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Title: Holidays in December
Post by: dfl on 19-06-18, 06:15PM
Manager in a store I know of is refusing to authorise any holidays in December, now whilst I believe policies make it clear that they can be restricted surely a blanket ban isn't right. Can anyone throw in their comments and point to anywhere in Tesco's policies which say there is NO holidays can be booked then, and also how best to progress, is greivance etc.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: Thevamps on 19-06-18, 06:38PM
Lots of staff have holidays in December in my store form the first week  in Dec to personal days and bank Hol days tagged on at Christmas clearly not company policy or all stores would be the same.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: Life after tossco on 19-06-18, 08:18PM
This was the Same in my store and imposed by complete tossers for management. The only thing I can suggest is what I did and many others and that was to go sick! Tesco never wins!

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Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: notsofunny on 19-06-18, 08:50PM

Life after Tesco  >:(

Your comment is not called for   >:( >:(

Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: captain on 19-06-18, 10:03PM
Surely that depends what department you work on.

I can fully understand grocery, non food and replenishment team not being allowed holidays in December as turnover on those departments increase week on week in December.

However if you work fresh then customers don't buy until it says best before after December 25th so I can see no reason at all why these departments can't have time off up to, say, the 15th December
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: dfl on 19-06-18, 10:27PM
DOTCOM I think it was
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: rayinski on 19-06-18, 10:37PM
I always have a week off in December.  When I moved to my current store my department manager said that holidays were not permitted in December other that the personal day I pointed out to her that the personal day can be taken any time of year and I asked her to show me the policy stating otherwise or let me have the week off. As there is no policy I got the week off and take my personal day at a time that suits me.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: Jethro on 19-06-18, 10:57PM
Phone in sick and use your holidays another time, jobs a good un
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: m360 on 20-06-18, 12:15AM
Not so great advice if the person doesn’t get paid for the first three days, leaving their pre-Christmas pay short.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: spike_pkh on 20-06-18, 12:19AM
I love how people on here complain about having to work hard due to staff cuts, complain about premium cuts and reducing hours and then tell people to lie and phone in sick.

Do people not realise that the company is reducing costs to save money and it is reasons like people being paid for time off sick when they aren't that necessitate this.

If you believe you should be allowed the time off then grievance it to higher management and/or speak to union rep.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: Welshie on 20-06-18, 02:11AM
@captain
Our store must be very different then because fresh replenishment is murder for weeks before Xmas.  People have pre Xmas parties , cook things and freeze them or just buy stuff to freeze so they can spread the cost . Some things don't change much like yoghurts but apart from that's it's hell on earth like most retail in December.
Although areas like srm and pi I believe have a lighter workload , I can't see Tesco getting away with saying those departments can have hols but replen, check outs or phone shop  staff can't.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: dfl on 20-06-18, 06:24AM
I know a lot of questions on here can get emotive and emotional responses, and I thank you to everyone who responds, but is there anyone who can answer the original question or has experience of this and has been able to prove that policies on the whole surmount to being "not a blanket ban"
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: Jethro on 20-06-18, 07:47AM
The store manager is being totally unreasonable, by refusing holidays in December, work a few overtime shifts, get your money in then phone in sick, it's what they deserve with their unreasonable behaviour.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: tumshie on 20-06-18, 09:47AM
Ask the manager to show you the policy that says they can impose this ban.

Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: Loki on 20-06-18, 10:13AM
I know a lot of questions on here can get emotive and emotional responses, and I thank you to everyone who responds, but is there anyone who can answer the original question or has experience of this and has been able to prove that policies on the whole surmount to being "not a blanket ban"

The holiday policy states:

Some departments and functions will restrict holiday according to the time of the year, for example, stores and distribution over the Christmas period.

Usdaw States:

Holidays need to be agreed between the individual and their Manager. In most cases we would expect holiday requests to be authorised. However, requests can be turned down if there isn’t adequate cover in the department. In this case we suggest alternative dates are agreed to make sure the individual takes their full holiday entitlement.

There are no ‘holiday freeze’ periods in Tesco, ie days when nobody will be allowed to take a holiday.

Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: lucgeo on 20-06-18, 03:04PM
Oh Jethro

Colleagues that do as you advise, are extremely unpopular in my store, and rightly so. It's a busy time for all, we've all got families, preparations etc....and the skivers who go off sick, to get a crafty holiday in, just dump a load more work on their dept colleagues!! On one occasion a manager was having a go at our team, as the workload was behind...I told him to have a go at the skivers who called in sick, and not at the mugs who turned up!! Fair play, he apologised, and bought us all a brekkie :)
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: Jethro on 20-06-18, 03:29PM
When someone continually screws you over like tesco are doing to many of their staff with things like cutting Sunday premiums, the skills payment, the allocation of holidays etc then you are in your rights to screw them over, do you not think ?
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: Loki on 20-06-18, 04:05PM
Treat employees with disdain then the conscientious worker will evaporate.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: Equalizer87 on 20-06-18, 04:17PM
Treat others as you wish to be treated. If you get treated like c**p, treat that same individual/group in kind.

