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Title: Jack's
Post by: londoner83 on 13-09-18, 10:09PM
What's everyone's thoughts on the new discount chain.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: grim up north on 13-09-18, 10:30PM
Is this ‘project MI’?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: forrestgimp on 14-09-18, 05:54AM
I dont really have any, Its another store thats all.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Duracell on 14-09-18, 09:36AM
Considering the great lengths the Company have gone to try and level benefits, we are going to see a different pay and benefits package for staff employed to “Jacks” which has been openly publisised.

It will be interesting to see if Leigh Day have an interest in this blatant disparity. Personally I don’t think they will be in the slightest bit interested in “Jacks”, but the similar work type, industry and the same overall employer and decision making senior team.
So the question in terms of work of equal value..if “jacks” is being established to take on one of the Parent company’s biggest threats and challenges, Aldi and Lidl and the discount market, are Staff employed to “Jacks” of equal or greater value?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: specialgravy on 14-09-18, 09:48AM
pretty pointless tbh,everyone knows its t**co. they dont have the advantage of location that the discounters do (being able to site stores close to large superstores) and if the converted metros happen to be close, they are competing with themselves. it will be a drain on finances as they will likely be running at a loss while they establish themselves (homeplus ran at a loss for its entire lifespan) any disparity on pay and conditions will hit an already demoralised workforce. pretty standard money wasting exercise for this lot...
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: OvaSees on 14-09-18, 10:55AM

'Jacks' in my opinion is an absolute joke of a non-concept. In my humble opinion it epitomises a knee jerk reaction that has pervaded the Tesco boardroom while they punch each other in search of embryonic longevity.
Truth. The biggest problem with this whole venture is that it's still Tesco, rather akin to the fake farms - Tesco still pretends that Rosedene Farm is some sort of local producer. Give it time, probably when it is thought to have done its job of reversing market share going to discounters, and it will morph back into normal Tesco gradually through introduction of own label and eventually the name. Nobody outside Tesco who shops at a discounter doesn't even know who the heck 'Jack' is and neither do they care, nor would I guess does anyone inside Tesco with less than 5 or 10 years' service. It's a short sacrifice to win customers back.

If Tesco wanted to seriously compete with the discounters it could do so as, you know, Tesco - the name that was built on the principle of being the consumers champion. It would just need to listen to customers, lower its prices, get rid of all the gimmicky nonsense such as self serve tills (which you don't find at discounters) and improve service instead of farting around with grandoise costly schemes, a bit like it always did before its corporate arrogance took over around 20 years ago, and even more like it did when the real Jack ran the business. The concept of the scheme itself is proof that after nearly a decade Tesco finally recognises that the discounters are credible competitors eating its market share and that it needs to respond, and also that nothing it is doing is working. But this is not innovation it's emulation - it's a case of 'if you can't beat them join them' and thus an admission that we've been ripping customers off for years.

To compete with discounters does not need another brand, another name, another shop on the street. It needs lower prices. But this is today's Tesco - when simplicity is all that's required you can bet for sure that the most overly complex, costly solution will be found. If Jack were still alive, he'd walk into Aldi or Lidl and think they were his legacy as they more closely resemble the principles he built the company on whilst wondering what the hell Tesco is doing. Tesco and its leaders have lost all retail acumen and obsess too much over complexities for this to succeed in the long to medium term.

I'd hate to be in one of those Jacks stores - the expectation and pressure for them to deliver will be unmanageable and it will be those poor store teams who take the blame when it doesn't live up. This will backfire - if Jacks is seen as a 'discounter' then that means Tesco will be thus be seen as 'the expensive alternative side to the brand'. You can market, spin and dress this up however you wish but its still Tesco and that means the same blood flows through it, the same profit-centric blood that sees customers as an inconvenient cog in the wheel of taking money. Customers are fatigued with all that fakery which is another factor in the decision to shop elsewhere.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Totot on 14-09-18, 12:33PM
It wont work imo. It is like putting a soldier in a war......far in the back, no matter how strong the soldier is.
If it is working, it will be like eliminate enemy who stay with you in the same building....with a bomb.

But lets get back into technicality, retail management, management knowldege of retail and the art of retail business.
Since late 90's, so much style had been emerged from anywhere in the world. The american standard retail management start vanishing in some places. The trick of discount and promo, the principal of putting the shelf full will increase the selling, and any psychological trick in the 80's and 90's not really working anymore, it never anyway, it was just ppl who like to play with statistic while ignoring other detail with hope getting higher position thats happened.

For example, like last summer, how tesco now still try to push the selling, while they sd know that the size of the market wont be bigger than the money of customer willing to spend, mostly after spending more in certain time window.
In the end, any company need to rethink to the basic of retail, are they siding with customer or supplier, or the mix in between and lean to where.

Basic retail will be asking about cost of production and proper profit margin from the supplier while make the business as efficient as possible. Making the margin of profit lower while boosting the number of sales.

What we got now is make a space to supplier while playing the rule of "golden product" for each one in certain time, to make sure customer buy a certain product in certain time and another product in other time. Meanwhile pushing "standard operational jargon" that been known for decades  to complete it and some rule and changes base on what the higher management feel "right" regardless financial analysis of each job if there were any.
Example, do we need to find, scan and put label on nearly expire date item so it will be 7pence cheaper that no customer will ever appreciated it while do reduction even lower within 2 hours that customer might start to be interested.

I dont know what jack's procedures are but judging from the mother company, i guess it wont be modern type of retail management, because if those big bosses know, they will apply it first in the main company. They start get some clue a bit but it is too slow.
Let see what Jack will chose as retail strategy platform, we can see more after we know this.

Cutting the cost regardless of the core  management of retail only show that they just want to make financial statement look good for short time, with never care that the retail collapse from inside from its own basic principal. It is all about who take the big salary and bonus as much as possible and f*** **f  after the boat start sinking.

And it is not just in this company, other company suffer the same, the highest enjoy carrots, the lowest eat stick and ready to loose their job.
What we needed is a pay cap between lower and higher rank in company. Knowing some ppl who earn millions just to drag company to administration willl happen more. I dont mind if they earn million but if the make the company bust, they should have full responsibility financially of that, that mean their whole asset and closest family will be on it stake.
How about 50 times max pay gap between lower and highest for start or fully financial resposibility if it is over, would any mp support that.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Dooby27 on 14-09-18, 01:08PM
How have they treated the workers that were in the existing metro stores? What’s happened to them?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: patty1 on 14-09-18, 03:53PM
If what happened in our store is reflected in the other stores, the majority will have taken redundancy.   The new store will have a third of the staff and management. And when one of the biggest things people always said about it was the excellent customer service then there wont the that in the new one!  I certainly won't be shopping there and if the range is cut back as much as it will need to be for so few staff to run the store, I don't see how they will beat the sales we had. And they weren't massive.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: The-shelf-filler on 14-09-18, 04:33PM
It's to late for jack's as the other discount stores are established.

Will be interested to see the range they will offer,I know the cheap range from Tesco will be in the shops but what about cheaper items ?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: penguin on 14-09-18, 06:39PM
We should all be worried about this, how long before Tesco start to bring our benefits "in line" with what Jacks are offering, we could all end up losing out once again. Given the cost savings long term for Tesco one can see a lot of stores getting converted over the coming years will space in the larger ones not used for Jacks being sold or rented out to third parties.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: bugsbunny on 14-09-18, 07:13PM
Why are staff in Jacks getting paid £9 an hour? How is that fair we don't get that?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: OpShunned on 14-09-18, 07:23PM
It's to late for jack's as the other discount stores are established.

Will be interested to see the range they will offer,I know the cheap range from Tesco will be in the shops but what about cheaper items ?

Will it survive largely on the quality of its products?

Lidl and Aldi offer different products which may or may not attract customers like me?

Customer service is almost non-existent but the trade-off is low-priced quality products. I've shared such conversation with other customers. Some may disagree and want a level of customer service they will ultimately pay for with higher prices.

Would be interesting to see what profit margin each store is forecast to achieve.

Volume will be at the expense of customer service? Only time will tell?

Hopefully, as others have pointed out, this isn't the emulation of discounters because Lidl /Aldi et.al are not discounters. They offer quality products at a price that shoppers can afford in an environment of austerity. They do not discount branded products. That is a fallacy?

Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: terrybigballs on 14-09-18, 07:33PM
Should imagine it will be full of booker branded value stock? They got to offer something different than Aldi/Lidl , home delivery maybe?
Learn how to do the job efficiently in these stores and transfer what methods they can get away with in the main Tesco stores.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Dooby27 on 14-09-18, 07:40PM
It’s a shocking way to treat people just to please the shareholders
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: OpShunned on 14-09-18, 07:53PM
It’s a shocking way to treat people just to please the shareholders

Unless they stop giving away Clubcard points/Deals/Promotions ala the so called discounters/Asda?

What if the whole shebang ended up as 'Jack's' and thus dispensing with TESCO?

It could achieve a levelling of wages across the board facilitated by reduced overheads?

Is the Booker tie-up working?

Is 'Jack's' an anachronism, borne out of desperation, hankering after a bygone age of embryonic growth?

Lidl/Aldi/Jack

4 letters in formation but bugger all in common  :D
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: londoner83 on 14-09-18, 07:59PM
The problem  Tesco has is it's customers have come to expect a certain level of service...a CSD to moan at or to return items; shopfloor staff to take you to a product and cashiers to chat to as they slowly scan.

By launching a new concept they can sc**p CSD and follow the Aldi model where little is taken back. They can sell a limited range off of pallets that will need minimal replenishment and thus can have far less staff. They can ignore Labour intensive departments like counters and scratch bakeries and they can task cashiers to hit thru put targets.

The question i wait to be answered is will customers accept discount service (which will be necessary for them to make a profit) from a "Tesco" brand
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: OpShunned on 14-09-18, 08:06PM
I have a feeling that your fears' may be realised.

Something has to give to achieve a 4%? margin or so. It has to be customer service?

This project will be all about efficiency, maximising the scale of movement of products.

Imitation is a form of flattery, or maybe resignation  :o
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: lackofinterest on 14-09-18, 08:13PM
We should all be worried about this, how long before Tesco start to bring our benefits "in line" with what Jacks are offering, we could all end up losing out once again. Given the cost savings long term for Tesco one can see a lot of stores getting converted over the coming years will space in the larger ones not used for Jacks being sold or rented out to third parties.
what benefits? i don't get any, unless you mean the free shares which i wouldn't miss if they got rid of them
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: notsofunny on 14-09-18, 08:26PM
It’s a shocking way to treat people just to please the shareholders

Its been the same all along ,

and sadly it will stay the same ,

After all the wages are paid for by the Owners not by the workers ,
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: grim up north on 14-09-18, 08:30PM
Products branded as 'Jack's' have appeared on MU's in our DC
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: OpShunned on 14-09-18, 08:54PM
makes sense .

Will the uniform differ? Has to I guess.

Prices will in all probability be very competitive although i speculate Drastic and his robber sidekick will already be crunching figures that project incrementally dire consequences for the mug-punter that deserts Aldi and lidl.

These guys are robber-barons, whether you are an employee/ shopper or both.

My advice, albeit biased and non-professional, is to avoid this charade. It will only serve to erode the standards of a Tesco workforce, already being invaded by a pervasive bunch of robber-barons in the guise of of a company that lauds its mission to make it better for all.

Dave Lewis and Alun Stewart are modern-day robber-barons. They care little for the dedicated people they employ, they care even less for the shoppers who visit their stores.

Jack Cohen, and let's face it no-one here remembers the guy would have kicked Drastic's robber barons out of TESCO rather than watch his company descend into desperate mergers and pathetic attempts to survive.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: terrybigballs on 14-09-18, 08:58PM
Costco style bulk buys
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: mexicopete on 14-09-18, 09:07PM
Tosco offer quality as well as branded..so l can’t see Jacks resembling it in any way. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Hammer10 on 15-09-18, 01:23AM
There is a need for some more competition out there as many companies going to thrall so if you ain't in it you won't win it .The stores are already there so no cost there just a case of jiggling around the pieces ,it may well work if so the other dis counters better watch out.On the other hand if it flops then how much has it cost only time will tell.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: lordadmiral on 15-09-18, 07:28AM
In my opinion Jackas will not succeed.  Opening new format would be useful in towns where Tesco do not have any store at all. But it is said there are plans to convert some old stores into new format.

