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Title: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Gr on 11-03-18, 12:44PM
Hi I asked for a night off and was told I can't have it as there is already 1 person off even although there is 2 people off this coming Sat*rday. I thought it was 2 for each shift but it seems it's however the manager feels now.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: lordadmiral on 11-03-18, 01:31PM
Its store specific. 1-2 ppl off per department. Or 4 ppl per whole store etc...
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Gr on 11-03-18, 02:11PM
OK thanks she's just being awkward if I'm honest.

There is also a married couple and they get the same holidays off all the time.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Welshie on 11-03-18, 02:41PM
Maybe they put their holidays in for the year the day the holiday booking window opens !once the holiday window opens everyone can put a form in , I imagine if you're a married couple working in the same store you have no choice but to do this . That would mean having to think about what time off you want over a year in advance not ideal for anyone but probably the only way they can get time off together . If it bothers you that much put your holiday form in the day booking opens .
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Gr on 11-03-18, 03:37PM
So different rules for different people?
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: madness on 11-03-18, 06:14PM
That depends massively on your store size and which department. As to controller probably one at a time, dot com picker 2-3 probably fine. Checkouts maybe even 4 or more at  a time. I tell my guys and girls I can handle 2 off at a time if the others are willing to pick up the overtime to over it. Others cover it no problem as they know that by being flexible they will more likely get holidays they want off or random days off. Certain days the manager may say no to any holidays, bakery on pancake day, produce on valentines day etc.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: lucgeo on 11-03-18, 06:27PM
Eh??? You are given overtime to cover holiday absence  ??? Seriously  ??? That would be the day in my store!!
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: madness on 11-03-18, 06:36PM
Apart the the more frequent ban on overtime weeks (which I now have a note of for future holiday planning) Then yes I usually get overtime to cover holidays.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: lucgeo on 11-03-18, 07:11PM
Conversation with my manager.

Manager..... Lucgeo,"Fred's" off on holiday this week, so can you make sure you cover his department.
Lucgeo....err....I thought holidays should be covered by overtime??
Manager.....aye in an ideal world..you know this, I know this.....overtime ban by SM/CM

Had the same conversation for the last 10 years+

Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: mexicopete on 11-03-18, 07:41PM
@lucgeo they said that about the overtime ban in our Dot.com and the pickers and drivers basically told them to F. off if they were not willing to pay them overtime( they were offered time in lieu) it's amazing how quickly MM found overtime budget. It's happened a couple of times in our store. :) :)
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: captain on 11-03-18, 08:18PM
Conversation with my manager.

Manager..... Lucgeo,"Fred's" off on holiday this week, so can you make sure you cover his department.
Lucgeo....err....I thought holidays should be covered by overtime??
Manager.....aye in an ideal world..you know this, I know this.....overtime ban by SM/CM

Had the same conversation for the last 10 years+

Its either that or "your department is over hours"

(edited to remove comment from quote)
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: lucgeo on 11-03-18, 08:42PM
Our dept. Is under hours ???
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: optout on 11-03-18, 08:46PM
Sounds like somebody in your store is going for a Blue. I wonder who that would be?
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Equalizer87 on 11-03-18, 09:38PM
Overtime ban = Group over budget, SM trying to make their name and get a blue. It's currently happening in my former store and they have lost serious numbers of staff that aren't being covered with overtime.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: notsofunny on 11-03-18, 10:10PM
So different rules for different people?