It's disgraceful how some management  in Tesco treat their staff, they shouldn't be surprised when the sentiment is to return the favour.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: Nomad on 20-06-18, 05:30PM
We are going off topic but, do onto others as they do unto you.

December holiday, anyone ?
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: hot_chick on 20-06-18, 09:10PM
I've never had a problem having holidays in December, I've actually had Xmas off a number of times.  I put a letter and holiday form in to my manager and store manager every time.  I have yet to be refused!  There are no freeze weeks and if the line manager or even store manager said otherwise then that's when you need to go to union( not that I'm a big fan) and push the issue.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: dfl on 20-06-18, 11:39PM
Well a few weeks ago I saw our holiday book and December had no one off but the pages were all scored out
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: hot_chick on 21-06-18, 07:12AM
This is from our tesco.....

Your holiday dates need to be agreed with your manager who will need to take the whole department’s holiday requests into account.  You need to request holiday using the holiday request form or online tool as appropriate in your area of the business.
 
Generally holiday is agreed on a first come, first served basis, taking department needs and when the request has been made into consideration. To avoid disappointment, make sure you give as much notice as possible.  Please give a minimum of four weeks’ notice in writing, using the
process defined in your team, although if your manager agrees, you don’t have to.

In stores, your manager must respond to your request within seven days or you can assume that your request has been authorised.  As a guideline, 75% of your holiday and bank holiday should be taken between 1st April and 31st October, with the balance being taken between 1st November and 31st
March.

**Some departments and functions will restrict holiday according to the time of the year, for example, stores and
distribution over the Christmas period. **

It’s your responsibility to make sure you have booked and taken all of your holiday within the holiday year so that you
don’t lose out.  In stores your manager will hold a holiday review meeting with you to help you plan your holiday for the year. As a
last resort, your manager may allocate holidays if you haven’t booked them.  If you are a new starter in stores you are restricted from taking more than 25% of your holiday in your first three months of service.

What if I need more time off than my holiday allowance?  There are a number of options to support you if you want to take more leave:
Extended holiday leave, you can request up to four additional weeks’ unpaid leave so long as you have at least one year’s service. You need to give at least four weeks’ notice to your manager and you can have one period of extended leave every two years.

So as above they can restrict holidays but there are no freeze weeks. If your manager has said no then there needs to be a reason why. Is there another staff member off?   
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: dfl on 21-06-18, 08:48AM
There was no staff members off the pages for December were completely scored out, it says that in my last post.

Thanks for all your replies so far folks.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: tumshie on 21-06-18, 12:49PM
I guess the dept manager could say they have assessed the December workload for their department along with the staffing level needed and have determined that they cannot give anyone holiday during that time.

Going by the info quoted by Loki and hot_chick, the manager would be within their rights to say that.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: hot_chick on 21-06-18, 01:25PM
Sorry but u said "in a store u know of" so i was not sure if u have requested holidays or was posting on behalf of someone else!  And then u go on to say "u saw the holiday book"..

 So my question is have u followed the correct process? Put a holiday form in to your manager and if needed a letter to your store mamanger? If answer is yes then what was the reason for a refusal?
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: helpme on 21-06-18, 02:57PM
The company is reducing costs not to save money but to increase profit for shareholders. If they honestly cared about their staff they would reduce dividend and up staff numbers and pay.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: Samantha on 21-06-18, 03:18PM
Maybe off topic but is it really in Tesco policy to rotate managers every 2 years to avoid them being biased and favour their own? Because some get the exact dates of holidays they request whilst some don't.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: lucgeo on 21-06-18, 03:32PM
You'll often see a holiday book with " no holidays" and scored out for the month of December, usually checkouts. These are scored out at the beginning of the holiday window bookings, usually Feb.
I have occasionally had Christmas week off, because I have asked for it early in the year, my manager has never quoted the no December holiday ban. Once or twice I have been refused, as based on store % of December holidays, rather than dept %, which is fair enough, somebody else's turn.
If the holiday diary has it all scored out, then you need to put in a request to your manager, and then ask them to write down the reason for the refusal?? 
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: tumshie on 21-06-18, 03:33PM
Staff numbers have increased greatly in our store, since getting a new SM. So maybe some of the staff shortages are caused by SM poor decisions.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: dfl on 21-06-18, 06:14PM
Which would be in effect a blanket ban which according to a post on here isn't what USDAW says
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: londoner83 on 21-06-18, 06:58PM
Holidays can be given over the Xmas period however it is the busiest and most profitable time of the year and working in retail it is unrealistic to expect every holiday request to be granted.

However people in my store have been given holidays to travel home for Xmas (both in UK/Europe or worldwide) and for a long serving employee to spend Xmas in a hotel. Also aware of leave given to help with childcare.  Good managers know their staff and will accommodate their requests where possible. Happy staff = high morale/better performance.

Some employees do however take the p and try and request 2 weeks off every Xmas. Its vital when saying no they understand why and perhaps come to the realisation retail isn't for them if they repeatedly want to take leave when we are at our busiest.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: dfl on 21-06-18, 08:43PM
All true but to my knowledge in this case whether it can be given/covered isn't even coming into the equation, it's all scored out !
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: Dorothy C on 22-06-18, 05:47AM
Phone in sick and use your holidays another time, jobs a good un


 ;D :thumbup:
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: hot_chick on 22-06-18, 12:19PM
 So have you or  anyone even requested holidays for December?

