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Title: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: Hotdog1 on 09-03-19, 11:41AM
Hi, I've worked for Tesco  around 6 months, just seen my manager regarding the 2 days holiday in lieu of the 2 Bank holidays I worked .. to be told ... No chance !! he then said I have already had 90% of my holiday entitlement ! is that right- how do I find out what my entitlement is?  I know it is prorated as I joined part way through year - but wage slip tells me I'm owed 2 days BH,  I know they can be wrong and we are always told to wait and see what next months payslip shows- but it will be too late then. Any Advice please?
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: DJL on 09-03-19, 11:51AM
If you have already had 90% then your still due the 10%!

Ask for the holiday report from wages. This will show your used v entitlement for both holidays and bank holidays.

Thd only way you would not get the time back is if they were used to pay for other days in which you have taken off. Can you recall this happening or being told it was. Ud also see the payments on your pay slip
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: hkd on 09-03-19, 12:22PM
I dont know if anyone can help, i have cancelled my holidays on 3 occasions this year because the department is under staffed and didnt mind helping out. So know im owed 15 days holiday and as there has been no overtime so  i have been working for days back . They know owe me 32 days counting holiday and time back and was told i can take it in next years entitlement . I was just wondering if my manager left could tesco deny owing me the time backs and say it was my fault for not taking holidays in the last years entitlement?
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: Hotdog1 on 09-03-19, 12:23PM
If you have already had 90% then your still due the 10%!

Ask for the holiday report from wages. This will show your used v entitlement for both holidays and bank holidays.

Thd only way you would not get the time back is if they were used to pay for other days in which you have taken off. Can you recall this happening or being told it was. Ud also see the payments on your pay slip


Hi, no I havent had them as any other days off, ive just booked and taken what i was told i was allocated.  On my payslip it says 3 days BH - 1 taken   and 2 left           manager saying ive got no chance having them as there is no room to get them in b4 end of year . I hate being in this situation, as I can see its gonna cause friction, and i dont wanna be treated as a trouble maker - its bad enough not being paid correctly in all the 6 months ive been there !
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: Hammer10 on 09-03-19, 12:26PM
Well that manager should be sacked for not doing his job properly every April each manager should sit down with each member of staff and book all the following years holidays I have done all mine up to end of March 2021.
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: DJL on 09-03-19, 01:19PM
Your manager cannot, legally, tell you that due to time running out you are unable to have the days; which you are entitled too!  It the role of the manager to organise their schedules and holiday requirements for teams, so say what you have described is an utter joke!

I would put in writing a request for the 2 days you are entitled too. Time is running out and no days can be carried over.  I would then speak to your managers line manager, who should be able to help you out; if they have any common sense!

Good luck
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: DJL on 09-03-19, 01:23PM
I dont know if anyone can help, i have cancelled my holidays on 3 occasions this year because the department is under staffed and didnt mind helping out. So know im owed 15 days holiday and as there has been no overtime so  i have been working for days back . They know owe me 32 days counting holiday and time back and was told i can take it in next years entitlement . I was just wondering if my manager left could tesco deny owing me the time backs and say it was my fault for not taking holidays in the last years entitlement?

Can you explain few things more please!

Where do you get the 32 days from?
Why/what are you ‘working back’

I’d he getting that whole situation in writing and making sure you don’t do that again. Commendable for helping out, however you risk,as you say, losing it all
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: lackofinterest on 09-03-19, 01:30PM
If you have already had 90% then your still due the 10%!

Ask for the holiday report from wages. This will show your used v entitlement for both holidays and bank holidays.

Thd only way you would not get the time back is if they were used to pay for other days in which you have taken off. Can you recall this happening or being told it was. Ud also see the payments on your pay slip


Hi, no I havent had them as any other days off, ive just booked and taken what i was told i was allocated.  On my payslip it says 3 days BH - 1 taken   and 2 left           manager saying ive got no chance having them as there is no room to get them in b4 end of year . I hate being in this situation, as I can see its gonna cause friction, and i dont wanna be treated as a trouble maker - its bad enough not being paid correctly in all the 6 months ive been there !

go to your store manager and explain the situation. if you have holidays remaining the line manager cannot refuse them. it's tough s*** basically if he's short staffed
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: Hammer10 on 09-03-19, 01:47PM
Why would you drop any extra for a bunch of money grabbers if they can’t pay you do not do it does not matter how short staffed they are they do not have the right to make you do those hours .
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: hkd on 09-03-19, 05:15PM
Sorry I didn't explain properly , because there has been no overtime available I made an arrangement with my manager that if I work my day off then I get a day holiday extra. I done for 17 weeks so I'm owed 17 days plus my original holiday allocation of which I have 15 days left so 32 days in total.
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: DJL on 09-03-19, 06:33PM
Bloody hell! I hope you have been clocking in for these shift? Just so there is documented system evidence that you are due this time back!
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: alf on 09-03-19, 06:34PM
So if I'm understanding this correctly, you worked 17 days unpaid in exchange for 17 holidays in lieu.