What would you do if you had been placed in charge and had a married couple wanting the same holidays ?
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: OvaSees on 12-03-18, 06:33AM
Overtime ban = Group over budget, SM trying to make their name and get a blue. It's currently happening in my former store and they have lost serious numbers of staff that aren't being covered with overtime.
Since there will be the usual annual squeeze on everything to make sure the numbers are right as we are at year-end... which is because the business must therefore be under performing against expectation and has not budgeted correctly - if you're squeezing payroll now you haven't managed it properly all year, so the panic now is to ensure people get bonuses.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Weed on 12-03-18, 10:18AM
We are meant to have X number on shift so that determines how many are allowed off per shift. This number has been asking the impossible. Tesco keep recruiting university students not prepared to flex up hours at certain points of the year. Those who have been in the company for years only want to drop shifts. Then you have sickness and a few days snow which screws the place up. The place is on its arse it's that simple. It was busy in our store for mothers day/easter all week and shelf were never filled. Our TMs are constantly telling us there are more staff being recruited. More people working 1/2/3 day who don't give a damn, more people who wont be trained, more people who will leave after a few months due to finding a better role or not liking/needed the job. The TMs in my place admit to not giving a f*** what the store looks like at shift end.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Gr on 12-03-18, 05:33PM
Well it’s just s*** that two people are sometimes aloud allowed off at other times. Anyway hopefully I won’t be there much longer.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: lucgeo on 12-03-18, 06:15PM
Well no it's not fair if a married couple are allowed off at the same time, from the same department, and individuals are told no, only ONE person off??

If that is the only reason the manager is giving, and not due to long term sick, busy trading season etc....then you are indeed being treated unfairly.

Did the married couple join the department at the same time?? Where they given the positions on the understanding that they would be granted the same time off?? If they weren't and they have nothing in writing...then you are being treated unfairly and the manager is not being consistent in allocation.

It's either two in the department off at the same time or not ??? This is why I have never liked families working in the same store, and at one time were not allowed to work in the same department. And yours is a prime example of why.



Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Equalizer87 on 12-03-18, 07:35PM
Overtime ban = Group over budget, SM trying to make their name and get a blue. It's currently happening in my former store and they have lost serious numbers of staff that aren't being covered with overtime.
Since there will be the usual annual squeeze on everything to make sure the numbers are right as we are at year-end... which is because the business must therefore be under performing against expectation and has not budgeted correctly - if you're squeezing payroll now you haven't managed it properly all year, so the panic now is to ensure people get bonuses.

Completely agree, though I cannot say I've seen competent budget management from Tesco managers in any store I've worked in.

Yes, it's a tell tale sign of under performance from the business, several credit agencies indicating this budget control as an offset to poor performance
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: madness on 12-03-18, 08:25PM
Every manager is pretty good at spacing out hols in our store. It is the random and sudden overtime bans that screw us up. Not even the store managers fault we know it comes from above. Madness to bang on about service and standards all the time though it gets forgotten about when the company wants to save money.

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Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Equalizer87 on 12-03-18, 11:19PM
@ madness

And you know every manager in the business???

Yes random bans screw everything  up, just as much as poor planning and lack of cover due to bad rostering.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: londoner83 on 13-03-18, 07:48AM
The Jan-April overtime ban can hardly be classed as random......its been a yearly occurance as regular as clockwork thru every one of my years in the company.

TMs need to get smart and book as many holidays as possible in periods when they will be a OT budget
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Weed on 13-03-18, 11:27AM
The overtime ban happens every year in my store too. The TMs would tell you it was on and a few hours later you would be asked to do overtime. The ban is getting longer every year. They just let the stock build up in the warehouse now and sit for days not worked. My store has poor holiday scheduling. If you are mates with management you will get what you want regardless of how many are already off. No one in my place is interested in overtime already contracted for enough shift or focusing on University commitments to leave Tesco.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Equalizer87 on 13-03-18, 01:27PM
The Jan-April overtime ban can hardly be classed as random......its been a yearly occurance as regular as clockwork thru every one of my years in the company.

TMs need to get smart and book as many holidays as possible in periods when they will be a OT budget
there are plenty of random bans where SM'S decide they want to make a name fir themselves and save on the budget.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: RubyRed on 15-03-18, 01:54PM
The holiday works on a percentage of a departments hours, not the number of people.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: lucgeo on 15-03-18, 07:08PM
Yes it does....however I've never known any dept manager adhere to it religiously. If I was on the dept...where a married couple were continuously getting in and booking up well ahead before everyone else.....obviously making the % limited for others on the dept., I would be questioning why??

