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Title: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: Freddyfrog999 on 31-07-18, 08:37PM
Anyone have info on store clusures / conversions to the new discounter subsidary ?

I undsertand Middlewhich is one such store

What options are colleagues been offered etc ?
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: Kingkong2015 on 31-07-18, 08:47PM
Not sure? Heard more distribution centres are to close so wonder what’s going to happen there as well?
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: Twinkeltoes1 on 31-07-18, 09:55PM
https://www.betterretailing.com/tescos-secret-discounter?utm_content=bufferc768a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_RetailExpress&utm_campaign=buffer (https://www.betterretailing.com/tescos-secret-discounter?utm_content=bufferc768a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_RetailExpress&utm_campaign=buffer)
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: patty1 on 01-08-18, 06:02PM
Apply for vacancies in other stores but they have to be interviewed first.  They are being prioritised over other applicants though.
Apply for jobs in new format store and lose redundancy. New t and c's, only length of service retained.
Take the money and run.  Redundancy is statutory, length of service payment plus an amount in lieu of notice.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: GreenGrocer on 01-08-18, 06:26PM
I thought Jacks wasn’t going to interfere with the main brand due to daves careful planning. 
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Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: Trebor64 on 01-08-18, 07:33PM
Our SM talked a bit about this in our Forum meeting today. Castle Brom metro (the only metro on our group) is affected, all colleagues put into consultation ending on 18 August.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: patty1 on 01-08-18, 07:41PM
I've heard of one store closing on the 11th and one on the 18th. Trading as normal until closure, emptied and then the workmen move in. Probably reopen about 4 weeks later.  Might be one date set for all stores to reopen though. More impact that way
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: ETUKL on 01-08-18, 07:59PM
I wont be surprised if all metro convert to jacks they have the right store size when comparing to lidi and aldil
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: madness on 01-08-18, 10:14PM
Aldi and Lidl will be laughing their asses of at this. No way will these stores run without out the burocratic nonsense and 6 million proceedures tesco will insist on.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: patty1 on 01-08-18, 10:49PM
With a third of the staff?? These are not going to be normal stores. Normal rules won't apply.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: PETE_M on 02-08-18, 12:21AM
Not all Metro stores will convert to Jacks. The central London and city centre stores probably won't, many are too small and those with their warehouse on the 1st floor or no carpark probably won't.

 Metro stores I've  heard that are converting are:

Middlewich
Castle Bromwich
Liverpool Edge Lane
St Helens Clockface
Rubery

The mothballed stores in in Imminham and Chatteris have been split in two, half gone to Home Bargains and Pound Stretcher respectively, the raimianing space will become Jacks.

Nearly all the Metro stores converting to the Jacks brand are former Kwik Saves.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: OvaSees on 02-08-18, 07:10AM
Aldi and Lidl will be laughing their asses of at this. No way will these stores run without out the burocratic nonsense and 6 million proceedures tesco will insist on.
Indeed. It also can't carry any credibility with customers. Tesco is ignorant to the fact that Aldi and Lidl succeed because of their simplicity of offer and operation, lower price, comparable quality and decent range. In simple terms, they're just better at giving today's customers what they want and they do so without all the profit-centric bells & whistles Tesco employs to make the shopping trip more laborious than it already is.

Interesting that they are throwing so much time, energy, money and resource at this in a time of escalating rents (which will be a key determinant of locations chosen thus limiting capacity to directly compete) when they all they should do is cut prices and get rid of some suits in the core.

It's just another ridiculous marketing gimmick - remember 'fake farms'? - and customers are fed up with them after years of it.  This whole thing is an admission that Tesco has been ripping customers off for years.

Ultimately it will still be Tesco - you can take the name out of Tesco but you can't take Tesco out of the name.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: Flatout on 02-08-18, 07:36AM
Part of Lidl and Aldi's strategy is to open stores near a Tesco store (other large stores are available!) Therefore taking trade that would normally go to Tesco. This is a strategy Jacks cannot employ, as they would be taking trade from the main Tesco brand.

Personally I think the bureaucracy that Tesco employ will spill over into Jacks and will kill the scheme stone dead.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: filling-machine on 02-08-18, 01:51PM
Personally I think they could work (although not to the phenomenal extent of lidl etc). The whole reason they're not transferring staff straight over is to avoid transferring the "not my job" culture of many long standing staff. A big part of the discounters success is built on very hard working, multi skilled staff on flexible rotas. Everyone does every job as and when required - it's why their payroll model is half the cost of ours.......
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: sfsorrow on 02-08-18, 03:20PM
The whole reason they're not transferring staff straight over is to avoid transferring the "not my job" culture of many long standing staff.