So if people do not want to shop at tesco or buy cheap tesco products now, then why should they do it at their local Jackas store?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: mexicopete on 15-09-18, 08:31AM
Tosco offer quality as well as branded..so l can’t see Jacks resembling it in any way. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
Costco.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 15-09-18, 10:08AM
https://www.thedrum.com/news/2018/09/14/what-will-tesco-s-discounter-brand-jack-s-look (https://www.thedrum.com/news/2018/09/14/what-will-tesco-s-discounter-brand-jack-s-look)

A little light reading that gives room for thought.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Duracell on 15-09-18, 01:20PM
Interesting Read, particularly the part about, canabolising the current brand.
Surely any success at J’s will ultimately have a negative impact in part for T, it's brand and Any loyal customers it has.

Also the suggestion that J’s will try to avoid infringing on the T locations is actually a Nonsense and prove to be a damning mistake, if J’s has any intention stake a serious claim to the discounter market they will have to trade in the localities of those discounters eventually, which then also effects T and that brand.

To just open where there is little to no T presence would be foolish and yet another half hearted poor attempt. Yet to directly take on the discounter at their locality will have an unknown impact on its own senior brand as that to is in the same locality.

Devil and the Deep Blue sea.

Opshunned may well have the right idea, I think the Booker merger will play big part, as the Euro Shopper brand is now at their disposal.
Quite ironic really, if you are aware of how Booker acquired that brand in the first place, as Euroshopper is not the brain child of Booker. They themselves bought out another company just to acquire that brand because it was so successful.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Duracell on 15-09-18, 01:37PM
By having Access and joining with  Booker

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_Shopper (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_Shopper)

They also have Access to and are part of the 10 members of https://www.ams-sourcing.com (https://www.ams-sourcing.com)


Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Duracell on 15-09-18, 02:11PM
*maybe boring for some warning*

Speculative thinking.

So in the links above AMS sourcing have phased out the Euro Shopper Brand in other countries.
Given the E U situation, will a Brand Called Euro Shopper be damaged or even able to survive what ever EU trade deal is struck?

If AMS sourcing have to rebrand Euro Shopper in the uk, is it possible that now T has an indirect connection to AMS sourcing that brand maybe J’s ?

The “J’s brand” Then finds itself on every corner shop in the country without the operational costs of those shops being open.

Actual Brand Focus rather than Store format or Shopping experience.

Example if T ended up with 1p in every pound taken by a rebranded (Euro Shopper) logo with hardly any cost, how much would that be worth?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Duracell on 15-09-18, 02:53PM
Something else I have noticed which can’t have been overlooked by the decision makers. I see with increasing regularity local hospitality businesses, buying items in supermarkets in Wholesale quantities.

What if, J’s is a way of introducing wholesale buying to the retail customers, whilst at the same time, providing the wholesale cliental of Booker and the like with greater access to a discounted supply chain.

Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: captain on 16-09-18, 07:41AM
Agree Duracell
When I started at Tesco there was a bulk purchase policy in place, not any more.

Sandwich shops call in for their 100 tea cakes, (or muffins, barm cakes depending where you live), 4 boxes of lettuce and assorted salad goods.

Latest "tins" of celebration at 2 for £7 are flying out where our local businesses seem to be having a competition as to how many they can fit in a trolley at one time.

Going back to the original thread, I think ALL businesses have to change, evolve and continually re-invent otherwise they become the next BHS or Woolworths.

Bring it on I say much rather have some job than no job at all, you can still keep looking for other opportunities.

I have said it before Tesco are one of the best to work for in retail but there are loads more out there that pay better and have better conditions in non retail
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: fatboy on 16-09-18, 07:56AM
When is the 1st Jack's opening?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: StinkyPoo on 16-09-18, 08:47AM
Wednesday in Cambridge i believe...
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Kipper11 on 16-09-18, 02:40PM
It's not in Cambridge.

It is in Chatteris in one of the mothballed stores that was not opened a few years ago.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: notsofunny on 16-09-18, 10:19PM
Something else I have noticed which can’t have been overlooked by the decision makers. I see with increasing regularity local hospitality businesses, buying items in supermarkets in Wholesale quantities.

What if, J’s is a way of introducing wholesale buying to the retail customers, whilst at the same time, providing the wholesale cliental of Booker and the like with greater access to a discounted supply chain.

Our local booker ,like a cosco ,but with no branded lines ,, OR do you think they will have large pack branded lines ?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Duracell on 17-09-18, 09:00AM
I was just speculating the possibility, if they are true to Jack Cohen’s ideology at J’s then you would see stock piled high being sold cheaply. Maybe some catering size stock piles.
I don’t think the Public are gullible enough to accept an exclusive brand known to be T’s but not in T stores without a substantial difference. I personally think there is more to J’s than different store format, I think there is a strong possibility that you may also see the Brand elsewhere IE on shelves that Booker supply.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 17-09-18, 10:43AM
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-6171457/Tesco-braves-legal-minefield-launch-discount-store-Jacks.html (https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-6171457/Tesco-braves-legal-minefield-launch-discount-store-Jacks.html)

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Tesco is poised to launch a string of discount retail stores called Jack's – but it will be operating for a whole month without watertight protection over its trademark.

More than 15 complaints have already been registered in both the UK and the EU against the name and, separately, the brand's red logo.

Will it remain as 'Jack's'  :-\
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Duracell on 17-09-18, 12:11PM
Indeed!!!

I find it more than coincidental that Bookers Euro food range is Also prodominently  Red.
See the link above.

More to this than Just J’s.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: OpShunned on 17-09-18, 12:30PM
He does what he wants so he might as well just call it Dave's  :D :D :D

http://www.theweek.co.uk/96499/tesco-planning-to-axe-dozens-of-city-centre-stores (http://www.theweek.co.uk/96499/tesco-planning-to-axe-dozens-of-city-centre-stores)
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: mexicopete on 17-09-18, 05:44PM
@OpShunned. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 19-09-18, 12:14PM
Tesco trademark misstep may actually be conscious commercial decision. (https://www.worldtrademarkreview.com/brand-management/crazy-or-canny-tesco-trademark-misstep-may-actually-be-conscious-commercial)

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First, reflecting the competitiveness of the industry, the retail giant took a leaf out of the book of tech companies and sought to first register its mark in Sri Lanka with a view to the claiming priority in the UK and EU while operating ‘under the radar’.

It's a small world.

Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: T.C.1 on 19-09-18, 12:55PM
It wil be intresting to see when they rebrand the metro stores into Jacks will they try and rebrand the workers contracts i.e. be TUPED or some other way so not buying there old contracts out?? With this company you ever know!!
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: patty1 on 19-09-18, 01:00PM
Doubt tupee will  be involved.  We were offered redundancy, chance to apply to other Tesco stores, or if we applied to the new format we would retain length of service and that's it.  New t and c's and any redundancy would be lost for good.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: hesketh on 19-09-18, 05:22PM
They could call it

JACK C'S  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: forrestgimp on 19-09-18, 06:00PM
*maybe boring for some warning*

Speculative thinking.

So in the links above AMS sourcing have phased out the Euro Shopper Brand in other countries.
Given the E U situation, will a Brand Called Euro Shopper be damaged or even able to survive what ever EU trade deal is struck?

If AMS sourcing have to rebrand Euro Shopper in the uk, is it possible that now T has an indirect connection to AMS sourcing that brand maybe J’s ?

The “J’s brand” Then finds itself on every corner shop in the country without the operational costs of those shops being open.

Actual Brand Focus rather than Store format or Shopping experience.

Example if T ended up with 1p in every pound taken by a rebranded (Euro Shopper) logo with hardly any cost, how much would that be worth?


To do that Tesco would need to be manufacturers not just retailers, as it stands manufacturers make products and stick whatever label is needed on it. So what possible monetary benefit would a different retailer get from buying Jacks cheap stuff as opposed to tesco sainsburys or any other supermarkets own brand. Also where does the money for Tesco come from they are not producing anything to sell to the other supermarkets.

If you owned a small shop why would you go to the cash and carry and buy other supermarkets own branded products? If you were a chain that dealt with manufacturers direct why would you pay to have a competitors branded product for your own shelves? I also know from experience that Tesco and all the other major supermarkets are very precious about the recipes for their own brand products and would not take kindly to a third party manufacturer producing products for a competitor regardless of size using their trademarked recipes...

So we get back to Tesco now going into manufacturing to produce all of these wonderful Jacks branded products just to sell to other supermarkets, Not going to happen is it.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:20PM
Reading the comments on this thread had been hilarious, frustrating and downright embarrassing.

It is clear from the majority of the comments that most of you have no idea how the. New format will work, what the rollout plan is, why it is needed rather than being done in a Tesco store, and why we’re doing it.

How about, for once *just for once* you look at the project with an open mind and optimism?

The facts are:
💡80% of the products are British
💡We will open 10/15 stores this year
💡5 of these will be from existing Metro stores - the colleagues in these stores are already aware of the changes and have been spoken to/offered options
💡The remainder of stores will therefore be NEW. This means the company is trading well and is in a strong financial position. This is good for the Share price, Your Pension and your longevity working for a profitable business
💡We are taking on the German discounters at their own game, levelling the playing field in terms of operation, but with an added buying power of Tesco, Booker and Carrefour, and the world class distribution networks of Tesco and Booker.
💡imagine being in Sainsbury’s or Asda this morning, limited to big stores, facing the prospect of dozens and dozens of store closures, integration of 2 replenishment systems, distribution networks, working agreements and supplier negotiations, losing Market Share to the discounters and now a new challenge to face from Jack’s

We should be getting behind the business on this, recognising that it benefits everyone for it to be successful and be proud that Tesco is back doing what it is best at - being disruptive in the market and fighting for Market Share.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: OpShunned on 19-09-18, 07:30PM
Good luck NewFormats in your new role at Dave's.

It's Dave's Brave New World aided by his fellow robber-baron Alan Stewart.

 :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Red75 on 19-09-18, 07:33PM
Are you senior management or on the board Manyformats?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Red75 on 19-09-18, 07:50PM
Honestly who cares if it's a success or not! I'll still be over worked and under paid.
Tesco is a byword for corporate greed.
Not a brown noser or anyone's relative so I'll never get anywhere here regardless of how hard I work.
Tesco are a nasty corporation making workers lives increasingly miserable in their cost cutting pursuit of profits. They are amongst the dregs of Britain's employers.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 07:59PM
I’m neither senior management nor board.

I’ve been at Tesco for 12 years, I’ve worked in Express, Metro and Extras, I’ve survived several restructuring periods and I’ve seen many friends and colleagues leave or be made to leave. I’m not bitter, and I enjoy my job. If I didn’t enjoy it, I’d be off working for someone else.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: notsofunny on 19-09-18, 08:00PM
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-6171457/Tesco-braves-legal-minefield-launch-discount-store-Jacks.html (https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-6171457/Tesco-braves-legal-minefield-launch-discount-store-Jacks.html)

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Tesco is poised to launch a string of discount retail stores called Jack's – but it will be operating for a whole month without watertight protection over its trademark.

More than 15 complaints have already been registered in both the UK and the EU against the name and, separately, the brand's red logo.

Will it remain as 'Jack's'  :-\

But I cant find any that are trading as a supermarket , Can we register a Human name on its own ? 
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: notsofunny on 19-09-18, 08:07PM
Honestly who cares if it's a success or not! I'll still be over worked and under paid.
Tesco is a byword for corporate greed.
Not a brown noser or anyone's relative so I'll never get anywhere here regardless of how hard I work.
Tesco are a nasty corporation making workers lives increasingly miserable in their cost cutting pursuit of profits. They are amongst the dregs of Britain's employers.
Yes why should you care if it works or not  :( after all it seems you dont worry about anyone losing jobs do you ? or the fact that they could end up making money that the likes of aldi and lidl just bank in what ever country they come from with out any need to pay tax on it ,
Last time I had a look every company  is a byword for corporate greed  8-) they are not being run to look after the workers they are made for the share holders ,  and you dont need to be a brown nose or a relation to someone to get on  , Just the ability to do the job which some just do not have :-X , hence the need to s**g off all those hard workers that have and did get on ,

Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 08:11PM
Honestly who cares if it's a success or not! I'll still be over worked and under paid.
Tesco is a byword for corporate greed.
Not a brown noser or anyone's relative so I'll never get anywhere here regardless of how hard I work.
Tesco are a nasty corporation making workers lives increasingly miserable in their cost cutting pursuit of profits. They are amongst the dregs of Britain's employers.