Hope you had that agreement written down and signed...
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: minion on 09-03-19, 06:45PM
Just to clarify if you  carry hols over,  you will be coded as pa or tl 500 last year's hols. That means you will lose out on average earnings, as the only way to receive average earnings is with a holiday coding, which if you've worked a lot of ot will be a considerable amount of cash. My advice, unless you are on long term sick you should never carry hols over and if there's no money to pay you, simply don't work. It's win win for them and lose lose for you. If your manager tells you it's ok to carry hols over show them the holiday brief in policy for people where it clearly states that it's not.
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: lordadmiral on 09-03-19, 09:01PM
Hi, Ive worked for Tesco  around 6 months, just seen my manager regarding the 2 days holiday in lieu of the 2 Bank holidays I worked .. to be told ... No chance !! he then said I have already had 90% of my holiday entitlement ! is that right- how to i find out what my entitlement is?  I know it is prorated as I joined part way through year - but wage slip tells me I'm owed 2 days BH,  I know they can be wrong and we are always told to wait and see what next months payslip shows- but it will be too late then. Any Advice please?
Ask manager to move your BH to next year. Let them give you some days off in April and code it as TL.
Never wait to last minute with holiday booking no matter what.  Second think your manager do not do his job as he should pull you into office and tell you what you have left and he will allocate your hols in that cand that day.  Simples.
Wage office always pass info to manager about people with un-booked hols/BH so manager could sort it out.
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: lordadmiral on 09-03-19, 09:39PM
I dont know if anyone can help, i have cancelled my holidays on 3 occasions this year because the department is under staffed and didnt mind helping out. So know im owed 15 days holiday and as there has been no overtime so  i have been working for days back . They know owe me 32 days counting holiday and time back and was told i can take it in next years entitlement . I was just wondering if my manager left could tesco deny owing me the time backs and say it was my fault for not taking holidays in the last years entitlement?
1st- you're a mug.
2nd- its well known tesco tactic to get free workforce.
3rd- it's total f*** up at the moment. Never work for TL unless its for one/two days top.
Get union rep and request your manager to sit down with you and rep and allocate every single day your entitled to.  Do it asap.

Amount of TL you're owed is huge and will cause more problems than it solve.
Think. If your department is so f***ed now how bad its going to be if you will be constantly off in new year.  Will someone else work TL to cover your absence? Then what? They will be given months off following year? Its never ending circle.
If you decide to quit, who will pay you all TLs?

Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: helpme on 09-03-19, 11:12PM
Hi, Ive worked for Tesco  around 6 months, just seen my manager regarding the 2 days holiday in lieu of the 2 Bank holidays I worked .. to be told ... No chance !! he then said I have already had 90% of my holiday entitlement ! is that right- how to i find out what my entitlement is?  I know it is prorated as I joined part way through year - but wage slip tells me I'm owed 2 days BH,  I know they can be wrong and we are always told to wait and see what next months payslip shows- but it will be too late then. Any Advice please?
If you have two days to take then take them! You are legally entitled to them and your manager can't refuse them. If he does put in a grievance.
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: Victor on 09-03-19, 11:19PM
Well that manager should be sacked for not doing his job properly every April each manager should sit down with each member of staff and book all the following years holidays I have done all mine up to end of March 2021.

well this is BS. I'll take my holiday when the f*** I want, not when my manager tells me.

I'm not booking it years in advanced.
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: Tom Hardy on 10-03-19, 12:36PM
We had a member of staff who had an overtime for day in lieu arrangement.
Overtime would affect working tax credits as they only worked 30 hours & got the same or more than someone working 36.5.
Was offered 36.5 hours often but refused as would lose tax credits.

This went for ages until top brass in store put a stop to it as they were having so much time back in lieu.

As for holidays you should have meetings at the start of the holiday year with manager to book holidays & bank holidays. You don't have to book all holidays at this time but then later on in the year you should have another meeting to book the remaining.