Ha! Tesco divide and rule in action yet again. They are not transferring people because they don't want them to take across T&Cs, not attitudes.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: lackofinterest on 02-08-18, 03:51PM
Personally I think they could work (although not to the phenomenal extent of lidl etc). The whole reason they're not transferring staff straight over is to avoid transferring the "not my job" culture of many long standing staff. A big part of the discounters success is built on very hard working, multi skilled staff on flexible rotas. Everyone does every job as and when required - it's why their payroll model is half the cost of ours.......
as far as i know they get paid £10.50 an hour. tosco expect people to do all jobs for £2+ an hour less. f*** em!!!
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: patty1 on 02-08-18, 03:57PM
£9 per hour. That's what's on the adverts I've seen.  No discount, probably all single time  but that amount of detail isn't on there.  Same generic wording on  adverts for store manager,deputy and csa. Not seen anything for line managers.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: lackofinterest on 02-08-18, 04:03PM
f*** discount!! >:D
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: OvaSees on 02-08-18, 05:03PM
Personally I think they could work (although not to the phenomenal extent of lidl etc). The whole reason they're not transferring staff straight over is to avoid transferring the "not my job" culture of many long standing staff. A big part of the discounters success is built on very hard working, multi skilled staff on flexible rotas. Everyone does every job as and when required - it's why their payroll model is half the cost of ours.......
No, their payroll bill is lower than ours because they structure more leanly - they don't employ an endless stream of managers, regional teams and a bloated head office filled with non-value adding jobs. Quite simply, the discounters are inherently structured with low cost in mind by following the most simple of economic principles - if you cannot quantify what a job generates in terms of revenue or profit then that job is not necessary. It's why they are thus able to pay people more money and simultaneously generate significantly more sales per employee than Tesco - they focus on what matters. Besides, given the pay rates on offer, it's no wonder those 'hard working, multi skilled staff on flexible rotas' choose to work there while Tesco employs whoever is left. They are not just winning the war for custom, they are winning the war for the best labour, because they understand what employees want - money in their pocket - as much as they understand what customers want, which is why customers reward them by shopping with them in ever increasing numbers.

Call it Jack's or whatever you will, it's still Tesco, and as such will come with everything that entails including all the complexity and associated cost. And you can bet, if it isn't there at the start, it will gradually creep in, including 'own label', until it's indistinguishable from Metro. If this is the best innovation Tesco can come up with to address a threat that's been looming for over a decade and which it initially dismissed, against a backdrop of discounter plans to open thousands more stores over the next 5 years then it's failure is inevitable. A tin of Tesco beans is still a tin of Tesco beans regardless of where you buy it from, and we've been here already with One Stop which has practically vanished up it's own arse and been abandoned - Tesco lacks what it needs to make this happen and is unable or unwilling to do what it takes having rid itself of a lot of the talent, knowledge and experience that probably could have made this work.

Besides, despite Tesco having a 'loyalty' scheme customers are more loyal to the discounters who don't even have one, proof that they are better at giving customers what they want - customers thus reward them by doing business with them;-
https://www.talkingretail.com/news/industry-news/consumers-loyal-discounters-big-four-31-07-2018/ (https://www.talkingretail.com/news/industry-news/consumers-loyal-discounters-big-four-31-07-2018/)
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: penguin on 02-08-18, 05:32PM
Aldi and Lidl will be laughing their asses of at this. No way will these stores run without out the burocratic nonsense and 6 million proceedures tesco will insist on.

Tesco just can't help themselves but add stupid bureaucracy and complexity into anything and everything, the latest nonsense is new replenishment routines being rolled out to some express stores (how exactly has filling stock from a cage changed recently) and people are being given jobs as coaches to go into stores and train the staff on said routines, wonder how much all this rubbish is costing. Jacks will no doubt be the same within a year, a good simple format to start with gets ruined by overpaid head office project managers that add nothing to the business.


Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: forrestgimp on 02-08-18, 06:59PM
I know of someone who has applied for what I presume would be a SM role (anything else would be a demotion) he has been interviewed but is nervous because of the change to Ts & Cs.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: GreenGrocer on 02-08-18, 08:11PM
Forrestgimp your point being?
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: AlexM on 03-08-18, 07:33AM
There's 3 Aldo's within a 10 minute drive from my house, of varying sizes. One has just opened. One thing I have noted is - they are all set out the same. All the same products are in the same aisle & all the aisles are in the same place in each shop, & it never gets chopped & changed.
None of this each shop has its own layout palaver that gets moved around every week, like Tesco. Must save a fortune not having to microplan every single shops layout. You can see why Aldi are managing to keep prices low.