I care if it’s a success because I have Tesco Shares, a Tesco Pension and a vested interest in seeing Tesco PLC win the battle against the German stores, B&M, Wilko et al.
If you want anything different, maybe you should take your energy, passion and enthusiasm and get a job at Aldi.
Let me know how you get on. 👌
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: his scots tie on 19-09-18, 08:19PM
Honestly who cares if it's a success or not! I'll still be over worked and under paid.
Tesco is a byword for corporate greed.
Not a brown noser or anyone's relative so I'll never get anywhere here regardless of how hard I work.
Tesco are a nasty corporation making workers lives increasingly miserable in their cost cutting pursuit of profits. They are amongst the dregs of Britain's employers.
  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: OvaSees on 19-09-18, 08:20PM
💡80% of the products are British
Your point being? 100% of ALDI's fresh everyday meat and poultry in the UK is from British, Red Tractor approved farms. Not fake farms. And they're German.

💡We will open 10/15 stores this year
Both Aldi and Lidl have plans for 250 to 300 new stores in the UK in the medium term.

💡5 of these will be from existing Metro stores - the colleagues in these stores are already aware of the changes and have been spoken to/offered options
So we're not opening many more stores, at least a third of them are converting from existing ones, yet there are people dismissing the possibility of sales cannibilisation? Chatteris was a mothballed store, remember? The colleagues being 'spoken to' translates to 'leave or continue on reduced terms and conditions' - and you want us to look forward to that?

💡The remainder of stores will therefore be NEW. This means the company is trading well and is in a strong financial position. This is good for the Share price, Your Pension and your longevity working for a profitable business
Wasn't our decent penion scheme closed and replaced with an inferior one that transferred investment risk from the company and onto us as individuals, thus improving that financial position? The share price closed today at a whopping 0.7p up, less than 0.3%, on the back of this news. Wow.

💡We are taking on the German discounters at their own game, levelling the playing field in terms of operation, but with an added buying power of Tesco, Booker and Carrefour, and the world class distribution networks of Tesco and Booker.
No. We're. Not. How come that incredible buying power isn't delivering prices lower than the discounters? 'Nearly as cheap as' doesn't sound to me like a compelling proposition. That world class distribution network - would that be the same one that let shelves run empty back in March (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5460545/Why-supermarket-shelves-empty.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5460545/Why-supermarket-shelves-empty.html)) something that wasn't seen at Lidl and Aldi?

💡imagine being in Sainsbury’s or Asda this morning, limited to big stores, facing the prospect of dozens and dozens of store closures, integration of 2 replenishment systems, distribution networks, working agreements and supplier negotiations, losing Market Share to the discounters and now a new challenge to face from Jack’s
Limited to big stores... have you never seen a Sainsbury's Local? I would imagine I'd be quite encouraged by the news today that the enquiry into their proposed meger has progressed to the next stage, looking forward to a potential future where my new company market share would knock Tesco off top spot and what that could mean for my shareholding, whilst laughing at Tesco's attempt to compete on price when ASDA is already cheaper and the merger promises to deliver a 10% price saving for customers.

We should be getting behind the business on this, recognising that it benefits everyone for it to be successful and be proud that Tesco is back doing what it is best at - being disruptive in the market and fighting for Market Share.
Our current leadership has only presided over a continual market share decline, it's now more than 10% less than when Drastic took over (https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/en/grocery-market-share/great-britain/snapshot/09.09.18/ (https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/en/grocery-market-share/great-britain/snapshot/09.09.18/)) - there is no 'fight' in them. You're just latching on to another industry buzzword - Tesco is not disruptive it is disrupted having all but lost any real capacity to innovate - so it attempts to emulate. That's not leading, it's following. Amazon is disruptive.

Give it time, this is bound to earn the moniker 'Jack s**t'.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: notsofunny on 19-09-18, 08:21PM
Doubt tupee will  be involved.  We were offered redundancy, chance to apply to other Tesco stores, or if we applied to the new format we would retain length of service and that's it.  New t and c's and any redundancy would be lost for good.

If you retain length of service then if Jacks does not work out then you would still be able to get it , Thats my understanding , I would think that those that have stayed are the ones that have only been around a few years so will not get a large pay out ?

Did they say if you would be able to move across later if you changed your mind ?  and what about pay rate, night rates if any sunday , and discount cards ?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Sidewinder on 19-09-18, 08:34PM
Length of service, if protected, guarantees that any later redundancy will be at least based on statutory entitlement for the entire length of service. Statutory or Jack's contractual limits, but not any enhanced limit currently offered by Tesco
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 19-09-18, 08:47PM
💡80% of the products are British
Your point being? 100% of ALDI's fresh everyday meat and poultry in the UK is from British, Red Tractor approved farms. Not fake farms. And they're German.

💡We will open 10/15 stores this year
Both Aldi and Lidl have plans for 250 to 300 new stores in the UK in the medium term.

💡5 of these will be from existing Metro stores - the colleagues in these stores are already aware of the changes and have been spoken to/offered options
So we're not opening many more stores, at least a third of them are converting from existing ones, yet there are people dismissing the possibility of sales cannibilisation? Chatteris was a mothballed store, remember? The colleagues being 'spoken to' translates to 'leave or continue on reduced terms and conditions' - and you want us to look forward to that?

💡The remainder of stores will therefore be NEW. This means the company is trading well and is in a strong financial position. This is good for the Share price, Your Pension and your longevity working for a profitable business
Wasn't our decent penion scheme closed and replaced with an inferior one that transferred investment risk from the company and onto us as individuals, thus improving that financial position? The share price closed today at a whopping 0.7p up, less than 0.3%, on the back of this news. Wow.

💡We are taking on the German discounters at their own game, levelling the playing field in terms of operation, but with an added buying power of Tesco, Booker and Carrefour, and the world class distribution networks of Tesco and Booker.
No. We're. Not. How come that incredible buying power isn't delivering prices lower than the discounters? 'Nearly as cheap as' doesn't sound to me like a compelling proposition. That world class distribution network - would that be the same one that let shelves run empty back in March (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5460545/Why-supermarket-shelves-empty.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5460545/Why-supermarket-shelves-empty.html)) something that wasn't seen at Lidl and Aldi?

💡imagine being in Sainsbury’s or Asda this morning, limited to big stores, facing the prospect of dozens and dozens of store closures, integration of 2 replenishment systems, distribution networks, working agreements and supplier negotiations, losing Market Share to the discounters and now a new challenge to face from Jack’s
Limited to big stores... have you never seen a Sainsbury's Local? I would imagine I'd be quite encouraged by the news today that the enquiry into their proposed meger has progressed to the next stage, looking forward to a potential future where my new company market share would knock Tesco off top spot and what that could mean for my shareholding, whilst laughing at Tesco's attempt to compete on price when ASDA is already cheaper and the merger promises to deliver a 10% price saving for customers.

We should be getting behind the business on this, recognising that it benefits everyone for it to be successful and be proud that Tesco is back doing what it is best at - being disruptive in the market and fighting for Market Share.
Our current leadership has only presided over a continual market share decline, it's now more than 10% less than when Drastic took over (https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/en/grocery-market-share/great-britain/snapshot/09.09.18/ (https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/en/grocery-market-share/great-britain/snapshot/09.09.18/)) - there is no 'fight' in them. You're just latching on to another industry buzzword - Tesco is not disruptive it is disrupted having all but lost any real capacity to innovate - so it attempts to emulate. That's not leading, it's following. Amazon is disruptive.

Give it time, this is bound to earn the moniker 'Jack s**t'.

You think Amazon should be celebrated?? 😂😂
They operate outside of the parameters that Tesco are tied to, simply by their tax “arrangements”.

Yes - Tesco is disrupted, and their response is to be innovative and bite back.
Yes - our Market share has diluted, against the background of a massive space growth from the Germans. Strip out the space increases and Aldi and Lidl are no longer growing sales - they are starting to cannibalise their own base.
Jack’s will have the mobile app to scan as you shop and pay as you leave. Cashless, queueless, easy.

Honestly I really don’t understand why you cannot be positive about something we’re doing.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Sidewinder on 19-09-18, 08:50PM
Honestly who cares if it's a success or not! I'll still be over worked and under paid.
Tesco is a byword for corporate greed.
Not a brown noser or anyone's relative so I'll never get anywhere here regardless of how hard I work.
Tesco are a nasty corporation making workers lives increasingly miserable in their cost cutting pursuit of profits. They are amongst the dregs of Britain's employers.

Then p*ss or get off the pot! Work outside of retail as very few will ever get rich in this business nowadays

Do you even understand what pressures ALL retailers are up against? 'Companies need to make a profit' shock....that 'corporate greed' and pursuit of profit is the difference between going to the wall or surviving. How much turnover does any retailer need to generate to even earn a profit? To maintain shareholder interest? To be able to maintain equipment? To invest in the future in an increasingly diverse market? The profit is barely enough to cover minimum wage increases so any pressure on the business as a whole will always hit staff hardest as that is the single biggest cost. I am no apologist for some of the company's decisions, nor do I agree with a lot of the way the business is run, but let's not pretend that they are any worse than any other retailer, especially grocers - there are a fair few that are a lot worse   
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: notsofunny on 19-09-18, 08:57PM
Administrator Comment Post deleted as you had intermingled your words within the quote and thereby attributed your words to another member. Nomad.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Classy Bird on 19-09-18, 09:25PM
Not all employees at metro's have been informed they are rebranding.

I work in one of the tabloid named stores earmarked to be closed/rebranded, we only know what we've read in the papers.

According to the articles 30 metro's will be closing for good, I've spoken to a couple of people that were affected by closures of stores already. Their options were redundancy, move to another store (on less hours/worse shift patterns etc) or re apply to work at J's
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 19-09-18, 09:43PM
It's never good coming to the game late.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Red75 on 19-09-18, 10:18PM
Working tins and pasta in a superstore.is not easy. Lots of employees are disgruntled. Many  Sunday workers are earning less now than they were in June. I will still be earning less in November than I was in June. My lack of interest in the success of Jack's stems from the fact that I know very little benefit will filter down to shop floor workers should Tesco increase their profits. Senior management bonuses get more generous every year whilst our bonus scheme is the same as last year. I believe if all targets are exceeded Mr Lewis will receive a bonus worth 6x his salary. I am making efforts to get out of Tesco. I'm in the final year of my studies. I do think that management - senior grade and up are overpaid and this is part of the reason why GA's get so little. I have socialist principles and I won't change those. I just don't find Tesco a good company. Even as a customer I've experienced some pretty awful customer service from them. Just don't feel invested in the success of this company. I am good at my job though and with the kind of staff turnover we have these days - mainly as a result of poor pay and short hour contracts I think people in my store are happy to have me around. I'm not a doormat or a sheep though and if I think something isn't right I will say something.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: notsofunny on 19-09-18, 11:20PM
Post deleted as you had intermingled your words within the quote and thereby attributed your words to another member.  Nomad.

another post deleted  8-)

 can i have a copy so i dont need to do it again and can just edit it myself , would be easy just to add my tag name to the area if thats what is needed




Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: patty1 on 19-09-18, 11:55PM
Doubt tupee will  be involved.  We were offered redundancy, chance to apply to other Tesco stores, or if we applied to the new format we would retain length of service and that's it.  New t and c's and any redundancy would be lost for good.

If you retain length of service then if Jacks does not work out then you would still be able to get it , Thats my understanding , I would think that those that have stayed are the ones that have only been around a few years so will not get a large pay out ?

Did they say if you would be able to move across later if you changed your mind ?  and what about pay rate, night rates if any sunday , and discount cards ?

