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Title: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: optout on 05-11-18, 10:04PM
In this article it is said that 4,700 employers are committed to paying the 'real living wage'.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/05/living-wage-poverty-employees-workers (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/05/living-wage-poverty-employees-workers)
Should tesco be setting an example?If so why isn't it?

And
Should usdaw be canvasing its members in tesco (surely one of it biggest member bases) 'directly' for their opinion?
especially given the info in the following;
https://www.usdaw.org.uk/About-Us/News/2018/Nov/Real-Living-Wage-upr*ting-welcomed-by-Usdaw-but-th (https://www.usdaw.org.uk/About-Us/News/2018/Nov/Real-Living-Wage-upr*ting-welcomed-by-Usdaw-but-th)
Is the usdaw leadership 'all talk''?
How long before we see our reps (with the support of the usdaw leadership), handing out questionnaires with just the one question (and without the usual middleman of the tesco corporate machine), 'Do you as an usdaw member feel that you are worth the 'real living wage'?'.



Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: Classy Bird on 05-11-18, 10:27PM
Tesco add in their discount and other benefits to try to tell staff that they are earning the equivalent to living wage
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: Hammer10 on 06-11-18, 02:34AM
Usdaw is Tesco in disguise .
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: lordadmiral on 06-11-18, 08:35AM
This is a big problem when company is telling you that all the benefits are part of your pay package.  Yes, some people might benefit out of it very well but unfortunately most of us won't.  I would be very happy if I could sacrifice my discount card for 52 pence pay increase.

Another stupid idea is "spend (more) to save" in form of Xmas vouchers etc.

But don't panic in 2020 we should be getting pay rise up to £8.69 p/h.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: his scots tie on 06-11-18, 10:20AM
What's up with £9.20 per hour next July to compete with Sainsbury's? And why do we have to wait till November for pay rise?That's another Lewis con, endorsed by usdaw costing staff money
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: tescopleb on 06-11-18, 10:59AM
And let's not forget the role of the Forum in all this - all done with the endorsement of our own
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: mac84 on 06-11-18, 12:22PM
I've been on a go slow, work to rule and f**k Tesco philosophy since the strung out and lousy pay 'increase', premium cuts, job losses etc. I don't give a toss about benefits I don't use. I want the money in my pocket. I now shop elsewhere too because of not wanting to put my pay back in their tills.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: LucyJ on 06-11-18, 03:48PM
Lidl has just announced £9.00 an hour minimum wage increase for Northern Ireland. Well done Lidl👏 We are so lagging behind😡
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: lucgeo on 06-11-18, 04:45PM
Forgive my ignorance but I have been unable to access any payslips since last April! What rate is a store GA on now??
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: his scots tie on 06-11-18, 04:51PM
£8.18 going up to £8.42 mid November.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: Vanilla on 06-11-18, 04:53PM
Agree with Mac84.
Tesco is not an employer in the truest sense, merely a relationship of convenience whilst workers find something better and whilst Tesco home in on a "colleague free" store.
But the numpties are forgetting that Government (a bigger cant than Tesco) will next look to tax the robots.
 8)
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: his scots tie on 06-11-18, 05:14PM
In 2016/17 Tosco reckon the discount was worth .38p per hour,meaning a full timer would have to spend £550 every four weeks on shopping to get discount of £55 ,equivalent of .38 p per hour.Really drastic ,really
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: barafear on 06-11-18, 05:59PM
I'm glad someone started a thread along these lines.

Here's my 2p worth:

Clearly, it is most unlikely that Tesco will sign up to be a Living Wage Foundation employer. In the short term, it would mean raising the hourly rate of GAs up to £9 by next April - and not only that but maintaining any increases put forward by the LWF - not conveniently forgetting to give us a pay rise or by delaying any pay rise out over several months/years and by changing other things (premiums) to actually pay for it.

What I wanted to say was obviously Tesco does legally need to pay the NLW - and as announced in the budget on Halloween, this will be going up to £8.21 in April. This means that our base pay will only be 21p higher than the absolute legal minimum (around 2.5%).

Obviously the NLW does only officially apply to over 25s, so Tesco could say they are "overpaying" under 25s....but that's not much cop if you're over 25!!