If not does it matter if the holiday book has lines through December? As I'm not sure about your store  but in mine we don't actually see the holiday book!
Now if I had a request and it was turned down, then I would ask to see it to back up the manager saying no!  Other than that I'm not interested in lines or no lines in the managers holiday book!!
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: GreenGrocer on 22-06-18, 12:32PM
Good staff know how to play the tosco management and understand they can back them into a corner and get any date off during the busy times.  :)
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: RubyRed on 23-06-18, 10:40PM
We choose to work in retail and unfortunately with that comes busy times of year when the business would need less holiday days to be taken. It is a choice . . . .
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: claden on 23-06-18, 10:48PM
I always take the week off after Christmas because I'm old and Christmas week is bloody hard work. This year my manager tried to tell me I couldn't have 30th December off because it was 'blocked' I asked to be shown in Tesco holiday policyvwhere it says there are certain days we can't off. He came back to me a week later with a signed holiday form. There is nowhere in the policy that says any days, weeks or months are blocked. Manager was a bit nieve all he had to do was tell me too many people were already off and I wouldn't really have been able to do much lol
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: GreenGrocer on 24-06-18, 07:30PM
Managers putting a blanket ban on holidays in December aren’t managing the place correctly. This is when externals should be called to support to keep the regular employees happy.  :)
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: dfl on 24-06-18, 07:48PM
To answer hot_chick, I've seen a picture that the person took of the holiday book, and yes they had actually submitted a request for 1DAY off and it was turned down, no reason given on the return slip just a NO.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: Duracell on 24-06-18, 08:54PM
Managers putting a blanket ban on holidays in December aren’t managing the place correctly. This is when externals should be called to support to keep the regular employees happy.  :)

Yes! As has been said here and elsewhere, policy says and endorsed by USDAW communication, there is NO banned period/s, there may be restrictions, which in the context of the policy statement suggests, by the Book, no exceptions.
Which doesn’t mean you can’t have that holiday because it Falls in December or Or Easter, such statements, and understanding are a Nonsense to Policy, to Persue such a Nonsense is misconduct, to Persue in the light of the correct Policy is Gross misconduct.

You really have to term your distain in the apporiate manner, to contradict Policy is miss-conduct to then be informed of policy and continually contradict it, is GROSS MISCONDUCT, spell it out for them and watch them go a slighter shade of pale.

ANY staff member that knowingly contradicts policy is guilty of Gross Misconduct, spell it out for them and assertively imply YOU are more than happy to follow a Grievance of such disregard through to the end.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: hot_chick on 25-06-18, 11:07AM
If i was given a no for a holiday request then i  would be asking for a reason. The person who has a a no jeeds to ask for the reason and then they can challange if they dont think they are been treated fair!   I was actually refused a one day holiday request just for the reason it was a 5 star weekend! Even though there wasnt anyone else off! I challanged it and i had my holiday!

Staff need to stand up to managers and not just simply take what they say as being right!  Challange them and ask them to produce the evidence to back up their claim.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: Spongbob on 25-06-18, 08:46PM
Trying too get a holiday requests for is impossible trying too get a manager too look in the book is a no no  too busy see me later and getting told were omly allowed 2 point 6 people off in onw shift is a joke  but if your in the right smokers group you have a great chance 
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: BossHog89 on 02-07-18, 11:46AM
Had the same policy in my store. We were all told absolutely not possible for holidays in December. Then a few of the colleagues for whom the rules never seemed to apply were allowed time off by management. There's no policy but all holidays are approved at the store managers discretion anyway.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: forrestgimp on 03-07-18, 09:10PM
I know a lot of questions on here can get emotive and emotional responses, and I thank you to everyone who responds, but is there anyone who can answer the original question or has experience of this and has been able to prove that policies on the whole surmount to being "not a blanket ban"

There has never been any freeze weeks for holidays there is a budget for December its lower than summer but its there non the less and to have a request declined simply because its December goes against policy.  I would first ask why its been turned down get them to say its due to the time of year then grievance it.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: DairyLee on 03-07-18, 09:40PM
Most holiday budgets from December are only around 5%. For many stores just the colleagues taking Christmas day and Boxing day as holidays will use this entire budget. Simplify the numbers assume same staffing for all 7 days.  Just 2 days out of 31= 6%. It's only 2 days but with almost all colleagues in store using a holiday for these 2 days there simply isn't much left to pay for more holidays. For every week off someone wants 5 other colleagues that need to not use a holiday on these 2 days. 

It's a massive simplification but easy to see how some stores cannot accommodate many holidays in December.
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: londoner83 on 03-07-18, 10:23PM
Christmas Day and Boxing Day are Bank Holidays which have a separate budget. Yes holiday in December is limited but there should be a limited amount available
Title: Re: Holidays in December
Post by: GreenGrocer on 03-07-18, 10:40PM
Who cares about budgets not the management anyway looking at the overinflated wages they command.