All we were told was what I said previously.  Length of service would remain but redundancy would go.  To all of us it meant we had one chance of that money.  Hence so many taking it.  Most were tupeed over from somerfield so if it had been put like that we might of thought again but it was put to us as a last chance deal.  Which is probably what they wanted
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: notsofunny on 20-09-18, 12:03AM
I don't blame any of you that decided to take the money if it worked out well for you,

Seems they have once again failed to give Everyone effected information they should have

Hope all works out for you ,
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Red75 on 20-09-18, 01:05AM
Of course I understand that Tesco's profit margins are tight and that margins in retail in general are tight. I believe Tesco's operating profit margin was 2.2% year ending April 2018. I know that the aim is to get operating profit margin up to 3.5 to 4%. Isn't this alarming to anyone? Many of us are already having to work harder for pretty poor pay. Staffing levels are significantly lower on the department in which I work than they were a couple of years ago. Of course I worry that people may lose their jobs but I would question 'how many of these jobs are good jobs that pay a wage that is sufficient to live on and guarantees people enough hours to meet their obligations and have some standard of living. I resent the implication that I am not 'good enough' to get on. I have has multiple blue reviews. I just have never pressed hard enough to get on. I do have some pride. Genuinely their is a lot of nepotism at the store in which I work. There are also busybody senior managers who are suckers for a personal interest story. Too much money goes to the top of the pyramid and not enough goes to the many. I'm aware of my insignificance, nothing that I do influences whether Tesco is successful or not - honestly don't care if Tesco is successful because it's pretty clear that what they give their shopfloor workers wil be pretty near as little as they can legally and ethically get away with. Honestly I can't get by on what they are paying me. I don't live an extravagant lifestyle, but prices of a lot of things are really going up - especially fuel. I do intend to leave, I'm in the final year of my studies.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Red75 on 20-09-18, 01:13AM
One thing I would point out is that I have never said that anyone should get out if they are not happy. People do not always have great choice in where they work. They don't have to agree with the actions of their employer. I think telling someone to get out is pretty much 'bullying' and pretty nasty. Shouldn't we be able to agree to disagree because you may not like me but I may very well not like you. Despite what you may think I am not an unpopular staff member. I have bigger fish to fry. I should be concentrating on my studies not this nonsense. I wish every budding capitalist on this website the best of luck because life is too short.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: notsofunny on 20-09-18, 03:35AM
💡80% of the products are British
Your point being? 100% of ALDI's fresh everyday meat and poultry in the UK is from British, Red Tractor approved farms. Not fake farms. And they're German.

💡We will open 10/15 stores this year
Both Aldi and Lidl have plans for 250 to 300 new stores in the UK in the medium term.

💡5 of these will be from existing Metro stores - the colleagues in these stores are already aware of the changes and have been spoken to/offered options
So we're not opening many more stores, at least a third of them are converting from existing ones, yet there are people dismissing the possibility of sales cannibilisation? Chatteris was a mothballed store, remember? The colleagues being 'spoken to' translates to 'leave or continue on reduced terms and conditions' - and you want us to look forward to that?

💡The remainder of stores will therefore be NEW. This means the company is trading well and is in a strong financial position. This is good for the Share price, Your Pension and your longevity working for a profitable business
Wasn't our decent penion scheme closed and replaced with an inferior one that transferred investment risk from the company and onto us as individuals, thus improving that financial position? The share price closed today at a whopping 0.7p up, less than 0.3%, on the back of this news. Wow.

💡We are taking on the German discounters at their own game, levelling the playing field in terms of operation, but with an added buying power of Tesco, Booker and Carrefour, and the world class distribution networks of Tesco and Booker.
No. We're. Not. How come that incredible buying power isn't delivering prices lower than the discounters? 'Nearly as cheap as' doesn't sound to me like a compelling proposition. That world class distribution network - would that be the same one that let shelves run empty back in March (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5460545/Why-supermarket-shelves-empty.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5460545/Why-supermarket-shelves-empty.html)) something that wasn't seen at Lidl and Aldi?

💡imagine being in Sainsbury’s or Asda this morning, limited to big stores, facing the prospect of dozens and dozens of store closures, integration of 2 replenishment systems, distribution networks, working agreements and supplier negotiations, losing Market Share to the discounters and now a new challenge to face from Jack’s
Limited to big stores... have you never seen a Sainsbury's Local? I would imagine I'd be quite encouraged by the news today that the enquiry into their proposed meger has progressed to the next stage, looking forward to a potential future where my new company market share would knock Tesco off top spot and what that could mean for my shareholding, whilst laughing at Tesco's attempt to compete on price when ASDA is already cheaper and the merger promises to deliver a 10% price saving for customers.

We should be getting behind the business on this, recognising that it benefits everyone for it to be successful and be proud that Tesco is back doing what it is best at - being disruptive in the market and fighting for Market Share.
Our current leadership has only presided over a continual market share decline, it's now more than 10% less than when Drastic took over (https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/en/grocery-market-share/great-britain/snapshot/09.09.18/ (https://www.kantarworldpanel.com/en/grocery-market-share/great-britain/snapshot/09.09.18/)) - there is no 'fight' in them. You're just latching on to another industry buzzword - Tesco is not disruptive it is disrupted having all but lost any real capacity to innovate - so it attempts to emulate. That's not leading, it's following. Amazon is disruptive.

Give it time, this is bound to earn the moniker 'Jack s**t'.

They( aldi) say that only the red meat and chicken is British all the other meat is not , and the Red trackter farm is not a farm is it?,,,,,,,,,,,,, and can you explain what it is ? Can you tell me if Tesco asda and so on are not part of the same trace it back to the farm system ? Also correct me , but Did they Jacks not say that 8 out of 10 items sold will be Made or produced in the UK ? how much does Aldi/lid produce in the uk ?

Aldi and lidl plan to open 250 new stores , well it means that they will think a bit more about it and Jacks will have opend 10 that will mean that more money stays in the UK rather than being sent back to Germany or does it not bother you that Untold Profits are going un taxed ?

By the way Did you have a look at the Sains…..share price drop today once the Merger talk was sent to the First stage of the inqury ? as to inovation Sains,is following what Tesco express did years ago in local stores and  they Sains are not doing a very good job at that, Then you will see that aldi/lid are doing what Tesco did 60 years ago and in the mean time Tesco moved on and grew larger than the mighty sains/Walmart..and o yes Marks , and since times have changed its Back to jacks ,


and again back to your share holding sorry  ,your new company do you truly think that they will pass on 10% to shoppers ?

I just wonder if Tesco will be Taking any of the stores that Asda/sains are forced to sell on ? or will they just close them and make redundancys ?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: notsofunny on 20-09-18, 03:46AM
Doubt tupee will  be involved.  We were offered redundancy, chance to apply to other Tesco stores, or if we applied to the new format we would retain length of service and that's it.  New t and c's and any redundancy would be lost for good.

If you retain length of service then if Jacks does not work out then you would still be able to get it , Thats my understanding , I would think that those that have stayed are the ones that have only been around a few years so will not get a large pay out ?

Did they say if you would be able to move across later if you changed your mind ?  and what about pay rate, night rates if any sunday , and discount cards ?

All we were told was what I said previously.  Length of service would remain but redundancy would go.  To all of us it meant we had one chance of that money.  Hence so many taking it.  Most were tupeed over from somerfield so if it had been put like that we might of thought again but it was put to us as a last chance deal.  Which is probably what they wanted

Is it true that you dont get a discount card and any bonus ,?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: OvaSees on 20-09-18, 09:42AM
Honestly I really don’t understand why you cannot be positive about something we’re doing.
Because America? Because Japan? Because France? Because Vin Plus? Because Homeplus? Because Turkey? Because South Korea? Because Euphorium? Because Giraffe? Because Harris & Hoole? People all over the company stood up and applauded those things too when they were launched.

It's never good coming to the game late.
Because this. Because our leadership is following not leading by emulating not innovating. They even had to poach an Aldi executive to do this for them.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nowanexmgr on 20-09-18, 12:14PM
Reading the comments on this thread had been hilarious, frustrating and downright embarrassing.

It is clear from the majority of the comments that most of you have no idea how the. New format will work, what the rollout plan is, why it is needed rather than being done in a Tesco store, and why we’re doing it.

How about, for once *just for once* you look at the project with an open mind and optimism?

The facts are:
💡80% of the products are British
💡We will open 10/15 stores this year
💡5 of these will be from existing Metro stores - the colleagues in these stores are already aware of the changes and have been spoken to/offered options
💡The remainder of stores will therefore be NEW. This means the company is trading well and is in a strong financial position. This is good for the Share price, Your Pension and your longevity working for a profitable business
💡We are taking on the German discounters at their own game, levelling the playing field in terms of operation, but with an added buying power of Tesco, Booker and Carrefour, and the world class distribution networks of Tesco and Booker.
💡imagine being in Sainsbury’s or Asda this morning, limited to big stores, facing the prospect of dozens and dozens of store closures, integration of 2 replenishment systems, distribution networks, working agreements and supplier negotiations, losing Market Share to the discounters and now a new challenge to face from Jack’s

We should be getting behind the business on this, recognising that it benefits everyone for it to be successful and be proud that Tesco is back doing what it is best at - being disruptive in the market and fighting for Market Share.

Spot on. Absolutely spot on.

You'll get hammered though mate. The malcontents wont stand for any positivity.

Teaco are well on the way back. That should be good for everybody.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: tescopleb on 20-09-18, 12:33PM
Is this before or after you saw the layout, seriously makes aldi and lidl look like waitrose. Seriously, going downmarket is not competing just looks desperate.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 20-09-18, 12:58PM
Honestly I really don’t understand why you cannot be positive about something we’re doing.
Because America? Because Japan? Because France? Because Vin Plus? Because Homeplus? Because Turkey? Because South Korea? Because Euphorium? Because Giraffe? Because Harris & Hoole? People all over the company stood up and applauded those things too when they were launched.

It's never good coming to the game late.
Because this. Because our leadership is following not leading by emulating not innovating. They even had to poach an Aldi executive to do this for them.

Because none of the above were under our current leadership.
If you are going to make an arguement, at the very least keep it relevant to the business you now work in.

What would you prefer to see? We just sit back and allow the discounters to prosper? What about post-Brexit? 80% UK sourced ranging is a smart move. The Shop smart app is a great bit of innovation.
What are you going to do if this is a success? Be disappointed???


Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 20-09-18, 01:04PM
One thing I would point out is that I have never said that anyone should get out if they are not happy. People do not always have great choice in where they work. They don't have to agree with the actions of their employer. I think telling someone to get out is pretty much 'bullying' and pretty nasty. Shouldn't we be able to agree to disagree because you may not like me but I may very well not like you. Despite what you may think I am not an unpopular staff member. I have bigger fish to fry. I should be concentrating on my studies not this nonsense. I wish every budding capitalist on this website the best of luck because life is too short.

If I go to the Cinema and I think the film is rubbish, I don’t sit through it, I leave. If I don’t like a particular food, I don’t eat it. If my job makes me unhappy, I look for another job.
That is not bullying. That is common sense. To suggest otherwise is just playing a victim and speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 20-09-18, 01:05PM
Is this before or after you saw the layout, seriously makes aldi and lidl look like waitrose. Seriously, going downmarket is not competing just looks desperate.

I’ve seen the layout. I like it. It’s simple and flows well.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: belfast driver on 20-09-18, 01:08PM
Does anyone know if Tesco are supplied the new Jacks stores through there own distribution network or are they using the booker part of the company?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Totot on 20-09-18, 02:39PM
Retail managing and strategy aside, will this Jack's financial statement gonna be in tesco financial statement or separated?
Will it be just final profit /loss and change of asset/liability?
Will it compare to whole asset for the roi or just gonna be general? Is it even different legal body or under tesco?

Do you think you gonna shop in these places
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jacks+tesco&client=opera&hs=DbM&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVi4qE2MndAhUDgRoKHSvNAu4Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1640&bih=804#imgrc=CpCdKalmxi358M: (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jacks+tesco&client=opera&hs=DbM&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVi4qE2MndAhUDgRoKHSvNAu4Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1640&bih=804#imgrc=CpCdKalmxi358M:)

Lets throw away logic and knowledge, lets just have optimism.
Btw, the one who have to get out to get another job is not the one who not happy with their job, but the one who make ppl not happy with their job. These ppl are the one who already got paid but never do their job properly.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Red75 on 20-09-18, 02:52PM
I'm not a victim. I have been pro active about leaving Tesco. Iv'e been studying for the past three years.
If I lived in a large town or city I probably would have left but there isn't a great deal of employment in the area in which I live. A lot us know that the world of low paid employment is a pretty harsh place these days - short hour contracts and low pay. I have a commitment of enough hours from Tesco to allow me a modest amount of security.
To be honest, I know most corporations are run along similar lines. A few at the top get paid fortunes whilst the majority of staff get paid as little as the company can get away with.
It seems that the company are playing a dangerous game at the moment with price rises, however small the rises. It is noticeable that the prices of many products have gone up by 5 to 10% in the past year. Isn't there the danger that customers might find us expensive? I certainly find Tesco expensive these days.
I'm not alone in thinking that the companies cost cutting is putting extra stress on a lot of people. Up until now cost cutting has been this leaderships chief solution to increasing profitability. We all know that there was a lot of slack in the way that stores were run up until Tesco started hitting hard times. It's arguable now that cuts on many departments have taken things too far the other way. The board haven't really increased revenues, take out the effect of inflation and they haven't increased revenues at all.
I am indifferent to Jacks success or lack of. It will have little effect on me or others in a similar position to me. I don't doubt that with Tesco's infrastructure there is the potential for it to be a success.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 20-09-18, 03:31PM
Retail managing and strategy aside, will this Jack's financial statement gonna be in tesco financial statement or separated?
Will it be just final profit /loss and change of asset/liability?
Will it compare to whole asset for the roi or just gonna be general? Is it even different legal body or under tesco?