My other question is: Don't tesco still have a starter rate (first three months) - anyone know what that is now - and what it will be in November?
Surely that must be skating close to the NLW figures.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: madness on 06-11-18, 06:50PM
Throwing a grenade in here but who would be a manager stating on 21500 for £11 an hour vs £9 for a store assistant. £2 an hour extra.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: barafear on 06-11-18, 07:33PM
That has long been the argument about the minimum wage.
Of course it might be "fair" to increase everyone's wages - but companies claim they cannot afford this - basically - giving everyone a 5% pay increase would mean having to increase prices by 5%.
So companies do what they have to do legally and increase the lowest pay points - but as you say it closes the gap to higher paid staff - and the differential becomes smaller and smaller.
In a way, a little bit like the football scenario -

Player X is paid £100k a week - and all is well in the world at the club.
Then the club buy a new star player  - and pay him £150k per week.
Player X now wants a pay rise - to £150k or at the very least £125k.
And the rollercoaster effect goes on - all the other players demand an increase commensurate to the others.


Unfortunately, none of us are ever likely to see £150k in 10 years let alone a week!!

Anyway - forgive my ignorance, but do managers only get £21k a year? Surely not?
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: madness on 06-11-18, 07:56PM
Starting manager I believe that is the wage. You can laugh and poke fun as many on here will about "useless managers " and "not worth it" etc but fact is a good one can make or break a bad department.

Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: spike_pkh on 06-11-18, 08:41PM
I've been on a go slow, work to rule and f**k Tesco philosophy since the strung out and lousy pay 'increase', premium cuts, job losses etc. I don't give a toss about benefits I don't use. I want the money in my pocket. I now shop elsewhere too because of not wanting to put my pay back in their tills.

Maybe if Tesco wasn't full of lazy people like you then profits would be higher and they could pay more.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: fatboy on 06-11-18, 09:14PM
Spike  :thumbup:
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: just curious on 06-11-18, 11:02PM
I've been on a go slow, work to rule and f**k Tesco philosophy since the strung out and lousy pay 'increase', premium cuts, job losses etc. I don't give a toss about benefits I don't use. I want the money in my pocket. I now shop elsewhere too because of not wanting to put my pay back in their tills.

Maybe if Tesco wasn't full of lazy people like you then profits would be higher and they could pay more.

Yeah more to the Directors / managers / shareholders , not the workers who create the revenue that they take the cream off .  :-X :-X :question:
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: Jethro on 07-11-18, 09:01AM
I've been on a go slow, work to rule and f**k Tesco philosophy since the strung out and lousy pay 'increase', premium cuts, job losses etc. I don't give a toss about benefits I don't use. I want the money in my pocket. I now shop elsewhere too because of not wanting to put my pay back in their tills.

Maybe if Tesco wasn't full of lazy people like you then profits would be higher and they could pay more.

Yeah more to the Directors / managers / shareholders , not the workers who create the revenue that they take the cream off .  :-X :-X :question:

You keep telling yourself that .
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: lordadmiral on 07-11-18, 12:04PM
I've been on a go slow, work to rule and f**k Tesco philosophy since the strung out and lousy pay 'increase', premium cuts, job losses etc. I don't give a toss about benefits I don't use. I want the money in my pocket. I now shop elsewhere too because of not wanting to put my pay back in their tills.

Maybe if Tesco wasn't full of lazy people like you then profits would be higher and they could pay more.
Unfortunately it's not as simple as it sounds.  Last few years productivity in UK is going down.  In Tesco or other work places , I and my friends in other businesses observe a huge increase in workers who simply do not deliver. And its not necessarily "they do not want to" it is that they are simply that bad.

I see people working their asses off but they do not deliver.  In our store we had now maybe 20 people employed within last 16 months, who lasted from one shift to about 1 year.  No one was worth the money, young people who could not compete with 60+ yr team members.  Now we have agency , 12h shift and well ... "it takes two to fill one aisle".

Workers who still keep their standards, pace and  simply deliver the most are loosing out, badly.  We all know that the chain is as strong as the weakest link. So pay isn't going up as currently productivity is far to low.

Low pay will not attract workforce who will have the passion or the will to work.  Many people are getting annoyed now more and more as looking for new jobs we see some offers for cleaners as high as £10.5 p/h. That's more than we night workers get on average including Sunday premium.
Low unemployment has its own impact as well. Last week I heard some rumours (not fully confirmed ) that Avonmouth DC might receive £2 pound pay rise.  Massive jump.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: mac84 on 07-11-18, 01:17PM
spike_pkh "Maybe if Tesco wasn't full of lazy people like you then profits would be higher and they could pay more."