Two of my biggest frustrations with Tesco are the constant moving of aisles & the constant changing of range. Go in one week & stuffs where you expect it to be. A week later & it's moved or they've stopped selling it!
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: GreenGrocer on 03-08-18, 09:23AM
AlexM :thumbup:

It makes it harder for the customers to find what they are looking for and takes longer for the fillers to put it on the shelf. The customers are constantly complaining about this in my place.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: Totot on 03-08-18, 09:59AM
It is because tesco still use this old system from some "statistic researcher", a fake "statistic scientist" about how to make customer buy more.
The idea of moving stuff was customer will try to find their item, while they do that they will see other items and that they will buy those items even they didn't needed.

That and put slow song, smaller tiles etc, what a rubbish, this psychological trick that in some school already debunked in the 90's.
The principal of retailing been changing a lot since late 90's and early 2000's for few retailer, and some few new "art of retailing" been emerged since then.

That is why I really doubt that tesco can do this, well even tesco doubt it, if they are not, they will use this system to the whole tesco rather than make a new chain.

As far as I know, tesco still using the old method, it represent the way of thinking and knowledge in retail, when they get cornered they will use this biggest supermarket and the size of the company as true achievement.

Plus bragging cutting cost by cutting the staff number and holding the pay rise as achievement and showing tiny increase in selling as total winner while hiding the fact that price has gone up, inflation up and the market getting bigger and other competitors get more than this were say more what they try to show.

Me personally would never trust leaders who increase their income by cutting their staff income, they are no different than a zombie in my eyes.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: notsofunny on 03-08-18, 02:36PM
Apply for vacancies in other stores but they have to be interviewed first.  They are being prioritised over other applicants though.
Apply for jobs in new format store and lose redundancy. New t and c's, only length of service retained.
Take the money and run.  Redundancy is statutory, length of service payment plus an amount in lieu of notice.

Only take the money if your pay out is expected to be a good one , you plan to stop working anyway ,or you are sure you will be able to find a job to replace it
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: notsofunny on 03-08-18, 03:35PM
Aldi and Lidl will be laughing their asses of at this. No way will these stores run without out the burocratic nonsense and 6 million proceedures tesco will insist on.

Tesco just can't help themselves but add stupid bureaucracy and complexity into anything and everything, the latest nonsense is new replenishment routines being rolled out to some express stores (how exactly has filling stock from a cage changed recently) and people are being given jobs as coaches to go into stores and train the staff on said routines, wonder how much all this rubbish is costing. Jacks will no doubt be the same within a year, a good simple format to start with gets ruined by overpaid head office project managers that add nothing to the business.

I have been on holiday for the last 4 weeks , And have only heard about the new stock control that is coming in and that they will be sending out coaches to show stores how it works , also from what I have heard from the test stores the new way is better ,
But I have not heard about Replenishment routines  ??? so are you sure what you are saying is correct ?
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: forrestgimp on 03-08-18, 06:08PM
Forrestgimp your point being?

It was an anecdotal story that all why does everything have to have a point? 
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: Adywebb on 04-08-18, 11:44PM
Not all Metro stores will convert to Jacks. The central London and city centre stores probably won't, many are too small and those with their warehouse on the 1st floor or no carpark probably won't.

 Metro stores I've  heard that are converting are:

Middlewich
Castle Bromwich
Liverpool Edge Lane
St Helens Clockface
Rubery

The mothballed stores in in Imminham and Chatteris have been split in two, half gone to Home Bargains and Pound Stretcher respectively, the raimianing space will become Jacks.

Nearly all the Metro stores converting to the Jacks brand are former Kwik Saves.
Middlewich is a Superstore
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: PETE_M on 06-08-18, 12:20AM
Ok pedant, it's not branded as a "Metro" bit its no bigger than most Metro stores and it's a former Somerfield/Kwik Save
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: Adywebb on 06-08-18, 10:15PM
No need to be rude - to us that work here we like to be called what we are, or rather were now I guess
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: forrestgimp on 07-08-18, 03:53PM
I dont get all this same size as a metro stuff. I work in a superstore and not a small one, we have about 200 meters down the same road a Lidl that is the same size as our store and a quarter of a mile away an Aldi of a similar size too so obviously not all are small footprint shops.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: PETE_M on 09-08-18, 12:14PM
Well it's quite simple  8-)

Aldi stores are between 9000 sq ft and 13500 sq ft in the U.K., Lidl stores are very similar.

'Metro' format stores vary from 5500 sq ft to 17500 sq ft but the majority of them are 8000 sq ft to 12000 sq ft, certainly the ex Kwik Save/Somerfield ones. Therefore it's likely that any potential 'Jacks' is most likely to be a 'Metro' as they are typically the closest in size to a discount store.

