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Title: Disciplinary
Post by: balthazar on 31-07-18, 09:47AM
I’ve recently had a investigation and it’s been sent to disciplinary next week,The accusations are for my behaviour towards staff. As part of the evidence they are using some one to ones I’ve had,in my meeting I questioned the number they put was more than I was aware of having and they said some were verbal and the rest documented on a let’s talk, I’ve come back and looked at my copies and only one was negative, the others were positive. Can I still ask to see what they’re using as evidence and can they refuse?

I’ve got copies of statements given against me and one person has given a completely different version of events for a conversation we had, can I bring this up in my disciplinary? I’ve also never been asked to give my version in writing.
Plus my SM has agreed the three complainers were partly at fault for the situation but nowhere in their statements do they admit to this and place all the blame on me. Again can I bring this up?
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: terra on 31-07-18, 01:39PM
You are allowed to have a copy of all of the evidence prior to the disciplinary (except cctv footage)
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: lucgeo on 31-07-18, 06:57PM
Are you saying you can't see the CCTV footage prior to disciplinary, or you can't have a copy ??? ???
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: StoreTL on 31-07-18, 10:55PM
If you read the post it clearly states you can’t have a copy of it.
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: terra on 01-08-18, 06:29AM
You are allowed to see it but not have a copy. I would have thought they would have shown you it during the investigation
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: gomezz on 01-08-18, 06:13PM
Without being given a copy of it how can you can check or have checked by your own expert that it has not been tampered with?
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: GreenGrocer on 01-08-18, 06:24PM
Disciplinary  ;D
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: StoreTL on 01-08-18, 09:43PM
Without being given a copy of it how can you can check or have checked by your own expert that it has not been tampered with?

If you think that any manager or member of staff at Tesco would tamper with CCTV then you should take off your foil hat.
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: helpme on 02-08-18, 01:15AM
Some lie and cheat to gain brownie points to make themselves look good to senior team and don't give a fig about staff. So tampering with CCTV isn't as far fetched as you may think!
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: lackofinterest on 02-08-18, 02:04AM
not far fetched at all! in fact it wouldnt surprise me in the least!
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: Mr Grumpy on 02-08-18, 08:33AM
Without being given a copy of it how can you can check or have checked by your own expert that it has not been tampered with?

If you think that any manager or member of staff at Tesco would tamper with CCTV then you should take off your foil hat.

In the just over  3 decades I worked for the big T, what I seen and heard in local stores would shock you as to what a sinking manager will do to save their own position......
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: lucgeo on 02-08-18, 04:07PM
If you read the post it clearly states you can’t have a copy of it.

And if you read my post, it clearly states that I asked "CAN'T SEE OR CAN'T HAVE" of which terra clearly understood and replied accordingly
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: lucgeo on 02-08-18, 04:12PM
Without being given a copy of it how can you can check or have checked by your own expert that it has not been tampered with?

Gomez
The CCTV disc doesn't  play on other machines, I know as I was GIVEN a copy for a disciplinary I was repping.

If you think that any manager or member of staff at Tesco would tamper with CCTV then you should take off your foil hat.

And perhaps you, your rose tinted glasses ???
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: Tornado on 03-08-18, 10:01AM
Without being given a copy of it how can you can check or have checked by your own expert that it has not been tampered with?

If you think that any manager or member of staff at Tesco would tamper with CCTV then you should take off your foil hat.

In the just over  3 decades I worked for the big T, what I seen and heard in local stores would shock you as to what a sinking manager will do to save their own position......
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: you are completely right, Tesco have no idea to what has been done for so long and keep going inside doors. From SMs to respectable  and serious ( :D) people  above them giving cover to I would call criminal actions with help of  some contractors including security ( not all as there are honest people ) I am still questioning myself  how is it possible that such high level of arrogance, blindness and stupidity be in charge of this company for so long ?
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: Tornado on 03-08-18, 10:10AM
Without being given a copy of it how can you can check or have checked by your own expert that it has not been tampered with?

Gomez
The CCTV disc doesn't  play on other machines, I know as I was GIVEN a copy for a disciplinary I was repping.

If you think that any manager or member of staff at Tesco would tamper with CCTV then you should take off your foil hat.
are you a manager or a privileged member of staff ?

And perhaps you, your rose tinted glasses ???
  :D :D :D.....  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: Blondie on 14-09-18, 11:08PM
I'm late to the party here, but Let's Talk notes are not allowed to be used as evidence because they are unofficial. Unless there's some sort of loophole for if you actually signed them, in which case my response is to face-palm on your behalf.

Seriously, if somebody ever tries to pull a Let's Talk sheet on you and say that it proves anything other than that somebody employed by Tesco knows how to design a nice sheet on Wordart, tell them that the meeting never happened and watch their reaction. I guarantee it'll give you a good laugh. Those notes aren't worth the paper that they're written on.
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: Rad on 15-09-18, 06:18AM
Of course they can be used. 
So much helpful contribution on here but you have to filter out some of it.
A quick example are for till shorts. 
Let's talks protect staff from trigger happy managers.
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: Blondie on 16-09-18, 01:27AM
Maybe the indication that a Let's Talk happened can be useful, but the conversation itself cannot. They're casual one on one meetings and nothing more.
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: Miss Piggy on 04-12-18, 12:01AM
I’ve recently had a investigation and it’s been sent to disciplinary next week,The accusations are for my behaviour towards staff. As part of the evidence they are using some one to ones I’ve had,in my meeting I questioned the number they put was more than I was aware of having and they said some were verbal and the rest documented on a let’s talk, I’ve come back and looked at my copies and only one was negative, the others were positive. Can I still ask to see what they’re using as evidence and can they refuse?

I’ve got copies of statements given against me and one person has given a completely different version of events for a conversation we had, can I bring this up in my disciplinary? I’ve also never been asked to give my version in writing.
Plus my SM has agreed the three complainers were partly at fault for the situation but nowhere in their statements do they admit to this and place all the blame on me. Again can I bring this up?

Sounds like a bodge job of an investigation to me, well worthy of an appeal.
Title: Re: Disciplinary
Post by: Chojac2412 on 05-12-18, 07:25AM
The "Lets Talk" forms can be good but I have known of a manager who never sits down to talk to colleagues without using them. It's only to document that a conversation has taken place but then the whole thing without signatures could make it invalid anyway. They are not always for bad and can be used for positive things but what is wrong with an open and honest two way conversation. The forms need to be revised, as they don't require signatures they could be written out without a conversation even taking place.