My comment does not imply I am lazy. You're being either wilfully ignorant or lacking comprehension of cause and effect.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: his scots tie on 07-11-18, 01:47PM
Don't worry usdaw are working on getting us on Mon £10 per hour,probably take them another 5 years to achieve it ,but in usdaw we trust
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: Nomad on 07-11-18, 02:52PM
Who is worth £9 a hour ?

Nobody is if honestly:

You can't (mentally) in 30 seconds give the correct change for 3 items costing £1.37 each purchased with £5.00

You do not know the difference between:
their & there
wont & won't
its & it's
managers & manager's or even managers'
when to use i or I

 8-)
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: Teddybonkers on 07-11-18, 04:17PM
So according to lordadmiral our pay would increase faster, if staff were more productive ;D. You don't imagine that the Company might just be tempted to bank the difference. Nowadays, our pay rises are driven by increases in the NLW, and nothing else - period.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: lackofinterest on 07-11-18, 04:28PM
 :thumbup: too true
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: Red75 on 07-11-18, 08:10PM
There has never been the will at Tesco to pay general assistants well. For years the minimum wage wasn't fit for purpose and Tesco could keep well ahead of it without too much strain. In the Terry Leary era 'the glory days' shop floor staff some years received significant bonuses, can't remember how much, I wasn't working for Tesco then, but 20 percent plus.
Mr Lewis's pay and bonuses are considerably higher than that of any other CEO of a major UK supermarket. There are thousands of people in the Tesco business who are paid extremely well and it's never been of any concern to them how little shop floor staff are paid. Tesco could pay shopfloor staff better but they have a very top heavy pay structure and they are unwilling to change this. European companies such as Also and Lidl operate with much flatter pay structures, the staff at the bottom are paid a much greater proportion of the wage expense and managers of all grades and executives are paid less. I'm sure that a flatter pay structure contributed towards a happier workforce. Our leadership are big time capitalists, all they care about is lining their pockets and their reputations. Dave Lewis will probably come out of this with a knighthood and we'll get a couple of percent more than minimum wage.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: madness on 07-11-18, 08:39PM
Lidl and Aldi shop floor staff are a good few higher levels of capability than the average tesco worker. Managers are paid more than tesco managers too. Area managers less though than their equivalent.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: Life after tossco part 2 on 07-11-18, 09:34PM
Administrator Comment Guess who has gone again.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: bushido on 07-11-18, 10:09PM
who's back not whose surely?

Global Moderator Comment I'm fairly sure Life after tossco part 2 would not know the difference.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: AlexM on 08-11-18, 10:27AM
The wage situation at Tesco is deplorable. I'm just so thankful I left over 2 years ago to work in an entry level office job. In those two years, I now earn more than a new Tesco manager. & I still just do the same office job as when I started. 

My new employer pays over the real living wage. & The work/life balance is perfect - no more working antisocial weekend & evening shifts. An incredible pension & bonuses.
Seriously, get yourselves out of tesco
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: tesc0H on 08-11-18, 05:23PM
Hi

Does anyone know the current new starter rate?
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: monty67 on 08-11-18, 10:14PM
The new starter rate is £7.895 per hour.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: 1 on 09-11-18, 01:18AM
I've been on a go slow, work to rule and f**k Tesco philosophy since the strung out and lousy pay 'increase', premium cuts, job losses etc. I don't give a toss about benefits I don't use. I want the money in my pocket. I now shop elsewhere too because of not wanting to put my pay back in their tills.

Morrisons is popular in our place.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: barafear on 09-11-18, 02:14PM
The new starter rate is £7.895 per hour.

Is this due to go up by 3% in November?

So £8.13?

Still need to go up to at least £8.21 by April to meet the new NLW
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: monty67 on 09-11-18, 09:07PM
No I dont think so.
It didn't go up with the last pay rise in July.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: OvaSees on 10-11-18, 12:43PM
Unfortunately it's not as simple as it sounds.  Last few years productivity in UK is going down.  In Tesco or other work places , I and my friends in other businesses observe a huge increase in workers who simply do not deliver. And its not necessarily "they do not want to" it is that they are simply that bad.