If you get to the 10th March & have holidays left to book then it is the fault of you & the manager. Use them or lose them.
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: lucgeo on 10-03-19, 06:29PM
@hkd

Ask for the rest of March off for holiday entitlement and the rest be paid in cash....your manager suggesting to carry it over is bullshitting you! If you do manage to carry it over, you will lose out as minion has stated.

If your manager can't manage the dept holiday rota correctly, I wouldn't hold out much hope of getting the hols carried over either. I wonder if the SM knows about this?? It would be advisable to speak to your rep and ask for a meeting arranged with the dept manager, SM and have your rep attend also. To have not had your full holiday entitlement this year would suggest you haven't had the minimum legal requirement of time away from work, also it is illegal to withhold any payments due.
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: Redshoes on 11-03-19, 11:23AM
I have seen this happen once, a few years ago now. When new manager came into dept they had nightmare time but paid back all time owed. Took ages and was very painful.
Lesson 1, if you agree to move holiday make sure rebooked before you work the time agreed. This is for you.
Lesson 2, working so much TL is not the way to cover shifts. It's nice to have a day or two so you can take the time paid for if the boiler breaks or a child is ill. Beyond that is very hard to give back. The problem just gets bigger.   I understand you may be supporting your colleagues and has been done for the best of intentions but your manager was wrong yo ask this of you.
Holidays carried over into the next year I believe are coded as TL and should be rare and for a very good reason, not to cover shifts. The wages clerk in most stores keeps a book with all shifts with time owed on both parts. See if you can catch up with them and see if they have a record. Did you clock, if so there will be a record. Never agree to do TL and not clock. You should also take copies of rota. Once you have all this info go and speak to your manager and ask for a meeting to plan in time owed, if you don't get meeting then go higher. I suspect this is hidden by manager from those above so just say you need it sorted out and if not you will have to go higher and you need to stop working that extra day.
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: lucgeo on 11-03-19, 12:22PM
The wages clerk will have a list of all the hours you have worked unpaid...you would have come up on exceptions and your manager would have authorised it as TL..

If you didn't clock, then why?? I can't imagine anyone not clocking a shift unless expressly told not to do so by the manager....to not clock is misconduct, to be told not to clock is gross misconduct, as it contravenes Tesco and H&S policies.
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: Preacherpauly on 11-03-19, 02:48PM
My manager has messed up the holidays so bad that we are going to be short staffed through the whole of March because he has had to fit everyone in at last minute.  Plus with people going sick we are leaving delivery at the end of the shift.

To not let people take time off at the start of December is stupid because it really isn't that much busier than a normal Thurs or Friday night.  He also didn't let anyone go off at the start of Jan either.

I have no sympathy seeing them running around the store and stressed out because of the mess they created.
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: Redshoes on 12-03-19, 09:21AM
My manager keeps a week free in March each year. This is for those who have been off sick during holiday or maternity etc. It works well.

There is a structure to taking holdays. You should take 75% of your hols by the end of October with the remaining 25% before end of March. This should prevent overbooking after Christmas and fair to everyone as holidays spread out.

Booking is allowed in December but more limited than the rest of the year. Generally the first week is not an issue and beyond that tends to be more an issue of being able to cover shifts and needs to go through the store manager.

So far we have four people since Christmas come to work when they should have been on holiday. This is after holiday meetings and days being booked March last year in some cases. The result of this is that they either go home once realised or they have to rebook. holidays are our responsibility too. We need to book and we we need to not come to work when booked off. I'm talking about Checkouts so they don't have a rota like other Depts but our store does use flexi sheets so the hols are on these sheets too yet people still mess things up. A bad manager can make all of this so much worse but they are not the only ones to make mistakes.
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: lucgeo on 12-03-19, 02:57PM
Well, if someone turns up, when they should be on a booked holiday, then they should just be sent home, unless they can prove that they didn't book it off. If a manager lets them keep re- booking, then problems develop. How many times have we thought, that were off next week but could have done with being off in a few weeks instead, as something has come up?? And four on one department all done the same thing??

In 20+ years, I've only known of a couple of people turning up, both were just told to go home.
Title: Re: Holidays left-- was told no chance !!
Post by: Preacherpauly on 20-03-19, 08:42PM
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People who have come in for their shift and were supposed to be on holiday were told to stay because they've already clocked in and it can't be changed. Then the manager gets all hissy when they actually have to rebook it.