Do you think you gonna shop in these places
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jacks+tesco&client=opera&hs=DbM&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVi4qE2MndAhUDgRoKHSvNAu4Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1640&bih=804#imgrc=CpCdKalmxi358M: (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jacks+tesco&client=opera&hs=DbM&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVi4qE2MndAhUDgRoKHSvNAu4Q_AUIDSgE&biw=1640&bih=804#imgrc=CpCdKalmxi358M:)

Lets throw away logic and knowledge, lets just have optimism.
Btw, the one who have to get out to get another job is not the one who not happy with their job, but the one who make ppl not happy with their job. These ppl are the one who already got paid but never do their job properly.

Not a lot of this makes sense.
Aldi and Lidl are privately owned so don’t need to publish their true performance.
How Tesco reports Jack’s performance has zero to do with how they actually perform.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 20-09-18, 03:32PM
I'm not a victim. I have been pro active about leaving Tesco. Iv'e been studying for the past three years.
If I lived in a large town or city I probably would have left but there isn't a great deal of employment in the area in which I live. A lot us know that the world of low paid employment is a pretty harsh place these days - short hour contracts and low pay. I have a commitment of enough hours from Tesco to allow me a modest amount of security.
To be honest, I know most corporations are run along similar lines. A few at the top get paid fortunes whilst the majority of staff get paid as little as the company can get away with.
It seems that the company are playing a dangerous game at the moment with price rises, however small the rises. It is noticeable that the prices of many products have gone up by 5 to 10% in the past year. Isn't there the danger that customers might find us expensive? I certainly find Tesco expensive these days.
I'm not alone in thinking that the companies cost cutting is putting extra stress on a lot of people. Up until now cost cutting has been this leaderships chief solution to increasing profitability. We all know that there was a lot of slack in the way that stores were run up until Tesco started hitting hard times. It's arguable now that cuts on many departments have taken things too far the other way. The board haven't really increased revenues, take out the effect of inflation and they haven't increased revenues at all.
I am indifferent to Jacks success or lack of. It will have little effect on me or others in a similar position to me. I don't doubt that with Tesco's infrastructure there is the potential for it to be a success.

Can I ask where you live that is so isolated?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Red75 on 20-09-18, 04:18PM
I would prefer not to disclose the exact area of where I work, there aren't many stores round here. It is among the most rural of locations that Tesco trade in and one of the least densely populated counties in the UK.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 20-09-18, 04:37PM
Sorry for going off topic.

VLH seems to have attracted a certain number of members that do not come here to offer advice for the problems others may have, nor do they appear to have problems themselves for which they need help, their sole purpose on VLH is to promote the company and criticise or belittle other members.  One of the VLH founding purposes was for members to seek or offer help/advice.

Opinions will be offered and welcomed in subjects such as this, but they should not include opinions of other members no matter how thinly disguised.

Be warned when defending a VLH principle, and/or a rule that is in the registration agreement, then action(s) maybe taken.  VLH has survived 16 years without such members and may well do so for another 16 (or more).

Back to Jack's.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Classy Bird on 20-09-18, 04:47PM
I think that J's is a good idea and could work where others have failed in the past.

A lot of comsumers are now after buying British and what to keep their shopping costs low, I know if a J's opened local to me I'd try it out rather than use the other European discounters.

D.L is a bit ruthless in his decisions to keep Tesco afloat and keep making the business profitable. Needs to be though, if not kept competitive and up to date with what the current market is doing there will be a lot more redundancies in the future.

T isn't as good a company to work for as it used to be pre the financial scandal and its gone from imo a company that cared about its employees to a company that just has employee numbers, each as replaceable as the next (the latter probably hasn't changed)

Morale has taken a nose dive amoung the employees with the long service history where I am, there is always talk of the good old days before the perks were stripped away. I think most are in agreement that it is better to be employed by Tesco rather than Jacks.

Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: cosmosmallpiece on 20-09-18, 04:50PM
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/went-shopping-big-tesco-compare-15177937.amp (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/went-shopping-big-tesco-compare-15177937.amp)
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nowanexmgr on 20-09-18, 05:50PM
I certainly hope that the new venture succeeds. As an employee and a share holder it is a win win for me if it does. As it is for all of us.

And credit where it is due.

Dave Lewis has taken on the old fashioned, out of date, working practises of old and been impressively ruthless in his heroic quest to drag Tesco, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century.

In my store we have finally been able to rid ourselves of 5 feckless and lazy managers over the last few years. As well as dozens of equally lazy and destructive staff from the shopfloor.
The ship is now a lot tighter controlled, and a lot leaner. Which is great. The staff are now more multi-skilled, and are significantly more amenable to management requests than in the old days of "not my job, gov".

Basically we are giving better service, at less cost, and much much smarter than in the bad old days of a decade ago.

Hurrah for Dave. Finally a leader with the cojones to tackle the lazy and the work shy.

Long may he reign.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 20-09-18, 05:59PM
Sorry for going off topic.

VLH seems to have attracted a certain number of members that do not come here to offer advice for the problems others may have, nor do they appear to have problems themselves for which they need help, their sole purpose on VLH is to promote the company and criticise or belittle other members.  One of the VLH founding purposes was for members to seek or offer help/advice.

Opinions will be offered and welcomed in subjects such as this, but they should not include opinions of other members no matter how thinly disguised.

Be warned when defending a VLH principle, and/or a rule that is in the registration agreement, then action(s) maybe taken.  VLH has survived 16 years without such members and may well do so for another 16 (or more).

Back to Jack's.

Subtweet much?

So I can’t have a positive opinion about a company who I have worked for for 12 + years? Do I have to be a whining, moaning naysayer in order to fit in here?
This is not a thinly veiled critique - this is as open as I can be -

It is 2018. It is not 1978.
The unions are not what they once were, for that you can only blame the unions and the lethargy of the colleague population.
Nothing in this world is “as good as it was in the old days” because everyone believes they had it better in tears gone by. I’d disagree.

Jack’s signals the return of Tesco proper. The return of the machine that took us to number 1 in the market. The machine that for many years meant we had the best pay, the best benefits and the best pension of any tetailer in the market.

You want that back? I do.
How to get it? Talk the company up. Do the processes. Follow the rules. Tell everyone how good our quality is. Tell everyone what great work we do with waste, with charity donations, with everything.
Build more market confidence. Support the growth.

Look beyond the end of your steel toe caps.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: grim up north on 20-09-18, 06:14PM
Does anyone know if Tesco are supplied the new Jacks stores through there own distribution network or are they using the booker part of the company?

Our DC has branded Jack's MU's, so I imagine we'll be delivering to the stores.

Is jack's classed as T then or a separate entity? If, for example T made a loss, but Jack's made massive massive profits, would T staff still get a bonus? Or if T made a profit, and Jack's made a loss, would this be used to not pay a bonus?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 20-09-18, 06:23PM
Does anyone know if Tesco are supplied the new Jacks stores through there own distribution network or are they using the booker part of the company?

Our DC has branded Jack's MU's, so I imagine we'll be delivering to the stores.

Is jack's classed as T then or a separate entity? If, for example T made a loss, but Jack's made massive massive profits, would T staff still get a bonus? Or if T made a profit, and Jack's made a loss, would this be used to not pay a bonus?

It will be part of  the “Tesco Group” that includes Booker, One Stop, CE, ROI etc so the performance of UK stores will not be directly attributed to Jacks being loss making or profitable.
Colleague bonuses are linked to the performance of “Tesco Stores Ltd” rather than the whole group.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: OvaSees on 20-09-18, 07:15PM
So I can’t have a positive opinion about a company who I have worked for for 12 + years? Do I have to be a whining, moaning naysayer in order to fit in here?
Of course you can ManyFormats. I completely disagree with your view on Jacks (you're perefctly entitled to that view of course) but I fully support your being here and actually enjoy seeing a different point of view - mine has changed in several ways as a result of seeing different views. Wouldn't be a good place if it was just a collection of whiners all agreeing with each other. Stick around! FWIW, I'm not negative about the business doing something I'm just sceptical and therefore critical of it, that's not the same as hating on the place that employs me. If you cut out somebody's tongue you do not prove them wrong or a liar, you merely show the world you are scared of what they have to say...
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Spongbob on 20-09-18, 07:22PM
Why  not just reduce our stupid over priced items  just cut prices no need for all this c**p jacks  omg 
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nowanexmgr on 20-09-18, 07:22PM
Sorry for going off topic.

VLH seems to have attracted a certain number of members that do not come here to offer advice for the problems others may have, nor do they appear to have problems themselves for which they need help, their sole purpose on VLH is to promote the company and criticise or belittle other members.  One of the VLH founding purposes was for members to seek or offer help/advice.

Opinions will be offered and welcomed in subjects such as this, but they should not include opinions of other members no matter how thinly disguised.

Be warned when defending a VLH principle, and/or a rule that is in the registration agreement, then action(s) maybe taken.  VLH has survived 16 years without such members and may well do so for another 16 (or more).

Back to Jack's.

Subtweet much?

So I can’t have a positive opinion about a company who I have worked for for 12 + years? Do I have to be a whining, moaning naysayer in order to fit in here?
This is not a thinly veiled critique - this is as open as I can be -

It is 2018. It is not 1978.
The unions are not what they once were, for that you can only blame the unions and the lethargy of the colleague population.
Nothing in this world is “as good as it was in the old days” because everyone believes they had it better in tears gone by. I’d disagree.

Jack’s signals the return of Tesco proper. The return of the machine that took us to number 1 in the market. The machine that for many years meant we had the best pay, the best benefits and the best pension of any tetailer in the market.

You want that back? I do.
How to get it? Talk the company up. Do the processes. Follow the rules. Tell everyone how good our quality is. Tell everyone what great work we do with waste, with charity donations, with everything.
Build more market confidence. Support the growth.

Look beyond the end of your steel toe caps.

Hear hear
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 20-09-18, 07:33PM
So I can’t have a positive opinion about a company who I have worked for for 12 + years? Do I have to be a whining, moaning naysayer in order to fit in here?
Of course you can ManyFormats. I completely disagree with your view on Jacks (you're perefctly entitled to that view of course) but I fully support your being here and actually enjoy seeing a different point of view - mine has changed in several ways as a result of seeing different views. Wouldn't be a good place if it was just a collection of whiners all agreeing with each other. Stick around! FWIW, I'm not negative about the business doing something I'm just sceptical and therefore critical of it, that's not the same as hating on the place that employs me. If you cut out somebody's tongue you do not prove them wrong or a liar, you merely show the world you are scared of what they have to say...

Critical is wholly different to most of what I’ve read on some of these forums - there is a general apathy towards the company and a naiive belief that an individual’s singular experience in one store represents everyone else’s experiences - eg to get promoted you have to somehow be a swot, a smartarse or a relative. Just rubbish.

If we kept the final salary pension scheme, then the business would have been crippled with debt and probably collapsed. To stay competitive, we have to innovate.

What makes Jack’s different to the criminally neglegent Phil Clarke era is the relevance of the business direction.
Clarke bought Giraffe, Harris & Hoole, Freds (remember them anyone?) as well as all sorts of other weird money wasting ventures.

DL has binned all those off, rightly so, and bought the world’s leading Wholesaler and set us up with a new discounter with a British provenance.
Keeping it simple and relevant.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 20-09-18, 07:40PM
Why  not just reduce our stupid over priced items  just cut prices no need for all this c**p jacks  omg

What facts can you back this up with?

Last week our price basket was 2% cheaper than Aldi and 4% cheaper than Lidl on like for like products.
We are already cheaper in our big stores. Prime example of being mad at the company for no reason and with no truth.