UK workers boosted their hourly productivity at their fastest rate in more than a year only last month (http://www.cityam.com/264720/uk-productivity-steams-ahead-hitting-21-month-high (http://www.cityam.com/264720/uk-productivity-steams-ahead-hitting-21-month-high)). UK productivity has suffered a steep fall in output because of the manufacturing sector, not retail. Productivity is measured by the amount of work produced per working hour - it's not rocket science, where human effort is supplanted by automation the degree of output from humans falls. More scan as you shop and self scan tills and less cashiers - that lowers human productivity. If Tesco's productivity is so low then stores would have PI targets of 100 or below but they invariably run above 105 (driving at least 5% less payroll costs than is needed) thus demanding more effort from less human hours - Tesco is overproductive.

I see people working their asses off but they do not deliver.  In our store we had now maybe 20 people employed within last 16 months, who lasted from one shift to about 1 year.  No one was worth the money, young people who could not compete with 60+ yr team members.  Now we have agency , 12h shift and well ... "it takes two to fill one aisle".

Workers who still keep their standards, pace and  simply deliver the most are loosing out, badly.  We all know that the chain is as strong as the weakest link. So pay isn't going up as currently productivity is far to low.

My experience is the same, but my observation is that this is due to increasingly inept management facing impossibly challenging productivity targets, it's a top-down issue not a bottom-up one. Also, younger workers have a different attitude to previous generations - recognising that few will gain the wealth of their parents and faced with poorer pensions, student debt and unaffordable housing they have chosen to value life experiences over long hours at work, a big mortgage and a debt-fuelled lifestyle - they can see from history that what was regarded as the 'corporate lifestyle' is unrewarding and loyalty to any company is not reciprocated.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: Employee on 14-11-18, 04:16PM
The new starter rate is £7.895 per hour.

Is this due to go up by 3% in November?

So £8.13?

Still need to go up to at least £8.21 by April to meet the new NLW

Starter Rate is going up December pay day to £8.18 for B/C grade, so will be 3p an hour short of new NLW.

Will be interesting to see whether they just up the new starter rate or rush through a new or temp deal.

Does mean we'll only be 21p higher than NLW at full rate now, which is not great to say the least.
Title: Re: The real living wage is now £9 per hour
Post by: madness on 14-11-18, 04:32PM
Unfortunately it's not as simple as it sounds.  Last few years productivity in UK is going down.  In Tesco or other work places , I and my friends in other businesses observe a huge increase in workers who simply do not deliver. And its not necessarily "they do not want to" it is that they are simply that bad.

UK workers boosted their hourly productivity at their fastest rate in more than a year only last month ([url]http://www.cityam.com/264720/uk-productivity-steams-ahead-hitting-21-month-high[/url] ([url]http://www.cityam.com/264720/uk-productivity-steams-ahead-hitting-21-month-high[/url])). UK productivity has suffered a steep fall in output because of the manufacturing sector, not retail. Productivity is measured by the amount of work produced per working hour - it's not rocket science, where human effort is supplanted by automation the degree of output from humans falls. More scan as you shop and self scan tills and less cashiers - that lowers human productivity. If Tesco's productivity is so low then stores would have PI targets of 100 or below but they invariably run above 105 (driving at least 5% less payroll costs than is needed) thus demanding more effort from less human hours - Tesco is overproductive.

I see people working their asses off but they do not deliver.  In our store we had now maybe 20 people employed within last 16 months, who lasted from one shift to about 1 year.  No one was worth the money, young people who could not compete with 60+ yr team members.  Now we have agency , 12h shift and well ... "it takes two to fill one aisle".

Workers who still keep their standards, pace and  simply deliver the most are loosing out, badly.  We all know that the chain is as strong as the weakest link. So pay isn't going up as currently productivity is far to low.

My experience is the same, but my observation is that this is due to increasingly inept management facing impossibly challenging productivity targets, it's a top-down issue not a bottom-up one. Also, younger workers have a different attitude to previous generations - recognising that few will gain the wealth of their parents and faced with poorer pensions, student debt and unaffordable housing they have chosen to value life experiences over long hours at work, a big mortgage and a debt-fuelled lifestyle - they can see from history that what was regarded as the 'corporate lifestyle' is unrewarding and loyalty to any company is not reciprocated.


There are two types of young worker in our store. The ones above about seeing how life has changed are the part time evening ones who are at uni or coage and this is just a few pennies to cover their education costs. The others young ones have no idea of the outside world and are earning a few pennies for friday night living paycheck to paycheck with very little ambition.