The 1st come 1st served rule doesn't come into it, as far as I'm concerned, all this bulls*** that because their married, they NEED the same time off together  ???

If they worked different depts. then they'd have to arrange time off together, with no guarantee. Though the way tesco is run these days...I've known departments with colleagues, whose other halves work in different depts or even stores, having rota's changed to accommodate the others time off! One colleagues other half's rota was actually penned in to their dept rota, and the other colleagues rota's were planned around it :-X :-X
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Welshie on 16-03-18, 05:03PM
@Lucego
Why does the first come first served rule not apply to a married couple if it's within the percentage.  It's a much more honest way to book your hols , there's several married couples in our store most get in early to make sure they can get a holiday but one couple doesn't bother and when one is on hols the other phones in sick , not every time but enough for it to be obvious to everyone but the managers . Better to take hols than leave your department f##ked in my opinion .
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: lucgeo on 16-03-18, 07:00PM
Because it p**ses me off, that's why!! Because couples should never be allowed to work on the same dept....it was the old rules of tesco that should have remained IMHO!!

They get sick....they're both off....family emergency....they're both off....family bereavement, etc...etc...divorcing or family disputes affects the whole team....they are not employed as a tag team, but as individuals, yet what affects one, affects t'other and the whole department colleagues have to suffer or pick up the flak :-X :-X

It's not just about holiday %, its about all the other baggage that comes with it. Ohh and the issue of having to watch what you say, as they gang up if you dare make the slightest comment about one of them  :-X :-X
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Rad on 17-03-18, 12:01PM
Any store ive worked in where a couple work in the same department they take their summer holidays together and the rest separately.  If its going to cause an issue getting most of them at the same time.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: cosmosmallpiece on 17-03-18, 01:14PM
It all boils down to being on the ball get all your holidays in on the first of April even if it means going in to store to do it.
It's not the fault of the couples if they get it first. Just a bit of planning needed.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: lucgeo on 17-03-18, 04:57PM
But in this case it would seem that the couple are being given preferential treatment, whereby the manager is allowing two off at one time, because they are a couple, then refusing another colleague's holiday request, based solely that another colleague has already booked and two people are not allowed holiday at the same time on the dept  ??? ???
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Welshie on 17-03-18, 08:27PM
In this case it could come down to percentage of hours , at certain times of year the percentage of hours allowed off is higher , in summer for example and in the likes of December percentage is much lower .
As for bereavement etc , we have whole famlies work in our shop , groups of sisters , mother and children , its unfortunate if a family emergency happens but thats life
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Weed on 17-03-18, 08:41PM
Percentage high or low  ;D

You are making this sounds like Tesco have some sort of winning formula.

Why are cages lying for over 24 hours without being looked at then.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: lucgeo on 17-03-18, 09:12PM
Ok now sounding like social services in tesco  :-X :-X

Yes, family emergencies happen....but the knock on effect is spread throughout the store...not confined to one dept.... Again agree % higher differing times of the year..but two people constantly book in the same weeks throughout the year somewhat restricts the rest of dept colleagues choices...if the % ratio is the managers reason why not explain it to colleague instead of a flat refusal?? " open and honest??"  :-X :-X
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Kingkong2015 on 17-03-18, 10:37PM
Time for a grievance I think! At least then it’ll be recorded and you should get an explanation!
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Welshie on 18-03-18, 12:19AM
Open and honest 😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Equalizer87 on 18-03-18, 12:14PM
You'll get the same 'textbook' answer as always.
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: madness on 18-03-18, 01:00PM
Why would you have a married couple on the same department it just shouldn't be allowed. 
Title: Re: How many people are allowed a holiday per shift?
Post by: Equalizer87 on 18-03-18, 01:46PM
This is Tesco your talking about, rules are more like guidelines that aren't taken seriously.