The challenge is the size and scale of Tesco does not allow us to compete long term. To do this we need an operating model with lower costs - more pallet stock, less range, simpler pricing structure, all the things the discounters do well, we have to see what they do and improve on it.
Laurence Harvey has been leading this project for Tesco and he is an Ex Aldi Exec - he knows what he’s doing and therefore so do we.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: grim up north on 20-09-18, 07:46PM
All the MU's for Jack's are from the same suppliers as T. How much price difference is there, for example 2l Ashbeck water, or plum tomatoes?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 20-09-18, 07:50PM
All the MU's for Jack's are from the same suppliers as T. How much price difference is there, for example 2l Ashbeck water, or plum tomatoes?

There are no Tesco branded products in Jacks.
But for example, Jack’s baked beans are 23p. T E Stockwell beans are 23p. Aldi and Lidl are 26p
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: belfast driver on 20-09-18, 07:53PM
Does anyone know if Tesco are supplied the new Jacks stores through there own distribution network or are they using the booker part of the company?

Our DC has branded Jack's MU's, so I imagine we'll be delivering to the stores.

Is jack's classed as T then or a separate entity? If, for example T made a loss, but Jack's made massive massive profits, would T staff still get a bonus? Or if T made a profit, and Jack's made a loss, would this be used to not pay a bonus?

Grim  up North what depot are you based in?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: OvaSees on 20-09-18, 07:58PM
Why  not just reduce our stupid over priced items  just cut prices no need for all this c**p jacks  omg

What facts can you back this up with?
Erm... https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/stores/the-grocer-33 (https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/stores/the-grocer-33)

Well...  https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/went-shopping-big-tesco-compare-15177937.amp (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/went-shopping-big-tesco-compare-15177937.amp)

Laurence Harvey has been leading this project for Tesco and he is an Ex Aldi Exec - he knows what he’s doing and therefore so do we.
I remember being told that when Matt Davies jumped on board. How long do you think Laurence will be around then?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: grim up north on 20-09-18, 08:11PM
Does anyone know if Tesco are supplied the new Jacks stores through there own distribution network or are they using the booker part of the company?

Our DC has branded Jack's MU's, so I imagine we'll be delivering to the stores.

Is jack's classed as T then or a separate entity? If, for example T made a loss, but Jack's made massive massive profits, would T staff still get a bonus? Or if T made a profit, and Jack's made a loss, would this be used to not pay a bonus?

Grim  up North what depot are you based in?

A T one
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: grim up north on 20-09-18, 08:12PM
All the MU's for Jack's are from the same suppliers as T. How much price difference is there, for example 2l Ashbeck water, or plum tomatoes?

There are no Tesco branded products in Jacks.
But for example, Jack’s baked beans are 23p. T E Stockwell beans are 23p. Aldi and Lidl are 26p

T sell ashbeck spring water. Jack's sell ashbeck spring water in different packaging. If there is a difference in price for the same product, do you think customers will be happy with it?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 20-09-18, 08:21PM
Why  not just reduce our stupid over priced items  just cut prices no need for all this c**p jacks  omg

What facts can you back this up with?
Erm... https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/stores/the-grocer-33 (https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/stores/the-grocer-33)

Well...  https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/went-shopping-big-tesco-compare-15177937.amp (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/went-shopping-big-tesco-compare-15177937.amp)

Laurence Harvey has been leading this project for Tesco and he is an Ex Aldi Exec - he knows what he’s doing and therefore so do we.
I remember being told that when Matt Davies jumped on board. How long do you think Laurence will be around then?

Did you stop reading the article halfway? Or did you expect me not to have already have read it?

To quote:
“The thing is, a Tesco spokesperson says the prices taken from the launch, which are being widely used to compare against other stores, aren't necessarily accurate.

And our shopping basket from Burnage contained products from the 'exclusively at Tesco' range of brands, which quite often undercut Tesco's own prices.

A spokesperson said: “By beating the lowest national price on products with similar quality, we believe Jack’s will be the cheapest for shoppers in its towns.””

Go out and buy that exact basket in Aldi and Lidl.
You will pay more, you will queue, amd you will have your shopping thrown at you at the checkout bagging area.
Use the app in Jack’s do your shop, scan the self scan screen and out you go.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: ManyFormats on 20-09-18, 08:23PM
All the MU's for Jack's are from the same suppliers as T. How much price difference is there, for example 2l Ashbeck water, or plum tomatoes?

There are no Tesco branded products in Jacks.
But for example, Jack’s baked beans are 23p. T E Stockwell beans are 23p. Aldi and Lidl are 26p

T sell ashbeck spring water. Jack's sell ashbeck spring water in different packaging. If there is a difference in price for the same product, do you think customers will be happy with it?

What prices are they selling at? Is there any difference this morning?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: grim up north on 20-09-18, 08:31PM

What prices are they selling at? Is there any difference this morning?

I've no idea. That's why I asked. You seem to have your finger on the pulse
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Duracell on 20-09-18, 11:24PM
Critical is wholly different to most of what I’ve read on some of these forums - there is a general apathy towards the company and a naiive belief that an individual’s singular experience in one store represents everyone else’s experiences - eg to get promoted you have to somehow be a swot, a smartarse or a relative. Just rubbish.

If we kept the final salary pension scheme, then the business would have been crippled with debt and probably collapsed. To stay competitive, we have to innovate.

What makes Jack’s different to the criminally neglegent Phil Clarke era is the relevance of the business direction.
Clarke bought Giraffe, Harris & Hoole, Freds (remember them anyone?) as well as all sorts of other weird money wasting ventures.

DL has binned all those off, rightly so, and bought the world’s leading Wholesaler and set us up with a new discounter with a British provenance.
Keeping it simple and relevant.

As for naive belief and singular experience, to then go on to say if we had kept the Pension scheme.... you do realise that “A defined Benefit Pension scheme”  wasn’t closed to all and some are still enjoying the benefit and paying into such a scheme .. don’t you? Or are you expecting me to believe your limited perspective?

Also grim up north has a point, please speculate what the reaction will be when T’s customer base (loyal ones), realise that indeed spring water sourced and packaged by the same supplier is cheaper at Jacks, do you not feel the existing customer base at T will feel a little cheated.
Or are going to try to imply not one product line from Jacks will be from the same sources as T lines just in different packaging.

One other thing what is your opinion about my earlier post with regards to the sourcing company for Bookers and the Euro Shopper Brand, with The History Of The Euro Shopper Brand having to be rebranded in Other countries, and the impending fate of the UK leaving the EU, will a Brand with Euro in its title be able to survive in the UK having Migrated the EU, and could a “Jacks” Brand play any part in a rebranding of the Euroshopper Brand?
Having the Euroshopper brand survival question in mind, is it coincidence that the Jacks brand name is accompanied by 🇬🇧 on packaging and shelving?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: rogersmart on 21-09-18, 12:55AM
Duracell makes a good point about the feelings of existing Tesco shoppers regarding “identical” products having Jack’s labels instead of Tesco, and being sold at lower prices.  But .... isn’t that what Jack’s is all about?  Providing a more basic, no-frills store environment - many fewer staff, no Customer Services counter, a fraction of the product range, etc, etc.  It’s very much a question of “You pay your money and you make your choice!”  I think it’s a brave concept and as has already been said here, it’s up to all of us to highlight the benefits in terms of service and shopping experience in Tesco to offset any price differences.  We can all see this as a real opportunity to take on Sainsbury’s and the rest, or we can be beaten before we have started.  I for one want to give it a go!
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Duracell on 21-09-18, 01:07AM
I understand the concept, I hope it makes a difference for the company and consumers.
Yet based on the information about roll out, and geographical locations and how limited it is, I can’t see it impacting the discount market that much, yet if it expands to be able to, it will inherently have a negative effect on T’s core business.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 21-09-18, 10:20AM
Staff in medium size stores need to beware if Jack's is a success as they will run with a lot less staff.

DL in an article, if successful we have optionality going forward  :-X
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: fatboy on 21-09-18, 11:35AM
How many new Jack's stores have opened this week?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: madness on 21-09-18, 12:57PM
I wonder if the offset in reduced till staff for using steal as you shop will balance out the cost in shrink?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 21-09-18, 01:15PM
@fatboy, 2 apparently.

https://forecourttrader.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/15667/Tesco_launches_Jack_s_discount_chain_and_own_brand.html (https://forecourttrader.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/15667/Tesco_launches_Jack_s_discount_chain_and_own_brand.html)

Quote
Over the next six months Tesco will launch 10-15 Jack’s stores in the UK. The first two stores will open on 20 September in Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, and Immingham, Lincolnshire, on sites which make use of excess Tesco space. The stores to follow will include a mix of new sites, sites adjacent to existing Tesco stores, and a small number of converted Tesco stores.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: grim up north on 21-09-18, 06:39PM
Has 'manyformats' been kicked off the site?

Global Moderator Comment Yes
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Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: woody505 on 21-09-18, 07:25PM
Managed to find a few prices for Jack's and confused tesco is either lower already or identical by time you allow for the pack size. You don't have too pick up brand names going round tesco plenty of competitive prices on the basic ranges. So opening new shops with mainly just the budget lines where margins are tite is going to turn things round. Sainsburys had ago with netto a few years ago and couldn't make it work. Looks like a massive gamble.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Trickster on 21-09-18, 07:30PM

I will throw a spin ......with my thoughts.....from my crystal ball

Facts

•   5 are ex metro store.....Clearly non profitable stores

•   Others are mothballed stores or land....buildings or land that is being de-valued each year as no-one apart from house builders want land and retail speaks for itself with the amount of empty retail units throughout the past few years and more to come no-one wants bricks & mortar buildings.

•   Extras/superstores etc not fit for purpose too big for the ranges and sales apart from Xmas  as far as i am aware. As above no retailer really wants to open any more stores or get into bed within Tesco using their space to promote their wares. you only have to look at house of Fraser and Debenhams as to what the public want Big department stores with concessions is a thing of the past. so the answer is who wants the space in our shops?

Here is my opinion for what its worth.....

•   At least one of the stores is on the property of one of our big stores.

•   The amount of money invested is not huge in big corporate circles, £25million is only 6 Dave Lewis`s salary and bonus`s

•   I believe that each and every site that they are using is a test pilot unless I have missed the news there was no anouncement of any further concrete openings after these. Although I am sure they do have a plan if its successful and a list of stores will be in the confidential box, where the open and honest approach got put that Dave lewis promoted when he took over all that time ago but never delivered,to his loyal staff, you only have to look at the amount of redundancies loss of premiums over the years most of which were speculated on here before he had the open and honesty to tell is loyal staff .

•   The Metros that are being used cannot be making money ....otherwise they would keep them open as Metros so possibly without this Jacks project potentially they would  have been on a closure list, in the future. Not knowing the stores it may well be they are on a long lease that would cost them to get out of.

•   As previously stated the land and mothballed property they own is de-valuing and dead money being held up so why not give it a go and get some income from a derelict property

•   So therefore my theory is this  it is a test to see if they can compete for customer loyalty in the jacks format and drag some customers from Aldi/ Lidl as indicated stop their expansion with a one stop shop next to, within or within the vicinity of the big stores.

•   if they can specially with the trial within the vicinity of a nearby large store they will split some of the extras store buildings into a jacks and Tesco. keeping them as separate business`s under the same roof, Different entrances Jacks would drag in the footfall  with the prices and profitability with the staffing level ( and no extra rent to pay) whilst visiting the Jacks format they would nip into the Tesco and get the rest of their shopping, at a premium price.

•   I believe after 12 months if it does what I predict there will be a major rollout over the whole of the extra and superstore estate, at least where they own the building or on a long lease


As for Asda /sainsbury they have a plan otherwise they would not have tried to merge.

My Theory is-:
•   They will do similar to what I said above with the Asda being the discount arm managed similarly to Jacks, of the retail outfit and the Sainsbury being the Tesco.

•   The 2 business`s will be as already anounced run separately from separate warehouses but both run under the same roof with Habitat and Argos thrown in to make it a one stop destination.

•   As for lonely Morrisions........Already in bed with Amazon it would not surprise me in the long term they will become part of Amazon maybe not yet but in the future.

Here endeth the lesson from Mystic Trickster.... time will tell if I am right
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: grim up north on 21-09-18, 08:26PM
Has 'manyformats' been kicked off the site?