Most (almost all) 'superstores' are over 17500 sq ft. (up to approx 55000 sq ft). There are some exceptions, like Middlewich, Pulborough and Farringdon which aren't branded as 'Metro' stores and look like superstores but are much smaller than most 'superstores'.

So if your 'superstore' is the same size as an Aldi/Lidl, you must be in one of the smallest superstores and the Aldi/Lidl must be one of the biggest. I live a five minute walk from one of Aldi's biggest stores in the U.K. it's no bigger than a store a Tesco would typically brand as a 'Metro' format store.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: Nomad on 09-08-18, 12:30PM
Metro, Express, Extra, Superstore, etc

I never look, I just go into a shop  :)
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: patty1 on 09-08-18, 05:17PM
At the end of the day a lot of people are losing their jobs and there are a lot of p***ed off customers!

Do we know of any that are already being converted?  I think it's tomorrow that the St Helens  store is closing so work should start sometime next week
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: jonty on 09-08-18, 06:14PM
An express branch I know of is closing this weekend for a few days, re-opening as a 'temporary store' a few days later, then closing again near the end of the month, then opening again a few days later? Express seems too small a format to 'jackify', dya think it's just a refurb or could they be doing something with Express stores too?
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: OvaSees on 09-08-18, 08:34PM
They can convert as many as they want, the problem is they are still in the same place yet the discounters' appeal is what has taken customers away from that place. Plus the majority of Metro's - by virtue of being a Metro - are in town centres which are generally in decline and have high business rates. The solution to this for Tesco was to develop the Express format and the solution to this for discounters was generally to avoid those locations and plonk a store right next to an Extra instead - meaning Tesco has paid for the free car park, road access, provides a Cafe and petrol station - all for the discounters' customers. No matter how it get dressed up, it's still Tesco and I still think this will be Drastic's albatross.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: letmego on 09-08-18, 10:52PM
Aldi and Lidl will be laughing their asses of at this. No way will these stores run without out the burocratic nonsense and 6 million proceedures tesco will insist on.

Tesco just can't help themselves but add stupid bureaucracy and complexity into anything and everything, the latest nonsense is new replenishment routines being rolled out to some express stores (how exactly has filling stock from a cage changed recently) and people are being given jobs as coaches to go into stores and train the staff on said routines, wonder how much all this rubbish is costing. Jacks will no doubt be the same within a year, a good simple format to start with gets ruined by overpaid head office project managers that add nothing to the business.

I have been on holiday for the last 4 weeks , And have only heard about the new stock control that is coming in and that they will be sending out coaches to show stores how it works , also from what I have heard from the test stores the new way is better ,
But I have not heard about Replenishment routines  ??? so are you sure what you are saying is correct ?

What new stock control routine is this? Any details on what's happening or when?
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: patty1 on 09-08-18, 11:49PM
That's probably the combination of the low line and gap scan functions. Not exactly relevant to a discussion about store closures 😩
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: Nomad on 10-08-18, 09:15AM
patty1, how right you are.  Can we keep the thread on the subject of 'Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores', please.
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: renault1 on 10-08-18, 11:56PM
Metro, Express, Extra, Superstore, etc

I never look, I just go into a shop  :)
i never iook, i just drive past on the way to aldi :thumbup: 8-)
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: PETE_M on 14-08-18, 06:30PM
Do we know of any that are already being converted?

I believe work has started on the Liverpool Edge Lane store, Ive heard it has closed and the signs are down...
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: PETE_M on 14-08-18, 06:40PM
At the end of the day a lot of people are losing their jobs and there are a lot of p***ed off customers!

They would be even more p***ed off if it closed completely. This conversion isn't just about taking on Aldi and Lidl. It's about trying to find a format for these stores that makes money. Sadly many of these stores are barely profitable and they would never make enough money to recoup any investment made in refitting them, so they would just get more and more run down until they eventually closed.

This isn't a unique-to-Tesco problem, this size of store isn't suited to a proper middle-of-the-road supermarket, it's neither a proper superstore so doesn't have the range or economy of scale, or a convenience store. It's why Somerfield suffered, over half of Asda's former Netto 'supermarkets' lose money and Sainsbury's never really rolled out its 'central' format. Works fine though you can find a niche, like where you overcharge people to cover the costs of this type of store *cough* Waitrose *cough*, charge more and have no local competition *cough* co-op *cough*  or strip it out as a discounter....
Title: Re: Store Closures - New "Discount" Stores
Post by: GreenGrocer on 15-08-18, 08:31AM
Pete you have a terrible cough perhaps you should go off on the sick.