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Title: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 10-10-18, 11:13AM
What is your gut instinct ?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: captain on 10-10-18, 12:49PM
They can call it whatever they want for me as long as it does 2 things
1 make a loss making store profitable
2 keep staff in a job
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: mac84 on 10-10-18, 01:11PM
Having been in a Jack's, the prices and products are on a par with certain brands and price points in the Tesco stores and don't seem enough of a pull on their own to entice people in. From my perspective, the brand and it's marketing seem to be the key factor.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: cityboy on 11-10-18, 12:45AM
Jack's is an idea that goes back to the 80/90s, pile it high, sell it cheap, come and get it. The unprofitable .com idea has been paid for by minimizing instore staff to pay for pickers drivers. Tesco were too scared to be left behind, but the customers who still come instore are now secondary to online customers,(sell best dates to .dot.com, put out the old dates for instore customers), and it is ignoring the" bread and butter customers". Jack's goes back to a bit of customer equality and higher profit percentage, so why not?.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: tumshie on 11-10-18, 07:54AM
If overheads are less e.g. lower wages, poorer pension provision, less/no discount (I don't actually know if these things are true of Jack's, I'm just guessing) then Tesco stores could be closing while Jack's are opening, with no loss of employment as staff are kindly offered alternative opportunities in Jack's.

My gut is a bit cynical.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: penguin on 11-10-18, 09:05PM
I can see that happening over time, Tesco shops being replaced with Jacks branches with far fewer staff on less benefits, a bit of short term pain paying off staff and altering the shops but long term saving the company money, people need to realise just what is going on here, talk of a few stores here and there is not realistic given the investment that went into setting the Jacks chain up, more to all this than meets the eye in my opinion.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Classy Bird on 12-10-18, 12:25AM
A Jack's opened near me, none of the tesco staff stayed on. Most transferred to vacancies in the surrounding area, those that couldn't get hours they wanted took redundancy and moved on.

Apparently holiday's don't increase with service, capped at 4 weeks and bhols, no company sick pay just statutory,  and none of the useless colleague deals we get offered at T.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: RubyRed on 12-10-18, 09:30AM
The cheap supermarkets seem to appeal to more and more people so it’s potentially a good idea. The colleagues are paid a higher hourly rate but don’t get any of the other benefits, apart from pension (because they have too).  Most of us complain about discount being used to compare pay, so it should appeal.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: lackofinterest on 12-10-18, 06:08PM
I can see that happening over time, Tesco shops being replaced with Jacks branches with far fewer staff on less benefits, a bit of short term pain paying off staff and altering the shops but long term saving the company money, people need to realise just what is going on here, talk of a few stores here and there is not realistic given the investment that went into setting the Jacks chain up, more to all this than meets the eye in my opinion.
think you could very well be right here mate
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: 1 on 12-10-18, 11:30PM
They could Tupe transfer every T employee over to Jack's
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 13-10-18, 10:56AM
Depends how company is set-up, I believe there can be no TUPE if their employer remains Tesco.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: tumshie on 14-10-18, 12:58PM
If their employer remains Tesco, their wages, pensions etc should be maintained.
New employees, tho, will be on Jack's T+C's, whatever those are.

I think it's a long term cost-saving exercise.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: londoner83 on 14-10-18, 02:31PM
Could well be being used as a trial:-
1) can we improve staff turnover by paying higher hourly rate.
2) do people still expect to get staff discount.
3) what problems do they encounter on bank holidays etc.

By using a new concept they can iron out any issues before launching it into the new brand.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Duracell on 15-10-18, 11:01AM
If their employer remains Tesco, their wages, pensions etc should be maintained.
New employees, tho, will be on Jack's T+C's, whatever those are.

I think it's a long term cost-saving exercise.

Not strictly true, there is a policy on the “our” site that clearly outlines the process for moving to another area of the Business, it clearly states that when you transfer to another area of the business that is listed you move to the T&C,s of that area, it is just a matter of time and the policy updating to reflect the new venture being listed I suspect, but the policy principle would be the same, if J”s is officially listed as not T with companies house then the policy is likely to apply.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Digimon on 16-10-18, 11:55AM
UK's biggest retailer falls to bottom of FTSE 100 as latest data shows 'big four' supermarkets continuing to lose market share to discounters.. Shares in Tesco were down 3.4% at 208.6p, at the bottom of the FTSE 100, down 22 points, or 0.3%, at 7,007.

'The result it somewhat surprising given how much publicity Tesco generated with its Jack's discount concept launch in late-September. Countless column inches and air time drew attention to the broader Tesco group as well as Jack's and should have acted as free advertising to help get more people into its stores.'

https://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/news/tesco-drags-down-ftse-as-big-four-lose-market-share/a1165517
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: lordadmiral on 17-10-18, 01:43AM
Well Jack's will not win customers. Trying to transfer Tesco into Jack's will end up with disaster.

Another thing is that discount stores in Europe are not cheap/ low quality stores. They do fight for higher class customers. Here in UK its at best a fight for middle classes.  Lidl, aldi can take fight with big supermarkets easily.

Last time I check Lidl  pay( in Germany ) is €11.5 h which is over £10 h, compare it with €8.84h of national minimum hourly rate.  Poland 2800 -3800 pln ( huge range as they pay there more for years of service, or stackers get more than checkout staff etc), compare it with lowest pay of 2100 pln per month.  On top of that range of benefits, like discount  or Xmas vouchers.