Yes.

Differing points of view are valid I think. I had no problem with them.

Administrator Comment I have no problem with differing points of view, except when the point(s) being expressed are on the character of others. Please also consider that there are those in Tesco and USDAW hierarchy who have a big dislike of VLH and will do whatever they can to 'spoil' it for those genuinely seeking help or wanting to give help, one such spoiler method would be to flood it with members who are little more than a mouthpiece for the company or union, if that is what the majority of VLH members want then I and the moderators will sit back and let them destroy the main purpose of VLH which is for members to help each and have 'friendly' differing opinions along the way. Nomad
 
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: woody505 on 22-09-18, 12:29AM
The depot that is supplying them is probably using the same supplier put paying a tiny bit more for a different label from the printer. How can 15 trial shops provide better buying power than the rest of the company. How can the buyers of Jack's go too the baked bean factory and negotiate a better price than all over supermarkets? I'm not paid too think but somebody we'll above my pay grade thinks it's a worth it. Hope for shareholders and ppls jobs it's not another hudl
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: exmember on 22-09-18, 12:44AM
Could this be the new Jack's store built in Extra car park. Says won't sell food but have to wait and see  https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/tesco-new-shop-exeter-vale-1203024 (https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/tesco-new-shop-exeter-vale-1203024)
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 22-09-18, 10:13AM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/jacks-prices-vs-normal-tesco-13279629 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/jacks-prices-vs-normal-tesco-13279629)

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So we're getting the same basket for less money at the 'proper' Tesco.

Hmmmmm....

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The thing is, a Tesco spokesperson says the prices taken from the launch, which are being widely used to compare against other stores, aren't necessarily accurate.
But the store was open to everyday customers, is he saying a lot of the pricing was wrong, does not say much for efficiency.

Hmmmmmm  8-)
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Totot on 22-09-18, 12:44PM
I think this is show that tosco's bosses are chasing the after image of aldi and lidl that they dont even create. From calling them discounter to the advert war whose the cheapest, tosco really fell into that game.

In most business it will be all about market segmentation and where you aim it, single or multiple target. Tesco seems forget about this. the hardest part about this is to know when condition and culture change, in where and how fast. Good budgeting forecast ability would be a must in this game, and the art side of managerial as good managerial instinct will be as important.

And price wise, it is even more simple.  Cost of product, sunk cost, operation cost, asset value and depreciation cost etc with profit margin target is almost all about it. While cost of product can be negotiate, but stuff like lease, rent or even buy a property was already decided before the shop open, along with sunk cost and non accountable cost. If tosco made mistake in the beginning will result to have higher cost no matter what format we have. And all of this will need to be taken account against target market and the size of the market, and this is long before all the small adjustment. As we know, the change value of asset few years ago gave a huge impact on revenue statement.

Who knows about these financial number and how the project and forecast that. Low price alone wont be enough if you cant get your market target. For example, pound stretcher prices, some of their stuff have the best prices i know, including branded item, but they got no clear target or not big enough with often wrong location. No target for shopping type even.

So let see what gonna happened in the future, for me i still cant see retail and management skill from big bosses up there. Still can see so many inefficiency in daily routine, wrong selling forecast against ordering quantity. No substantial "trick" come out.
But even if everything so good, with this low level of human resources management in almost all level, any company or body wont last.It might be not the core management but it is one of the most essentials.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: forrestgimp on 22-09-18, 04:28PM
Reading the comments on this thread had been hilarious, frustrating and downright embarrassing.

It is clear from the majority of the comments that most of you have no idea how the. New format will work, what the rollout plan is, why it is needed rather than being done in a Tesco store, and why we’re doing it.

How about, for once *just for once* you look at the project with an open mind and optimism?

The facts are:
💡80% of the products are British
💡We will open 10/15 stores this year
💡5 of these will be from existing Metro stores - the colleagues in these stores are already aware of the changes and have been spoken to/offered options
💡The remainder of stores will therefore be NEW. This means the company is trading well and is in a strong financial position. This is good for the Share price, Your Pension and your longevity working for a profitable business
💡We are taking on the German discounters at their own game, levelling the playing field in terms of operation, but with an added buying power of Tesco, Booker and Carrefour, and the world class distribution networks of Tesco and Booker.
💡imagine being in Sainsbury’s or Asda this morning, limited to big stores, facing the prospect of dozens and dozens of store closures, integration of 2 replenishment systems, distribution networks, working agreements and supplier negotiations, losing Market Share to the discounters and now a new challenge to face from Jack’s

We should be getting behind the business on this, recognising that it benefits everyone for it to be successful and be proud that Tesco is back doing what it is best at - being disruptive in the market and fighting for Market Share.

Still seems a bit weird when you have a huge retail set up with hundreds or thousands of shops with turn over in the billions and yet the only way you can see to take on the Germans as you put it is to start from scratch. Are you saying Tesco is incapable of doing so, bit of an admission that is eh. Are you also telling us that we face the very real prospect of dozens and dozens of store closures because I cant see 15 shops doing anything against that can you?

No this strikes me as someones big idea when they needed to prove how great they are at their job and why they are worth the few million a year they get paid. Wonder how you swung it......Hey dave we suck moose bawls so I recon we should open another set of stores called something different like Daves or at a push something else that way we can sell the cheap stuff we already sell put a different label on it and take on the Germans........ What do you think dave eh, eh, eh.

Like I said can you hurry up the store closures I want my redundancy.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: usualsuspect on 22-09-18, 05:26PM
Is the Tesco brand now so tainted that it is put out to grass , and a new identity brought to the public ?

If we are so proud of Tesco and so optimistic then surely we should strengthen the brand identity through retailing diversity under the Tesco Local banner .

We are Tesco , be proud and wave the banner , forward and upwards under " all things to all of the people " via a variety of identifiable retail formats .

The Tesco logo must be worth billions and we subjugate it to " JACK'S " ?

Steve

Us
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: grim up north on 22-09-18, 08:22PM
The value range has all been rebranded hasn't it? Now though it might be called jacks in those stores?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: woody505 on 23-09-18, 01:42AM
Yeah not much left for value now just water lemonade crisps soap
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 24-09-18, 10:39AM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/23/i-fear-for-shopping-when-its-goop-for-glitz-and-jacks-for-austerity (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/23/i-fear-for-shopping-when-its-goop-for-glitz-and-jacks-for-austerity)

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Tesco and Goop are both engaged in full-on retail segregation – but only one is being upfront about it. With Jack’s, it’s not the produce that got rebranded, it’s the consumers.

I thought the entire article a good read, with the above line being food for thought.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Omg1 on 24-09-18, 11:35AM
Do we know where the other converted stores may be. I heard there is one in Stoke.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: chris9997 on 24-09-18, 12:04PM
Could this be the new Jack's store built in Extra car park. Says won't sell food but have to wait and see  https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/tesco-new-shop-exeter-vale-1203024 (https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/tesco-new-shop-exeter-vale-1203024)
not sure if a jacks next to an existing extra would work, as surely the customer would rather go into a store knowing they would be able to get all there shopping rather than bits of it from jacks albeit for a little cheaper.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: grim up north on 24-09-18, 12:31PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/23/i-fear-for-shopping-when-its-goop-for-glitz-and-jacks-for-austerity (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/23/i-fear-for-shopping-when-its-goop-for-glitz-and-jacks-for-austerity)

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Tesco and Goop are both engaged in full-on retail segregation – but only one is being upfront about it. With Jack’s, it’s not the produce that got rebranded, it’s the consumers.

I thought the entire article a good read, with the above line being food for thought.

The article comes across as elitist to me. Who says T want to keep 'poor' people out of their normal shops? And since when are 'poor' people the only ones who shop in discounters?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: 1 on 24-09-18, 01:16PM
People shop local regardless of the price.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 24-09-18, 01:41PM
"People shop local regardless of the price." but not everybody, we always drive past other retailers to get to our personal choice of retailer.

"Who says T want to keep 'poor' people out of their normal shops?" anybody who wants to  8)

If you sell XXX for £5 then somebody starts selling XXX for £4.50 why would you set up (with associated costs) a new store down the road selling XXX for £4  :question:  :-\
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Duracell on 24-09-18, 03:54PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/23/i-fear-for-shopping-when-its-goop-for-glitz-and-jacks-for-austerity (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/23/i-fear-for-shopping-when-its-goop-for-glitz-and-jacks-for-austerity)

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Tesco and Goop are both engaged in full-on retail segregation – but only one is being upfront about it. With Jack’s, it’s not the produce that got rebranded, it’s the consumers.

I thought the entire article a good read, with the above line being food for thought.

Another perspective of how the company maybe under estimating how customers think in response to changes they make.

As for, building something next to a store that won’t be selling food, it probably won’t be T or J’s and it’s not new strategy either, they have done it many times in the past, purpose building for someone else, it turns assets into capital without any threat to their neighbouring Business.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Classy Bird on 25-09-18, 10:48PM
2 Jack's stores opening in Merseyside next week, in former metro stores
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 28-09-18, 10:48AM
Tesco's new brexit supermarket doesnt stack up (https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/tescos-new-brexit-supermarket-doesnt-stack-up/)

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Tesco bosses swear Jack’s is ‘nothing to do with Brexit’. But the clue’s in the name. It’s supposedly an homage to Tesco’s founder, Jack Cohen — but it’s no accident that in-store, you’ll find Union Jacks everywhere, as well as signs telling you that ‘every drop of fresh milk is British’ and ‘eight out of ten products are British’.

How true that is remains debatable; Tesco has found itself in trouble before over its ‘fake farm’ brands, with bucolic names such as Woodside Farms pasted on the shop’s cheap ranges of fresh produce. These farms don’t actually exist, and the meat and vegetables are sourced from all over Europe. Apart from the fact that Britishness isn’t — whisper it — a guarantee of quality, I’m sure I can’t be the only one raising an eyebrow at a few of their claims.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: fatboy on 28-09-18, 11:05AM
Does make me laugh when people go on about fake farms. Does anyone really think Aunt Bessie, Uncle Ben & Captain Birds eye are real people??
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Classy Bird on 28-09-18, 11:39AM
I don't think Tesco ever claimed that their fake farms were going to be british products. My understanding was it was a move away from the 'Value' brand and stigma attached for the customers
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Duracell on 28-09-18, 04:27PM
Tesco's new brexit supermarket doesnt stack up (https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/tescos-new-brexit-supermarket-doesnt-stack-up/)

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Tesco bosses swear Jack’s is ‘nothing to do with Brexit’. But the clue’s in the name. It’s supposedly an homage to Tesco’s founder, Jack Cohen — but it’s no accident that in-store, you’ll find Union Jacks everywhere, as well as signs telling you that ‘every drop of fresh milk is British’ and ‘eight out of ten products are British’.

How true that is remains debatable; Tesco has found itself in trouble before over its ‘fake farm’ brands, with bucolic names such as Woodside Farms pasted on the shop’s cheap ranges of fresh produce. These farms don’t actually exist, and the meat and vegetables are sourced from all over Europe. Apart from the fact that Britishness isn’t — whisper it — a guarantee of quality, I’m sure I can’t be the only one raising an eyebrow at a few of their claims.

I did mention this in a previous post, my personal belief is it may all be bigger than what the article says. I think they have an eye on a prize.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 28-09-18, 07:35PM
Duracell, I was aware that you had.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: optout on 28-09-18, 11:12PM
@Fatboy
say it ain't so :o
 ;)
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: VladPutin on 29-09-18, 08:29PM
What's everyone's thoughts on the new discount chain.

It was thought up by people at Head Office. So by definition, it's a bad idea. 8-)
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: BlueToon on 30-09-18, 09:09AM
Does anyone really think Aunt Bessie, Uncle Ben & Captain Birds eye are real people??
I KNOW Captain Birds Eye is real coz I saw him on telly!
:-)
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: 1 on 30-09-18, 07:48PM
Give Jack's a chance. It might help Tesco retain some of the market share previously given up to discounters. Not everyone can afford to buy branded goods. Jack's sounds like a way of giving these customers an option. Dave is not doing anything others would not. 
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 30-09-18, 09:45PM
Everybody has the option of shopping in other retailers who have unbranded goods.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: tumshie on 30-09-18, 10:18PM
Are staff in Jack's on the same payscale & pension & discounts as staff in Tesco stores?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: 1 on 01-10-18, 09:20AM
Jack's GAs get £9/hour the T&Cs are different.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Kipper11 on 01-10-18, 07:45PM
And Jack’s staff don’t get a uniform. They wear there own clothes and just get an apron and name badge
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: forrestgimp on 02-10-18, 03:14PM
Give Jack's a chance. It might help Tesco retain some of the market share previously given up to discounters. Not everyone can afford to buy branded goods. Jack's sounds like a way of giving these customers an option. Dave is not doing anything others would not.

