and Aldi are great, Tesco could learn a lot from their business model

That used to be their business model stack it high and sell it cheap

They moved out Aldi and Lidl moved in

but going back on topic the annual bonus scheme has gone and replaced by this 10.45% pay rise my only concern is what else is going to get hit.As we know they are not doing it for the love of their staff .They are either getting something out of it or we are going to take further hits down the line to make up the difference.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: NightAndDay on 14-07-19, 11:03PM
The only thing left is Sunday and bank holiday premiums, they can't make the pension any worse, we've never had paid breaks, bonus is now gone, though i'm sure they'll axe Sunday premium they will have to maintain some semblance of bank holiday premium, all the competitors do.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: lordadmiral on 15-07-19, 02:14AM
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I know Lidl and Aldi are great, Tesco could learn a lot from their business model

That used to be their business model stack it high and sell it cheap

They moved out Aldi and Lidl moved in

but going back on topic the annual bonus scheme has gone and replaced by this 10.45% pay rise my only concern is what else is going to get hit.As we know they are not doing it for the love of their staff .They are either getting something out of it or we are going to take further hits down the line to make up the difference.

Tesco will be changing  even more than we've seen in last few years.  On top of that it might pull out from Poland as tesco is down from  450 stores to about 350 and one DC closed as well.  On top of that they are facing strike there as union put their hands on some papers showing that in British stores there is up to 11 times more workers ( per store) than in Poland.  They want more money as well as competition is now giving much much more.

So I thing DL might want to raise more cash for any huge shake up.

Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: lordadmiral on 15-07-19, 02:23AM
https://m.dw.com/en/british-retailer-tesco-scales-down-in-poland/a-48984312-0 (https://m.dw.com/en/british-retailer-tesco-scales-down-in-poland/a-48984312-0)
I recommend it to read it.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: Happy Days on 15-07-19, 08:58AM
The article was an excellent read. Very well worth it. You can see the direction that the company is going.
Title: Re: Annual bonus scheme.
Post by: madness on 15-07-19, 10:43AM
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I know Lidl and Aldi are great, Tesco could learn a lot from their business model

That used to be their business model stack it high and sell it cheap

They moved out Aldi and Lidl moved in

but going back on topic the annual bonus scheme has gone and replaced by this 10.45% pay rise my only concern is what else is going to get hit.As we know they are not doing it for the love of their staff .They are either getting something out of it or we are going to take further hits down the line to make up the difference.

Tesco will be changing  even more than we've seen in last few years.  On top of that it might pull out from Poland as tesco is down from  450 stores to about 350 and one DC closed as well.  On top of that they are facing strike there as union put their hands on some papers showing that in British stores there is up to 11 times more workers ( per store) than in Poland.  They want more money as well as competition is now giving much much more.

So I thing DL might want to raise more cash for any huge shake up.

Plenty of spare staff dancing like idiots at wembley