Retail in UK is very behind so its no surprise Lidl and Aldi are taking over market share in UK.  They operate in so many countries so can use gained experience in Britain to lure customers.  I see Jack like another Poundland, Poundstretcher, Home Bargains etc....
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Totot on 17-10-18, 09:44AM
Opening Jack's won't benefit Tesco for sure, mostly if it is another side business of Tesco not core inside.
The more tesco open Jack's, the smaller the size of Tesco. There is no guarantee that J'ack will grab customer from Aldi or Lidl, mostly might be the existing Tesco customer. Strategically it never design to compete with those two apart from saying cheap cheap, they underestimated customer behaviour to much. Just like the promise of zero waste because they think staff will got no pride, will take everything for 1p and for free later, that is how wrong these bosses best estimation are.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: The Mrs on 25-10-18, 04:30AM
They have shut the stable gate after the horse has bolted. Should have done this back when Tesco first started losing customers to Aldi and Lidl.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: fargone on 25-10-18, 02:31PM
http://www.pmslweb.com/the-blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/6-funny-Aldi-supermarket-competition-fail.jpg (http://www.pmslweb.com/the-blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/6-funny-Aldi-supermarket-competition-fail.jpg)
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Classy Bird on 26-10-18, 08:17PM
I think if they want to make a proper go of Jack's, they are going to have to increase the speed in which they are opening them.

Might make more of an impact on the big discounters if there was more of them. Less than 10 (don't have the exact number) isn't going to effect them
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: 1 on 28-10-18, 05:33PM
Why not just stack things high and sell them cheaper as the Jack Cohen the founder did. This is the way it once was. We have more buying power than any of the big four so we should be able to get bigger discounts from suppliers for buying in bulk.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: lordadmiral on 28-10-18, 08:18PM
Its just a saying. Trying to get better deal from producer not always work.
Buying more doesnt mean tesco will sell it.
Guy who i worked with works for logistic company who deliver goods to all supermarkets including tesco. He said that the amount off goods they store is ridiculous. Sometimes they need to hire private warehouse to store goods that are out of code as they need space for new one.
If they cant shift goods on time how you want to handle more stock if you add tesco DC then store warehouse.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Duracell on 28-10-18, 09:00PM
Something that I was once told that I found hard to believe at the time, yet it could be quite plausible, the likes of Kellogg’s sell their products at a price regardless of the quantity you may purchase, their mentality being customers expect to see premium brands regardless whether they wish to purchase them or not. Some Brand buy and some don’t, those that don’t may use brand as price comparison for “store own” , I have done this not only for price but also for ingredients and the traffic light system.

Famous Brands do have some history of being able to dictate the price, customers expect to see “Kellogg’s” or “Coke”, what would consumer reaction be if those brands ceased to be available at any given outlet?

Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: jonty on 01-11-18, 04:59PM
A superstore in Rawtenstall is the latest store being converted into Jack's with the PFS & pharmacy remaining as Tesco

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.rossendalefreepress.co.uk/news/rawtenstall-tesco-close-new-year-15358942.amp (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.rossendalefreepress.co.uk/news/rawtenstall-tesco-close-new-year-15358942.amp)
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Classy Bird on 01-11-18, 07:29PM
I've just read that article too, a lot of staff there.

Guess that means under performing superstores, or ones with the discounters nearby are all at risk of rebranding.

DL really is ruthless in his pursuit of turning the business around
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 01-11-18, 07:32PM
From article,
Quote
The stores are expected to stock principally Tesco’s own brand produce - from basics to finest, with Tesco’s eight farm brands expected to feature strongly.

Can it be called 'farm brand' if the farm does not exist ?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: grim up north on 01-11-18, 07:39PM
From article,
Quote
The stores are expected to stock principally Tesco’s own brand produce - from basics to finest, with Tesco’s eight farm brands expected to feature strongly.

Can it be called 'farm brand' if the farm does not exist ?

'Captain Birdseye', 'Uncle Bens'... The list is endless
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: 1 on 01-11-18, 07:56PM
But soon if not already every big four supermarket will have 1 2 3 4.... discounters surrounding them. Then the competition from Amazon. Converting Tesco to Jacks is one way to write off alot of the debt Tesco has. Then the announced profits will be more. This money should be used for expansion, staff, new IT, vans etc not announced as profit though. They are not going to spend all the time/money to open a dozen Jacks. Just sit back and watch it unfold.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Classy Bird on 01-11-18, 07:59PM
Didn't the first lot of Jack's open with their own branded products and nothing with Tesco or any of the fictious farm brands on?

I thought it was all labelled Jack's with a couple hundred known brands thrown in.

Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Pgl on 02-11-18, 02:07PM
Sorry for hijacking this thread but can anyone give me advice. I have a few issues with sick pay and how my maternity was dealt with. I’m not in the union & my people manager and store manager have never done anything to help. Basically who do I go to next to escalate it further? Ideally an email address so I could type it out.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: 1 on 02-11-18, 02:45PM
If you have a wage query escalate it with the wages department don't bother with the SM and PM. If you have another issue which your SM/PM cannot deal with try the store director you should be able get his/her details from the contact centre if you don't know them personally. Raise it higher until someone supports you. Hopefully that person will also do something about all the incompetence that has went before. If you can't be bothered just go to Dave Lewis CEO.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Twinkeltoes1 on 02-11-18, 08:24PM
If I were you go straight to Lewis, I had a problem with my wages, a large problem and anyway I sent an e mail to Terry Leahy and the OD and SD and also a copy to the Store Manager, by christ did it get sorted, mind the store manager had me in the office and tried reading the riot act, informed him if it had been dealt with correctly and quickly there would have been no need to escalate, never spoke to me for about 3 months lol, suited me
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Silver on 07-11-18, 07:03PM
Jacks is just stupid, they want to improve the Tesco brand by offering customers "discount" products, this is achieved by removing the Tesco brand all together. Makes perfect sense, just another money pit for them to fill up with wasted cash instead of supporting colleague pay.