Ok, It will give customers the chance to buy unbranded goods which not everyone can afford to do. Yep sounds great until you realise Tesco do that already they have the infrastructure the shops and the workforce to do exactly that, oh and they also sell all the affordable unbranded goods you are talking about so why is there a need for the same shop under a different name owned by the same company?

What makes Jacks different to Tesco anything other than the name? I bet you are using Tescos distribution to get the goods you are buying with Tesco money to the shops owned by Tesco but called Jacks. Nothing wrong with that but what on earth is the point of it all? Do you really expect this contrived set up to make any difference to Aldi or Lidl at all,  If a huge behemoth of a company like Tesco is unable to compete with them why do you think a few extra shops called something different will be able to?

I really am curious as to why you think its going to make a dent in the customers that use Aldi or Lidl, They know Jacks is Tesco in all but name the prices are going to be the same or more than theirs (the same as Tescos to be fair there are pennys in it) yet for a company banging on about saving money a company that has a black hole that Steven Hawkins would be proud of in its pension scheme a company in debt that makes your eyes bleed reading it for the company to suddenly decide it would be a fantastic idea to open shops called something completely different to their own brand a household name no less to spend countless millions on re branding refurbishing advertising and taking on more staff for these shops (on not great T&Cs probably) seems a waste of money and I am surprised the shareholders have not said as much.


Fresh and easy turned out to be a huge white elephant and I would put a few quid on this going the same way that is unless its sold to the likes of Aldi or Lidl before it goes belly up.

It seems to me to be something to spend money on and something to justify the obscene wages some of you lot get.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: 1 on 02-10-18, 03:49PM
Sorry forrestgimp

I am through and through therefore not allowed to appreciate peoples honesty.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Rad on 02-10-18, 08:01PM
Give Jack's a chance. It might help Tesco retain some of the market share previously given up to discounters. Not everyone can afford to buy branded goods. Jack's sounds like a way of giving these customers an option. Dave is not doing anything others would not.


Ok, It will give customers the chance to buy unbranded goods which not everyone can afford to do. Yep sounds great until you realise Tesco do that already they have the infrastructure the shops and the workforce to do exactly that, oh and they also sell all the affordable unbranded goods you are talking about so why is there a need for the same shop under a different name owned by the same company?

What makes Jacks different to Tesco anything other than the name? I bet you are using Tescos distribution to get the goods you are buying with Tesco money to the shops owned by Tesco but called Jacks. Nothing wrong with that but what on earth is the point of it all? Do you really expect this contrived set up to make any difference to Aldi or Lidl at all,  If a huge behemoth of a company like Tesco is unable to compete with them why do you think a few extra shops called something different will be able to?

I really am curious as to why you think its going to make a dent in the customers that use Aldi or Lidl, They know Jacks is Tesco in all but name the prices are going to be the same or more than theirs (the same as Tescos to be fair there are pennys in it) yet for a company banging on about saving money a company that has a black hole that Steven Hawkins would be proud of in its pension scheme a company in debt that makes your eyes bleed reading it for the company to suddenly decide it would be a fantastic idea to open shops called something completely different to their own brand a household name no less to spend countless millions on re branding refurbishing advertising and taking on more staff for these shops (on not great T&Cs probably) seems a waste of money and I am surprised the shareholders have not said as much.


Fresh and easy turned out to be a huge white elephant and I would put a few quid on this going the same way that is unless its sold to the likes of Aldi or Lidl before it goes belly up.

It seems to me to be something to spend money on and something to justify the obscene wages some of you lot get.

This is a low risk way of challenging the discounters.  There's only 2 stores ready to go just now.  And only another 10-15 in the next year so its not gonna be the express explosion of the last decade.   The entire structure will be different in store and at group level.  I'll bet booker will be supplying it.  The rent or property prices will be different and will fit into the profit model.  We have hardly any, of these aldi and lidl sized stores so its a venture into the unknown.  And if it doesnt work, we sold some cheaper goods to our customers for our anniversary. 

It's different from our current model because we can hardly make any changes right now without hurting profit. We can't offer Jack's products in large or convenience stores because customers will come off some more high profit products and buy the Jack's stuff.  Which hurts profit. 

These Jack's stores will be near aldis or in areas that wont hurt our other stores.   
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Lrob83 on 02-10-18, 09:11PM
I can’t find anything related to my post so hope you don’t mind.

I believe somewhere in the dot com book it stars that drivers do not have to go back to store due to it being a waste of diesel and so on!

Can someone point me in the direction of that info please or send it me.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: forrestgimp on 03-10-18, 08:46AM


This is a low risk way of challenging the discounters.  There's only 2 stores ready to go just now.  And only another 10-15 in the next year so its not gonna be the express explosion of the last decade.   The entire structure will be different in store and at group level.  I'll bet booker will be supplying it.  The rent or property prices will be different and will fit into the profit model.  We have hardly any, of these aldi and lidl sized stores so its a venture into the unknown.  And if it doesnt work, we sold some cheaper goods to our customers for our anniversary. 

It's different from our current model because we can hardly make any changes right now without hurting profit. We can't offer Jack's products in large or convenience stores because customers will come off some more high profit products and buy the Jack's stuff.  Which hurts profit. 

These Jack's stores will be near aldis or in areas that wont hurt our other stores.

Low risk? costly more like it, what does the new shop do differently to the stores Tesco already own and 2 stores are going to make a dent in Lidl or Aldis market share are they (lol) Tesco already own one stop why not use their branding why make yet another brand that needs it own advertising budget.

What changes are you talking about that we need to make that will hurt profits? We already sell the unbranded items the Jacks will sell they are just not called Jacks beans or Jacks soup again something that needs paying for by way of labelling going to the manufacturers so they can label the exact same can of beans that they put Tesco on as Jacks all they do is stop the production line for a moment and swap out labels.

Now you say we will have stores near Aldi or Lidl, Are Tesco intending building them from scratch buying existing shops and refurbishing them or closing Tesco and reopening them as Jacks? Again why, whats the point we have a world leading brand already one thats known the entire planet and yet the only way those at the top can see to take on as they put it Aldi and Lidl is to open a few new store called Jacks.

Its a folly, a complete white elephant it will go the way of fresh and easy sold to someone for a huge loss a few years down the line when the powers that be realise its not and never would work....


Sorry forrestgimp

I am through and through therefore not allowed to appreciate peoples honesty.

Sorry i'm not sure what you are telling me? I wasn't trying to upset you I just wanted a debate.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: AmberWolf on 03-10-18, 09:00AM
Just think on this a minute. Jack's states the goods they are selling are 80% British sourced. I'm not sure on Aldi and Lidl but I hazard a guess at 10% British sourced. Brexit is coming. If it's a hard Brexit the borders to Europe would close, seriously limiting goods import/export. What can Aldi/Lidl sell of its supply line is severely restricted ? Jack's would then be in an extremely strong position to go from a trickle of shops to a rapid expansion.
I don't like a lot of what tosco does but this one actually makes sense.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: aiden on 03-10-18, 09:10AM
61% of food in lidl is UK sourced according to their website. I'd imagine aldis % is similar so not such a massive difference.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Nomad on 03-10-18, 09:53AM
Be wary of the word 'sourced' it could very simply mean purchased from a wholesaler who imported it from somewhere in the world.

There was the case of the "fruit and veg sourced from local farm." sign, a farm which also happened to have a thriving import/export arm of its business   8-)

Sourced does NOT mean grown or reared, although it could be.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Totot on 03-10-18, 10:35AM
Last time i was talking about jack's financial statement, will it be within tesco financial statement or separated. Even not 100% i got more news that it will be separated. So if it is, this is my take.

Judging from what dave did, mostly to polished financial  statement to make it looks good, no actual good business strategy so far. In the beginning he earn his name from big loss mostly from asset depreciation, and ofcuz the next year even do nothing, the loss will be less because its already been done.

All the cutting cost mostly in structural way, cut more benefit and payment for staff, decrease the increase of wages, same thing, just cut the cost regardless the business essentials are. Same things to make financial statement looks good, not even that to be honest just to make lost/profit tab looks good.

I notice those shops who converted not really perform well. unless I have financial data of those metros, i wouldn't know for sure, but  i really think they are burden to tesco's financial statement. Asset value, rent or owned it might be more burden in the future because of reckless decision in the past. Cutting negative contributor on financial statement will make next year tesco financial statement look better ofcourse.
Better financial statement, better salary and bonus, better image for his portfolio.

I dont buy even a little from beginning it is all about challenging aldi and lidl, doesnt make sense and not a good scenario without explaining the logic.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Duracell on 03-10-18, 11:31AM
*maybe boring for some warning*

Speculative thinking.

So in the links above AMS sourcing have phased out the Euro Shopper Brand in other countries.
Given the E U situation, will a Brand Called Euro Shopper be damaged or even able to survive what ever EU trade deal is struck?

If AMS sourcing have to rebrand Euro Shopper in the uk, is it possible that now T has an indirect connection to AMS sourcing that brand maybe J’s ?

The “J’s brand” Then finds itself on every corner shop in the country without the operational costs of those shops being open.

Actual Brand Focus rather than Store format or Shopping experience.

Example if T ended up with 1p in every pound taken by a rebranded (Euro Shopper) logo with hardly any cost, how much would that be worth?


To do that Tesco would need to be manufacturers not just retailers, as it stands manufacturers make products and stick whatever label is needed on it. So what possible monetary benefit would a different retailer get from buying Jacks cheap stuff as opposed to tesco sainsburys or any other supermarkets own brand. Also where does the money for Tesco come from they are not producing anything to sell to the other supermarkets.

If you owned a small shop why would you go to the cash and carry and buy other supermarkets own branded products? If you were a chain that dealt with manufacturers direct why would you pay to have a competitors branded product for your own shelves? I also know from experience that Tesco and all the other major supermarkets are very precious about the recipes for their own brand products and would not take kindly to a third party manufacturer producing products for a competitor regardless of size using their trademarked recipes...

So we get back to Tesco now going into manufacturing to produce all of these wonderful Jacks branded products just to sell to other supermarkets, Not going to happen is it.


Why do they have to be a manufacturer, Booker aren’t, they are part of a sourcing group that source the best products quality for value from manufacturers to label as their Brand, “using scale for good” ( ring any bells).

As for what monetary benefit would other retailers get from buying J’s, the same as they get now from buying Euro Shopper. Where does the money come from for T as they are not Producing anything, Much like now the Only thing T produce at Present is Store made Pizza and Bread the rest is sourced from suppliers who do the manufacturing. No difference.

If you owned a small shop you wouldn’t be buying another’s supermarkets branded products, as T won’t be selling J lines and a couple of stores isn’t exactly established is it,  furthermore of sorts they are already, EuroSopper brand supplied through Booker is now inherently Part of T,s wider arm so cornershops all over the country are getting a brand on the shelf with links to T that have gone through T,s Distribution Network, it’s happening already!  but the key thing is it could be a brand with a limited lifespan because of what transpires with the EU exit deal, a replacement brand is likely required.     J,s 🇬🇧 Ticks quite a few boxes as a replacement brand.

Yes Go back to Manufacturing, so surely if they are unable to do it to supply Booker they will be unable to for themselves.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: 1 on 03-10-18, 11:37AM
There is some amount of CEOs here.
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Duracell on 03-10-18, 11:47AM
CEO,s  ! Where. 👀?
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: southernsofty on 10-11-18, 06:18PM
A question .....
       My store is changing from Tesco to Jack's. After my last pay day at Tesco, if I get a job at Jack's, who pays me whilst the store is refitted, 8-12 weeks.....
Title: Re: Jack's
Post by: Classy Bird on 10-11-18, 08:03PM
I'd say it would be Jack's as the Tesco would have ceased trading from those premises.

It's all probably getting dealt with by the same payroll people, just with the money coming from a different pot.

They should make it clear in your consultations what will happen.
I'm sure I've seen Jack's staff are on a higher hourly rate than T staff £9 an hour which is a big increase on £8.18